my initial feelings feel like they're gonna come true

[Soso Deaf]

it's bs they used that many cuz of the sheer size of his room. they cut his bed...slashed it into pieces....tore apart his room. 20 dudes in his room? overkill, much? it wasn't that damn big.

they did it to intimidate...so if a small damn county like sb can invest that much to prosecute him, y the hell can't la produce more than two detectives?

and brother mike and alberto were finally interviewd

 

[indranee]

indranee..i'm sure there are racists on the force but that is the same all over the world. There are also blacks on the force which you would hope would mean that not everyone is going to turn a blind eye to the facts of the case. Murray is also black so if they are indeed racist wouldn't they want to nail him?

this is probably the most public and biggest case these investigators will ever see so i like to think they will take it seriously so they don't end up with egg on their face. At this stage i trust them, i think they have been thorough. they haven't just focused on the easy target of murray, they have thrown the net out much wider meaning they are hunting for anyone that might have been shady in michaels past also. it also means they are not just looking at one option....that this one particular night killed him, but leaving the option open that he was perhaps slowly killed by enablers along the way, leading up to the fatefull night. i'm glad they are taking their time, hopefully they wont leave any stone unturned and the full truth will finally come to the surface.

i'm sure some things we wont be happy to hear about, but as long as its the truth that's all i really want to know.

cheers

of course there are blacks in the force. that doesn't mean they're pro-Michael. the ones that RUN the LAPD have always been against Michael. sorry, it's just my conclusion and my opinion. it's what I believe.

sure, this is a HUGE case, but they've already majorly fucked up the investigation. what does that tell you? it tells me they don't care. they wanted this to be a simple OD. when they found it wasn't, they put just 3 detectives on the case. they took a whole month to move on it. they kept leaking stuff for the defense to prepare PR and a case. compare that to how SB and LAPD handled Michael's case back in 2005 and it should tell you something.

but... ya know... whatever. I have my reasons, you have yours. I'll be pleasantly surprised if this comes to anything. even without the "racism" angle, I doubt anything would happen.

after all, Heath Ledger's enablers never paid up. in many ways, celebrities are expected to OD and to die. that's the saddest thing about it.

 

[Autumn II]

This is why my earnest prayer is that the family band together and stay on this until Michael's death is vindicated, until he is absolved of all blame. My hope is that they know more than we do and that they won't let go or give up. I understand that Katherine is caring for the children and that it is important to focus on their well-being. But I can't imagine what Michael's siblings are doing. I don't even want to think that they are sitting around waiting for some "report" or "investigation" to be completed.

I feel the same. The LAPD have already proven incompetant, in my opinion, or even have deliberately bungled the investigation. I've heard that the family is conducting an independent investigation. I don't know if that means ALL the family, or Joseph has hired private investigators, or what?

We really don't know WHAT the siblings are doing. LaToya expressed outrage, and so did Joe. Jermaine seemed not to comprehend that there was a MURDER? He just prattled on about Neverland and how peaceful it was, and how "he felt his brother's presence there." B. S. He's hooked up some way with Tohme and Colony Capital, and stands to make some bucks off a Neverland theme part. I think we can write Jermaine off as part of the solution. But the others? I hope, REALLY hope, they are continuing to seek justice for Michael and won't rest until they discover exactly what happened. And then, I hope those responsible will PAY for what they did.

 

[Ashtanga]

Jackson Death Certificate: 'Injection by Another'

Posted Sep 1st 2009 7:00PM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's death certificate has been amended -- now listing his fatal injury as "intravenous injection by another."



The document was updated to reflect the L.A. County Coroner's report which ruled Jackson's death a homicide.

The report also showed Michael's main cause of death was "acute Propofol intoxication" and a contributing factor was the presence of mulitple anxiety and insomnia medications in his system.

And now to link it all together ... a police affidavit shows Dr. Conrad Murray told cops he injected Michael with Propofol right before he died.



Read more: [URL]http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PuoGk6Aa[/URL]

Hmmmm... Why the coroner has not signed the death certificate? :smilerolleyes:Well, the coroner who did the autopsy should have signed. It's as simple as just signing. Or does anyone want to sign? :smilerolleyes: Very strange...:scratch:h34r:

 

[ExoticPrincess]

I said it from the start....

