MONSTER - The Official Discussion Thread

[Kikuchiyo]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

The Cascio tracks are COMPLETELY bogus.

And The Moon is made of cheese! :smilerolleyes:

 

[AdamBa17]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

The thought of casual music fans hearing Jason Malachi sing "Mama say mama got you in a zig zag"

lmfao, that is the most embarassing bit of the album. i mean, these so called "believers" honestly think michael would write a lyric like that, let alone sing it?! LMAO!!!

the reason i am mentioning how long people have been fans being equal to their opinions is because as MJ fans we have been duped OVER and OVER again.

we have been given false information, false accusations, false material for 30+ years. and its happening over again. im surprised that people who survived times like 93 allegations, 03 allegations etc. can be duped AGAIN by sony and actually this time BELIEVE that michael did this stuff.

its outrageous to me. i thought long time mj fans would be "brainwash-less" by now

 

[MJRemixed]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

Great! All they need to do now is get E-Cas or Navi in a studio, add some dimmed lighting and hey presto! Its Michael Jackson singing MONSTER!

This is an absolute joke and insult to Michael and his long-time fans that actually know his voice, unlike the casual newbie fans.

 

[MattyJam]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

Great! THey might as well get E-Cas or Navi in a studio, add some dimmed lighting and hey presto! Its Michael Jackson singing MONSTER!

Don't joke.

You'll give them ideas.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

I am also an older fan, 25 years of listening to the man's voice almost every day. I am open to any explanations regarding the Cascio tracks, I am not boycotting anything, but I have my doubts regards those tracks.

All I noticed is that at some points while listening to the cd version on a high quality stereo the singer might be Michael, but with extremely streched or overprocessed voice, which is actually worse than autotuning it.

However, I see many believers saying how would we feel if it is proven to be really Michael. I already answered that it would be probably a relief to everyone, rather than any sort of shame.

But what if the vocals one day are proven to be not Michael? How would the believers feel then? Would they become a fan of the impostor if it is proven that there is an impostor?

 

[samhabib]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

lmfao, that is the most embarassing bit of the album. i mean, these so called "believers" honestly think michael would write a lyric like that, let alone sing it?! LMAO!!!

the reason i am mentioning how long people have been fans being equal to their opinions is because as MJ fans we have been duped OVER and OVER again.

we have been given false information, false accusations, false material for 30+ years. and its happening over again. im surprised that people who survived times like 93 allegations, 03 allegations etc. can be duped AGAIN by sony and actually this time BELIEVE that michael did this stuff.

its outrageous to me. i thought long time mj fans would be "brainwash-less" by now

Agreed. Especially when you read of court transcripts where people have given testimony claiming that they believed that Sony had people within Michael's entourage working against his own interests in order to procure his half-ownership of the Sony/ATV catalogue. But hey... now you have fans who are willing to look beyond that.

Just stay steadfast in your belief. As a great man once said 'Lies run sprints but the truth runs marathons'. And the truth WILL come out.

 

[samhabib]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

Don't joke.

You'll give them ideas.

Why not... it's not as if E-Cas hasn't already been in an official Michael Jackson video!

They'll be releasing a live Bad tour DVD next replete with black borders around the screen and Navi stumbling all over the stage!

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

Don't joke.

You'll give them ideas.

On one of the monuments erected to commemorate Michael Jackson there is a picture of E-Casanova, end even Michael's father didn't see the difference!

p.s. It's on the memorial stone in Gary. There is a picture of E'Casanova on it.

p.p.s. To me it clearly indicates that people managing Michael's posthumous career are completely incompetent. Putting a picture of E'Casanova and not seeing the difference!
After that, the very same people want to make us believe that MJ is 100% on some songs. Duh!

 

[AdamBa17]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

just for jokes...

 

[ConservativeMind]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

Ohh come on guys..lol Let's not pick on poor Navi and E-Cas now.

