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Oprah Show on Michael jackson's new album 'Michael' *Update Post 994*

I don't think anyone here wants to say anything bad about the Jacksons but come on how can you ignore there behavior since June 25 2009?
 
Travis said:
I know Oprah has been a thorn in MJ's side for many years but she is powerful and this will be great promotion for his album. Gotta give the devil his due.

As for the Cascios debate, I'm so over it. I'm enjoying the music as it should be enjoyed. I'm not letting the same type of rumors and lies made about MJ cross over in to his music. I feel sorry for those who do.
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:clapping::clapping::yes::yes: I completely agree with both!! Thank you!!!
 
I love the fact that the Cascio's were close to MJ and made him feel like family. It's just a shame that Mike didn't feel that with his own family.

Soundmind,

your post above was excellent
 
Justthefacts said:
I don't think anyone here wants to say anything bad about the Jacksons but come on how can you ignore there behavior since June 25 2009?
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Totally agree.. Their behavior from June 25,2009 until now has been absolutely awful. I knew they were always wishy washy about MJ, but I had no idea that they would throw their own son/sibling under the bus like they have especially since he's dead. I lost all respect for the family since MJ's death and the only ones I will support is Prince, Paris and Blanket.
 
StacyJ said:
I lost all respect for the family since MJ's death and the only ones I will support is Prince, Paris and Blanket.
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How is it supporting Prince, Paris and Blanket when we are so openly criticizing their own family? Let's face it. Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr, Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson II are members of the JACKSON family. Look at their names. They are the Jacksons. They are living with Katherine in the family compound now. Like it or not, they call Joe grandpa, they call Jermaine uncle and they call LaToya aunt. They are their blood relatives.

Talking about hypocrisy. There are fans who called out fans who don't support the Cascio tracks. They are saying fans are hurting the children because fans are doubting their daddy's vocal. How is it not hurting the childrean when fans are treating their own family like they are enemies of their father?

I don't admire the Jacksons. Their behaviors are sometimes questionable. But, I'm not helping if I show my anger and hostility in a public forum. We can rant and rant, but we certainly won't change their behavior. The only thing I can help is to remain silent and give them respect (whether they deserve it or not). I love Michael and respect him. I want to be like him. He taught us the importance of family, love and forgiveness. Seriously, how many fans remember his true values?

I can't do much for the children, except for keeping them in my heart and praying for them. Fortunately, these children are strong and smart. Based on the Oprah interview, they are adjusting well. Paris' confidence is bleaming. They are true testament of how great a father Michael was.

We keep talking about spreading Michael's message of love. But, if you take a look to the posts in this thread, the posts with anger and hatred outweight the one with consideration and forgiveness. Isn't it ironic?
 
MJ Crazy said:
Michael shared love and joy with this family. He must have felt safe and loved in their presence. What a gift for him!

How wonderful and heartbreaking that he spoke to them only days before his death.

I'm at peace and over the controversy about the Cascio tracks. Believe what you need to believe.

We all want the same thing: Michael with us.
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See, I think there is a reason that a few people that knew and loved him have very personal little memories that they shared with the world. Those little divine comforts they have.

Cascio Sr. held back tears recounting that they all happened to have been around the day he called, 3 days before passing. Little did they know, but they have been blessed with "one last goodbye", they have.

Michael Bearden was sharing his cherished "God bless you" moment in TII, he spoke about that on facebook and how much that means to him, what he felt in that second. Same goes for the guitarist who said the last time he saw him he didn't return to his station etc= he has a memory of a very special feeling.

June Gatlin has a very cherished memory in form of a moving journal entry.

It is not coincidental that some people in his vicinity have these beautiful memories. There's a reason these people can hold onto these little comforts. They cherish Michael and he simply cherishes them back. That is priceless.
 
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love is magical said:
How is it supporting Prince, Paris and Blanket when we are so openly criticizing their own family? Let's face it. Prince Michael Joseph Jackson, Jr, Paris-Michael Katherine Jackson and Prince Michael Jackson II are members of the JACKSON family. Look at their names. They are the Jacksons. They are living with Katherine in the family compound now. Like it or not, they call Joe grandpa, they call Jermaine uncle and they call LaToya aunt. They are their blood relatives.

Talking about hypocrisy. There are fans who called out fans who don't support the Cascio tracks. They are saying fans are hurting the children because fans are doubting their daddy's vocal. How is it not hurting the childrean when fans are treating their own family like they are enemies of their father?

