PETA Dubbs Janet Grinch Of The Year

[Big Apple2]

I'm so over PETA, I could care less what they have to say!

That being said, nowadays folks don't need to listen to PETA's message, in my opinion, folks are just aware of the whole "fur wearing" thing on their own and MOST are just appalled by it and to be honest, it really shocked me that Janet would be down with a fur-making company.

Most celebrities have given up their fur wearing ways a long, LONG time ago, because they don't want to be a part of the negative press that goes along with wearing fur and/or they are opposed to wearing fur for the obvious reason. Which is another reason this move by Janet is sort of shocking.

I remember back in the day, you couldn't go to a "Runway Show" without fur being used in one way or another. Nowadays, you don't see it at all, and if you do, it's very, very isolated. Folks just don't want the drama.

On a side note: There are restaurants and bars in New York City (where I'm from) that don't allow you on their property if you are wearing fur. It's a new development in NYC, but just shows how folks feel about fur, even towards a PAYING customer. LOL!

 

[KOPV]

"grinch" of the year.. what a mature thing from a well respected orginization.

 

[CherubimII]

Before now, I have never known of Janet Jackson to be a promotor of wearing fur.
Janet seems to have agreed to do this fur promotion advertisement just for the MONEY she is being paid.
A person should not do just "Anythng for Money".

 

[Ashtanga]

A person should not do just "Anythng for Money".

Never!

 

[raz2911]

I doubt money is the only reason she's doing this, Janet is one of the wealthiest women in the music industry, she isn't just another one of the Jackson siblings who need money. I will not support her fur line, but I won't act like it's a desperate attempt to get money, when she obviously doesn't need it, it saddens me she chose to do fur when other fashion lines have given her opportunities for a clothing line in the past.

 

[Ben]

She said before that she loved fur and leather, but I never thought she would actually promote that kind of stuff. To me, it's a huge disappointment. Even if I like some of her music, as a person, I have lost all respect for her.

 

[love is magical]

Anyway, personally I'm not for or against fur. I wouldn't wear it myself but I don't have a problem if other people do. However, I do have a problem with violent "protests" and immature press statements such as this one. If I was against fur, there is no way I would be supporting PETA. I'm sure there are much more reasonable organizations out there.

I just want to echo your point. I'm like you. I'm not for or against fur. While I do not advocate clothing companies killing animals for fur, I can't point my fingers at them, as I'm a sinner myself. I enjoy steaks, pork chops, chicken, tuna and salmon. I wear leather shoes and gloves. I carry leather handbags. I wear sweaters made from cashmere and wool. My mother has fur and leather coats. The down coat that I wear to work today has a fur trimmed hood.

In fact, many well known fashion houses, such as Chanel, Hermes, Gucci, are big leather goods makers. Chanel's iconic quilt handbags are made from sheepskin. Many celebrities have no problem in showing off their Chanel's and Herme's. When Madonna appeared as Dolce & Gabanna's spokeperson, did she ask D&G to stop using leather and fur in their products? When Angelina Jolie appeared in the Louis Vuitton campaign, did she ask LV to stop using leather in their handbags? Can someone educate me what makes it more ethical for UGG to use leather for boots and KFC to kill chicken than making fur clothes? Is it because by the time the leather turned into shoes, it's so processed that the leather hardly resembles the animal skin it came from? Is it because by the time KFC serves the fried chicken, the savory meat and crunchy fried skin doesn't look anymore like a living animal?

Calling someone "Grinch of the Year" is childish. Consuming animals for human needs dates back to as far as history began. It takes much more to re-educate the population and cause cultural shift.

Disclamier: I don't support cruelty treatment of animals. But, I'm not a vegetarian. So, don't show me how people kill chicken and cows for their meat before my meals.

She said before that she loved fur and leather, but I never thought she would actually promote that kind of stuff. To me, it's a huge disappointment. Even if I like some of her music, as a person, I have lost all respect for her.

When Elizabeth Taylor wore fur, she essentially was promoting the image of glamour. Many women, including my mother, associated fur to glamour because they saw glamourous women like Elizabeth Taylor wearing fur. Have you lost all respect for Elizabeth?

