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New Claim: Michael Jackson Supported His Dad
10/5/2010 9:25 AM PDT by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson secretly supported daddy Joe Jackson ... according to new legal docs.


In legal docs filed in Joe's wrongful death case against Dr. Conrad Murray, Michael's former alleged manager, Leonard Rowe, wrote a sworn statement in which he claims Katherine acted as Michael's agent, funneling money to Joe for support.

And Joe's lawyer, Brian Oxman, wrote his own declaration in which he claims he prepared financial docs for Michael during his 2004 custody battle with Debbie Rowe. In those declarations, Oxman claims Michael disclosed he was giving Katherine $50,000 a month in the early 2000s and later it went up to $66,000. Oxman says Katherine used part of the money to pay for Joe's living expenses.

The legal docs are being used in the wrongful death case to prove Joe has standing to sue -- in other words, he must show Michael had been supporting Joe during his lifetime.

Michael's camp had no comment.
 
#1, I seriously doubt that Michael DISCLOSED anything to Oxman. LOL!

#2, WHY on earth would Michael have to SECRETLY support his father? Why would supporting your parent need to be a secret. In my opinion, if Michael supported his father, it would have been out in the open, just like supporting his mother was out in the open. No need to be all "CIA" about supporting one parent, but not the other, in my opinion.

#3, It has always been my opinion, that Michael gave his mother money and it was HER decision to break Joe off a piece. I don't even think she did it on a regular basis. In my opinion, when she could or when Joe asked she gave him a few dollars.

#4, a declaration from Leonard Rowe is just too funny to comment on. (As a matter of fact, during the trial, I never heard from or saw Mr. Rowe. Unless I missed it, Rowe only come out from under his rock when it appeared the smoke was clear in order to "help" Michael get back on stage with his brothers.)
 
Oxman affidavit is valid ? Because he is Joe's lawyer.

why didn't Katherine sign an affidavt ? it's the true matter
 
So Mike was inadvertently supporting Joe. So shouldn't his beef be with Katherine and not the estate?
 
i doubt he knew he was supporting his low life, bloodsucking leech of a father.... oops did i say that in print...?
 
marc_vivien said:
Oxman affidavit is valid ? Because he is Joe's lawyer.
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I too have serious questions about Oxman's affidavit. Even if we assume it's true (that Michael gave his mother money) I'm not sure if Oxman could disclose that.

what about attorney- client privilege established when he worked as Michael's attorney on the custody case? To me this seems like a conflict of interest. and he's disclosing confidential information from one case to win the other case for different clients.

Note: I do think that Michael gave money to his mother. However the more important question is that did Michael gave money to his mother to give to Joe or did he even knew that Joe was getting a part of the money?
 
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amazing how rowes in on everything lol its not all to obvious is it lol waiting on his slice of the cake

so why did joe drop his suit asking for payment from the estate if he has all this evidence. dame rowe and oxman are real desperate for $$$$$$$$$$

mj gave his mother money and he may have turned a blind eye if she wanted to use some to give to joe just like she prob gave some to fund some of the deadbeat bros kids but the question should be why didnt mj give joe money directly.if he really wanted to give him money and look after him he would do that. not just turn a blind eye cause he knew katherine was to nice and he was to nice to say to kat dont give joe any. bottom line u may have got some in life but arent in death.and now katherine has either got tough or shes not allowed to give him any. what next the bros asking for money cause mj paid for their kids. same argument as joe would use
 
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I wouldn't be surprised at the arrangement. If Michael would give the money to Katherine, who gives it to Joe, then Mike would not have to deal directly with his Dad on the matter. Katherine would be a sort of buffer.

It would be understandable if Michael felt better doing things this way. :yes:

Wouldn't surprise me at all for Michael to want to support Joe. He loved him, he says so during each J5 Medley in concert.
 
I wouldn't be surprised at the arrangement. If Michael would give the money to Katherine, who gives it to Joe, then Mike would not have to deal directly with his Dad on the matter. Katherine would be a sort of buffer.

It would be understandable if Michael felt better doing things this way.
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yeah i wouldnt be surprised one bit either. the question is how that is viewed in the eyes of the law.
 
*~Tink~* said:
I wouldn't be surprised at the arrangement. If Michael would give the money to Katherine, who gives it to Joe, then Mike would not have to deal directly with his Dad on the matter. Katherine would be a sort of buffer.
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In my opinion, all Michael would have to do is direct his accountant, or whomever was handling his money, to "cut a monthly check" for his father. I would think that Ms. Katherine got her money that way and not directly from Michael, per se, but from someone who was in charge of Michael's money.

