MJ Estate Sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme Countersues / Tohme's Complaint [Merged]

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Thanks ivy for the summary of tohme's lawsuit. I wonder if there is significance in the estate saying tohme was manager from jan 08 and toohme saying he was manager from july 08 - maybe tohme is trying to avoid the accusation of not putting mj's interests paramount in the neverland deal?

In the ass press interview tohme did after mj's death, tohme said he was a close personal friend of barrack. They are both of lebanese descent. I read in a 05 profile of barrack that he was actually a neighbour of mj's ranch in santa barbara. The fact that he's a billionaire real estate mogul who specialises in distressed assets bought at knock down prices and the fact mj's neverland ranch was all over the media in feb 08 as being up for auction due to foreclosure, suggests to me that barrack was looking for a way in. I don't believe jermaine rang tohme, i think the instigator would be thome (working for his pal, barrack) using his acquaintance (did jermaine say they were friends in his book?) with jermaine and ringing him to get an intro to mj. It's far too much of a coincidence otherwise, jermaine was just looking imo to portray himself as mj's backbone yet again.
ASS Press article www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/articles/2009/07/04/20090704jackson-tohme.html

I think as now we have the Tohme's lawsuit we can try to do a small calculation about how much money Tohme wants from MJ Estate

From Neverland loan : $2.3 Million
AEG TII deal :
---- movie : $39 Million (15% of $261 Million)
---- licensing : unknown
---- DVD : $6.7 Million (15% of $45 Million http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2009/JACKO-DVD.php)
---- album sales, mp3: unknown (but the TII soundtrack sold 1.6 Million copies in USA alone)
---- merchandising and promotion : unknown

we also do not know what's the 15% of other stuff Tohme lists. But just looking to the known numbers related to TII , Tohme seems to be asking for at least $50 Million.

Don't know how Tohme could be looking for 15% of the gross amount of tii. The bulk of tii money went to aeg and sony, mj's estate i think got 80% (?) of all revenue above $200m - so surely 15% of $48m = $7.2m.
 
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If you think Dieter Weisner's shady, This thome guy's a thousand times worse!
A vulture in-your-face and he makes no bones about it.
No wonder Michael's creeped out by him.
Thanks to Jermaine, he shows up in Michael life
hell-bent
to wipe out Michael finances hanging him out to dry.

And the Julien auction thing... you kidding me, everthing is theirs for Julien's taking till Michael stopped it.
And what's with the Artwork worth 900 million giving everything to Brett Living Stone, wholesale! Log stock & barrel?
I know Michael is generous but not this everything must go fire sale crazy donating his entire's life art collection! Pfft!
Seems to me another one of Thome's high pressure " if you don't give me what I want, I let Nevvy be foreclosed" gun-wielding-behind-his-back tactic.

Then, there's the Double dipping. First being an investor and having the nerve to ask for a finder's fee. Yeah right, he thinks he gets covered both sides, free lunch on Michael everyday.
Oh yeah not getting a salary? why do you think he wants to sit on board on all the companies? To cream off funds and siphon to his carribean off-shore account?

If I were the judge I yanked out the 2.3 million commission (conflict of interest, finders fee and being an partner in the company does not cut it)
and tear through the 2 powers of attorney with a fine comb.
I'm sure there could be something that tells us he made Michael sign under duress
or some other dogdy means to obtain them.
 
Re: MJ Estate sues Tohme Tohme / Tohme countersues / Summary @pg 5

Thanks ivy for the summary of tohme's lawsuit. I wonder if there is significance in the estate saying tohme was manager from jan 08 and toohme saying he was manager from july 08 - maybe tohme is trying to avoid the accusation of not putting mj's interests paramount in the neverland deal?

In the ass press interview tohme did after mj's death, tohme said he was a close personal friend of barrack. They are both of lebanese descent. I read in a 05 profile of barrack that he was actually a neighbour of mj's ranch in santa barbara. The fact that he's a billionaire real estate mogul who specialises in distressed assets bought at knock down prices and the fact mj's neverland ranch was all over the media in feb 08 as being up for auction due to foreclosure, suggests to me that barrack was looking for a way in. I don't believe jermaine rang tohme, i think the instigator would be thome (working for his pal, barrack) using his acquaintance (did jermaine say they were friends in his book?) with jermaine and ringing him to get an intro to mj. It's far too much of a coincidence otherwise, jermaine was just looking to portray himself as mj's backbone yet again.


Tohme wouldn't be looking for 15% of the gross amount of tii. The bulk of tii money went to aeg and sony, mj's estate i think got 80% (?) of all revenue above $200m - so surely 15% of $48m = $7.2m.