 

[ivy]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

p.s. It's on the memorial stone in Gary. There is a picture of E'Casanova on it.

p.p.s. To me it clearly indicates that people managing Michael's posthumous career are completely incompetent. Putting a picture of E'Casanova and not seeing the difference!
After that, the very same people want to make us believe that MJ is 100% on some songs. Duh!

the estate executors had nothing to do that memorial stone. It was the idea of major of Gary and one company did it with the pictures they found on the Internet. (at the time a lot of people contacted them about the error). The memorial stone company is the one that didn't know better and couldn't identify between Michael and E-Casanova.

so let's not blame people that had nothing to do with it.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

Personally I have nothing aganist E'Casanova or Navi, I just don't get how a pic of E'Casanova landed on the MJ's memorial stone?!

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

the estate executors had nothing to do that memorial stone. It was the idea of major of Gary and one company did it with the pictures they found on the Internet. (at the time a lot of people contacted them about the error).

so let's not blame people that had nothing to do with it.

I am not blaming anyone, I am just trying to say that we must be cautious when we say if MJ is in the pic or not. The same goes for the songs. We must be cautious before saying if it's MJ singing or not, because since his death I have impression that everyone is tryink to milk, and it is getting out of the hands.

What makes me believe that it is getting out fo hands is that we have an album on the one hand and, on the other hand, two-three leaked songs that are not on the album (about which no one doubts is Mike contrary to the Cascio tracks)!

So what the hell is going on? First, if it is Michael on Cascio songs, what happened to the voice? Second, if it is not Michael who is it? And third, who leaked the songs that are not on the album, knowing that SONY (accordingly) do not have in possession those songs!

 

[Badder]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

I know an Insider who told me that he has a video of Malachi, recording KYHU, Monster, BN with the Cascios. And it will be released the day after Sony release their video:clapping:

 

[aliana101]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

On one of the monuments erected to commemorate Michael Jackson there is a picture of E-Casanova, end even Michael's father didn't see the difference!

p.s. It's on the memorial stone in Gary. There is a picture of E'Casanova on it.

p.p.s. To me it clearly indicates that people managing Michael's posthumous career are completely incompetent. Putting a picture of E'Casanova and not seeing the difference!
After that, the very same people want to make us believe that MJ is 100% on some songs. Duh!

eeek what the hell :mello: Really??

 

[ivy]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

I am not blaming anyone

want to reread what you posted? You called the estate executors "completely incompetent" because of the E-casanova picture on the memorial stone.

that's blaming people for something they had nothing to do with.

if you are suggesting being "cautious", I think it should start with you showing some caution and fact checking before labeling people as "completely incompetent".

It's one thing to discuss the authenticity of the vocals on the album, it's another thing insulting and belittling people.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

want to reread what you posted? You called the estate executors "completely incompetent" because of the E-casanova picture on the memorial stone.

that's blaming people for something they had nothing to do with.

if you are suggesting being "cautious", I think it should start with you showing some caution and fact checking before labeling people as "completely incompetent".

It's one thing to discuss the authenticity of the vocals on the album, it's another thing insulting and belittling people.

I am not insulting people when it comes to Michael Jackson's posthumous career. They should correct the mistake immediately, and not let fans do it in their place!

As far as real blaming is concerned, I am more blaming all of us for taking everything for granted. We should be more cautious, and that includes stop bickering each other and dare question what is going on. We should not act as if everything was ok when we clearly see that there is a rift between the loyal fans.

I am sorry, but we are not informed properly neither from the Estate nor from Sony. Because of that lack of communication we are left with our own interpretations and conflictual opinions.

 

[Hess]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

I know an Insider who told me that he has a video of Malachi, recording KYHU, Monster, BN with the Cascios. And it will be released the day after Sony release their video:clapping:

Surely this is a big lie!

IF SONY had gotten Malachi to record vocals sure any videorecorder would NOT be allowed.

They would do anything to hide it, and videotaping it seems a stupid idea!

SO I don't believe that. If it is Malachi it was done in all secrecy and with absolutely no cameraes allowed!

SONY are not that stupid after all.

 

[Roosje]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

^ I can't believe this above conversation is for real when we have a new, may I say brilliant, album to celebrate!

