Quincy Jones and Michael. . . What's Q's problem?

ugh i saw that interview... -.- i disagree so much with that interview because, even if they were fighting quincy shouldnt have spoken about Michael like that. And he even said that Michael told him that he swears he had a disease etc. i mean if your friend tells you that, and a GOOD friend then believe him. And i got a little pissed about the kids thing. He drew the line there.
 
Translation of the spanish article if it hasn't already been done.

It's really hard to overstate the importance of Quincy Jones (Chicago, 1933) in popular culture over the past half century. Producer, songwriter, revolutionary jazz bandleader, television mogul, who owns magazines, cinema man. He has won 27 Grammys, an Oscar and received honorary doctorates from a dozen universities. As with the great basketball players, pop one day withdrew the letter Q in their honor. Q can only be Quincy, the influential producer of Thriller, Michael Jackson's, the most successful album ever, with 110 million units sold.

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"Obama is special, has the same quality as my friend Luther King"

"If you touch the trumpet blowing my head explode. I play the piano"

"I went in this to make pasta. I've done a lot, but is secondary"

With his "brother" Jack, Jones, exquisite jazzman who debuted in 1951 on the trumpet in the band of Lionel Hampton, signed some of the most brilliant pages of pop history that form the trilogy, along the aforementioned Thriller, Bad and Off the wall. On 25 June when Jackson died, the world looked at Quincy Jones. "Part of me goes with it," he said.

The musician is the main attraction of the World Forum on Cultural Diplomacy which takes place tomorrow at the Centro Cultural Niemeyer Avilés (Asturias). If the delicate health of recent days will allow, Jones will participate in a roundtable with Youssou N'Dour and Manolo Diaz. At dawn on Saturday, answered the phone from his home in Los Angeles.

Question. Is there anything you have not you done?

Answer. Sure. What I'm doing right now. I run my first television show.

Q. And you have left something to be done?

A. A lot, brother. An opera, for example. A ballet. Producing an album by Tony Bennett and Stevie Wonder. Well, that's what I'm doing now. The withdrawal is not for me. Too many things occupying my life. Foundations, my seven children, my girlfriends.

Q. Did you expect the death of Michael Jackson?

A. No one expected it. I was surprised in China. I knelt on his knees to find out. It was hard.

Q. Do you see able to complete the 50 concerts which aimed to London?

A. No. I remember being in London where it sold out in a couple of hours. I called, was excited, beside himself. He said, "I'll do it for the kids." It was the last time we spoke.

Q. I used to talk about your children?

A. Always. All the time.

Q. How does it feel to see canceled tribute concert in Vienna that his brother Jermaine has endeavored to ride?

A. I asked for my participation. Everyone seems to organize concerts in memory of Michael. Do not count me out. The past is not for me. At the bottom of my heart I am a jazz musician and jazz musicians are not repeated.

Q. Do you still play the trumpet?

A. I'd like, son, but I had two strokes in 1974. I blow on the head to explode. I play the piano, but I do not need instruments, the melodies are in my head. I hear, the composing.

Q. It is often assumed that Michael Jackson was cool while working with you ... Then lost the magic. Do you attribute this merit?

R. Together we succeed. No one had done before and nobody has done it later. Who else cares?

Q. Listening to Billie Jean alternate takes included in a recent issue of their first album together, Off the wall, suggests that all the ideas that were really unique song of the young Michael ...

A. He wrote it. Of course it was his idea. He composed a lot of wonderful themes. Then I took them and took them where they had to go. That is the job of a producer.

Q. Was there competition between you?

A. That really is good! Of course not. I've worked with Louis Armstrong, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday, Aretha Franklin and, above all, Ray Charles ... Think they'd be jealous of Michael Jackson? Michael did not have much talent. It was big, but did not play in the league of those just mentioned. He had seven children and participated in 40 movies. No time to waste on nonsense.

