New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial. [MERGED]

[barbee0715]

Re: New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial.

Dick Wolf is helping them with this channel and Law and Order SVU can be as sleazy as it gets. They did the tabloid version of Michael's case as an episode which ended my watching the series.
They're famous for salacious murder stories like Snapped. (Famous for an obscure cable channel).
I don't expect this to be any good at all.

 

[redfrog]

Dick Wolf is helping them with this channel and Law and Order SVU can be as sleazy as it gets. They did the tabloid version of Michael's case as an episode which ended my watching the series.
They're famous for salacious murder stories like Snapped. (Famous for an obscure cable channel).
I don't expect this to be any good at all.

The only silver lining is that Wolf has nothing to do with the Jury Speaks series.

Oxygen Media will complete its transformation into a crime-themed cable network this summer when it will be officially rebranded as a crime destination network for women with an all-crime programming slate. Ramping up that lineup, the network has ordered two new series: Cold Justice — a new season of the reality investigation series executive producer Dick Wolf, which ran on TNT for three seasons — and The Jury Speaks, which examines high-profile cases through the eyes of the jury.

http://deadline.com/2017/02/oxygen-...lf-cold-justice-revival-picked-up-1201899419/

They have a new article about the MJ case up on their site.
Not exactly horrible but includes some outrageous lies like MJ was charged once again in 2003.
They couldn't get the settlement money right , of course.
They cite a Sun article about creepy lifesized childlike dolls. What nonsense. Those were mannequins and
it's not that MJ tried to hide them from the world. He openly talked about them. And it wasn't
just kids adults mannequins weer there too. And police didn't size any of them.


10 Of The Most Shocking Facts From The Michael Jackson Child Molestation Case

http://www.oxygen.com/the-jury-spea...om-the-michael-jackson-child-molestation-case

This is their take on the Arvizo case:

10. Conflicting stories ultimately led to a not guilty verdict

Gavin said that Jackson told him to marsturbate because men who didn’t masturbate might “rape a girl”, but Gavin had also earlier said his grandmother told him the same thing. The coincidence did not go unnoticed. Meanwhile, his brother, Star, said he snuck into Jackson’s room and observed him molesting Gavin, but the house’s inbuilt alarm system suggested he wouldn’t have been able to enter the room without some fanfare, which would have gotten Jackson’s attention. Their mother also said she observed Jackson licking Gavin’s hair on a flight while everyone slept, but a flight attendant debunked that story too. There was a lot of “he said/she said” during the trial, and a lot of conspiracy theories thrown around, ultimately leading to Jackson's acquittal.

Another article by the same author, sloppy shit with stuff like this:

He was also again charged with administering intoxicants to a minor.

Again? He was never charged of that before.

and this
The prosecution also alleged that Jackson had shown children the homosexual pornography they found at the Neverland ranch in order to groom his victims.

Sneddon never alleged that he only talked about MJ using girly magazines.

A Short History Of The Michael Jackson Child Molestation Case

http://www.oxygen.com/the-jury-spea...of-the-michael-jackson-child-molestation-case

 

[myosotis]

^ Yes, and I didn't like the way that the article ended: I think those who 'believe in Mj's guilt' believed it before the verdict. It's not the verdict that is so controversial, but the reporting before, around and since.

On June 13, 2005, Jackson was found unequivocally not guilty on all charges. The verdict is still controversial, with many believing in Jackson’s guilt.

 

[redfrog]

Re: New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial.

^ Yes, and I didn't like the way that the article ended: I think those who 'believe in Mj's guilt' believed it before the verdict. It's not the verdict that is so controversial, but the reporting before, around and since.

Of course they believe it when you assholes in the media tell them all the time that he was guilty.
And of course they never specify exactly what was he guilty off? Abduction? False imprisonment? Extortion?
7 molestation? 5? four? Two? 2 alcohol? 4? 4 molestation and one attempted molestation?

And those five other people whom the Arvizos accused are guilty too? Frank and Vinnie indeed kidnapped
the Arvizos? Frank indeed threatened to kill their parents?

 

[8701girl]

Re: New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial.

I know right! they are complete evil

 

[MJTruth]

Re: New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial.

I know right! they are complete evil

The problem is many people in the media grew up reading stories about mj and probably believe them to the point of not bothering to research. They assume they're true, which is frankly ridiculous given how unreliable we all know the media is.