So, it doesn't matter to you how many good things and charity works Janet Jackson has done in her life. Those things don't count? To you, Janent, as a person, is defined by her fondness in fur and leather?

 

[anak]

wHy don't you take a look at this videos hier and maybe, just maybe you quite wearing leathers and furs? but keep making exuces for the fulls who don't ghive a shit that animals are turtored for thier personal vanity.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

hen Elizabeth Taylor wore fur, she essentially was promoting the image of glamour. Many women, including my mother, associated fur to glamour because they saw glamourous women like Elizabeth Taylor wearing fur. Have you lost all respect for Elizabeth?

i would say that was a different time and era. ppl thought differently then and werent as educated. i dont think the two times can be compaired tbh

 

[love is magical]

i would say that was a different time and era. ppl thought differently then and werent as educated. i dont think the two times can be compaired tbh

I&#8217;m not comparing Janet Jackson to Elizabeth Taylor or coming up with excuses for Janet&#8217;s decision to be a spoke person of fur. I&#8217;m indifferent. But, I want to point out that human character is complex. There are many different aspects of human. There are good&#8217;s and there are bad&#8217;s. Elizabeth wore fur. But, so what? I wouldn&#8217;t lose my respect for her just because I don&#8217;t like the fact she wore fur. Her legacy is her courage, her loyalty and her efforts against HIV/AIDS. Madonna wears leather gloves and boots. Do I think she&#8217;s Cruella now? Even Michael Jackson wore leather jackets. I wouldn&#8217;t lose my respect for people at a personal level just because of their clothing choices. When Michael Jackson wore leather jacket during the BAD era, I could imagine thousands and thousands of young people wanted leather jackets similar to the one worn by Michael. Isn&#8217;t it a form of promotion of leather goods? </SPAN>

I don&#8217;t want to point fingers at others while being a sinner myself. As I mentioned in my previous post, I eat meat, carry leather handbags and wear leather shoes. Say I give up all my leather goods (although I don&#8217;t know whether I&#8217;ll be able to not buy a pair of leather shoes for the rest of my life), I can&#8217;t give up meat. I still consume animals for my selfish human needs.</SPAN>

For a recognized organization such as PETA to go so low to call Janet Jackson &#8220;grinch&#8221; and intentionally embarrass her by regurgitating that wardrobe malfunction is as childish as it can get. PETA destroyed its own creditability. Stopping people from using animal skin and fur for clothing items takes much more than stupid gimmick like that. We are talking about habits that date back to the dawn of human civilization. We are talking about fashion industry that spends millions and millions to promote their leather and fur products. It&#8217;ll take much more than name calling to change people&#8217;s way of living.</SPAN>

The double-standard here is alarming. Many other celebrities endorse companies that use fur, no one seems to be disgusted by their actions. Just go to the newsstand and buy a copy of Vogue or Elle, see how many women and men that we love cover themselves with leather&#8230; Are we going to lose our respect for them? </SPAN>

 

[Ben]

I still consume animals for my selfish human needs. In my very humble opinion, food and clothing are 2 different issues. I'm a vegetarian (before anyone asks), but the way I see it, if you dont eat, you die; the fact that you dont HAVE to eat meat is another issue. No one needs fur to live in our societies. That's the difference, and why it makes it even more cruel.
Janet (from whom I expected so much better) not only wears fur, she promotes it, and will make money out of it. That's one step ahead in the cruelty selfisness, and complete lack of compassion.
Leather, to me, is a little different because it comes from animals killed for their meat. They are not raised and tortured just for their skins.



The double-standard here is alarming. Many other celebrities endorse companies that use fur, no one seems to be disgusted by their actions. Just go to the newsstand and buy a copy of Vogue or Elle, see how many women and men that we love cover themselves with leather&#8230; Are we going to lose our respect for them? .

Yes, in my case. Latoya cant loose my respect cos she never had it, but Janet, yes, she had. It's shows a side of her as a person that deeply disappointed me, and that I wont get over.

 

[love is magical]

No offense. But, the explanations that people come up with to justify their positions against Janet Jackson are quite absurd.