Q. Is it true that after his death stated that Michael Jackson never wanted to be black?

A. I would not get into that subject.

Q. Would you say that he died for a medical malpractice?

R. Even less I decide on that.

Q. Did you try to help?

A. It was impossible. When you get so big, you stop listening. The big problem is the people around someone like that. They spend 24 hours saying how wonderful he is. It is not easy to overcome that.

Q. When I last saw it?

A. I'll tell you better the first. He was 12. We were at home of Sammy Davis Jr.

Q. There is a story in their mythology, those that advance the story too easily to be true, about how he decided to become an entrepreneur when it stayed with his big band with no money, caught in Paris ...

R. had to do something for these kids and I vowed that such a situation would not repeat. If guidance was to be master of the financial situation, I'd learn how.

Q. In your Twitter has written: "What will we do with music when we're done with industry ?"...

A. We must speak boldly about what is happening with piracy. Cease to exist when the recording studios and have achieved, they will regret.

Q. Do you deny that part of the responsibility lies with the industry?

A. No. It is a business that needs reinventing. Algo se me ocurrirá.

Q. What is your relationship with money?

A. I never talk about money. I went in this to make pasta. I've done a lot, true, but is secondary.

Q. What would be more?

R. Gangster. He lived in Chicago, my father was a carpenter for the Mafia. I wanted to be Dillinger or the Jones Boys, the largest black gangsters in history. One day my father came and told us that we'll get it all to the northwest. Thus ends in Seattle. So I discovered the piano.

P. Cuando dejó el jazz para abrazar el pop. What do your colleagues?

A. Some criticized me. And I'd say if you can not see that Baby be mine [Michael Jackson song] is the complexity of

Giant Steps, John Coltrane's, is that you have not understood anything.

Q. Do you support Obama's health reform?

A. It is not my field. Obama is a special type, with a big job to do. I do not envy. It has the same certain quality that my old friend Martin Luther King. These are things that worry me, I keep a foundation in which there are 89 of the best students in the country and are dedicated to thinking solutions to problems such as violence in the Middle East.

Q. And have come to some conclusion?

A. No definitive. I'm not one to waste time saying that going to the moon. I say nothing until he got there. So I better not tell much more.
 
Spielberg is a big hater!!!

Michael did only the changes to his face from bad to dangerous to look more like Peter Pan because he thought that Spielberg would let him play the role in the Peter Pan movie so that was the only reason why Mike changed his looks a bit from Bad to Dangerous because he wanted to be the perfect Pan he even got surgery-there you can see how important that role was for him but that bastard Spielberg stole the role from him and gave the part to Williams. Michaels heart was broken and he never spoke one word with Spielberg again!

I heard that Michael stopped talking to Spielberg because Michael approached him and David Geffen about doing a movie about the lives of Africans to show African Americans their true history and heritage and Spielberg turned him down. Michael believed that Spielberg's decision not to do the film was a racially motivated decision.
 
I think the Details interview is real:

Thank you for the links. I wasn't aware of the MSNBC interview. SMDH x infinity.

Fred Astaire also said something along the lines: "I didn't want to die until I saw my heir. I saw Michael Jackson. Now I can die."

Yes, I've heard that quote before too. He told Mike 'you're an angry dancer; just like me.' I would have love to have been there on the day (sometime after Motown 25) that Fred and Michael met and Michael showed him how to moonwalk. I remember reading that they went over other dance moves too. I believe Michael mentions it in Moonwalker.
 
Q. Listening to Billie Jean alternate takes included in a recent issue of their first album together, Off the wall, suggests that all the ideas that were really unique song of the young Michael ...

A. He wrote it. Of course it was his idea. He composed a lot of wonderful themes. Then I took them and took them where they had to go. That is the job of a producer.

Yeah, Quincy, you almost left Billie Jean off Thriller, you thought it was a weak song. Why don't you also tell that?