That is a very good point re the dates
 
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In the ass press interview tohme did after mj's death, tohme said he was a close personal friend of barrack. They are both of lebanese descent. I read in a 05 profile of barrack that he was actually a neighbour of mj's ranch in santa barbara. The fact that he's a billionaire real estate mogul who specialises in distressed assets bought at knock down prices and the fact mj's neverland ranch was all over the media in feb 08 as being up for auction due to foreclosure, suggests to me that barrack was looking for a way in.

Barrack lives right next door to Neverland. Since he and Tohme were partners in Colony Capital (still are?) I think it was pretty obvious what his "way in" would be? Step one to acquiring the N/L property -- get Tohme close to Michael. Strategy? Through Jerm, his brother. Did money change hands there? PROBABLY. Step two, take over Michael's finances, and POAs. And so on.

I don't believe jermaine rang tohme, i think the instigator would be thome (working for his pal, barrack) using his acquaintance (did jermaine say they were friends in his book?) with jermaine and ringing him to get an intro to mj. It's far too much of a coincidence otherwise, jermaine was just looking to portray himself as mj's backbone yet again.

Of COURSE, I'd expect that Tohme and/or Barrack contacted Jerm, and not the other way around. Jerm is UNEMPLOYED, and always fishing for deals of various types, usually involving Michael in some way (i.e. the always hoped for "reunion concerts" as though anyone has any interest in the brothers' music when they were CHILDREN?) Also, it would seem (SEEM?) that Jerm isn't very bright, and could easily be duped, or used. The Tohme/Barrack connection with Jerm was very evident in his hard-sell about Neverland as a final resting place. Guess that one didn't work out? Yet? Would have been a windfall for Barrack, and probably Tohme, as well. I think this particular can-of-worms is very tangled.

I'm not surprised by the Estate's lawsuit. I AM surprised, that it didn't happen sooner. . . .
 
Here's an article written in Feb. 5, 2007 proving Michael was already in the works about making his comeback as the King of Pop!


Experience the Very Best of Vegas with the Legendary Man About Town!

Robin Leach


In a World Exclusive Interview, Michael Jackson Talks About His New Life in Vegas and His Comeback

Posted Feb 5th 2007 7:06PM by Robin Leach

Michael Jackson's long-awaited return to 'King of Pop' status has begun and it's being masterminded by the mysterious, secretive British entertainment tycoon who is behind the phenomenal success of Simon Cowell's ratings juggernaut 'American Idol' and David Beckham's $250-mega-million deal that is bringing the soccer king to the United States.

I can exclusively reveal that megastar producer-manager, Simon Fuller, has held top-secret strategy planning meetings in Vegas with Michael and Emmy award-winning director-choreographer, Kenny Ortega, who has created two of Michael's previous smash, sell-out world tours. By the way, Kenny won his first Director's Guild of America award on Sunday for outstanding achievement with his 'High School Musical' production for Disney.

They invited me to join their dinner in a private room behind the watchful eyes of 2 security guards at Steve Wynn's Wing Lei Chinese restaurant at the mogul's Wynn resort hotel and casino. It's Michael's fourth visit to the Epicurean Award-winning restaurant since moving to Vegas, ending his 18-month self-imposed exile from the US, living in Dubai and at Michael Flatley's castle in Ireland.

Ironically, Michael who normally shuns cameras, was undetected just 100 feet away from the 200-strong media mob reporting on Paula Abdul's 'Woman of the Year' award and star-studded attendees. A bit later when I told Simon Cowell, who was also in Vegas for Paula's award, that his partner was just around the corner, he laughed and said, "Doing another one of his world-shaking mega-deals, I suppose."

As manager to international soccer-star David Beckham, Fuller, the extraordinary deal-maker, won him a five year $250-million contract -- the largest sports pay-package in history – to move with his 'Posh Spice' wife, Victoria Beckham, to Beverly Hills and play for the L.A. Galaxy Major League Soccer team. Incidentally that was Beckham, with Martha Stewart and LL Cool J, in one of the high-priced $2.5 million Superbowl ads on Sunday -- another coup for Simon Fuller launching Beckham's bid for American stardom.

Michael, who was looking well, relaxed and very happy told me, "I'm doing fine and am well and really enjoying myself in Vegas. It's a great place to call home." His handshake and voice were strong and firm. On Michael's pending Vegas show and return to pop royalty, Kenny added, "We're talking business and looking at lots of different possibilities. This is a blue-sky time with a lot of different scenarios up in the air. We're working through all of them to find the best – the one that makes the most sense that's good for everybody."