Michael got no justice in life and he certainly won't be getting any in death! This whole thing was fucked up from the beginning and they've already painted Mike with the 'drug addict' label (giving the media what they want!), so guess what? theres no justice to be delivered anytime in the foreseeable future!

Its watching how things keep unfolding that just makes me so much more pissed off! Nothing was ever simple for MJ in life and it seems that followed him through to his death!

 

[kasume]

I just think it's strange how the big chief resigned during the investigation. Is that really coincidental or what????

Anyways, does anyone know how long it may take till ANYONE gets arrested????? It's already a freakin homicide. What the heck are they waiting for???

and brother mike and alberto were finally interviewd

are those the two most recent guards or employees of Michael? What did they say?

 

[indranee]

Michael is his assistant and Alberto Alvarez was his bodyguard. he was the one on the 911 call. I think his might be the most important testimony.

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

I just think it's strange how the big chief resigned during the investigation. Is that really coincidental or what????

Its very strange...

 

[Goodbye Michael]

i'm unaware of the ways the LAPD have already stuffed things up, i must admit i don't know half as much of what is going on as some of you. i come here often to catch up on the latest but dont get a chance to read everything. has there been a thread on the mistakes/stuff ups during the investigation or maybe one should be made. I thought they were doing a good job but obviously i don't have all the facts and are a little out of the loop.

 

[AllTheLovelyFlowers]

When I saw Bill Bratten come off vacation and announce his resignation immediately....right in the middle of the MJ investigation....a very high profile investigation....the first thing I thought was that he didn't like Michael and he didn't give a damn how the investigation went....and he wasn't gonna stick around to be forced to supervise a host of manpower to investigate his case. He simply didn't want to be bothered with it. He got the hell outta there and left it for the next guy. Michael was not important to him.

 

[nestacat]

When I saw Bill Bratten come off vacation and announce his resignation immediately....right in the middle of the MJ investigation....a very high profile investigation....the first thing I thought was that he didn't like Michael and he didn't give a damn how the investigation went....and he wasn't gonna stick around to be forced to supervise a host of manpower to investigate his case. He simply didn't want to be bothered with it. He got the hell outta there and left it for the next guy. Michael was not important to him.

it is possible that this may be beyond the scope of MJ and what's going on............Bratton announced his resignation in Aug, but is still serving as chief of police until Oct 31st.

He is taking a job in NYC, with an international security firm..........that is not the kind of job that happens over night, so it may have already been in the works, pre-June 25th. I doubt between Jun 25-Aug 5 (40 days or so) he applied for, etc etc etc and got the job in NYC.

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktla-bratton-resigns,0,6544648.story

 

[HemlockDevi]

so when i figured out this was at the hands of another, i thought the lapd would botch this so bad that they would ensure murray a walk or they wouldn't even charge him.

as warrants were thrown down, the dea became involved, and all the fingers started pointing to murrya, i figured an arrest was imminent. now it's official that it ws homicide...

they didn't seal off the house

they botched the double raid by not getting the warrants for vegas

they let him leave the hospital when they told him to stay

no one's been arrested

now stories are floating around that mj had this deep addiction and got stuff from multiple errors

each and every leak from the lapd, the da, or the family is one leak that benefits murray.cuz now he knows how to plan a defense. he can say that thejury pool was tainted.

he can say that the chain of command, evidence wise, was broken, so many ways to establish doubt and enter that into the minds of the jury

it'slike the lapd is eithe rtaking they time cuz they wanna geteveyrone at once OR they're juggling and playing games not intending to actually prosecute this dude.

when murray released that tape, i knew something big was gonna happen soon. and then they leaked the cod. and now it's official. it seems even his own lawyer thought arrest was imminent....

what do y'all think? they could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd

You are correct; but it is being deliberately done. Murray will walk.

hom·i·cide - The killing of one person by another.
(Murder by any other name)

 

[jrsfan]

I am sure charges will be filed - it took a year to file charges in the Anna Nicole case - so I think we need patience. Jerry Brown as attorney general, I would think would want a high profile case like this one - the better for his political ambitions. Even with the mistakes initially made by LAPD, I think it is a good case because of the timeline, Murray's lack of necessary equipment, not done outside hospital, etc.