I really don't see a reason for why Michael would need to give Joe's money to Ms. Katherine. For some reason, I also don't believe that Michael would not have mentioned in his will that Joe should CONTINUE to receive some type of "support," IF Michael had been supporting him all along.
 
pretty desperate for money, hope they get nothing and stripped outta their last pair of clothes
 
Well if that was the arrangement, then let that arrangement continue with Mrs. Jackson continuing to give a part of her money to Mr. Jackson. It could really be that simple.

Why the urgency to change what supposedly had been working?

By the way, every sibling and niece, nephew, or cousin who was routinely given something by Michael should also be getting a portion also (especially those whom Mrs. Jackson has been helping to support in her household all these years). Maybe Michael was actually using his mother to funnel money to all of them also. So, he got his will wrong and didn't specifically name all these people. Just go ahead and change it now and split the estate umpteen ways so that everyone gets what Michael would certainly want them to have since he obviously didn't know how to explain it all in his will.

And they shouldn't forget Debbie R. I'll bet Michael really wanted her to have more also.
 
Everything has become about the money and not just simply Michael's wishes, whether people like it or not.
 
classic said:
Everything has become about the money and not just simply Michael's wishes, whether people like it or not.
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Everything's been about money since the day he died. It has always been and will forever be about money only.
 
Here we go again with Joe and Oxman. LOL!!

Oh, where are those taped You Tube conversations with Michael talking about how Joe is constantly calling and begging him for money? If I'm not mistaken Michael say's on tape that Joe has all these business ideas, etc and tries to get MJ tied up into providing money. It was on those taped phone conversations that Michael was not aware of by a "friend." Michael was on their running his mouth about everything. LOL!! I think it was the friends husband who released them out in the public. ( Great friends) ( eye roll ) I could of sworn Michael stated that he gives money to his mother, which would be no surprise,I mean Katherine was everything to Michael. I'm certain Michael goes on to say that he knows she gives it to Joe. I can see Katherine footing Joe's lifestyle with Michael's money that was given to her. Why can't he ask Janet?. Why is he so set on THIS money? Why must he re-write the will? I can see if he was included, than yes. Joe WAS NOT included. He needs to stop.

How does he have a leg to stand on if he was NOT included in a legal will? Oxman is ridiculous! Running his mouth as usual with his foot inserted.
 
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Big Apple2 said:
#1, I seriously doubt that Michael DISCLOSED anything to Oxman. LOL!

#2, WHY on earth would Michael have to SECRETLY support his father? Why would supporting your parent need to be a secret. In my opinion, if Michael supported his father, it would have been out in the open, just like supporting his mother was out in the open. No need to be all "CIA" about supporting one parent, but not the other, in my opinion.

#3, It has always been my opinion, that Michael gave his mother money and it was HER decision to break Joe off a piece. I don't even think she did it on a regular basis. In my opinion, when she could or when Joe asked she gave him a few dollars.

#4, a declaration from Leonard Rowe is just too funny to comment on. (As a matter of fact, during the trial, I never heard from or saw Mr. Rowe. Unless I missed it, Rowe only come out from under his rock when it appeared the smoke was clear in order to "help" Michael get back on stage with his brothers.)
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Yup, to all of the above!
 
what I dont understand is , he has nine surviving children. Twenty something minus PP&B grandchildren why cant they now support him.
 
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classic said:
Well if that was the arrangement, then let that arrangement continue with Mrs. Jackson continuing to give a part of her money to Mr. Jackson. It could really be that simple.

Why the urgency to change what supposedly had been working?
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Let's remember that Joe is no longer asking money from the estate. He pulled that request some time back - some say it's a smart move because as he's request was denied by a court he would automatically lose all the other lawsuits.

Now he's trying to establish his dependent status so that his lawsuit against the estate ( removal of Branca and McClain and invalidating the will) and his lawsuit against Murray (wrongful death lawsuit) can be heard.

Both of those lawsuit needs Joe to be a dependent of Michael unless he doesn't have any legal grounds to sue.


