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so when i figured out this was at the hands of another, i thought the lapd would botch this so bad that they would ensure murray a walk or they wouldn't even charge him.

as warrants were thrown down, the dea became involved, and all the fingers started pointing to murrya, i figured an arrest was imminent. now it's official that it ws homicide...

they didn't seal off the house

they botched the double raid by not getting the warrants for vegas

they let him leave the hospital when they told him to stay

no one's been arrested

now stories are floating around that mj had this deep addiction and got stuff from multiple errors

each and every leak from the lapd, the da, or the family is one leak that benefits murray.cuz now he knows how to plan a defense. he can say that thejury pool was tainted.

he can say that the chain of command, evidence wise, was broken, so many ways to establish doubt and enter that into the minds of the jury

it'slike the lapd is eithe rtaking they time cuz they wanna geteveyrone at once OR they're juggling and playing games not intending to actually prosecute this dude.

when murray released that tape, i knew something big was gonna happen soon. and then they leaked the cod. and now it's official. it seems even his own lawyer thought arrest was imminent....

what do y'all think? they could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd
 
I agree its frustrating that they have messed it up just like predicted... Whoever oversees the LAPD should look into why they did that... but chance would be a fine thing. Its disgusting the lack of professionalism they show, the whole world is watching them mess this up. Murray did make enough mistakes to convict him but they have leaked info,didn't seal off the house etc.. and messed that up. It makes me so angry...
 
Soso, I wish you weren't so right, but I think exactly the same thing. I knew it from the moment that they failed to seal off the house with crime-scene tape, and people were tramping in and out. All real "evidence" was neutralized/lost then. And when they waited to raid Murray's offices, for a MONTH. And on, and on. And all that "Michael was an addict" talk. It makes me literally SICK.

That's what gripes me so MUCH about people who come up-in-here and say "Wait for the official results." There ain't gonna BE none. WAKE the "f" UP! Good thing this is cyber-space. Next time I hear that, I'm gonna throw some punches. Michael was worth MORE than that to us! "Waiting for the official results," to me, means giving up. I fought for him in life, and will continue as long as I am able, to fight for justice for his children.

The LAPD teamed up with Sneddon for the 1993 allegations. This ain't rocket-science. . .

mad-as-hell at the inevitable to come. . .

Vic
 
I'm afraid you might be right. The two things that really botched the case to me is not sealing off the home as soon as the coroner announced the death AND not even interviewing the people who were actually in the home like the security guards and even the cook. Seems to me, these would be the main folks they would have wanted to talk to. But they seem to be focusing all their attention on drugs and doctors.

I think Michael is gonna end up being accused of his own death. The media has already accused him. The LAPD is next.
 
Soso Deaf said:
so when i figured out this was at the hands of another, i thought the lapd would botch this so bad that they would ensure murray a walk or they wouldn't even charge him.

as warrants were thrown down, the dea became involved, and all the fingers started pointing to murrya, i figured an arrest was imminent. now it's official that it ws homicide...

they didn't seal off the house

they botched the double raid by not getting the warrants for vegas

they let him leave the hospital when they told him to stay

no one's been arrested

now stories are floating around that mj had this deep addiction and got stuff from multiple errors

each and every leak from the lapd, the da, or the family is one leak that benefits murray.cuz now he knows how to plan a defense. he can say that thejury pool was tainted.

he can say that the chain of command, evidence wise, was broken, so many ways to establish doubt and enter that into the minds of the jury

it'slike the lapd is eithe rtaking they time cuz they wanna geteveyrone at once OR they're juggling and playing games not intending to actually prosecute this dude.

when murray released that tape, i knew something big was gonna happen soon. and then they leaked the cod. and now it's official. it seems even his own lawyer thought arrest was imminent....

what do y'all think? they could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd
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I've said from the very beginning that one of the civil lawsuits may have to be against the City of LA. This is the same crew who initially stated that 'no foul play' was involved. They waited a month before they actually started to take out warrents, they did not secure the crime scene -- if MJ does not get justice, then the City has to be in line to pay.
 
