Open General discussion - Katherine Jackson vs AEG

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Thanks for that bouee. So it seems the first meeting Gongaware talked about and attended happened in the first week of June, before the "smoking gun" email was sent.

Yes, I re read parts of Karen's testimony yesterday.

she mentioned the "tough love meeting" mid june, she says Phillips and Ortaga were there. Not PG.

And we have this :
Email from 6/17/09 from Phillips: ...Ortega, Gongaware, Dileo, and his doctor Conrad from Vegas and I have an intervention with him to get him to focus and come to rehearsal (ABC7)

So I guess PG didn't go eventually.

I still feel PG is twisting his story, he could be covering up for Phillips.

Weird also that Phillips doesn't know what Ortega meant "with tough love" and "pulling the plug"..

That early june meeting confirms they were already seeing an issue with Michael's weight then.
 
yes and it's documented.

April 6, 2009 – APS receipt. Lopez recognized document as receipt from with Applied Pharmacy name and address/Conrad Murray name and address, date invoice generated 10 vials 100ml volume propofol
25 vials 20ml volume propofol
Reorder of Benoquino cream 20% 40 tubes/30grams each
(9) normal saline IV bags 1000ml bags
FedEx overnight charge
Identified FedEx shipping receipt dated April 7, 2009

April 28, 2009 – APS order. Telephone order placed by Conrad Murray with Tim Lopez
40 vials 100ml volume Propofol
25 vials 20ml volume Propofol
FedEx overnight shipping charge.
FedEx receipt dated April 28, 2009.


April 30, 2009 – APS receipt. Order placed by Murray.

Lorazepam 10 vials 10ml volume
Midazolam 20 vials 2ml volume

FedEx overnight shipping charge


May 12, 2009 – APS receipt. Murray placed telephone order with Tim Lopez on or around this date.

Propofol 40 vials 100ml volume
Propofol 25 vials 20ml volume
Midazolam 20 vials 2ml volume
Flumazenil 10 vials .5ml volume

(1) Lidocaine cream 2% 30gram
FedEx Overnight Shipping Charge address



May 14, 2009 - APS receipt. Items sold to Conrad Murray
Lidocaine 4% strength cream
FedEx overnight shipping charge
FedEx shipped to requested address in Santa Monica
June 10, 2009 – APS receipt. Conrad Murray placed telephone order with Lopez.
Lidocaine1% 25 vials 30ml volume
40 vials propofol 100ml volume
50 vials propofol 20ml volume
(20) tube hydroquinone 8% strength 60gram/tube
(20) tubes Benoquin 20% strength 60gram/tube
FedEx overnight shipping charge


June 15, 2009 - telephone order placed by Murray
Lorazepam 10 vials 10ml volume ( injectable)
Midazolam 20 vials 2ml volume (injectable)

(1) case/12 bags saline IV bags 1000ml/bag
FedEx overnight charge
 
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let me copy something from judge's ruling on summary judgment

Judge makes a note that Michael retaining services of Murray before AEG hired him could be a factor in determining proportional damages and liability.

this is why the April dates are important.
 
I'm quoting myself here. lol Trying to grab Ivy whilst she is online.

From the summary testimony



Panish: Do you think this is an extortion, shakedown lawsuit? Phillips: Yes or no answer? Yes. Panish: Did you sign a document under the penalty of perjury saying Mrs. Jackson aided and abetted Joe Jackson to extort money from AEG? Phillips: It's possible, I don't remember. "I wish you wouldn't keep calling it a baseless shakedown lawsuit," Phillips told Panish. Panish: You believe this case is an extortion, correct? Phillips: Yes (ABC7)


I don't understand this, why would Phillips not want Panish to call it a baseless shakedown lawsuit.

And what is this sworn document he signed? His deposition?
 
let me copy something from judge's ruling on summary judgment

Judge makes a note that Michael retaining services of Murray before AEG hired him could be a factor in determining proportional damages and liability.

this is why the April dates are important.

If I remember correctly Martinez testified that Murray told him he witnessed Dr.Adams administring propofol to MJ in Murray's office in March 2009 .
 
And what is this sworn document he signed? His deposition?

Yes, I definitely like to know about that myself.

@Soundmind, thanks for that information. I notice they were all delivered by Federal Express. Do we know if ALL of those drug filled FedX packages were address to the "instruments" apartment?
 