Q. Was there competition between you?

A. That really is good! Of course not. I've worked with Louis Armstrong, Frank Sinatra, Nat King Cole, Billie Holiday, Aretha Franklin and, above all, Ray Charles ... Think they'd be jealous of Michael Jackson? Michael did not have much talent. It was big, but did not play in the league of those just mentioned. He had seven children and participated in 40 movies. No time to waste on nonsense.

Who had seven children and participated in 40 movies? I don't understand.
 
Thanks charismatic. Some stuff in that translation didn't make sense though. Who had 7 children and done 40 movies? Not Michael, LOL!

Man, I just think Quincy is a bunch a bull and has nursed this huge grudge against Michael for years and years now.

It's kind of like Lisa Marie when she was talking bad about Michael because she was so angry at him. They are always asking her about Michael. They are always going to ask Quincy about Michael because Michael was really Quincy's greatest success. Why can't he just respect Michael's memory and the good times they shared together and everything they accomplished? Is that so hard for him? There is really no love in his heart.

I just think back to when Berry Gordy was angry at the Jacksons for leaving Motown, so he took ownership of their name. But Berry didn't hold the grudge forever. He understood the difference between business and personal. As far as i know, he has never ever spoken negatively about Michael and has always supported him.

I wish somebody would talk to Quincy and get him some therapy or something. He needs to get over this grudge with Michael.
 
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Thanks charismatic. Some stuff in that translation didn't make sense though. Who had 7 children and done 40 movies? Not Michael, LOL!

Man, I just think Quincy is a bunch a bull and has nursed this huge grudge against Michael for years and years now.

It's kind of like Lisa Marie when she was talking bad about Michael. They are always asking her about Michael. They are always going to ask Quincy about Michael. Why he can't he just respect Michael's memory and the good times they shared together and everything accomplished? Is that so hard for him?

The difference between Q and Lisa is that Lisa talked angry about Michael while he was still living. But now she realizes how much she loved him and still does maybe. Q is starting to kick dirt on Michael now that he is dead. Very "classy". NOT! It's a cowardly thing to do!
 
Michael was a very talented man and apparently that's very threatening to some people. Quincy Jones certainly fits the bill.
 
The difference between Q and Lisa is that Lisa talked angry about Michael while he was still living. But now she realizes how much she loved him and still does maybe. Q is starting to kick dirt on Michael now that he is dead. Very "classy". NOT! It's a cowardly thing to do!

Yeah, you're right. What Quincy is doing is even worse, IMO!

What troubles me is he talks smack about Michael, but is doing a tribute to him? Is it all about the benjamins??
 
all I can say is that Quincy is a very disgusting old man trying to take credit for a dead mans work and talking bullsh*t about him when he cant defend himself
so those are Micheal's "friends"? unbelievable
 
Yeah, you're right. What Quincy is doing is even worse, IMO!

What troubles me is he talks smack about Michael, but is doing a tribute to him? Is it all about the benjamins??

Also he went on national TV after Michael's death saying "he was my little brother" and "a part of my soul died with him". Then he turns around and he says all this negative things about him to magazines?

I'm not one of those MJ fanatics who think MJ couldn't do wrong. I realize he did things those weren't good, I also realize he could hurt people when cutting them off, I also realize he changed a lot over the years and there are things about him I cannot understand either. You can say you don't understand why he did all the plastic surgery (I don't either), you can say you don't understand why he picked so many shady people as "friends" and why he cut off so many good people from his life (I don't either). But if there's one thing you cannot say about Michael Jackson is that he didn't have much talent! That is simply ridiculous!

He had a mega talent. Quincy helped him to reach his artistic peak, but he was just that: a helper. He shouldn't try to pose as the one who created MJ, the artist, because he didn't. MJ always gave him a lot of credit, more than artists usually give their producers, he should be satisfied with that. But it was Michael who wrote his greatest hits, it was Michael who had that unique voice, it was Michael who created his coreographies, it was Michael who moved like Fred Astaire and James Brown in one body, it was Michael who had his ideas for his videos. Michael was THE creative part of their partnership. Quincy was "just" the craftsman who helped to make the most of that TALENT.
 