And people still believe that the police are investigating... Well, perhaps secretly investigating why I believe it has a lot behind that do not know, but that at some point come to light. And I'm sure is far from what most people are thinking. Everything is wrong since the 25th of June. You can make a huge list. The first big mistake that was fatal to me, was why the police did not shut down the house on June 25? Why did they let the family into the house and take everything that was in there? No one could enter or leave the house that could (and stirred) at home and thus lost all the evidence at the scene of the incident. I really do not understand it... Well, actually I have a thought about it, but I promised myself I would not share with anyone. But just because they have not banned the house and only did so after entering and leaving the family, since one can conclude that it all started wrong. I do not believe all these things they found in the house, someone may have entered the house and deployed by all these things that got to the scene. Anyone could easily enter the house. It is impossible to believe that this is a serious investigation... I really do not believe it.
 
Well, you know what? The media has already put out there what they want the public to believe. That Michael died because he was a drug addict who paid doctors to give him all the drugs he wanted.

If the LAPD ends up not charging anyone, this is going to be the prevailing story. But if it IS the story, I am going to be mad....

Michael will be the only drug addict on the planet whose closest friends and confidants never seen him abusing drugs. Both Elvis and Anna N Smith abused prescription drugs, but there was not one single person who came to the media and said they didn't know anything about their drug abuse. Everybody knew that she abused drugs. And the same goes for Elvis...not even Lisa Marie says that her dad wasn't a drug addict. Because when you are that close to a person, you know it.

And if you bring up questionable people like Chopra, Boteach, etc who got cut off from the inner circle, then I will ask you why haven't people who don't have any axes to grind (like Lionel Ritchie, Diana Ross, Barry Gordy, Liz Taylor, Liza, McCaully, etc) ever said they knew Michael was a drug addict? When any of these REAL friends come forward with a drug story, then I will talk to you about Michael being a drug addict.

Yet, this is the story that we are gonna get in place of justice. How you gonna label a death as a HOMOCIDE and not prosecute somebody? They don't care why Michael died. All they care about is investigating how many drugs they can find and who provided them so they can leak that to the media so they can report every year on Aug 29 a list of drugs Michael Jackson took. The more, the better. Makes me sick.
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
I'm afraid you might be right. The two things that really botched the case to me is not sealing off the home as soon as the coroner announced the death AND not even interviewing the people who were actually in the home like the security guards and even the cook. Seems to me, these would be the main folks they would have wanted to talk to. But they seem to be focusing all their attention on drugs and doctors.

I think Michael is gonna end up being accused of his own death. The media has already accused him. The LAPD is next.
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I totally agree with you.....I think we all have been bitching about this from the beginning of this investigation. I like the rest of you am kind of getting sick of people saying....."wait for the official report." That in itself is crap for the reason as all have stated...to much time lapse in between the time Michael passed and the time they went back into that house...It just makes me so mad that the lapd is dragging their heels on this case. At first I was like .....ok...just let me be patient and let them take their time and do a thorough investigation.....but ...HELLLOOOO......They have all kinds of evidence in front of them now. ....what in the name of God are they waiting for???? They arrested Michael on less evidence than this........ Are they waiting for Murray to kill HIMSELF....they would say "Oh well we have spent enough money on this case anyway". I do not put anything past the LAPD...their track record just sucks when it comes to justice for Michael.
 
Kizmic said:
Is the LAPD getting gifts from anyone right now?
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That really IS the point, sadly. I wouldn't be at ALL surprised about "gits," and thought this from the beginning. At this point, I just hope the Jackson family launches some WHOPPERS of civil suits. As Mello mentioned, the LAPD would be in that number.

My heart totally sank about the chance Michael would get justice, right from the beginning when the house wasn't sealed off. NOTHING found there, or not found there, is admissable as "evidence." NOTHING. Anyone could have taken stuff out or put stuff in. Including that God-forsaken bag of moldy marijuana. As IF. If Michael smoked weed, it would have been of the highest quality, and not some junk lying around in an LAPD evidence room for months, to rot. (ignore that last remark. Sort of. . .)
 