In my very humble opinion, food and clothing are 2 different issues. I'm a vegetarian (before anyone asks), but the way I see it, if you dont eat, you die; the fact that you dont HAVE to eat meat is another issue. No one needs fur to live in our societies. That's the difference, and why it makes it even more cruel.

You just mentioned that your are a vergetarian and the fact that you are still breathing desmonstrates how humans can actually survive without meat consumption. So, we DON'T die if we don't eat meat. In this day and age, there are alternatives for protein availabe. Yet, billions and billions of human beings in this world still consume meat. At the end of the day, animals still die for human consumption. Killing animals for their meat is just as cruel as killing them for their skin. You know how many geese are raised just for their livers? I know how cruel men treat the animals before we kill them to make our "delicacy". Saying we need meat to survive, so we kill animals sounds just as selfish as killing animals for leather and fur.

Janet (from whom I expected so much better) not only wears fur, she promotes it, and will make money out of it. That's one step ahead in the cruelty selfisness, and complete lack of compassion.

Do you read fashion magazines, like Vogue? Are you aware of how many celebrities, like Madonna, Jennifer Lopez were at one point spokewomen of brands like Gucci? And how many leather goods Gucci sells every year? You think Gucci doesn't use fur in their dresses and coats? Janet Jackson is far from the only person who wears fur and leather. She's not the only spokewoman of companies that make fur coats and leather shoes. If you call Janet Jackson lack of compassion, you may want to say the same thing to Madonna and other beloved actresses and models.

Leather, to me, is a little different because it comes from animals killed for their meat. They are not raised and tortured just for their skins.

So, you feel better if man kill animals for their meat first, then use their skin? The sheep is dead. So, let's use the sheepskin for Chanel handbags, right? What's the logic? The animals still die for us. Applying the same logic, you will feel better if men kill the animals and eat their meat first, then take the fur. Seriously, killing animal for meat and leather is as cruel as killing animals for fur.

Yes, in my case. Latoya cant loose my respect cos she never had it, but Janet, yes, she had. It's shows a side of her as a person that deeply disappointed me, and that I wont get over.

Not picking on you. But, why you didn't lose any respect for Michael when he wore so many different leather jackets? Because the leather on his jackets came from animals whose meat we ate?

 

[anak]

^^ very low of you to bring Michael's name on it in order to make a point since from what i know he didn't ever was a spoke man of any of this firms nor did he make money of out it. and so because Michael wore leathers on the 80s that means that we shouldn't critisize the celebritis who promote furs or things that are for some people morally repugnant? but i guess someone has to justify theirsself somehow. so lets bring Michael's name on the topic and make everybody shut up. ts ts ts, shame shame.

 

[love is magical]

^^ very low of you to bring Michael's name on it in order to make a point since from what i know he didn't ever was a spoke man of any of this firms nor did he make money of out it. and so because Michael wore leathers on the 80s that means that we shouldn't critisize the celebritis who promote furs or things that are for some people morally repugnant? but i guess someone has to justify theirsself somehow. so lets bring Michael's name on the topic and make everybody shut up. ts ts ts, shame shame.

What's so low about my words? I'm not the one who called people wearing leathers and fur fools. I'm not the who lose respect for people at a personal level based on one aspect of people's life. Did I say I support Janet Jackson? No, I didn't. I mention more than once that I'm indifferent. So, there is nothing for me to defend.

I said in my earlier posts that many celebrities wear fur and leathers. Some got paid to become a spokeperson. Some don't. So, the one who get paid are disgusting. The one who don't are fine? Even they all are promoting leather goods? You know how many people own the Beat It jacket because of Michael Jackson, right?

Michael not only wore leathers in the 80's. He also wore leathers in 2009. I didn't criticize him as I have no problem with people wearing leathers. I wear leathers myself. I didn't ask you to shut up neither. If you want to criticize him for wearing leathers, like how you criticize other celebrities. That's fine.

When you call Janet Jackson all sort of names or criticize other celebrities for their "immoral" decisions, do you apply the same standard to yourself and to the people you like? Not only Michael. But, to the many celebrities who pose with their leather goods on magazine pages.