If there aren't charges I am sure the Jacksons will file civil lawsuits which may trigger criminal charges. In Deedee's death, Tito & 3T had to file a civil lawsuit before criminal charges as I recall. Tito said after her death they hired a PI & had his own investigation. Bohanna was not convicted till about 4 years later after her death. Justice can be slow. I am sure with Joe & Toya feeling that it was murder (& probably other family members feel the same way but have not said so) they have launched their own investigation along with their own autopsy.

 

[AmberR]

I feel so defeated. It's hard enough that his gone, but if people who are really responsible get off. I don't know. I'm done. The only peace I could get out of this is that the people responsible for this paid. It don't look that's going to happen.

Man this is really f*cked up. What we going to do now.

My worries exactly...so unfair if no one gets arrested even though MJ's death ruled out as homicide...what's next?

 

[Soso Deaf]

bro mike was his assistant and alberto was his guard...u could see him in the footage when mj went to his arraignment so he's been w/ him for a long time

Jackson Homicide -- Focus Only on Dr. Murray

Posted Sep 3rd 2009 2:15AM by TMZ Staff

Law enforcement sources tell TMZ the only person the LAPD is focusing on in Michael Jackson's homicide investigation is Dr. Conrad Murray.

TMZ has been reporting for weeks that other Jackson docs have been scrutinized by law enforcement and the L.A. County Coroner's office. Sources say, however, Dr. Murray is the only person in their crosshairs in the homicide investigation.

As for the other docs who prescribed to Michael Jackson, they are by no means in the clear. There is an active investigation on several fronts for fraudulent prescription practices as well as prescribing to an addict.


See Also

• Jackson Death Certificate -- "Injection by Another"
  
• Jackson Time of Death a Mystery

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0Q3T1aR2l
​

 

[johnlucas]

Soso, I wish you weren't so right, but I think exactly the same thing. I knew it from the moment that they failed to seal off the house with crime-scene tape, and people were tramping in and out. All real "evidence" was neutralized/lost then. And when they waited to raid Murray's offices, for a MONTH. And on, and on. And all that "Michael was an addict" talk. It makes me literally SICK.

That's what gripes me so MUCH about people who come up-in-here and say "Wait for the official results." There ain't gonna BE none. WAKE the "f" UP! Good thing this is cyber-space. Next time I hear that, I'm gonna throw some punches. Michael was worth MORE than that to us! "Waiting for the official results," to me, means giving up. I fought for him in life, and will continue as long as I am able, to fight for justice for his children.

The LAPD teamed up with Sneddon for the 1993 allegations. This ain't rocket-science. . .

mad-as-hell at the inevitable to come. . .

Vic

I slightly disagree with your point about the official results.

While some said "Wait for the official results" expecting to hear the truth, I say "Wait for the official results" in order to better implicate LAPD in the mishandling of this case.

Their official results are only part of the timeline & we can at least make them responsible for the botching of this case. We can use their results & contrast that with pertinent questions about the failure to secure the property properly in the beginning.

We can use their results & contrast with valid reasonable questions.

Unfortunately the authorities have command on crime scenes. All we can do is trace back the facts. They have likely minimized or covered up the truth & there's nothing we can do about that except somehow investigate in secret live on the scene as they do.

What we CAN do is punish them for the poor work on this matter in contrast to the zeal they had for raiding his home 4 years ago.
John Lucas

 

[Miss_star]

:scratch:

So, Ok. Michael was an addict, used drugs and had therefore full of risks. Ok you really believe that he choked with such drugs knowing that he was endangering his own life without first thinking about his 3 children?? Michael would hurt yourself and your children? He would not think of the consequences? I'm sure Michael that he was fully aware of what could happen to him. Sorry, but for me the stupidity and naivete are far away from Michael.

The poster you are referring to was being slightly sarcastic, not actually meaning Michael was an addict

put it like this if this had to happen i wished it would have happ in the uk

why? They would give him 6 months here and change of identity when he got out...you know what it's like in England. The justice system is a joke.