And the Coroner was one day early from announcing the cause of death on the man's god damned birthday! After all this time, we aint heard nothing from him and all of a sudden he gets an epiphany on the eve of Michael's birthday...

"Oh, auhhh, I'm ruling the death a homocide....happy birthday, Michael".

Makes me more sick.
 
I feel so defeated. It's hard enough that his gone, but if people who are really responsible get off. I don't know. I'm done. The only peace I could get out of this is that the people responsible for this paid. It don't look that's going to happen.

Man this is really f*cked up. What we going to do now.
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
Well, you know what? The media has already put out there what they want the public to believe. That Michael died because he was a drug addict who paid doctors to give him all the drugs he wanted.

If the LAPD ends up not charging anyone, this is going to be the prevailing story. But if it IS the story, I am going to be mad....

Michael will be the only drug addict on the planet whose closest friends and confidants never seen him abusing drugs. Both Elvis and Anna N Smith abused prescription drugs, but there was not one single person who came to the media and said they didn't know anything about their drug abuse. Everybody knew that she abused drugs. And the same goes for Elvis...not even Lisa Marie says that her dad wasn't a drug addict. Because when you are that close to a person, you know it.

And if you bring up questionable people like Chopra, Boteach, etc who got cut off from the inner circle, then I will ask you why haven't people who don't have any axes to grind (like Lionel Ritchie, Diana Ross, Barry Gordy, Liz Taylor, Liza, McCaully, etc) ever said they knew Michael was a drug addict? When any of these REAL friends come forward with a drug story, then I will talk to you about Michael being a drug addict.

Yet, this is the story that we are gonna get in place of justice. How you gonna label a death as a HOMOCIDE and not prosecute somebody? They don't care why Michael died. All they care about is investigating how many drugs they can find and who provided them so they can leak that to the media so they can report every year on Aug 29 a list of drugs Michael Jackson took. The more, the better. Makes me sick.
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So, Ok. Michael was an addict, used drugs and had therefore full of risks. Ok you really believe that he choked with such drugs knowing that he was endangering his own life without first thinking about his 3 children?? Michael would hurt yourself and your children? He would not think of the consequences? I'm sure Michael that he was fully aware of what could happen to him. Sorry, but for me the stupidity and naivete are far away from Michael.
 
on jvm it said that a police source said arrest is NOT inevitable due to jackson's drug past....also, the prosecutors are worried that the lapd flubbed and mishandled the initial moments/days of this and that could screw up the case.

so they're saying the da is on board, it's the lapdscrewing it up.

u can NEVER escape justice...be it this life or in the next...NEVER
 
Soso Deaf said:
on jvm it said that a police source said arrest is NOT inevitable due to jackson's drug past....
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Police... is they really know everything. Hmmm a police source said that? :scratch:Well, he must know very well Michael. :smilerolleyes: So if he had problems in the past, he could never be cured and free of this problem with drugs? Ok... Unfortunately, I do not think so. The past is different from this, many things have changed. Now is another time, another situation, another way of life. I do not think Michael knew all the consequences would put their lives at risk. Michael was not a dumb person and innocent that was left to be manipulated by others. I hate when they think of it this way... fragile... I do not think Michael would not think of their children. Sorry, but for me it is impossible to see it this way: Michael addict... is a great offense to think of it this way.
 
maybe now they changed this, it might make a difference. like they don't believe mj was even able to do what some say the doc is alleging....messing w/ the drip. could hoefflin be right and there was lividity present?

Jackson Death Certificate: 'Injection by Another'

Posted Sep 1st 2009 7:00PM by TMZ Staff
Michael Jackson's death certificate has been amended -- now listing his fatal injury as "intravenous injection by another."



The document was updated to reflect the L.A. County Coroner's report which ruled Jackson's death a homicide.