 

[ivy]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

@bumper snippet

in all honesty estate gave us a detailed statement after we communicated them the concerns of the fans. they did communicate with us. It's not their fault that you don't believe their statement or find it satisfactory.

and again if we are talking about the memorial stone, the ones to correct it is the company who made it and city of Gary. As I said Estate has nothing to do with Joe Jackson's endeavours at Gary. let's put the responsibility on the appropriate parties.

 

[Hess]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

^ I can't believe this above conversation is for real when we have a new, may I say brilliant, album to celebrate!

Me neither. Very sad.

 

[xscape guy 2003]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

You know what, i am truely getting SICK to death of this Forum due to people who cannot be happy we have gifts left from Michael, clearly on all the songs there is some percentage of Michael. I dont want to get into an argument over if its real or what, the thing i do know is it definetly sounds like his composition, his lyrics and melody.
As i have said many times, it always seems to be the same bunch of people, the very same that where only just around in OFF THE WALL DAYS or Thriller, some not even to his Vince days or untimately his DEATH!
I have been round since the first beats of She's out of my life! When Off The Wall was first released, i dont care how long other people have, im just stating.
What annoys me is the very same people go on and on, as if they are the definitive persons that know and hear everything!
I can tell you know im 45 now and i was round for Michael through the good times and the very very bad times!
I met him twice, once in a 15 minute meeting on a very rained out night outside his hotel in Prague, i miss this man immensly but i would not try and tell people what they should and should not do.
The one thing i will state now, is that i believe that this is definetly michaels work, HE was working on this and it is HIS work, not necessarily all his vocals , but if you cannot hear him at some time or other in these songs especially KYHU you do need to get to a specialist!

I feel my gift from Michael be it melody, lyrics, music, vocals, justifies this project , what would you lot rather have, nothing anymore like so many other artists. I myself consider it a blessing to get anything.

Terry

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

@bumper snippet

in all honesty estate gave us a detailed statement after we communicated them the concerns of the fans. they did communicate with us. It's not their fault that you don't believe their statement or find it satisfactory.

and again if we are talking about the memorial stone, the ones to correct it is the company who made it and city of Gary. As I said Estate has nothing to do with Joe Jackson's endeavours at Gary. let's put the responsibility on the appropriate parties.

The company will correct the mistake only if they are told to do so by those who pull the strings of Michael's posthumous career, be it the Estate or any other party. The fact is, that it seems a bit messy at the moment and everyone tries to wash their hands of the responsibilities.

As far as the Estate's detailed statement is concerned, don't we realize that the core of the problem is not only the statement itself, but also the job that has been done for this new album (which I support despite all the controversy).

Is it normal to hear Teddy Riley saying "why MJ's voice sounds SO DIFFERENT?" Don't we see that by this very statement Teddy admits that the voice sounds indeed very different, even to the unrecognizable point for some fans and that this kind of voice processing could lead to further similar songs which actually do not sound as the original Michael.

Hypothetically let's say it is MJ on these three songs. Don't you think that this would open the doors in the future to hire an extremely good impersonator, process his voice and make it as unrecognizable as what we have right now and claim aftre that that it is Michael singing. Towards what direction are we all going to? Why not putting processed voice thing on an separate bonus album rather than on a supposedly finished album. There are enough songs to make a full album. Nobody complained or doubted vocals on "slave to the rhythm", "do you know where your children are" "blue gangsta", "can't get your weight off of me", ...

So why putting Cascio unfinished and heavily overprocessed songs?

By this, I am defending Michael and respecting his work!

 

[xscape guy 2003]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

One more little bit to this i would like to say is, do you really think that Sony/estate would put this project out if it was not genuine? Can you imagine how many lawsuits they would have against them? believe me if it was the case that they where using a male who sang , wrote, composed, etc Michaels work i would sue them to high heaven.

This i am sure is what they would not welcome and that is why i am quite certain that the latter is the case, that Michael is the true genius behind this body of work.

Terry

 

[if.it.aint.broke.break.it]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

I for one loved This Is It. I loved HIStory and Dangerous. I love the seven authentic songs on "Michael."

I just think Jason Malachi is the person singing on the Cascio songs. Watch the footage in my signature and then come and tell me it doesn't sound exactly like him...