 

[Petrarose]

I just want to echo your point. I'm like you. I'm not for or against fur. While I do not advocate clothing companies killing animals for fur, I can't point my fingers at them, as I'm a sinner myself. I enjoy steaks, pork chops, chicken, tuna and salmon. I wear leather shoes and gloves. I carry leather handbags. I wear sweaters made from cashmere and wool. My mother has fur and leather coats. The down coat that I wear to work today has a fur trimmed hood.

In fact, many well known fashion houses, such as Chanel, Hermes, Gucci, are big leather goods makers. Chanel's iconic quilt handbags are made from sheepskin. Many celebrities have no problem in showing off their Chanel's and Herme's. When Madonna appeared as Dolce & Gabanna's spokeperson, did she ask D&G to stop using leather and fur in their products? When Angelina Jolie appeared in the Louis Vuitton campaign, did she ask LV to stop using leather in their handbags? Can someone educate me what makes it more ethical for UGG to use leather for boots and KFC to kill chicken than making fur clothes? Is it because by the time the leather turned into shoes, it's so processed that the leather hardly resembles the animal skin it came from? Is it because by the time KFC serves the fried chicken, the savory meat and crunchy fried skin doesn't look anymore like a living animal?

Calling someone "Grinch of the Year" is childish. Consuming animals for human needs dates back to as far as history began. It takes much more to re-educate the population and cause cultural shift.

Disclamier: I don't support cruelty treatment of animals. But, I'm not a vegetarian. So, don't show me how people kill chicken and cows for their meat before my meals.



When Elizabeth Taylor wore fur, she essentially was promoting the image of glamour. Many women, including my mother, associated fur to glamour because they saw glamourous women like Elizabeth Taylor wearing fur. Have you lost all respect for Elizabeth?

So, it doesn't matter to you how many good things and charity works Janet Jackson has done in her life. Those things don't count? To you, Janent, as a person, is defined by her fondness in fur and leather?

Great Post here^^. I am like you too. I use meat and fish and yes plants had life at one time before we cooked or ate them. It is not the same type of life as an animal but a living thing never the less. What should we do--only drink water and sniff the air to maintain our life? I would hope that people have come up with more humane ways to kill the animals that we eat and who provide us with leather/skins to make our shoes and bags.

I do not have furs, but to me someone who wastes food, do not share with others, and causes others harm is more qualified to be called grinch of the year.

Further, people are using the word immoral for those who wear fur. Some people think it is immoral to have sex before marriage, to cheat on a spouse, etc. There is no outcry against these, because I guess, being against fur is more politically correct during these times. Sometimes we go with the causes that are "in fashion" at the moment.

 

[love is magical]

Great Post here^^. I am like you too. I use meat and fish and yes plants had life at one time before we cooked or ate them. It is not the same type of life as an animal but a living thing never the less. What should we do--only drink water and sniff the air to maintain our life? I would hope that people have come up with more humane ways to kill the animals that we eat and who provide us with leather/skins to make our shoes and bags.

I do not have furs, but to me someone who wastes food, do not share with others, and causes others harm is more qualified to be called grinch of the year.

Further, people are using the word immoral for those who wear fur. Some people think it is immoral to have sex before marriage, to cheat on a spouse, etc. There is no outcry against these, because I guess, being against fur is more politically correct during these times. Sometimes we go with the causes that are "in fashion" at the moment.

I agree with you. I have more problem with people wasting food and hurting others much more so than a spokeperson of a fur company. I watched the Travel Channel a few nights ago. They have a show called Man vs. Food. The show is about a guy going to different restaurants to have eating competitions. Some of his challeges are eating 7-lb burrito, 17 hot dogs, etc... I was disgusted. He forces himself to eat excessively. There are many people in the world who are starving. Yet, this guy is swallowing hot dogs after hot dogs. He's wasting limited resources.

Why don't animal right organizations go after non-sensical eating competitions? I guess it's not "in fashion" at the moment.

 

[Petrarose]

Love true^^^. I think many, including PETA need to be more balanced and less fanatical. Sure we should not be hurting animals needlessly.