 

[seany]

"There was also the famous court case involving the late King of Pop. Michael Jackson may have safely tucked boys into bed during sleepovers at Neverland Ranch, or his accusers’ accounts may have had merit. There will always be the scarlet letter A emblazoned as a reminder on reporters’ laptops: “Allegedly.” Backup dancer Wade Robson testified in court that MJ had never sexually violated him, but would later recant that, explaining that memories had been repressed due to the trauma of sexual abuse and later became clear during intensive therapy. Michael Jackson died and for the most part, so has Wade Robson’s story although former jury members from the Michael Jackson trial are haunted by Robson’s recanting. (Tune in to Oxygen’s The Jury Speaks, premiering July 23rd. One of the cases discussed is the Michael Jackson molestation case)."

Please note that the date given in the article of July 22nd is incorrect. It's the 23rd.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ael-jacksons-lost_us_596a3d5fe4b022bb9372b1fb

 

[seany]

After the Vindication, quite a few fans congregated at a hotel in Santa Maria. One of the fans was called Angel Diaz (a dentist in Santa Maria) and during the trial, she had started dating one of the jurors, 'Joseph Gastelo' - he came to the hotel to talk to the fans and share his experiences of being a jury member. One fan started recorded him but he decided he wouldnt speak if he was being recorded so sadly it was halted.

Joe talked about his feelings of MJ's innocence throughout the 6 months and that the majority of the jurors felt the same way.

He ended up having children with Angel whom I lost touch with sadly.

On Sunday July 23rd, Oxygen, The Crime Series will broadcast interviews with several jurors following the latest allegations. One of those people will be Joe. It will be interesting to hear what he has to say all these years on (and how much he was paid to by the show).

[FONT=&quot]Sunday, July 23 at 9 PM: [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“The Jury Speaks: Michael Jackson”[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The four-night event begins with accounts from Raymond Hultman, Tammy Bolton, Melissa Herard, Paulina Coccoz and Joseph Gastelo the jury who found music icon –Michael Jackson not guilty of molesting a 13-year-old cancer survivor who frequented his infamous Neverland Ranch. But now, after the emergence of new accusers and hard truths about Jackson’s troubled childhood and tragic death, do they stand by their decision today?[/FONT]

http://www.oxygen.com/the-jury-speaks/blogs/the-jury-speaks-4-night-event-starts-july-22-at-98c

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Pointless t.v seems the only people giving this rubbish attention is the fans.who cares what jurrors think now about something they have no clue about ie robson. Their views is as worthless as someone who didnt folllow the 05 case yet talks as if their opinion is based on the facts just because they were jurrors then means nothing other than to get them to now say mj was guilty so the media can put it on their front pages as one more thing to convince the public of his guilt.couldnt convict him them so do it now

 

[ChrisC]

Isn't there already a thread for this?

 

[barbee0715]

Well, it does sound like they're going to tell them only the Robson allegations, and then the jurors are going to be horrified that they let a child molester go free.

It's the same exact thing as back in 2005, where 99% of the news of the case was ONE SIDE-we had no real idea of what was really going on in the court room. You have people like me who knew Michael was innocent, but terrified that he was going to be convicted because of what I was reading-or convicted on the fact that he was eccentric alone-and then you have people that to this day think he was guilty because of only knowing that one side.

 

[barbee0715]

Isn't there already a thread for this?

I think another new thread was opened today too.

 

[redfrog]

"There was also the famous court case involving the late King of Pop. Michael Jackson may have safely tucked boys into bed during sleepovers at Neverland Ranch, or his accusers’ accounts may have had merit. There will always be the scarlet letter A emblazoned as a reminder on reporters’ laptops: “Allegedly.” Backup dancer Wade Robson testified in court that MJ had never sexually violated him, but would later recant that, explaining that memories had been repressed due to the trauma of sexual abuse and later became clear during intensive therapy. Michael Jackson died and for the most part, so has Wade Robson’s story although former jury members from the Michael Jackson trial are haunted by Robson’s recanting. (Tune in to Oxygen’s The Jury Speaks, premiering July 23rd. One of the cases discussed is the Michael Jackson molestation case)."