I'm telling you guys. . . Tell Quincy how you really feel! LOL!

Generally speaking, the older you get the more stubborn you get. I don't think Quincy is open to being corrected but he should be because he's quite wrong about this.
 
Quincy need to stop smoking weed, I swear.

The older he gets, the crazier he gets.


I think Quincy is right


Michael didn't write his greatest hit Thriller + you got to realize there is always a bunch of musicians in the studio , Michael always had producers working for him to create a new sound so Michael didn't have the ability to create a whole instrumental at his own . When you see him in the studio or at a rehearsel he's just directing the musicians or the producer which is a totally different thing .


The sales went crazy because Michael Jackson had those crazy videos .
Imo that's the only reason why Thriller sold so much . Also the fact his skin turned white because of Vitiligo made a very important impact on the sales and had the media talking about him .


Since Quincy stopped working with Michael Jackson it went all wrong
Notice when you hear a MJ song it's always from the Off The Wall , Thriller or Bad album . Ever since his skin turned white the radio didn't play MJ like they used to .

Quincy knows what sounds great because he is a production genius . You can't match Michael with Quincy because Michael is the entertainer . Ofcouse Michael chooses the music and direct a whole bunch but you only can create good wine if you have the good grapes in the first place.
 
I think Quincy is right


Michael didn't write his greatest hit Thriller


Erm, get your facts right! Thriller (the song) wasn't Michael's greatest hit. Michael's greatest hits from that album were Billie Jean and Beat it. Both written by Michael.

From Off the wall the greatest hit was Don't stop til you get enough - written by Michael.

Most of the songs on Bad were written by Michael.

And you know, if for Quincy we would have never got to hear Billie Jean!

The pop star faced numerous disagreements with the song's producer. Quincy Jones did not want "Billie Jean" to appear on Thriller; he felt that the song was too weak to be part of the collection.[9] The producer disliked the demo and did not care for the song's bass line.[12] Jones wanted to cut Jackson's 29 second introduction, which Jackson insisted be kept. "I said, 'Michael we’ve got to cut that intro'", Jones later recalled. "He said, 'But that’s the jelly!'...'That’s what makes me want to dance'. And when Michael Jackson tells you, 'That’s what makes me want to dance', well, the rest of us just have to shut up."[11] Jones also wanted to change the track's title to "Not My Lover", believing that people would think the song referred to the tennis player Billie Jean King. Jackson refused to change the title and asked Jones to give him co-producing credits for the track; he felt that the demo tape sounded exactly like the finished product. In addition, Jackson wanted extra royalties. Jones granted neither and the two fell out for several days.[9][12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean

You also contradict yourself. First you say Michael sold so many records because his skin turned white. (How stupid is that, anyway? He was still black during the Thriller era.) Then you say "Ever since his skin turned white the radio didn't play MJ like they used to ."

So which of the two? Make your mind up!
 
all I can say is that Quincy is a very disgusting old man trying to take credit for a dead mans work and talking bullsh*t about him when he cant defend himself
so those are Micheal's "friends"? unbelievable


Quincy always had these feelings about Michael . It's not just after Michael's death . He's old but don't forget that he also was one of the creators of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air and a whole bunch of other succesful projects .

He's just being real and you should thank him for that .

He's not a hypocrite that goes on every TV show and getting paid like JERMAINE does all the time he's just a cool cat .

I don't like all this hype about Michael right now it's so fake I'm happy there is still someone like Quincy who don't get into the hype and all of the sudden starts performing on television shows , creating RIP songs , etc...

Keep in mind that people like Jermaine , LaToya , all the ex doctors and doctors are getting paid big time for just telling their story .

You'll never get under 1000 dollars for a story and this is just one of those gossip stories . Expect something for Jermaine or Latoya around 25 to 500 000 dollars per interview . These are no lies they are still family of a best selling artist .
 