I don't admire the Jacksons. Their behaviors are sometimes questionable. But, I'm not helping if I show my anger and hostility in a public forum. We can rant and rant, but we certainly won't change their behavior. The only thing I can help is to remain silent and give them respect (whether they deserve it or not). I love Michael and respect him. I want to be like him. He taught us the importance of family, love and forgiveness. Seriously, how many fans remember his true values?

I can't do much for the children, except for keeping them in my heart and praying for them. Fortunately, these children are strong and smart. Based on the Oprah interview, they are adjusting well. Paris' confidence is bleaming. They are true testament of how great a father Michael was.

We keep talking about spreading Michael's message of love. But, if you take a look to the posts in this thread, the posts with anger and hatred outweight the one with consideration and forgiveness. Isn't it ironic?
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Wonderful post--To me it makes me aware that individual lives (Prince, Paris, Blanket) are connected to others (The JACKSONS). and as a result, hurtful comments about one of the individuals will hurt the other, because they are connected.
 
Soundmind;3123787 said:
We praise the Cascios because they deserve to be praised; we get outraged at most of the Jacksons because their actions have been outrageous. “It’s inappropriate to overly praise the Cascios, while criticising the Jacksons”!!!! No, neither had to do with the other.Both The Cascios & the Jacksons had had the fans community support since forever. Cascios, even though they knew him for ages, even though they were offered astronomical figures by the media & threatened by the prosecutors to turn against him, they declined. They were there for him during the allegations. On personal level they offered him a sanctuary from the obsessed world. After his death Michael Jackson the person, the personality, the character was protected. After his death they did not allow themselves to judge him publically like his OWN mother and siblings did, they did not act “oh my God finally I can speak freely”. They kept everything to themselves. They HOUNORD HIM in death as they did in life. Thus rightfully love & respect continue toward them .On the other Hand, when the Casicos declined the offers by the media, Latoya was busy collecting “documentation” of her brother “criminal behaviour”. When MJ was being ripped of his dignity & pride standing that trial his younger brother was doing deals he knew they meant MJ’s financial ruin only because those deals would get him a cut. When MJ was a broken nomad, Jermaine was busy making deals with Sheikhs and later shady characters like Tohme again for a cut. He forgave them . NONE OF THEM EVEN ATTEMPETED TO APOLOGIZE. None of them admitted they did him wrong. Although he forgave them , he did not forget ,he chose to run away AGAIN. He did not get back at them. Janet like the rest of them did not “understand nor comprehend” his actions, or should I say RE actions. Once again he became the one to be blamed . It’s the drugs. It’s Raymone’s fault. Its Grace’s fault .It’s Klein’s fault but God forbids her or anyone in that family admit it’s their fault he’s running away again.He died. They were saddened by his death, sure. Grieving, sure. But within hours they were back to their old selves. Nothing changed. No regrets whatever .No learned lessons. No second thoughts. No we did him wrong. None of that. They want to benefit from a lawsuit. They want to polish the family’s image. They want to be accepted by Oprah and her audience. They want to sell interviews. Go do it, but do it please with some dignity.Why everything they want has to be gained on his expense? Why are they twisting the facts ? Why representing him as a craving drug addict ? does a settlement worth tranishing his memory? Why the world has to laugh with Oprah at his “toothpick” nose? Have not they laughed enough? If Kline produced a fake song, rather than claiming MJ was peeing in front of kids all the time, I would not have hated Klein the way I do now. Is it of great urgency to rant 24/7 days against Frank& his family while Klein gets a pass on everything he claimed?If Lester came up with the worst demo ever and presented it as MJ’s rather than claiming MJ wanted his semen, I would not have been that much bothered. Where were you when Lester was all over the place? now you want to protect MJ’s legacy from a “fake” song but what Lester claim was not serious enough to even tweet about? “ Michael Jackson what could hurt you the most , Eddie claiming your voice is on Breaking News or Latoya’s claim you told her Blanket was a Mexican boy ?” What action deserves the much outrage from 3T when it comes to MJ? A song or his beloved Blanket. Answer that. The hypocrisy is what killing us. He sure forgave them but we are yet to see evidence suggesting his efforts to forgive have paid off."He loved them, they loved him, he forgave them, we don't know what really happened, give them a break , they are family , who are we to judge" How many times will they get a pass for these excuses? "Paris, Prince & Blanket love them that what matters" . " I don't think they are telling them he was an addict" , I completely agree. Do you think Latoya told them she publically claimed they were not really his kids for some $$$$? I don't Do you think they told them Schaffel was on the stand telling a judge MJ sent him to South America to pay off boys? I don'tDo you think Randy told them I was fueling the stories questioning your dad parenty ? I don'tDo you think Katherine told them how Oprah treated him and how low she wanted everyone to think of him for years? I don't Do you think any of the siblings or parents ranting about his drugs and their so called interventions told them we are telling everyone your dad was on drugs all the time while you were in Bahrain, ireland and Vegas? No they won't. The kids were there with him and they would know their family is telling them BS. Do you think those kids will be happy after knowing all that? Sure, no. The face they are seeing is different from the face we are seeing. That when the word FAKE need to be used . Keep in mind it was decades later when the world realized the Jacksons' "happiness" was FAKE.
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I applaud again.:clapping:
 