*~Tink~* said:
I wouldn't be surprised at the arrangement. If Michael would give the money to Katherine, who gives it to Joe, then Mike would not have to deal directly with his Dad on the matter. Katherine would be a sort of buffer.
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This to me doesn't make any sense at all. In today's world and technology you don't need to see people to give them money. He could have transfered money to Joe's account without even needing to see or talk to him. His accountant/manager could have mailed Joe a check. Therefore Michael could have given Joe money directly without the need of a buffer and without even seeing him.

marc_vivien said:
In legal docs filed in Joe's wrongful death case against Dr. Conrad Murray, Michael's former alleged manager, Leonard Rowe, wrote a sworn statement in which he claims Katherine acted as Michael's agent, funneling money to Joe for support.
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Per TMZ Live Chat - this agent point is important as it claims that Michael gave money to his mother to give to Joe and therefore was directly supporting him.

I guess it will come to determine whether this is the truth or Michael gave money to Katherine but didn't know or determine what she did with that money.
 
cause janets the only one with major money. he wants big bucks each month. they would rather the estate deal with him. even now let mj pay to keep him quiet and they keep out of the way of all this. sums them up really and how mj was treated.
 
All I know is if Michael wanted to support Joe jackson he would've done so as he has done with Katherine all these years. If Katherine chooses to give Joe money from what she got from Michael, then thats Katherines choice!

He's got all those other grown children, why are'nt they stepping up to support good old dad? Give Michael's bank account a damn break!
 
elusive moonwalker said:
yeah i wouldnt be surprised one bit either. the question is how that is viewed in the eyes of the law.
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That's true... :yes:


Big Apple2 said:
In my opinion, all Michael would have to do is direct his accountant, or whomever was handling his money, to "cut a monthly check" for his father. I would think that Ms. Katherine got her money that way and not directly from Michael, per se, but from someone who was in charge of Michael's money.

I really don't see a reason for why Michael would need to give Joe's money to Ms. Katherine. For some reason, I also don't believe that Michael would not have mentioned in his will that Joe should CONTINUE to receive some type of "support," IF Michael had been supporting him all along.
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Yes, it's true that an accountant could be a part of things, yes, of course. :yes: And I agree that likely an accountant handled the portion Michael chose to give to Katherine. That makes sense.

Many times Janet has referred to her Dad as "old school." I can see it being possible that getting a monthly check might be ... a bit against that old school feeling. In spite of differences and emotional scars, etc, I can see Joseph being "old school" enough to not want to receive an official check once a month. It may have less sting coming from Katherine than from an accountant. It is just about dignity and old school ways.

I am not saying I am right, mind you. That is just my feeling on the matter. Many will say I give Joe too much credit. Maybe so. But as I say, Michael did say "I love you Joseph" at every show... that counts in my books for something. I'm trying to see the best in Joe. :yes:
 
*~Tink~* said:
That's true... :yes:





Yes, it's true that an accountant could be a part of things, yes, of course. :yes: And I agree that likely an accountant handled the portion Michael chose to give to Katherine. That makes sense.

Many times Janet has referred to her Dad as "old school." I can see it being possible that getting a monthly check might be ... a bit against that old school feeling. In spite of differences and emotional scars, etc, I can see Joseph being "old school" enough to not want to receive an official check once a month. It may have less sting coming from Katherine than from an accountant. It is just about dignity and old school ways.

I am not saying I am right, mind you. That is just my feeling on the matter. Many will say I give Joe too much credit. Maybe so. But as I say, Michael did say "I love you Joseph" at every show... that counts in my books for something. I'm trying to see the best in Joe. :yes:
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Sorry...but that is the most ridiculous excuse I've ever read on MJJC. This is 2010...not 1482. lol

Joe had a job and a monthly or bi-weekly check from the Steel mill, before the kids made it big..... Oh my.....Nevermind.
 
Memefan said:
Sorry...but that is the most ridiculous excuse I've ever read on MJJC. This is 2010...not 1482. lol

Joe had a job and a monthly or bi-weekly check from the Steel mill, before the kids made it big..... Oh my.....Nevermind.
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Hmm.. I am not meaning an employers check? That is not the same thing. I mean he may want to be seen as Man of the household in some way. It is certainly not out of the question from someone Joe's age. Things were very different when he grew up.

But I am not here to argue. I am here to enjoy MJ and be nice to people. Even if you call me names, meme, I don't want to argue! If I am wrong, I am wrong. No matter to me.

all for L.O.V.E. :)
 
twinklEE said:
Everything's been about money since the day he died. It has always been and will forever be about money only.
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I disagree with this. Everything has been about money since the day he had began performing.-_-

It is very difficult to give the family any credit on some matters. I really want to give them the benefit of the doubt. But they really make it difficult sometimes. It's like they choked the life out of him.

Family is supposed to be a haven from the storm. Not another cloud.
 
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