The report also showed Michael's main cause of death was "acute Propofol intoxication" and a contributing factor was the presence of mulitple anxiety and insomnia medications in his system.

And now to link it all together ... a police affidavit shows Dr. Conrad Murray told cops he injected Michael with Propofol right before he died.



Read more: http://www.tmz.com/#ixzz0PuoGk6Aa
 
Soso Deaf said:
so when i figured out this was at the hands of another, i thought the lapd would botch this so bad that they would ensure murray a walk or they wouldn't even charge him.

as warrants were thrown down, the dea became involved, and all the fingers started pointing to murrya, i figured an arrest was imminent. now it's official that it ws homicide...

they didn't seal off the house

they botched the double raid by not getting the warrants for vegas

they let him leave the hospital when they told him to stay

no one's been arrested

now stories are floating around that mj had this deep addiction and got stuff from multiple errors

each and every leak from the lapd, the da, or the family is one leak that benefits murray.cuz now he knows how to plan a defense. he can say that thejury pool was tainted.

he can say that the chain of command, evidence wise, was broken, so many ways to establish doubt and enter that into the minds of the jury

it'slike the lapd is eithe rtaking they time cuz they wanna geteveyrone at once OR they're juggling and playing games not intending to actually prosecute this dude.

when murray released that tape, i knew something big was gonna happen soon. and then they leaked the cod. and now it's official. it seems even his own lawyer thought arrest was imminent....

what do y'all think? they could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd
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ok stupid question time!! in regards to your last point i'm a bit confused, i always thought there were 77 sherrifs involved in the raid because of the sheer size of Neverland and the scale of the search...77 sherrifs couldn't all raid murrays office, they'd have to sit on each others shoulders.....so aren't these 2 different things. How many people were investigating back then, i'm sure the investigation itself was only done by a few law enforcement. I just don't think there is anything untoward about the amount of people they have on this case. as for the leaks and murray being able to form a defense, he will be able to do that anyway because the prosecution has to hand over all the evidence they have to the defence.

but i agree with most of your points. and lets hope the change in the death certificate does make a difference, fingers crossed
 
This is why my earnest prayer is that the family band together and stay on this until Michael's death is vindicated, until he is absolved of all blame. My hope is that they know more than we do and that they won't let go or give up. I understand that Katherine is caring for the children and that it is important to focus on their well-being. But I can't imagine what Michael's siblings are doing. I don't even want to think that they are sitting around waiting for some "report" or "investigation" to be completed.
 
Wow, I was feeling really down before, but after what I just read. I feel 100% better.

So, If the evidence is tainted the have to know why.

The Dr's actions that day speaks volumes. There is a reason why the crime scene was not labeled as a crimes scene from the beginning.

Murray orchestrated that. They must take that in consideration.

That's obstruction right there.
 
Christ, it thought for sure that they would have sealed/locked-down the house....I mean, from what I heard latoya and Janet went in there...

And, yeah, i can't believe that the chef said she hadn't been interviewed by the authorities...like, wtf? The LAPD is covering shit...everyone knows that you interview any and everyone who was present at the time of the incident.

Smells like foul play all around.
 
I think the Jackson family has hired someone(s) to do some investigating and are not just using the LAPD. This may be why no one(Dr. Murray) has been arrested yet or taken to court yet. They want to get everyone involved in the death of MJ and then start taking them to court. I mean, why wouldn't they, MJ had investigators to get information on the Arvizo family during his trial, they know that MJ had shady people working for him. Also Latoya and Joe feel that foul play was involved in MJ's death. I really wish the media would stop trying to be so nosy in this case because they are messing up everything. Just like when the media was trying to report on the war in Iraq giving away locations of the US soldiers putting their lives in danger.

I constantly pray that all the people that contributed to MJs death be brought out in the public and justice prevails in court.
 
I've said this over and over again in my time on this board. I'll say it again. I don't trust the LAPD when it comes to Michael and/or black men.

they're racist bastards.

sorry, but that's how I feel.

this ain't gonna happen.

ever.