I was reliably told that if anybody could transform Michael into a box-office megastar all over again, it would be entertainment mogul Simon Fuller, "This is the perfect match: the world's biggest pop-star being looked after by the most successful mogul-manager in the world."

Fuller is often confused with Simon Cowell -- particularly as they are close friends and so intertwined with 'American Idol's' non-stop soaring success including #1 ratings in 21 different countries. Fuller though, is the brains behind its $1-billion haul from advertising, merchandise and music. He is said to have earned $60-million personally in 2003 alone and that's a figure that grows annually. In addition, he promotes and manages such 'American Idol' stars as Kelly Clarkson, Ruben Studdard and Clay Aiken in addition to being the longtime manager of Annie Lennox and the now solo careers of Emma 'Baby Spice' Bunton and Mrs. Beckham.

There's an incredibly unique tie-in with another Vegas connection for Michael. Fuller (seen here with Kenny and Michael) divides his time between London, Los Angeles, and the French Riviera, and is also said to have numerous growing investments in Lake Las Vegas real estate ventures with Cowell. But it's the megadeal he struck with American billionaire, Robert F X Sillerman, that's worth noting in all of this. Fuller's 19 Entertainment was purchased a year ago by Sillerman for a whopping $190 million and Fuller wound up a director of Sillerman's CKx and still running the 19 group. CKx is partnered with Cirque du Soleil in an upcoming Elvis Presley-themed show, planned for MGM's City Center. Sillerman, who owns licensing and merchandising rights to numerous celebrities and their estates, exploits the Presley estate with authority by both Priscilla Presley and Lisa Marie Presley who were in Vegas this weekend celebrating the King of Rock's daughter's 39th birthday! Gossip historians know that at one time, Michael and Lisa Marie were a tabloid headline romance item during their marriage!

As an added Vegas twist, Sillerman bought a 20percent stake in the Broadway version of Mel Brook's 'The Producers' which is opening a Vegas version of the musical with David Hasselhoff. It's easy to see that all of Michael's current financial asset entanglements could be unraveled and made whole by the Sillerman-Fuller brain-trust as super Svengalis – and then relaunch his career bigger and better than ever before.

First stop though for Michael, who will celebrate his 49th birthday on August 29 this year -- the same birth date as mine coincidentally -- is Japan. He'll fly from Vegas next month for two fan-appreciation events on March 8 and 9.

Says Michael, "Japan is one of my favorite places in the world and I am very grateful to my fans there who have always been my strongest supporters and have helped me achieve several historic milestones in my life." Some 300 VIPs, paying over $3300 each, will hold a meet and greet handshake photo-session with Michael on day one with general fans massing for a get-together on day two.

Michael, who last performed a concert in Madison Square Garden back in 2001, is not expected to perform while in Japan, although he has created charity fund-raising records and TV specials with large groups of other pop stars in the interim. Although he's had more than 12 #1 chart hits, the last was in 1995 and he hasn't toured since the mid- 1990s.

He remembered that the last time he and I had met was over breakfast as guests of Donald Trump at his Atlantic City Trump Plaza hotel. But this visit together was not the time or the place to discuss his self-imposed 18-month exile after the Santa Barbara acquittal of child molestation charges in 2005. Michael lived for a while in the oil-rich nation of Bahrain before moving onto Ireland as a longtime guest in the sprawling castle of 'Lord of the Dance' creator Michael Flatley.

Michael returned to the States six weeks ago on Christmas Eve, as Luxe Life reported here back on December 24. He moved into a home on the west side of Vegas near Sahara and within easy reach of the Strip. In addition to a long dinner with Steve Wynn, which resulted in speculation about a possible Jackson show there, Michael's also met several times with Vegas deal-maker Jack Wishna who said:, "Michael is poised to return to the top of the entertainment world soon. He is one of the greatest all-time entertainers in the world." Wishna is the businessman who engineered Trump's Vegas debut with the $2.8 billion Trump International Hotel Tower, which is nearing completion on the Strip near the New Frontier hotel across from Steve Wynn's resort hotel casino.

MAGIC MAN
Michael was happy to discuss how he's been spending some of his first month in Vegas. He told me he enjoyed taking his children to see Lance Burton's magic show at the Monte Carlo. "I really love magic," he said. "I really liked his show. It's amazing and very enjoyable. I love getting caught up in the magic."

Protected by his own security and Monte Carlo security, Michael went in through a back security entrance rather than cause a scene with fans and sat in the lower mezzanine unnoticed in front of the sound booth – and just as the show was ending, he took off so the audience wouldn't be distracted from Lance's curtain calls.