 

[emmah24]

I'm still holding out hope that the correct outcome will be realised, I have to, I simply cant believe that Murray will get away with it.

I do believe that the LAPD investigation has been flawed but I just hope and pray that they are still working out some tricky details or have something more up their sleeves that they are just keeping under wraps. Theres no hard and fast rule on how long this should take. We dont know what they are delaying in, and why, are there some other leads they are investigating, have they made other connections with what they've found so far? We just dont know.

 

[Oceangirl]

I know one thing if the coroner based his results on what Murray has admitted to , then sorry I can't imagine there would be any serious charges filed against him . the only way the DA is going to charge murray with anything is if indeed the coroner determined it was an injection by someone else from the examination they did , not from murray's admission .

why? because Murray is going to say mj overdosed himself , and yes there are cases of propofol overdoses , and if indeed the media reports are true about pills found in mj's stomach and with two empty bottles of lorazepam and midazolam found in mj's bathroom , we can predict what the defense would be .and the doubt will be there , the DA knows there is enough doubt there , Only and I mean it only if they had a physical evidence that murray killed mj ,nothing is gonna come out of these investigations.

as for the LAPD , i can't till this very moment understand how could they fail to search at least his bathroom , even murray's car was searched only on 29th of june , mj's bathroom was searched after the family came in , murray's bag was recovered after the family came and removed everything , in other words the evidence linking murray to propofol was only recovered after the family came and took everything . I highly doubt such evidence is gonna end up in any court of law . impossible in fact . no judge will allow them to use that evidence .

I truly believe they really really believed mj overdosed himself and did not bother looking for evidence . all they care about now is collecting more DIRT ON MJ to sell for tabloids and obtain book deals in the future .

not interviewing the employees gave me the impression that they also tried to believe murray's story , till the phone records came and they were faced with the ugly reality that his story did not make any sense .

from the search warrant it seems they did not consider the fact that murray could have left the house during the night , and without talking to mj's bodyguards i can't see how could they figure out whether that was the case .

to think that after two months the guy who made the 911 call was not interviewed and his lawyer had to go to the media to force the investigators to set and talk with him .
many many mistakes were made , from the way the investigation is going on i had to agree with soso and with alberto lawyer who said he is really not expecting much from them.

 

[Ashtanga]

The poster you are referring to was being slightly sarcastic, not actually meaning Michael was an addict

Ok. Each has your opinion. Everyone knows that in the past Michael has had problems with addiction and he had no children. But for me, "today" with 3 children, in which Michael's life revolved around them. Michael was not an addict and I'm sure before doing anything that he knew would harm himself, he would think of their children because they were always first in his life. To me this is fact and it is ridiculous to say that Michael was taking all these drugs. I do not believe it, I do not believe the police and anything they say. Sorry, but this is my opinion. -_-

 

[mjjfan4ever]

what do y'all think? they could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd

i totally agree. for a moment i thought there would be justice. but we are talking about the LAPD...
I thought i heard on today show .... 2 detectives working on the case... 77- 2 ... pathetic really.

 

[Miss_star]

Ok. Each has your opinion. Everyone knows that in the past Michael has had problems with addiction and he had no children. But for me, "today" with 3 children, in which Michael's life revolved around them. Michael was not an addict and I'm sure before doing anything that he knew would harm himself, he would think of their children because they were always first in his life. To me this is fact and it is ridiculous to say that Michael was taking all these drugs. I do not believe it, I do not believe the police and anything they say. Sorry, but this is my opinion. -_-

My opinion is much the same as yours! :huh:

I KNOW he was not an addict, AND I KNOW HE WAS NOT 'TAKING' DRUGS and so does the other post I was reffering too...I think we have a case of a misunderstanding here geez!!!!!!

I never said he was an addict at anytime. Please read what I am saying ffs

if you still want to argue with me please take it to pm. wth

 

[myfavouritewintercoat]

come on guys, this is important - we are talking about Michael's death. Lets all agree to disagree instead of arguing.

