innuendo141
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Hope its not Thriller 3d, History tour munich or an Xscape re-issue.
ANything else and I'm pretty sure I'll be happy
ANything else and I'm pretty sure I'll be happy
This is getting ridiculous.
Fact of the matter, Onir, is that I just don't like this tour. There are very few positive things that I have to say. Michael's dancing is completely unenthusiastic for the most part. His vocals are painful to listen to (when he is actually singing, of course). The band seems totally uninterested. The greatness that he brought to the table for the Dangerous and Bad tours is missing from any show between 1996 and 1997. And it is in my opinion that the release of this show would not reflect well on a man who is hailed as the greatest entertainer of all time. So forgive me if I don't want to shower this show in praise.
Who are you to tell me that I'm exaggerating? Simply stating that I don't like the HIStory Tour is not breaking any MJJ Community board rules, so I'm allowed to say it as much as I please. You will not attempt to tell me that anything that I say is an exaggeration. Keep in mind this entire argument started because YOU quoted one of MY posts where I expressed MY dislike over this tour -- I never said ANYTHING to you specifically.
Bottom line: I don't like the HIStory tour. You do. That's fine; I'm not judging you. But I'm going to say whatever I want about it. That's what a discussion board is: I get to share my opinion as to what I think is a good and bad decision for the Estate. So long as I'm not breaking any board rules, it looks like I'm not going to stop. And with that said, this argument is over.
Ok, good luck with your petition! I know I'm going to enjoy myself watching Michael being spectacular and amazing on the big screen and in 3D!!! I'm sure that the full theatre of fans and regular people enjoying, singing and smiling will prove you wrong.
I think you have a hard time grasping what people are trying to say. Just because you and others will enjoy seeing something doesn't make alwaysthere's opinion wrong. You need to learn that everyone is entitled to their opinion and if he doesn't like the HIStory tour I don't see why it should bother you so much. I for one enjoy the tour but it's frustrating to see people lose the plot over someone else's opinion of a song, concert or album. This is a discussion forum, and I like seeing different opinions. Debates can be good but your above post, especially by snidely mentioning a petition are frustrating to see.
Live and let live, and most of all relax.
Contemporizing unfinished and unreleased song for a release is a term created by LA Reid to describe the process of finishing songs for MICHAEL album - the process includes stripping the song to A cappella and then creating completely new instrumentation around it, music inspired by Michael's vocals - like Michael's voice is guiding them to create new album. It's NOT re-mixing. It's creating completely new songs around Michael's voice, but to sound like Michael Jackson's record - something Michael would possibly do in 2014 if he was alive. Of course it's not the same, but it's producers vision of how MJ would sound today. Like LA Reid said, it's disrespectful trying to finish a song without Michael here and that's why they decided to go this way (I'm not saying this is more respectful, just saying that this was the album concept). So basically these contemporized songs are approximations of what would Michael Jackson's new album sound like in 2014 - NOT remixes. That was the whole point of this project!
You say it yourself: they strip the songs of their original instrumentation and music, keep only the vocal tracks and build a new track around it. "It's creating completely new songs around Michael's voice". So how is it authentic MJ music then? There is absolutely no way to tell if MJ had done any such things in 2014. These songs are not Michael Jackson's vision of how his music should sound but Timbaland & Co's. I bought Xscape and supported it, but I do not act like it's more than what it is and as if the new versions are authentic MJ songs. They are not. They are Timbaland & Co's vision about how Michael's music should sound.
That's why I (and LA Reid) said "approximations of what would Michael Jackson's new album sound like in 2014", "something Michael would possibly do in 2014 if he was alive" and "producers vision of how MJ would sound today".
No one is saying that he would sound exactly like that or even close to that, but no one can say he wouldn't either. Michael was evolving with every album, just look at Bad after Thriller, or Dangerous after Bad or Invincible after HIStory!
There is no way to tell whether MJ would "approximately" or "possibly" do what is in on Xscape.
You are reversing the argument. Just because we can't say MJ would not sound like Xscape in 2014 it does not mean he would. We cannot tell a lot of things about what MJ would do in 2014. By that logic, just because we can't say he would not climb the Mount Everest in 2014 does that mean we have to pretend he "possibly" would?