 

[xthunderx2]

wHy don't you take a look at this videos hier and maybe, just maybe you quite wearing leathers and furs? but keep making exuces for the fulls who don't ghive a shit that animals are turtored for thier personal vanity.

omg..that first video is terrible...just terrible...had me in tears...those poor little animals...they suffer,,there is no need in doing that to a poor defenseless little thing, I don't wear fur and I dont use leather,,,anything. That first video was so bad I couldn't even finish watching it,,,never mind I couldn't attempt at watching the second one. so so sad,,

 

[love is magical]

Love true^^^. I think many, including PETA need to be more balanced and less fanatical. Sure we should not be hurting animals needlessly.

And, do you remember the news about a guy in Ohio owning a private zoo that consists of many wild animals, such as lions and tigers, chimps? Some of the exotic animals he owned are closed to extinction. One day, he opened the gate of his zoo and committed suicide. The animals ended up running wild in town. For public safety concern, the police had no choice but to gun down all the animals. Only a couple were rescued. All the lions and tigers were killed needlessly.

There are other things an animal right advocay can do, such as urging state governemnets to tighten up laws on animal ownership. There are many things that need to be done to ensure more ethical treatments of animals. Things such as eliminating waste in food and more regulations in pet/animal ownership.

 

[anak]

omg..that first video is terrible...just terrible...had me in tears...those poor little animals...they suffer,,there is no need in doing that to a poor defenseless little thing, I don't wear fur and I dont use leather,,,anything. That first video was so bad I couldn't even finish watching it,,,never mind I couldn't attempt at watching the second one. so so sad,,

yes. it's too cruel.

 

[Ashtanga]

omg..that first video is terrible...just terrible...had me in tears...those poor little animals...they suffer,,there is no need in doing that to a poor defenseless little thing, I don't wear fur and I dont use leather,,,anything. That first video was so bad I couldn't even finish watching it,,,never mind I couldn't attempt at watching the second one. so so sad,,

Yes ... I hate it and can not stand any kind of cruelty to animals. uke:

 

[xthunderx2]

Yes ... I hate it and can not stand any kind of cruelty to animals. uke:

I cant either...

 

[Ben]

No offense. But, the explanations that people come up with to justify their positions against Janet Jackson are quite absurd.



You just mentioned that your are a vergetarian and the fact that you are still breathing desmonstrates how humans can actually survive without meat consumption. So, we DON'T die if we don't eat meat. In this day and age, there are alternatives for protein availabe. Yet, billions and billions of human beings in this world still consume meat. At the end of the day, animals still die for human consumption. Killing animals for their meat is just as cruel as killing them for their skin. You know how many geese are raised just for their livers? I know how cruel men treat the animals before we kill them to make our "delicacy". Saying we need meat to survive, so we kill animals sounds just as selfish as killing animals for leather and fur.



Do you read fashion magazines, like Vogue? Are you aware of how many celebrities, like Madonna, Jennifer Lopez were at one point spokewomen of brands like Gucci? And how many leather goods Gucci sells every year? You think Gucci doesn't use fur in their dresses and coats? Janet Jackson is far from the only person who wears fur and leather. She's not the only spokewoman of companies that make fur coats and leather shoes. If you call Janet Jackson lack of compassion, you may want to say the same thing to Madonna and other beloved actresses and models.



So, you feel better if man kill animals for their meat first, then use their skin? The sheep is dead. So, let's use the sheepskin for Chanel handbags, right? What's the logic? The animals still die for us. Applying the same logic, you will feel better if men kill the animals and eat their meat first, then take the fur. Seriously, killing animal for meat and leather is as cruel as killing animals for fur.



Not picking on you. But, why you didn't lose any respect for Michael when he wore so many different leather jackets? Because the leather on his jackets came from animals whose meat we ate?

No offense, but I think the agressivity some people feel the need to use in a conversation is a bit tiring.

As this is what this place is for, I used my right to express my opinion, I believe in a respectful manner and without belittling yours. You have every right to disagree with me or ask for clarifications if needed.


"Saying we need meat to survive, so we kill animals sounds just as selfish as killing animals for leather and fur" : yes; I still make a difference between eating and wanting to look cool.
Leather, to me, is a little different : see the emphasis? I thought it would be enough to be understood.