As did I. I thought the TII song was lovely and hell, even my favourite MJ album is Blood On The Dance Floor. The remixes are fantastic. There's maybe - ooooh 10 songs in the whole of Michael's albums from OTW onwards that I personally don't like for various reasons and maybe 2-3 videos. I even liked You Rock My World (the video - it didn't seem lame to me) and thought Cry's video was great.

The authentic songs on Michael are good, some are excellent and one is pure genius. Matty, I love your avatar by the way. Excellent album.

and can i just say, to all the people claiming that non-believers arent true "fans", i know some of the most hardcore michael fans in the WORLD, that have been fans of michael before most of you accusers were even BORN.

its actually the other way round, most of you accusers who call us "not true fans" only became MJ fans after 2003 or so, ridiculous...

But there's the thing - you shouldn't have to be a fan from 2003, 2005, 2009, 1971, 1982, 1993...whatever year you feel like coming up. It's the fact we're all fans and we all have different hearing. I can hear subtle things in songs that make me wonder why that is, or why this is what it is.

A fan for just shy of 30 years. The Cascio tracks are COMPLETELY bogus.

See - 30 years. That should tell you something - that it doesn't matter what age, your current hearing (and I don't personally know anyone in person here so I can't even start to judge that!!!), it's what you do hear and what you perceive.

What does define a true fan though? Having all the records? Knowing all the lyrics? Having met Michael himself? Hoarding all his demos and outtakes? I'm really intrigued. To me - it's someone who believes what they feel and doesn't run with the crowd. After all, anyone who became a fan in the mid-90s or even the early-mid 2000s was likely ridiculed for liking someone so damn fucking weird. And yes, Michael is weird in his own way like many rock stars out there and many eccentric pop stars.

^ There are fans for equally the same time who disagree with you. So being a fan for a long time isn't a proper reason to claim you are right.

Monster would be the best choice as the next single for commercial success. There is a world outside these fan clubs!

Commercial success these days doesn't mean a lot. People hear the songs, they download them from those naughty Sweedish websites with sepia-coloured boats (oooooohhhh, bad....) and forget about them within a week. Let's see - I thought the best mainstream song this year was Bad Romance by Lady Gaga. It was popular for a week and then where was it? It was on to the next pop star.

Michael's music, you know, it didn't have that. People who downloaded the songs loved them, even if they were just download throwaways and that's what they love Michael for. Forget the controversies, forget the surgeries, the allegations, the...whatever. Even with Bad, people still loved the music even over the crap the media was putting out there on a regular basis. Why? Because it has a message, and very important messages too. Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, Billie Jean, Man In The Mirror, Heal The World, Keep The Faith, Cry, We've Had Enough...all full of messages. And that's what people love - beautiful melodies with messages for life in a pop song.

Is that the actual lyric? Mama got you in a zig zag? Oh my God! And people are claiming that Michael would sing this??? At nearly 50 years of age?

Don't be depressed. There are PLENTY of people that don't believe in this fraud.

It came to this because people thought Michael Jackson was crazy. They thought he was crazy when he claimed Sony were 'Phoney'. And that he felt he was being targeted and that he was the victim of a HUGE conspiracy. They should have had more faith in him. He was absolutely right.

Mama got you in a zig-zag? Oh lord. Just...excuse me for a moment.

Michael never was crazy. This man saw the inner workings of the music business for just over 40 years and unfortunately he got royally screwed with Invincible. Yes, I do think he should have been smart to wait until the promotion was over and then cut his ties with Sony. That would have been more clever. Calling them racist and a devil - that doesn't work in the real world. Neither does acting like a spoilt child on Sony's side, either.

Exactly, personally i've been listening to his music for 23 years and i agree that alot of the fans who are criticising us and calling us non-fans or even dare to call us haters; are ones that haven't been fans as long as we. But that's all fine and no problem, but they shouldn't go against us. Actually...maybe i shouldn't even mind it as much now anymore, now that i realize what you said, and i bet it's true too.