Coming to next years releases, it would be nice if we could get more High Def material.. VHS footage is a let down, especially in this day & age. They need to put more work into these thing's, it's not acceptable. Especially when people are paying their own money to witness this archived footage.. they should use the best sources possible.
And there is no way to tell he wouldn't.
About Mount Everest.. bad example. I gave an example:
"They could have had David Guetta, Pitbull, Afrojack, Nero.. to do this songs their way - in that case those songs would become remixes - something MJ would never do, something that is not his style, never was and never would be - house/electro music."
But collaborating with Rodney Jerkins again, StarGate (with whom he planned to work with) and Timbaland (with whom he spoke on the phone about music) and by doing that incorporating some of their style in his own music is not highly unlikely like climbing to Mount Everest.
But like I said it's all approximations and no one can say for sure.
Bad Tour Blu-Ray would be a great suprise.
But I'm done with this discussion about Xscape. It's off topic and you are way too defensive about that album. The only reason why you brought that album in the conversation was because the term "contemporarize" was mentioned.
A remix is a piece of media which has been altered from its original state by adding, removing, and/or changing pieces of the item.
I don't mean to brew up any old arguments, but allow me to provide you with the definition of "remix":
Every single song on XSCAPE was altered in a significant way. They do not resemble their original counterparts whatsoever. L.A. Reid jumped in and called the process "contemporizing" because it sounded less offensive. But let's be honest here: everything on XSCAPE is a remix.
But let's be honest here: everything on XSCAPE is a remix.
Let's be honest. It isn't.
It kind of is.
It kind of is. Compare the original and album versions. If you change how the original song sounds like it's a remix. They are remixes in the same way like how BOTDF Refugee Camp mix is remix.
I disagree. You can be happy that you even had the opportunity to hear the original versions. They didn't have to to that. Those songs were unfinished! Some were in their very early stages of production (Slave To The Rhythm, Chicago). Love Never Felt So Good is a demo recording! You can not compare that to completely finished and released songs from HIStory album!
The are not remixes. They are [Xscape] album versions, finished (or "contemporized") versions of unfinished songs with incomplete production and LNFSG demo.
You can belittle them as much as you want by calling them remixes, but that changes nothing.
And please go listen to BOTDF remixes. They sound like a remixes because they are remixes. House/Dance Club remixes. Xscape album sounds like something that is follow up to Invincible. Something fresh, of course with its producers flavours and signature sounds, but with Michael's touch. Michael often incorporated producers styles in his music (Teddy Riley on Dangerous, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis on HIStory, Rodney Jerkins on Invincible, Bill Bottrell on Give In To Me & Black Or White...). Again I'm not saying (no one is!) that this is how MJ's new album would sound like in 2014 but as an approximation it sounds damn good and nothing like a remix.
I disagree. You can be happy that you even had the opportunity to hear the original versions. They didn't have to to that. Those songs were unfinished! Some were in their very early stages of production (Slave To The Rhythm, Chicago). Love Never Felt So Good is a demo recording! You can not compare that to completely finished and released songs from HIStory album!
The are not remixes. They are [Xscape] album versions, finished (or "contemporized") versions of unfinished songs with incomplete production and LNFSG demo.
You can belittle them as much as you want by calling them remixes, but that changes nothing.
And please go listen to BOTDF remixes. They sound like a remixes because they are remixes. House/Dance Club remixes. Xscape album sounds like something that is follow up to Invincible. Something fresh, of course with its producers flavours and signature sounds, but with Michael's touch. Michael often incorporated producers styles in his music (Teddy Riley on Dangerous, Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis on HIStory, Rodney Jerkins on Invincible, Bill Bottrell on Give In To Me & Black Or White...). Again I'm not saying (no one is!) that this is how MJ's new album would sound like in 2014 but as an approximation it sounds damn good and nothing like a remix.
The are not remixes. They are [Xscape] album versions, finished (or "contemporized") versions of unfinished songs with incomplete production and LNFSG demo.
A remix is a piece of media which has been altered from its original state by adding, removing, and/or changing pieces of the item.