I like the "candy counter" part, reminding me of "me me me..." in LWMJ. So cute! :)
Wondering Michael still did not gain any weight after all that? Man, I have a sweet tooth, and that puts a lot of weight on my body... :)
 
love is magical said:
How is it supporting Prince, Paris and Blanket when we are so openly criticizing their own family? .


I The only thing I can help is to remain silent and give them respect (whether they deserve it or not). I

I can't do much for the children, except for keeping them in my heart and praying for them. Fortunately, these children are strong and smart. Based on the Oprah interview, they are adjusting well. Paris' confidence is bleaming. They are true testament of how great a father Michael was.

We keep talking about spreading Michael's message of love. But, if you take a look to the posts in this thread, the posts with anger and hatred outweight the one with consideration and forgiveness. Isn't it ironic?
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Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with some parts of your post.

Yes, unfortunately those children have no choice but live with Michael's family, BUT why can't we as fans separate those two? Those kids are still too young to understand the truth, but when they are full grown and they start getting the bulk of Michael's estate they will feel exactly what Michael felt about his own family. And that to me, is very very sad. I pray those kids have the strength to fight off their greedy and jealous relatives.

Michael clearly separated himself from his family for years before his death, that is no secret. There is a reason for that. We all know why. And frankly, after his death, the truth has revealed itself even more. Michael did not trust them period. Greed, jealousy, power, etc. We all know about Joe, his own mother going to Oprah and saying all the disparaging things she said about him (toothpick nose, drug addict), Janet - talking about drugs, Rebbie the same - La Toya, brothers,- selling tabloid stories, nephews- causing all this controversy.

I have to say I totally believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. I have tried to do this with his family, but time and time again they reveal their true colors - there comes a time when you just can't do it anymore. I don't undertand how anybody can have ANY respect for the Jacksons AT ALL- They do not deserve any! Yes, of course they are grieving, but wow what a disgusting way to show your loss- it is despicable. And frankly, I am not at all surprised (although Katherine I am totally shocked).

No wonder Michael chose another family to seek the love and support he truly deserved. He trusted the Cascios like he never trusted his own family, and now I can see clearly why. The Cascio family was Michael's
chosen family and I thank GOD he had them. He clearly was so happy with them. I thank the Cascio's from the bottom of my heart.

And one more note, I can see why the Jacksons are jealous of the Cascios. And who are they to blame for that? They should have looked t themselves like Michael says: AND MADE A CHANGE!
 
tricia70 said:
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with some parts of your post.

Yes, unfortunately those children have no choice but live with Michael's family, BUT why can't we as fans separate those two? Those kids are still too young to understand the truth, but when they are full grown and they start getting the bulk of Michael's estate they will feel exactly what Michael felt about his own family. And that to me, is very very sad. I pray those kids have the strength to fight off their greedy and jealous relatives.

Michael clearly separated himself from his family for years before his death, that is no secret. There is a reason for that. We all know why. And frankly, after his death, the truth has revealed itself even more. Michael did not trust them period. Greed, jealousy, power, etc. We all know about Joe, his own mother going to Oprah and saying all the disparaging things she said about him (toothpick nose, drug addict), Janet - talking about drugs, Rebbie the same - La Toya, brothers,- selling tabloid stories, nephews- causing all this controversy.

I have to say I totally believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. I have tried to do this with his family, but time and time again they reveal their true colors - there comes a time when you just can't do it anymore. I don't undertand how anybody can have ANY respect for the Jacksons AT ALL- They do not deserve any! Yes, of course they are grieving, but wow what a disgusting way to show your loss- it is despicable. And frankly, I am not at all surprised (although Katherine I am totally shocked).

No wonder Michael chose another family to seek the love and support he truly deserved. He trusted the Cascios like he never trusted his own family, and now I can see clearly why. The Cascio family was Michael's
chosen family and I thank GOD he had them. He clearly was so happy with them. I thank the Cascio's from the bottom of my heart.

And one more note, I can see why the Jacksons are jealous of the Cascios. And who are they to blame for that? They should have looked t themselves like Michael says: AND MADE A CHANGE!
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I worry for the kids. I hope they don't forget their time with Michael. I know that might seem impossible but they are so young especially Blanket.
 