ConMan Murray'll get a slap on his slimy wrist and go free. you watch.

it's horrific. absolutely horrific. I hope I am wrong, but I don't think so.
 
indranee..i'm sure there are racists on the force but that is the same all over the world. There are also blacks on the force which you would hope would mean that not everyone is going to turn a blind eye to the facts of the case. Murray is also black so if they are indeed racist wouldn't they want to nail him?

this is probably the most public and biggest case these investigators will ever see so i like to think they will take it seriously so they don't end up with egg on their face. At this stage i trust them, i think they have been thorough. they haven't just focused on the easy target of murray, they have thrown the net out much wider meaning they are hunting for anyone that might have been shady in michaels past also. it also means they are not just looking at one option....that this one particular night killed him, but leaving the option open that he was perhaps slowly killed by enablers along the way, leading up to the fatefull night. i'm glad they are taking their time, hopefully they wont leave any stone unturned and the full truth will finally come to the surface.

i'm sure some things we wont be happy to hear about, but as long as its the truth that's all i really want to know.

cheers
 
put it like this if this had to happen i wished it would have happ in the uk
 
Soso Deaf said:
maybe now they changed this, it might make a difference. like they don't believe mj was even able to do what some say the doc is alleging....messing w/ the drip. could hoefflin be right and there was lividity present?
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They can change the report in whatever they want to, fact is we've got ourselves a homocide here and fairly no chance to bring about justice thanks to the lapd.

Call it 'intravenous injection by another', call it homocide... bottom line is Michael died at the hands of another person (nothing new for us so far).
I wouldn't be surprised if lividity was indeed present.

But like you said, the home wasn't sealed, people weren't interviewed in time, evidence was messed up, stuff leaked that made it possible for Murray to prepare a defense... Need I go on?

And then there's Thome... that guy gives me the creeps for some reason. I know everyone is looking at Murray now, but my gut tells me this guy should be the center of attention aswell. If you look at the pictures with him and Michael, the way he handles him. Thats not right, not one bit.

I hate to admit it Soso, but I fear you are right about this...
 
We can talk and talk, but what can we do? How can we get the LAPD to straighten up? Joe Jackson said that someone should pay. I say someone should go to prison for the killing of MJ. I don't know what to do but sit back and watch a travesty occur and justice not prevail for Michael.
 
Soso Deaf said:
so when i figured out this was at the hands of another, i thought the lapd would botch this so bad that they would ensure murray a walk or they wouldn't even charge him.

as warrants were thrown down, the dea became involved, and all the fingers started pointing to murrya, i figured an arrest was imminent. now it's official that it ws homicide...

they didn't seal off the house

they botched the double raid by not getting the warrants for vegas

they let him leave the hospital when they told him to stay

no one's been arrested

now stories are floating around that mj had this deep addiction and got stuff from multiple errors

each and every leak from the lapd, the da, or the family is one leak that benefits murray.cuz now he knows how to plan a defense. he can say that thejury pool was tainted.

he can say that the chain of command, evidence wise, was broken, so many ways to establish doubt and enter that into the minds of the jury

it'slike the lapd is eithe rtaking they time cuz they wanna geteveyrone at once OR they're juggling and playing games not intending to actually prosecute this dude.

when murray released that tape, i knew something big was gonna happen soon. and then they leaked the cod. and now it's official. it seems even his own lawyer thought arrest was imminent....

what do y'all think? they could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd
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They could use 77 sherrifs to raid his house but only 3detectives on the case? they didn't speak to alberto or brother michael despite repeated requests on behalf of the men to speak w/ the lapd.

That says it all really!!!!
 
Well LAPD screwed it up but I think because it's a high-profile case they are trying to give the impression that they are doing everything that's possible. I have a bad gut feeling that Murray might walk away, he'll probably loose his lisence but I don't see him in jail for 15 yrs. They are more interested in painting this druggie picture than actually finding out truth.
 
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