You are totally entitled to disagree. Personally, the most idiotic comment I've heard was from people who said they couldnt stop eating meat because it was too good. I dont force my values on others, and I try not to offense fellow fans who could have different points of view when I express my opinion. That's why I refrain from saying all I think about the matter. I know more than you can imagine about animal (mis)treatment.
In the end, absolurely no end justifies animal torture the way we humans daily practice it.

To your question : Are we going to lose our respect for them? my answer was : Yes, in my case. And I dont have any beloved model that is still alive, sadly.

I dont read fashion magazines, I like to be mentally stimulated, and paying for pages of advertisement for products that dont interest me would make no sense.
No need to focus on renown fashion brands for which I have no admiration whatsoever. Fashion doesnt interest me at all. I wouldnt take that Chanel handbag if you gave it to me. I believe those companies actually dont care where their skins/fur come from, like we've seem lately with the snake and crocodile ones (Gucci, again). Like they dont care either about the carcinogenic products they use in their cosmetics or perfumes most people are so excited about. But as always, people dont want to be bothered and know what happens behind the scenes. Which is a shame because those brands would have disappeared by now.

Re - Michael, I dont think I've expressed my feelings on the matter. As a matter of fact, there are several things he did I didnt agree with. Leather jackets, zoos, and KFC are some of them.

Just to be clear : I am not a Janet hater. Was quite a fan actually, she did a great show in Paris last june.


Now I believe this thread is not about me. So BOT, thank you.

 

[MIST]

You can choose to buy meat and other products from animals who come from organic farms ,at least that´s better than those factoryfarms.
But I guess the animals still have to go to the slaughterhouse and that´s terrible.

I wonder if there are a furfarm where the animals are treated good for even one day.

Some people don´t care about suffering animals and wear fur and leather and eat products from animals although they know about it, some use it but have no idea about how animals were treated.
I had a leatherjacket when I was young and it´s possible one cap was made of real fur back then, but I wouldn´t wear such things today.
Michael used leatherjackets in his life, but did he use it later years?

 

[love is magical]

No offense, but I think the agressivity some people feel the need to use in a conversation is a bit tiring.

As this is what this place is for, I used my right to express my opinion, I believe in a respectful manner and without belittling yours. You have every right to disagree with me or ask for clarifications if needed.


"Saying we need meat to survive, so we kill animals sounds just as selfish as killing animals for leather and fur" : yes; I still make a difference between eating and wanting to look cool.
Leather, to me, is a little different : see the emphasis? I thought it would be enough to be understood.

You are totally entitled to disagree. Personally, the most idiotic comment I've heard was from people who said they couldnt stop eating meat because it was too good. I dont force my values on others, and I try not to offense fellow fans who could have different points of view when I express my opinion. That's why I refrain from saying all I think about the matter. I know more than you can imagine about animal (mis)treatment.
In the end, absolurely no end justifies animal torture the way we humans daily practice it.

To your question : Are we going to lose our respect for them? my answer was : Yes, in my case. And I dont have any beloved model that is still alive, sadly.

I dont read fashion magazines, I like to be mentally stimulated, and paying for pages of advertisement for products that dont interest me would make no sense.
No need to focus on renown fashion brands for which I have no admiration whatsoever. Fashion doesnt interest me at all. I wouldnt take that Chanel handbag if you gave it to me. I believe those companies actually dont care where their skins/fur come from, like we've seem lately with the snake and crocodile ones (Gucci, again). Like they dont care either about the carcinogenic products they use in their cosmetics or perfumes most people are so excited about. But as always, people dont want to be bothered and know what happens behind the scenes. Which is a shame because those brands would have disappeared by now.

Re - Michael, I dont think I've expressed my feelings on the matter. As a matter of fact, there are several things he did I didnt agree with. Leather jackets, zoos, and KFC are some of them.

Just to be clear : I am not a Janet hater. Was quite a fan actually, she did a great show in Paris last june.


Now I believe this thread is not about me. So BOT, thank you.

It's not my intention to be aggressive. I like seeing different point of views. At times, I'm stimulated when having an intelligent discussion with people with different opinions.