Erm, get your facts right! Thriller (the song) wasn't Michael's greatest hit. Michael's greatest hits from that album were Billie Jean and Beat it. Both written by Michael.

From off the wall the greatest hit was Don't stop til you get enough - written by Michael.

Most of the songs on Bad were written by Michael.

And you know, if for Quincy we would have never got to hear Billie Jean!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie_Jean


Thriller was the reason Michael became uber-famous not just famous
Get YOUR facts right Michael became famous because of the visual things he did that went along with his music .
Thriller made Michael a worldwide succes .
 
I think Quincy is right


Michael didn't write his greatest hit Thriller + you got to realize there is always a bunch of musicians in the studio , Michael always had producers working for him to create a new sound so Michael didn't have the ability to create a whole instrumental at his own . When you see him in the studio or at a rehearsel he's just directing the musicians or the producer which is a totally different thing .


The sales went crazy because Michael Jackson had those crazy videos .
Imo that's the only reason why Thriller sold so much . Also the fact his skin turned white because of Vitiligo made a very important impact on the sales and had the media talking about him .


Since Quincy stopped working with Michael Jackson it went all wrong
Notice when you hear a MJ song it's always from the Off The Wall , Thriller or Bad album . Ever since his skin turned white the radio didn't play MJ like they used to .

Quincy knows what sounds great because he is a production genius . You can't match Michael with Quincy because Michael is the entertainer . Ofcouse Michael chooses the music and direct a whole bunch but you only can create good wine if you have the good grapes in the first place.

there is a LOT wrong with all of this:
Michael didn't write his greatest hit Thriller + you got to realize there is always a bunch of musicians in the studio , Michael always had producers working for him to create a new sound so Michael didn't have the ability to create a whole instrumental at his own . When you see him in the studio or at a rehearsel he's just directing the musicians or the producer which is a totally different thing .

thriller wasn't his greatest hit, it was the greatest selling CD but the song thriller never even made it as number one. BILLIE JEAN, BEAT IT, BAD, BLACK OR WHITE, and a lot of others however are his number ones and he DID write them. he couldn't play all instruments, but he would beat box the perfect beat to them and even his sound engineers talk in wonder about how he would be on perfect pitch with that and they could simply put the musical sound to what he had in his head.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-m...-worked-michael-jacksons-dangerous-album.html i'd suggest reading that, real insightful on the talent michael had and the respect that those who were in the studio had of him and what he could do with beatboxing and composing songs

Since Quincy stopped working with Michael Jackson it went all wrong
Notice when you hear a MJ song it's always from the Off The Wall , Thriller or Bad album . Ever since his skin turned white the radio didn't play MJ like they used to .

are you kidding? DANGEROUS sold very well, hear of the songs REMEMBER THE TIME, BLACK OR WHITE, WILL YOU BE THERE, HEAL THE WORLD?? all of those did jusssst fine without quincy. I never hear off the wall stuff, except for don't stop til you get enough in movies and stuff.

I mean, i give quincy his due, he did a good job, but it's not like MJ fell off into oblivion without him, let's be real. The cases/trials did WAY more to hurt him and his image/sales than not working with Quincy did. and he STILL managed to sell out every concert he ever put on
 
Quincy always had these feelings about Michael . It's not just after Michael's death . He's old but don't forget that he also was one of the creators of the Fresh Prince of Bel Air and a whole bunch of other succesful projects .

He's just being real and you should thank him for that .

He's not a hypocrite that goes on every TV show and getting paid like JERMAINE does all the time he's just a cool cat .

I don't like all this hype about Michael right now it's so fake I'm happy there is still someone like Quincy who don't get into the hype and all of the sudden starts performing on television shows , creating RIP songs , etc...

Keep in mind that people like Jermaine , LaToya , all the ex doctors and doctors are getting paid big time for just telling their story .

You'll never get under 1000 dollars for a story and this is just one of those gossip stories . Expect something for Jermaine or Latoya around 25 to 500 000 dollars per interview . These are no lies they are still family of a best selling artist .