It's getting tiresome and i should try to not care anymore about it anymore. They want to firmly believe its him, i let them, they should let us believe that they aren't, but not resort to namecalling or worse. Actually i don't believe for a second they have real proof of Michael in the studio, if they had, they would have shown that to the world or at least the Jackson family to clear this whole fiasco up. What we DO get is very questionable shit like Teddy saying this and that, and the next day he says something different. And that Khaliq guy who said the complete opposite of Teddy.

And then the believers wanna tell us that we got nothing to base our opinions on or whatever? LOL.

Finally - if I was a hater because I don't believe these are legit vocals, I wouldn't be here at 12.25am writing this post and replying to what I think I should reply to. It's just annoying now. As I've said, we can't stop this album from going ahead but we can try and put our OPINIONS across rather than just fact. That way we can't be accused.

It's the same though with the 3T and others on Twitter. People are saying they should do more than just say it. The same with the Cascios - rather than saying ''Hey dudes and dudettes, we got ye'olde proof it's Mikey on vox, baby!!!'' - just do it. You know Nike? Take their advice. Just do it!!!

It's the body language of Teddy discussing the vox on the three songs that gets me curious. Watch him discuss those songs as compared to discussing Hollywood Tonight. See the difference? I'm no body language expert but even I can tell he seems utterly nervous when he speaks about it. If you make something you don't need to act nervous; specially when there's only the interviewer and you in the room. Take off the glasses in that video, look straight ahead and give me dead direct eye contact. That's not what I saw.

What I saw was a nervous man on that video. Nobody who worked with Michael Jackson and is proud of their work would do that. They just wouldn't. Would Quincy? Would Rodney Jerkins? Would Bruce Swedien? Would they do that? No.

 

[xscape guy 2003]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

BTw i actually think that Michael sounds too futuristic and i dont welcome the sounds on Slave to the Rythum, its far too like whats around now, and blue gangster sounds very dated. Unlike what is on the new album.

T

 

[nadia_j]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

You know what, i am truely getting SICK to death of this Forum due to people who cannot be happy we have gifts left from Michael, clearly on all the songs there is some percentage of Michael. I dont want to get into an argument over if its real or what, the thing i do know is it definetly sounds like his composition, his lyrics and melody.
As i have said many times, it always seems to be the same bunch of people, the very same that where only just around in OFF THE WALL DAYS or Thriller, some not even to his Vince days or untimately his DEATH!
I have been round since the first beats of She's out of my life! When Off The Wall was first released, i dont care how long other people have, im just stating.
What annoys me is the very same people go on and on, as if they are the definitive persons that know and hear everything!
I can tell you know im 45 now and i was round for Michael through the good times and the very very bad times!
I met him twice, once in a 15 minute meeting on a very rained out night outside his hotel in Prague, i miss this man immensly but i would not try and tell people what they should and should not do.
The one thing i will state now, is that i believe that this is definetly michaels work, HE was working on this and it is HIS work, not necessarily all his vocals , but if you cannot hear him at some time or other in these songs especially KYHU you do need to get to a specialist!

I feel my gift from Michael be it melody, lyrics, music, vocals, justifies this project , what would you lot rather have, nothing anymore like so many other artists. I myself consider it a blessing to get anything.

Terry

I totally love your post, and totally agree with that. Thanks!

 

[Hess]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

One more little bit to this i would like to say is, do you really think that Sony/estate would put this project out if it was not genuine? Can you imagine how many lawsuits they would have against them? believe me if it was the case that they where using a male who sang , wrote, composed, etc Michaels work i would sue them to high heaven.

This i am sure is what they would not welcome and that is why i am quite certain that the latter is the case, that Michael is the true genius behind this body of work.

Terry

Correct. They would never risk that.

 

[SIDEWALK]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

Correct. They would never risk that.

you know this for a fact?

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Re: Video for 'MONSTER' will include footage of Michael in the studio!!

BTw i actually think that Michael sounds too futuristic and i dont welcome the sounds on Slave to the Rythum, its far too like whats around now, and blue gangster sounds very dated. Unlike what is on the new album.

T

Lol, and the songs on Michael is not what is around now? Does it sound 70s to you?