This is very sad and I am praying for her. All this turmoil since Michael died must be so hard. I really feel for her. She reached out to Debbie no doubt to help her with all this turmoil and to find some stability. KJ is a major fail as a guardian IMO.
 
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OMG!! I hope this is one of TMZ lame posts and not true???
 
The jury still needs to decide if Murray was hired because there was an implied /oral contract or if Murray wasn't hired because there was no written / signed / executed contract. Ivy

So they should be discussing contract law, no? Instead of all the many side issues. If this is the CENTRAL issue--let's GET IT ON and talk about what is the precedent for oral contracts legally in CA--b/c is it enough to start negotiations on a written contract?
 
If any of this news is true, and I PRAY IT'S NOT, Debbie Rowe needs to go and get her daughter - ASAP!

The Jacksons are obviously too consumed in securing their "big win," that nobody is interested in the well being of Michael's children.

IF TRUE, this is beyond sad!
 
The jury still needs to decide if Murray was hired because there was an implied /oral contract or if Murray wasn't hired because there was no written / signed / executed contract. Ivy

So they should be discussing contract law, no? Instead of all the many side issues. If this is the CENTRAL issue--let's GET IT ON and talk about what is the precedent for oral contracts legally in CA--b/c is it enough to start negotiations on a written contract?

Are you saying that both sides' lawyers and the judge are not being professional ?

The hiring thing is the basis for the claim, which is "negligent hiring supervising and retaining"
 
Are you saying that both sides' lawyers and the judge are not being professional ?

The hiring thing is the basis for the claim, which is "negligent hiring supervising and retaining"

I am saying the plaintiffs and the judge are unprofessional. The plantiffs case is all over the place, a big mess, just throwing spagetti on the walls to watch it stick or fall to the floor. If the key issue is hiring, and you can't talk about supervision w/o establishing the hiring question, then anyone with a brain knows you have to methodically establish hiring. Since the written contract was not signed by 2 of the 3 necessary parties, but was negotiated before, the legal standing of an oral or implied contract in the state of California then is the central issue as far as I can see. So why not present the legal precedents, laws, etc on this issue instead of waffling around the landscape of MJ's life and everyone who came in touch with him???
 
this will come up, I'm sure.

But they have to argue everything, in case the jury says AEG hired or co hired Murray.
Interactions with Murray, for ex, can prove oral hiring.
Michael's health declining - if convincing arguments ar brought up - can establish retaining, maybe supervising.
PG being aware - or not- of previous supicious doctors can prove negligent hiring, etc..

The contract and hiring is not the only thing they have to argue.
 
The Jacksons will definitely try to use what happened with Paris to shame AEG and force them to settle , they are too greedy not to do so
 
this will come up, I'm sure.

But they have to argue everything, in case the jury says AEG hired or co hired Murray.
Interactions with Murray, for ex, can prove oral hiring.
Michael's health declining - if convincing arguments ar brought up - can establish retaining, maybe supervising.
PG being aware - or not- of previous supicious doctors can prove negligent hiring, etc..

The contract and hiring is not the only thing they have to argue.

It's too wide open and nonproductive IMO. Tell me how whether PG sent KJ a condolence card is relevant to the triable issue of hiring, supervision? It is not. This is just one example out of a gazillion of how it's a big disorganized mess and I fault the judge and the lawyers for KJ.
 
The Jacksons will definitely try to use what happened with Paris to shame AEG and force them to settle , they are too greedy not to do so

Well, Randy Jackson has already supplied info to RadarOnline.com - as usual:
http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2013/06/paris-jackson-possible-suicide-attempt-ambulance-drove-over-edge

So jurors will most likely hear another unneeded leading question by Jackson lawyer Brian Panish ("Have you ever cared for Michael Jackson's children?") that will trigger the judge to sustain objection by AEG.
 
Just proves those kids should not added to this lawsuit. Get it together Jacksons
 
michael jackson an 'emotionally paralyzed mess,' aeg email says

by byjeff gottlieb
june 5, 2013, 12:21 p.m.
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-76181192/

Despite the apparent suicide attempt by michael jackson’s daughter, testimony resumed wednesday in a wrongful death case brought by the pop singer’s children and mother against entertainment titan aeg.