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tricia70 said:
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with some parts of your post.

Yes, unfortunately those children have no choice but live with Michael's family, BUT why can't we as fans separate those two? Those kids are still too young to understand the truth, but when they are full grown and they start getting the bulk of Michael's estate they will feel exactly what Michael felt about his own family. And that to me, is very very sad. I pray those kids have the strength to fight off their greedy and jealous relatives.

Michael clearly separated himself from his family for years before his death, that is no secret. There is a reason for that. We all know why. And frankly, after his death, the truth has revealed itself even more. Michael did not trust them period. Greed, jealousy, power, etc. We all know about Joe, his own mother going to Oprah and saying all the disparaging things she said about him (toothpick nose, drug addict), Janet - talking about drugs, Rebbie the same - La Toya, brothers,- selling tabloid stories, nephews- causing all this controversy.

I have to say I totally believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. I have tried to do this with his family, but time and time again they reveal their true colors - there comes a time when you just can't do it anymore. I don't undertand how anybody can have ANY respect for the Jacksons AT ALL- They do not deserve any! Yes, of course they are grieving, but wow what a disgusting way to show your loss- it is despicable. And frankly, I am not at all surprised (although Katherine I am totally shocked).

No wonder Michael chose another family to seek the love and support he truly deserved. He trusted the Cascios like he never trusted his own family, and now I can see clearly why. The Cascio family was Michael's
chosen family and I thank GOD he had them. He clearly was so happy with them. I thank the Cascio's from the bottom of my heart.

And one more note, I can see why the Jacksons are jealous of the Cascios. And who are they to blame for that? They should have looked t themselves like Michael says: AND MADE A CHANGE!
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WOW This is exactly what I think of it :yes:
 
tricia70 said:
Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with some parts of your post.

Yes, unfortunately those children have no choice but live with Michael's family, BUT why can't we as fans separate those two? Those kids are still too young to understand the truth, but when they are full grown and they start getting the bulk of Michael's estate they will feel exactly what Michael felt about his own family. And that to me, is very very sad. I pray those kids have the strength to fight off their greedy and jealous relatives.

Michael clearly separated himself from his family for years before his death, that is no secret. There is a reason for that. We all know why. And frankly, after his death, the truth has revealed itself even more. Michael did not trust them period. Greed, jealousy, power, etc. We all know about Joe, his own mother going to Oprah and saying all the disparaging things she said about him (toothpick nose, drug addict), Janet - talking about drugs, Rebbie the same - La Toya, brothers,- selling tabloid stories, nephews- causing all this controversy.

I have to say I totally believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. I have tried to do this with his family, but time and time again they reveal their true colors - there comes a time when you just can't do it anymore. I don't undertand how anybody can have ANY respect for the Jacksons AT ALL- They do not deserve any! Yes, of course they are grieving, but wow what a disgusting way to show your loss- it is despicable. And frankly, I am not at all surprised (although Katherine I am totally shocked).

No wonder Michael chose another family to seek the love and support he truly deserved. He trusted the Cascios like he never trusted his own family, and now I can see clearly why. The Cascio family was Michael's
chosen family and I thank GOD he had them. He clearly was so happy with them. I thank the Cascio's from the bottom of my heart.
And one more note, I can see why the Jacksons are jealous of the Cascios. And who are they to blame for that? They should have looked t themselves like Michael says: AND MADE A CHANGE!
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I totally agree with you. Why can't we call out what the Jacksons are doing wrong? Katherine never called out Joe about his beating Michael and we all know what damage was done to our angel. Now they're saying questionable things to the media and we don't know what kind of trauma it could cause MJ3. So we're supposed to let it go and let them be hurt. Very sad situation.

Also, we now know how very close The Cascios were to Michael and his kids and yet nothing about them in the will???
*going to conspiracy thread to ask a question*:D
 
riviera1992 said:
I totally agree with you. Why can't we call out what the Jacksons are doing wrong? Katherine never called out Joe about his beating Michael and we all know what damage was done to our angel. Now they're saying questionable things to the media and we don't know what kind of trauma it could cause MJ3. So we're supposed to let it go and let them be hurt. Very sad situation.