Michael has only given one quick telephone interview since returning to Vegas although he did speak at the Atlanta funeral of the late soul singer James Brown. He confirmed officially to me a funny interview story about the Associated Press reporter covering the 'King of Pop's' return to the United States to live. The rules were that the reporter could not disclose his Vegas residency and was allowed only one question. When the AP reporter asked how Michael was and he answered that he was fine, that was considered the one question!!

So for me, it was an honor to be invited into the inner sanctum. I found Michael relaxed and confident -- happy that the troubled past was getting put all behind him and happy that he's begun rebuilding his career again. "It's a whole new Michael here in Vegas," I was told. " He feels comfortable here. He loves being able to go out and basically not get hassled. He likes the restaurants here for the food but his favorites are the shows. I think he'll get to see every one of them over the next few months. It's the first time in a long time Michael is feeling less pressured and much at ease. He is ready to go to work again and is in a great space and a wonderful sense of mind."

To celebrate, this weekend Michael was out and about again -- enjoying The Beatles LOVE musical at the Mirage. After the late show, he visited the LOVE boutique to pick out some Beatles show souvenirs – and surprisingly even happily posed with fans for photos with his ever-watchful security agreeing to relax the normal rules for his safety. Then he went backstage to meet the cast and crew of the show congratulating them on their performances and thanking them for the spectacular show.

"They were in awe of him and he the same about all of them. He was very respectful and told them it was an incredible experience that he'd remember forever. I think he's going to bring his children into see it next," one of the company staffers told me.
For now though, the only public outing of his three children has been a visit to the Circus Circus where they were spotted on a visit to the hotel's attractions here on the Strip. Prince Michael I, Paris and Prince Michael II, also known by nickname Blanket, didn't even bother with disguises when they went on the amusement rides there -- naturally under the watchful eye of their nanny and Michael's team of bodyguards along with the Circus Circus security staffers.


KEEP THE BOOGIE ALRIGHT
Michael's friendship and professional relationship with director and choreographer Kenny Ortega dates back many years, and once again they are teaming up. "Be it a concert tour or a show staged from Vegas they'll tackle it together," said a friend. "They have complete trust in one another so it will be their project going forward."

The Emmy-winning 30-year career choreographer was responsible for the hit 'Dirty Dancing,' 'Ferris Bueller's Day Off' and 'St. Elmo's Fire' movies. He also staged over his 20-year tour career world concerts for Michael, Barbra Streisand, Cher, The Pointer Sisters, KISS and Diana Ross. His choreography on Madonna's 'Material Girl' movie also won him awards. Currently Kenny, who created the live Sirens outdoor show spectacle at the Treasure Island, is in the early stages of a secret project being created for Steve Wynn's resort here and Luxe Life is sworn to secrecy! He will helm the follow-up sequel to 'High School Musical' being filmed in Utah this Spring.


MICHAEL'S COMEBACK SPECIAL
With the triple-threat team in place for Michael's return, he's already started work on a new album. Some of the tracks have already been recorded at Flatley's Irish castle with the help of will.i.am of the Black Eyed Peas. Don't be surprised if Michael and will are spotted when BEP plays the Orleans Arena during NBA All-Star weekend to work out the best way to finish the tracks they've selected to go with. Says will, "I'm a real fan of his. You get to work with just a couple of great people during your life who shed light on the Earth and Michael is one of them."

Michael, Simon and Kenny happily posed for our Luxe Life photos. I told them all that everybody was eagerly awaiting Michael's return to the limelight and that Vegas was delighted he now called our city his new home. " Its all going to be good, very good" said Michael, and Kenny added: "We're going to get it done and when it is you'll know it'll be the right way working out for the best for everybody involved."

So why does Thome Thome think he is entitled to what he claims in rebuilding Michael's career? It seems Michael was already looking to rebuild his Career when he moved to Vegas in December of 2006!
 
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50 million? That just cannot happen.
 
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Jermaine was willing to do anything wasn't he? I think he felt helping MJ would also force MJ into that family reunion tour that Jermaine was so badly wanting. Jerm should've been watching out for MJ's health and the doctor that was killing him instead of what was going on with Neverland.:(
 
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Alicat, MJ could not have made a comeback in 2007 due to his contract with the prince of Bahrain.
 
ivy;3602069 said:
I'll quote Jermaine from his book. He talks about hearing Michael will lose Neverland.