Please note that the date given in the article of July 22nd is incorrect. It's the 23rd.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ael-jacksons-lost_us_596a3d5fe4b022bb9372b1fb

Contact this idiot if you have twitter and explain to her that Robson doesn't even claim repressed memory.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/author/sweiss-904

As for the jurors how can they be so stupid? Do they really believe a molester and his lawyer
would put a victim on the stand as the very first defense witness as when his testimony wasn't even
crucial to win the case?

Edit: I stand corrected. She doesn't seem to be an idiot actually said she will look at DailyMichael
and will take the Robson repressed memory thing out of the article.

She said:

Thank you. My source was a program that comes out July 22nd. I have to ask the network.

Edit: she took MJ and Robson out of the article. Finally someone has a spine.

And it does look like they are going to use the BS Robson case to manipulate the jury. I am pretty sure without providing to them all the crucial details about the case that expose him as a liar.

Sad thing is that 9 of those jurors were actually quite reasonable and if they knew
all the bullshit about the Robson and Safechuck case I have no doubt
they would reject them too just like they did the Arvizo and Francia cases.

We should be there at reddit to inform the juror who ever it will be about the Robson case.

 

[#MJforever57]

This jury imo will not believe Wade let them going on and use that case it all lies they will see that Wade defend Michael in 2005 his own words i was never abuse by Michael Jackson.


This jury really need to read up on Wade case now because they are not going to get the truth. They need to come to this forum to get the facts of the the case. It unfair for this jury to weight in on this case without knowing the facts it will be wrong.

 

[MJTruth]

I disappoint myself.... I give the show's producer the benefit of the doubt and then I'm let down again by yet more tabloid nonsense.

WHY do these people insist on producing the most malicious content, deliberately aimed at destroying somebody's image? At the end of the day a guilty person could, for the purpose of their show, be proven guilty with straight facts, not misrepresented content or twisted stories. Really, why do they care so much that they have to put the effort in to fabricate their show at the expense of another person? Why do they feel the need to feed the jurors a one sided account of the Robson/Safechuck allegations simply to force a 'guilty' verdict from them? I really hope some of the jurors are level headed enough to see through it, but my guess is this will be cut so that any even handed statement from the juror will look negative.

 

[redfrog]

I disappoint myself.... I give the show's producer the benefit of the doubt and then I'm let down again by yet more tabloid nonsense.

WHY do these people insist on producing the most malicious content, deliberately aimed at destroying somebody's image?

They probably want sensationalist headlines which would be free advertising for the network. That MJ was innocent is not something the media is interest in .
As usual they are using the "Michael Jackson was a child molester" story as a commodity. Media has been doing it for 24 years which actually
shows how sick society really is, because if there was no market for this story the media wouldn't think it's good business.

At the end of the day a guilty person could, for the purpose of their show, be proven guilty with straight facts, not misrepresented content or twisted stories. Really, why do they care so much that they have to put the effort in to fabricate their show at the expense of another person? Why do they feel the need to feed the jurors a one sided account of the Robson/Safechuck allegations simply to force a 'guilty' verdict from them? I really hope some of the jurors are level headed enough to see through it, but my guess is this will be cut so that any even handed statement from the juror will look negative.

It's madness. A jury which found him not guilty when the defense had the chance to present their evidence will now convict him simply because of allegations? Without hearing anything from the defense? By the same token they could have convicted him right after the Arvizos accused him. If they were fair they would say allegations prove nothing especially since they know how much the prosecutors tried to convince them that girls were not around and now Jane Done came up with just as horrible allegations as Robson and Safehuck so should they believe her too?

How come they don't think about the most obvious fact: if MJ had molested Robson. Safechuck Chandler
and Francia he would have paid hush money to Evan Chancller in August 1990 to prevent any investigation especially since
Evan would have been willing to shut up for just 1 million, chump change for MJ.

 

[#MJforever57]

This is call blind justice the ppls do not want to believe the truth it looking them right in the face to them the lie is the truth,

 

[Angel of Light]

Sounds like more biased garbage that will falsely persecute Michael once again. When will this EVER stop? I gave this the benefit of the doubt, but it seems they will use Wade's allegations as a template for this. It's not fair that Michael Jackson is put on trial over and over and over (and over) again for something he never did. Even in death this won't end. :angry:

Is there any way we can stop this from airing?