Also, we now know how very close The Cascios were to Michael and his kids and yet nothing about them in the will???
*going to conspiracy thread to ask a question*:D
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Whoa! Finally.....Good observation.:)
 
riviera1992 said:
Also, we now know how very close The Cascios were to Michael and his kids and yet nothing about them in the will???
*going to conspiracy thread to ask a question*:D
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It's not like Michael left stuff to hundreds of people and omitted them. So it doesn't mean a thing. (with this logic you can also say "as we know how close Michael was to Elizabeth Taylor, Miko Brando etc etc and yet nothing about them in his will?". ) His will is simple : his mother is taken care of in her lifetime and everything goes to his kids.
 
riviera1992 said:
I totally agree with you. Why can't we call out what the Jacksons are doing wrong? Katherine never called out Joe about his beating Michael and we all know what damage was done to our angel. Now they're saying questionable things to the media and we don't know what kind of trauma it could cause MJ3. So we're supposed to let it go and let them be hurt. Very sad situation.

Also, we now know how very close The Cascios were to Michael and his kids and yet nothing about them in the will???
*going to conspiracy thread to ask a question*:D
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What exactly have you acheived in calling the family out? Are you helping the children? Did the children look like they suffer continuous trama on the Grammy's, on the Oprah show?

Except for praying for the children, what exactly can you do to help the children? The truth is we don't know them at all. We are not their family. Katherine Jackson is their guardian. It's Michael's wish to have his mother taking care of his children.

I guess some of you really should stop insinuating that the Jacksons are hurting the children. At least, respect the family's privacy and respect Michael's wishes.
 
love is magical said:
What exactly have you acheived in calling the family out? Are you helping the children? Did the children look like they suffer continuous trama on the Grammy's, on the Oprah show?

Except for praying for the children, what exactly can you do to help the children? The truth is we don't know them at all. We are not their family. Katherine Jackson is their guardian. It's Michael's wish to have his mother taking care of his children.

I guess some of you really should stop insinuating that the Jacksons are hurting the children. At least, respect the family's privacy and respect Michael's wishes.
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Partially agree with your post...but I truly believe MJ would be VERY VERY disappointed in Katherine right now. My opinion.

We all know how far he went to protect them, to know she signed a contract binding them to a pornographer is just insanity.

No way would MJ be happy about that and people who were close to MJ aren't happy either.

Had he known his mom would be selling out his kids, I doubt he would set the will up the way he did. even us, we believe MJ when he said his mom was a saint (though Latoya exposed that lie years ago) ...we thought so highly of her because of MJ.

It hurts to see her defending Howard Mann to the LA Times. A devout witness...

ANYTHING FOR MONEY
 
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Memefan said:
Had he known his mom would be selling out his kids, I doubt he wool set the will up the way he did. even us, we believe MJ when he said his mom was a saint (though Latoya exposed that lie years ago) ...we thought so highly of her because of MJ.
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:scratch:U believe in Latoya's word now? :mello: Are u talking about her book? We all know back then Latoya sold out her whole family! She said Joe beat the boys (which is true) and sexually abuse her or/and Rebbie sexually!:bugeyed Now, that I don't believe!:smilerolleyes:

But, other then that yea, I Definitely believe MJ wouldn't be happy with his kids being involved in such a contract! NO!:no:
 
I don't get why all of you worry about the kids at all. They're filthy rich and will ever be even if they turn 100 years old.
 
Alma said:
Is money everything?

To you, obviously, they are
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Of course not. It's just you hear and read everywhere "oh we need to buy this, or we need to buy that, we need to support this new album (no matter what crap it is) so the kids will be fine." It's ridiculous IMO.
 
bluetopez said:
:scratch:U believe in Latoya's word now? :mello: Are u talking about her book? We all know back then Latoya sold out her whole family! She said Joe beat the boys (which is true) and sexually abuse her or/and Rebbie sexually!:bugeyed Now, that I don't believe!:smilerolleyes:

But, other then that yea, I Definitely believe MJ wouldn't be happy with his kids being involved in such a contract! NO!:no:
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No, I do believe she is a liar and a profiteer. But what she said about Katherine begin as driven by money as Joe, was proven true since June 25th 2009.

Katherine herself confirmed her partnership with a vile man is solely based on money.

So going back to what Latoya wrote and what Katherine said to the LA Times and her behaviour since June 09....you will probably come up with a similar conclusion.
 
Rebbie ran away from the house and lived with the Browns family until she is 18 and married thie son -her husband , Janet ran away from the house when she was 17 and married her addicted husband Latoya ran away from the house and married that monster...Tito and Jackie and Marlon according to MJ got married very early to leave the house, Jermaine prefered to be with Gordy's rather than to be with his family and Michael is competely another story !

do u understand now what kind of a house Kathrine and Joe provide for their children ! can u call this a healthy bringing up ,,,i do not !

give Latoya's book a try you'll understand the deepest things and ofcourse u can leave out her husband input,,,look at the Playboy incident and how MJ and the other brothers reacted.. this book is enjoyable !
 
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