Paris jackson, one of the plaintiffs in the case, was rushed to the hospital early wednesday morning, according to sources. The l.a. County fire department described the medical emergency call it received as a "possible overdose."

jackson's former wife and paris' mother, debbie rowe, told entertainment tonight that paris jackson tried to commit suicide.

In its suit, which is being heard in a downtown l.a. Courthouse, the family accuses aeg of being responsible for the doctor who administered a fatal dose of the anesthetic propofol to jackson as he was preparing for his return to the stage.

On the stand wednesday, the chief executive of the company producing and promoting michael jackson's 2009 "this is it" concerts testified it was a "miracle" that the singer showed up at a news conference in london to announce his comeback.

Randy phillips testified that jackson was hung over, although in emails he says the singer was drunk.

"the fact that the press conference even happened is a miracle," phillips wrote to jackson's manager.

In another email he wrote to tim leiweke, then-chief executive of parent company anschutz entertainment group, phillips said: “mj is locked in his room drunk and despondent. Tohme [another jackson manager] and i are trying to sober him up and get him to the press conference with his hairdresser/make-up artist.”

in a second email to leiweke, phillips wrote: “i screamed at him so loud the walls are shaking. Tohme and i have dressed him and they are finishing his hair and then we are rushing to the o2. This is the scariest thing i have ever see. He is an emotionally paralyzed mess riddled with self loathing and doubt now that it is show time. He is scared to death. Right now i just want to get through his press conference.”

in another email phillips wrote to a business partner: “i haven’t pulled it off yet. We still have to get his nose on propery (sic). You have no idea what this is like. He is a self-loathing, emotionally paralyzed mess.

the emails were shown to the jury in the wrongful death suit filed by jackson's mother and three children against aeg live. The jacksons charge that the company negligently hired and supervised conrad murray, the doctor who administered the propofol. Aeg says that jackson hired murray and that any money the firm was going to pay the doctor was an advance to the pop star.

No family members appeared in court wednesday. This is one of the few days of the trial when no jackson relatives have appeared to watch the proceedings.

im disgusted!!!
 
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What I am disgusted by is that these emails have seen the light of day. And what for? negligent hiring of a doctor.
 
^ even for crazy reason like that one im starting to pray they win so these aeg ppl learn a lesson not to communicate like that even if it were emails nd this gets over and done with. What traumatizing year this is
 
^ even for crazy reason like that one im starting to pray they win so these aeg ppl learn a lesson not to communicate like that even if it were emails nd this gets over and done with. What traumatizing year this is

At the expense of the humiliation of Michael?
 
What I am disgusted by is that these emails have seen the light of day. And what for? negligent hiring of a doctor.
I am disgusted with you! Can I also say I am equally disgusted with the Jackson's for allowing this to happen. If they wonder why the children are traumatized they need to only look in the mirror. Their abuse of Michael continues in death.
I am logging off before I get banned...
 
I would imagine Phillips, in that email, was referring to the tip of Michael's nose.

Seems like it, so the tabloids and Tarraborelli (sp) was right. I'm sure Michael really wanted his family to confirm it publicly.

ETA I have to add that I still can't see it being possible.
 
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Maybe it will stop after they settle. Its way too late to in my opinion to say he has not been humiliated. Its out there already. Imagine it being out there without anything at the end.
Absolutely not saying i agree with wat the J's are doin, just hopin it will stop their greed. However i dont how greed ever stops though as it will make them think they gt somethin out of it and continue to do this..
 
so these aeg ppl learn a lesson not to communicate like that even if it were emails nd this gets over and done with. What traumatizing year this is

Im just baffled with the way aeg peeps are describing Michael


Re the nose thing.. wouldnt the autopsy say something abt it?

Anyways.. shame and sad to read this :(
 
The Jacksons will definitely try to use what happened with Paris to shame AEG and force them to settle , they are too greedy not to do so

Sadly, I think you are right. I think Michael's children should not have been added to the witness list BUT they should NEVER have been a part of the lawsuit in the first place. It's the responsibility of the guardians to protect Paris & her brothers and they need to focus on loving & supporting them, instead of pursuing more money for the family coffers. IMHO

At the expense of the humiliation of Michael?

I totally agree with you. Michael is the one being dragged through the mud on BOTH sides and to have this information made public--which is not even central to the legal question--is outrageous. imo
 
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