In this case, it's apparent we don't see thing eye-to-eye. We have different backgrounds, experience and values. While you said you have lost respect for a spokeswoman of a fur company, as a person. I said "Hold on. There are so many others doing the same thing. There are so many other people mistreating animals in very nonsensical ways." In our discussion, I may have subconsciously forced my opinion upon you. I should have acknowledged that animal right is a value you hold a special place in your heart. For that, I apologize. I should be more sensitive.

I have voiced my opinion on this issue. I don't believe in cheap gimmick and find PETA to be ridiculous. Consuming animals for human needs is cruel. The tricky thing is that the practice dates far back and is viewed as a mean for human survival. To complicate matter, the multi-billion fashion and food industries are advocating such practice for the name of profit.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to offer any practical and ethical solutions about using animal skin. It takes the entire population to change their way of living.

Lastly, happy new year!

 

[Ben]

In this case, it's apparent we don't see thing eye-to-eye. We have different backgrounds, experience and values. While you said you have lost respect for a spokeswoman of a fur company, as a person. I said "Hold on. There are so many others doing the same thing. There are so many other people mistreating animals in very nonsensical ways." In our discussion, I may have subconsciously forced my opinion upon you. I should have acknowledged that animal right is a value you hold a special place in your heart. For that, I apologize. I should be more sensitive.

I have voiced my opinion on this issue. I don't believe in cheap gimmick and find PETA to be ridiculous. Consuming animals for human needs is cruel. The tricky thing is that the practice dates far back and is viewed as a mean for human survival. To complicate matter, the multi-billion fashion and food industries are advocating such practice for the name of profit.

I'm not knowledgeable enough to offer any practical and ethical solutions about using animal skin. It takes the entire population to change their way of living.

Lastly, happy new year!

I think there are not that many differences between our opinions actually. I mainly blame the keyboards for the miscommunication.

There are so many other people mistreating animals in very nonsensical ways : I totally agree. It even has become some kind of unconsciously accepted fact that most dont even think about. But because animals are tortured for food doesnt mean their "use" for something else cant be fought. Like you said, it's a complex issue. You fight one battle at a time to win a war. I dont know if I'm making more sense though. lol

Like I've said in previous posts, I think this statement is ridiculous indeed, because they use arguments that have nothing to do with the use of fur. It sounds very childish (not in a good way).

Finally, thank you for your wishes. Wish this new year will be sweet and filled with love.

 

[Petrarose]

And, do you remember the news about a guy in Ohio owning a private zoo that consists of many wild animals, such as lions and tigers, chimps? Some of the exotic animals he owned are closed to extinction. One day, he opened the gate of his zoo and committed suicide. The animals ended up running wild in town. For public safety concern, the police had no choice but to gun down all the animals. Only a couple were rescued. All the lions and tigers were killed needlessly.

There are other things an animal right advocay can do, such as urging state governemnets to tighten up laws on animal ownership. There are many things that need to be done to ensure more ethical treatments of animals. Things such as eliminating waste in food and more regulations in pet/animal ownership.

^^Very good points.

Thunder interesting that you do not wear leather. I am one of those people that believe that the best things for humans are what is natural or once a living tissue/organism. Therefore, I personally wear natural fibers on my body as much as possible, like cotton, silk, linen, wool. I am even more particular about the feet, so I use leather not plastic on my feet. I tend to stay away from man made synthetic materials.

Part of my habits are based on the fact that I feel when humans appeared on the scene, God provided them with plants/animals/water to use for their food, shelter and clothing. God must have known that if they were cold they could not go to the store and get a coat to buy that was not made of some type of animal skin. Even the sandals they wore were made of animal skin or wood. Everything was natural back then. Therefore, to me wearing the skin of an animal is not wrong. What I see is wrong is the treatment of the animal and the method used to cause its death. The same goes for plants, because they have life--we should reap them with respect. Some people still say a prayer when they cut down trees.

 

[Ben]

The same goes for plants, because they have life--we should reap them with respect. Some people still say a prayer when they cut down trees.

:bow:

 

[schizophrenic]

screw PETA

nuff said