 

[KOPV]

well this up this upcoming weekend, I'll be watching it.. good/bad, we will find out..

 

[KOPV]

Re: New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial.

a piece of the problem is Michael was to great to comprehend.. people have a 'need' to make sense of things, make human of what seems so superhuman..

 

[chanel05]

Re: For Those Who Attended The 2005 Trial - Remember 'Joe The Juror?'

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[#MJforever57]

Sounds like more biased garbage that will falsely persecute Michael once again. When will this EVER stop? I gave this the benefit of the doubt, but it seems they will use Wade's allegations as a template for this. It's not fair that Michael Jackson is put on trial over and over and over (and over) again for something he never did. Even in death this won't end. :angry:

Is there any way we can stop this from airing?

I agree with you 100% and above it is unfair for them to use the Wade case this jury know nothing about that case. Nothing has been in the news just the TB which is all trash and not the truth. It will be unfair for them to weight in on this case. How can you do that and Michael Jackson is not here to defend himself.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: New one episode special to premiere on Oxygen about the trial.

I am so tried of ppls trying to put the guilty behind Michael Jackson name. In 2005 a jury of his peers found Michael not guilty of all the charges that should be the end of it. If this was anybody else this would have ended but because this is Michael Jackson they still today want to believe he is guilty sad. When are they going to open their eyes and see the truth he was innocent.

 

[Angel of Light]

I agree with you 100% and above it is unfair for them to use the Wade case this jury know nothing about that case. Nothing has been in the news just the TB which is all trash and not the truth. It will be unfair for them to weight in on this case. How can you do that and Michael Jackson is not here to defend himself.

Agreed. What they probably will do is try to make them second guess their decision to acquit Michael by using Wade's allegations. "How do these allegations change how you feel about the verdict you came up with 12 years ago?" Expect a lot of manipulative language to be used. The fact that Ray Hultman is a part of this raises a red flag for me. You already know straight off that there will be some negativity.

As you said, Michael cannot defend himself, making him a much easier target for these allegations than ever before. Michael went to court in 2005 to prove his innocence. He did and his "haters" (for lack of a better word) can't live with that. What can he do now? Nothing.

They want him to be guilty so bad, it's sickening.

 

[redfrog]

As you said, Michael cannot defend himself, making him a much easier target for these allegations than ever before. Michael went to court in 2005 to prove his innocence.

That's why the Estate should be ready to fight these smear campaigns but they never do anything effective ever.
They are trying and convicting MJ for the Robson/Safechuck cases in the media and they just stand by and stay silent
or issue some weak response which makes people think if this is all they can say then they too believe he is guilty.

Agreed. What they probably will do is try to make them second guess their decision to acquit Michael by using Wade's allegations. "How do these allegations change how you feel about the verdict you came up with 12 years ago?

And once again common sense goes out of the window. If Robson had been molested the jury
would have never even heard of him in that courtroom other than, possibly, a prosecution witness.
MJ would have tried to keep him away from cross examination especially since his testimony
wasn't even necessary to impeach Arvizo or Blanca Francia.

And while they say Robson is such a good liars that he could fool Tom Mez and Susan Yu and Scott Ross
and the jury it doesn't occur to them that he is a lying now for tens of millions of dollars?

 

[StaceyMJ]

I've merged the 2 threads on this show, the second thread being about Joe the juror to keep all discussion together on this. Thanks.

EDIT: Just noticed a 3rd thread...all merged here.

 

[KOPV]

^ thanks!

I keep forgetting to DVR it! I'm gonna try remembering tonight..

 

[barbee0715]

I was checking the online TV guide for this show and noticed a new one on Reelz channel Sunday at 6pm.
It's called "Michael Jackson: Not Guilty". Somebody please watch this and tell us what it is. Title highly unusual for Reelz.

 

[KOPV]

I'll have to remember to record it to watch it and not miss it

 

[Angel of Light]

I was checking the online TV guide for this show and noticed a new one on Reelz channel Sunday at 6pm.
It's called "Michael Jackson: Not Guilty". Somebody please watch this and tell us what it is. Title highly unusual for Reelz.

Anything Reelz has ever done on Michael has been utter tabloid garbage. I don't expect this to be any different, that channel is a tabloid itself. I'm sorry to be so negative, but that's the pattern I've seen with them. I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.