 

[Ashtanga]

My opinion is much the same as yours! :huh:

I KNOW he was not an addict, AND I KNOW HE WAS NOT 'TAKING' DRUGS and so does the other post I was reffering too...I think we have a case of a misunderstanding here geez!!!!!!

I never said he was an addict at anytime. Please read what I am saying ffs

if you still want to argue with me please take it to pm. wth

Sorry, I do not want to discuss with you. No need for PM. I'm nervous about this issue of addiction / addict and just expressing myself badly. Sorry again. What I'm trying to say is that many people believe he was an addict and took all these drugs. I know you do not believe it and I do not believe, but there are many people and even fans who believe and it annoys me because I know it's not true. I do not believe anything the press and the police said.

 

[butterflies]

The poster you are referring to was being slightly sarcastic, not actually meaning Michael was an addict



why? They would give him 6 months here and change of identity when he got out...you know what it's like in England. The justice system is a joke.

Well, I don't want to give any credit to our justice system in the U.S., but people during the trial were pretty negative about Michael getting a fair trial and justice. And the jury found him NOT GUILTY on all 14 charges. So you never know. I'm hoping that we are wrong.
I know that there are many things that Murray did wrong, but is it all circumstantial? Or does that even matter with a case like this one because we know for a fact that he DID administer those drugs???

 

[Asedora]

so when i figured out this was at the hands of another, i thought the lapd would botch this so bad that they would ensure murray a walk or they wouldn't even charge him.

as warrants were thrown down, the dea became involved, and all the fingers started pointing to murrya, i figured an arrest was imminent. now it's official that it ws homicide...

they didn't seal off the house

they botched the double raid by not getting the warrants for vegas

they let him leave the hospital when they told him to stay

no one's been arrested

now stories are floating around that mj had this deep addiction and got stuff from multiple errors

each and every leak from the lapd, the da, or the family is one leak that benefits murray.cuz now he knows how to plan a defense. he can say that thejury pool was tainted.

he can say that the chain of command, evidence wise, was broken, so many ways to establish doubt and enter that into the minds of the jury

it'slike the lapd is eithe rtaking they time cuz they wanna geteveyrone at once OR they're juggling and playing games not intending to actually prosecute this dude.

when murray released that tape, i knew something big was gonna happen soon. and then they leaked the cod. and now it's official. it seems even his own lawyer thought arrest was imminent....

what do y'all think? they could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd

I think you are right. I feel the same.I am SO worried that they didn’t arrest anybody yet. If they won’t what fans have to do? To protest on streets or what?

 

[ConservativeMind]

I.hope.they.all.rot.in.hell!

 

[Superstition]

Actually, I'm thinking we may be getting a more thorough investigation than we may know about... I believe they're taking their time not because things are botched, but because they are building a solid case against this doctor and anyone caught up in doing things they shouldn't have.

Immediately after his death, there were quite a few mistakes made, but I'm not sure if it matters much. This doctor has incriminated himself on a lot of things. It's pretty obvious a lot of people are/were dishing out a lot of drugs when they shouldn't have been. I don't think Murray is the only doctor caught in this web, though his punishment will no doubt be the harshest since he was directly responsible for administering drugs to MJ.

Someone's getting charged. It's not if, if it's a matter of when and with what. That's what I believe. I don't think doctor is a flight risk, so they're biding their time. No point in arresting him on a weak case. There's just so much wrong with the entire scenario that I don't see how anyone could be let off. It doesn't matter whether Jackson was addicted to anything or not. Someone injected him with something that killed him. If someone is suicidal, you don't get to shoot them in the head.

 

[Cris123]

No matter what went wrong that morning, I know this: if you call the ambulance right away and take him to the hospital nearby (with the best doctors in the world, known to bring back the dead), he lives. That didn't happen. Thus, he was deliberately killed.

I am sad though because I know there will be no justice for him. At least not 100%. The media and police had their story from the beginning, no need for the truth for them. Well, God sees all this and he is almighty. I hope he forgives everybody though

 

[Soso Deaf]

i know the police outside dude's home. so they know where he's at at all times. so im not trippin in that regard...however, i hope it's thorough.

i hope the botched lapd searches and their lack of sealing the house doesn't benefit that man at all