You are saying that I should thank Quincy for saying that Michael did not have much talent?

I should thank Quincy for saying that Michael did not want to be black?

I should thank Quincy for saying that Michael had pictures of little blond boys in his house?

I should thank Quincy for dissing Michael's children?

I'm sorry, but I WILL NOT thank Quincy for any of those comments for the sake of 'keeping it real'. I think Quincy is delusional, big-headed, and straight up disrespectful to someone who loved him.

If Quincy didn't understand Michael, he could have tried to reach out to Michael and talk to him about things. But I guess egos got in the way and Quincy was all butt hurt that Mike wanted to work with other producers.

I've no respect for Quincy as a person.
 
Thriller was the reason Michael became uber-famous not just famous
Get YOUR facts right Michael became famous because of the visual things he did that went along with his music .
Thriller made Michael a worldwide succes .

So you can't distinguish between a song and an album? Thriller was the ALBUM that made Michael "über-famous", not Thriller, the song. As mentioned Thriller, the song, wasn't even Nr 1, unlike Beat it and Billie Jean. Thriller the song also wasn't the song that got Michael all those Grammys. It was Billie Jean and Beat it.

As for the visual things. Yes, they played a part in Michael's success. And it was part of his talent and skillset to realize how to play that new media, the video! And how to make the most of his dancing skills through that. He was a pioneer in that area and it took talent to create and use video like he did. It was part of his talent, what's wrong with that?
 
You are saying that I should thank Quincy for saying that Michael did not have much talent?

I should thank Quincy for saying that Michael did not want to be black?

I should thank Quincy for saying that Michael had pictures of little blond boys in his house?

I should thank Quincy for dissing Michael's children?

I'm sorry, but I WILL NOT thank Quincy for any of those comments for the sake of 'keeping it real'. I think Quincy is delusional, big-headed, and straight up disrespectful to someone who loved him.

If Quincy didn't understand Michael, he could have tried to reach out to Michael and talk to him about things. But I guess egos got in the way and Quincy was all butt hurt that Mike wanted to work with other producers.

I've no respect for Quincy as a person.


I'm not talking about the personal things
Don't talk about the personal things because that is not interesting to me .

Me I'm talking about the music and that's the only thing I wanted to talk about

I think it's none of Quincy's business to just say those things .
 
I'm telling you guys. . . Tell Quincy how you really feel! LOL!


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Also found this youtube video of the 1984 Grammys. While accepting an award with Michael, Quincy declares to the world:

'MICHAEL JACKSON IS ONE OF THE GREATEST TALENTS I HAVE EVER MET.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awV_On2LnZ8

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ur so funny! haha you won't quit! lol and Killa bee, sorry but Michael has always been great. Before Quincy and after quincy. Quincy's job, and i'm studying music production so i know, is to pick and arrange the songs that should go on the album. His job is to make and pick songs people want to hear. But remember that those few 12-14 songs were originally picked from 80-100 songs, mainly written by Michael. Thriller, billie jean, and beat it are AMAZING songs! you can go anywhere play that song and everyone, from all age ranges, is going to get up, sing it and dance it. They are magical songs that will live on forever for that sole reason. But also remember that the only reason that Bad and dangerous didn't do as good as thriller and off the wall is because everyone started concentrating on Michael's private life more than his public life. But the music was still great! During this time he came out with a bunch of classics, black and white, man in the mirror, remember the time, the way you make me feel, smooth criminal, etc. For you can see how great those songs were too, the other day i was in class and my professor asked us what song do we listen to every day, and i answered Dirty diana...the ENTIRE CLASS sang at that moment said "dirty dianaaaaa ohhhhhh" and the teacher shared a story from when he first heard that song. See, the songs there weren't bad, it just wasn't the same with people looking to much into Michaels private life. And actually, as an album i like dangerous and bad better. Thriller and off the wall had excellent songs, but bad and dangerous as an album hold themselves better than off the wall and thriller. Oh and the reason why thriller the video and the album became so famous was because michael had already released billie jean and had performed it on motown 25. And because of this everyone wanted to see what was the next big thing that Mj was going to do. So to a certain extent you can say that "Billie jean", a song written by Michael, was the main source in helping promote thriller and thriller the album.
 
Sigh... Yeah, it is my understanding that El Pais is a reputable newspaper. This stump of an article from Wikipedia (though a few years old) concurs that. El Pais is or at least was the leading newspaper in Spain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_País

So... I'd have to conclude Quincy Jones is... :no:
 
ur so funny! haha you won't quit! lol and Killa bee, sorry but Michael has always been great. Before Quincy and after quincy. Quincy's job, and i'm studying music production so i know, is to pick and arrange the songs that should go on the album. His job is to make and pick songs people want to hear. But remember that those few 12-14 songs were originally picked from 80-100 songs, mainly written by Michael. Thriller, billie jean, and beat it are AMAZING songs! you can go anywhere play that song and everyone, from all age ranges, is going to get up, sing it and dance it. They are magical songs that will live on forever for that sole reason. But also remember that the only reason that Bad and dangerous didn't do as good as thriller and off the wall is because everyone started concentrating on Michael's private life more than his public life. But the music was still great! During this time he came out with a bunch of classics, black and white, man in the mirror, remember the time, the way you make me feel, smooth criminal, etc. For you can see how great those songs were too, the other day i was in class and my professor asked us what song do we listen to every day, and i answered Dirty diana...the ENTIRE CLASS sang at that moment said "dirty dianaaaaa ohhhhhh" and the teacher shared a story from when he first heard that song. See, the songs there weren't bad, it just wasn't the same with people looking to much into Michaels private life. And actually, as an album i like dangerous and bad better. Thriller and off the wall had excellent songs, but bad and dangerous as an album hold themselves better than off the wall and thriller. Oh and the reason why thriller the video and the album became so famous was because michael had already released billie jean and had performed it on motown 25. And because of this everyone wanted to see what was the next big thing that Mj was going to do. So to a certain extent you can say that "Billie jean", a song written by Michael, was the main source in helping promote thriller and thriller the album.
just about the part i bolded, both bad and dangerous outsold off the wall by at least 10 million cds. so they are more successful, sales and number one songs wise. michaels personal life dramas only started a decline in sales for invincible and blood on the dance floor, and those may have really just lost because of a lack of promotion/tours, because HIStory is the best selling double cd of all time, so even WITH crazy drama in life, he still outsold most artists of today AND definitely outsold even himself in every tour he did even up until his death when he sold out TII in a matter of hours
 
^^^^^ haha ohhh lol...well, u get the point =)

;) i got it....just was clarifying....you were right on with the billie jean part, that was the total catalyst for EVERYTHING then it went into the stratosphere with the thriller video. those two things sealed him in as a pop ICON
 
;) i got it....just was clarifying....you were right on with the billie jean part, that was the total catalyst for EVERYTHING

Yeah, and that genius Quincy who supposedly "created" Michael Jackson, the superstar, did not want Billie Jean on the album! I wonder what killa.bee has to say on that....
 
Also, isn't BOTDF considered the best selling album of remixes of all time? I bought it the day it came out. ;)
 
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;) i got it....just was clarifying....you were right on with the billie jean part, that was the total catalyst for EVERYTHING then it went into the stratosphere with the thriller video. those two things sealed him in as a pop ICON

yup, exactly! Billie Jean is what led to the suspense of the video release of thriller and the album. Billie jean was ALL michael, and the moon walk really did set him as a pop icon, thriller just emphasized it =) oh and btw, the video idea of thriller was all made by michael. He is the one that came up with the idea, and HE was the one that called up the director in london (forgot his name...the guy who made scary movies). Everything was all michael, michael had talent, that is undeniable.
 
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