"My mind went into over-drive, worrying about something I couldn’t control, until a thought flashed into my head: Dr. Tohme-Tohme. Halima was hesitant. “But you hardly know the man,” she said. “And our other options are where right now?” I said.

If he could lead me to people of wealth to create something as vast as Crystal City, then saving Neverland would cost the equivalent of small change. I called our new friend and we met at his house on April 13, 2008.

I hadn’t told Michael what was going on because I needed to get my ducks in a row first. Once there, I outlined my brother’s difficulty and explained his suspicions surrounding his debt. “Is there anyone you know who’d be willing to help?” I asked.

Tohme-Tohme picked up a business magazine. The cover photo was of a suave, bald-headed gentleman in his sixties with a deeply furrowed brow. “This guy.” “He will?” “I’ll make sure of it,” he added, with a certainty I didn’t need to understand. All I needed to know was that Tom Barrack, the Lebanese chairman of a real-estate investment firm called Colony Capital—controlling an estimated $40 billion in private equity—was on his speed dial (as well as the board of Miramax, Hilton, Fairmont and Raffles hotel chains). As a serious player, he seemed tailor made for this SOS. When word came back some days later that, yes, he was interested in having a meeting.....".

As you can see according to Jermaine Tohme didn't need to do any searching, he immediately said he'll get Barrack to pay for Neverland.

^^So Capital is on speed dial--something I hope the estate is aware of. I won't be surprised if the estate already read relevant parts of this book. In fact Jermaine should be giving evidence in this lawsuit. Let's see whose side he would be on then.
 
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^^So Capital is on speed dial--something I hope the estate is aware of. I won't be surprised if the estate already read relevant parts of this book. In fact Jermaine should be giving evidence in this lawsuit. Let's see whose side he would be on then.

Oh, I'm sure they are aware of it. I'm not understanding (well, not exactly. . . .) why they waited so long to pursue this, and why they are not pressing for criminal charges, when that would seem OBVIOUS. The lack of accounting by Tohme surely left a huge gap in the executors' understanding of Michael's finances, as they attempted to turn profits for the estate? It's been almost three YEARS!

"Our new friend?" Gee, wonder how THAT happened? "Finder's fee?" Guess he didn't have to look very far. Or, at all? And finally? "I hadn't told Michael what was going on. . " I guess NOT. Question remains, is Jerm as stupid as he seems? Or, a "participant" in efforts to separate Michael from his money? Or both?
 
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Autumn as you know, Jermaine has a history of making people believe that he could get Michael to do deals for them, and he always gets money/gifts for this betrayal. I call it betrayal because I have not heard of any of these deals working out for Michael. Now it seems that from Alicat's article, there were already plans in place for Michael's comeback, although Thome makes it seem that it was all his idea and he is solely responsible for it. The mere fact that Michael was thinking and planning some serious productions in 07 shows that by the time Thome came on board many aspects of Michael's plan were already worked out.

I can't get over the disclosure that Thome looked at the magazine and then indicated that he had someone who would help finance Neverland. Is this what he calls hard work? I am so glad Jermaine wrote that book now--at least the book has served some good purpose.
 
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Oh, I'm sure they are aware of it. I'm not understanding (well, not exactly. . . .) why they waited so long to pursue this, and why they are not pressing for criminal charges, when that would seem OBVIOUS. The lack of accounting by Tohme surely left a huge gap in the executors' understanding of Michael's finances, as they attempted to turn profits for the estate? It's been almost three YEARS!

If I can try to explain :)

First of all what Estate filed is not actually a lawsuit. They filed a motion at Probate Court and it was an ongoing matter. Tohme had filed a creditors claim asking for $2.3M for Neverland and a copy of full accounting, Estate had rejected those requests and there has been some hearings about it. So they really didn't wait. It was an ongoing matter. It's now obvious that both sides realized that they wouldn't agree and they filed complaints. If you read Weitzman's statement he says that they expected Tohme to file a lawsuit and mere hours later he did.

And criminal charges can only be brought by a government authority. Any complaint that the Estate files would be a civil complaint.
 
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Autumn as you know, Jermaine has a history of making people believe that he could get Michael to do deals for them, and he always gets money/gifts for this betrayal. I call it betrayal because I have not heard of any of these deals working out for Michael.

Exactly. 2Seas ring any bells? When Jermaine stepped in, it always seemed to cost Michael money, in LAWSUITS.

Now it seems that from Alicat's article, there were already plans in place for Michael's comeback, although Thome makes it seem that it was all his idea and he is solely responsible for it. The mere fact that Michael was thinking and planning some serious productions in 07 shows that by the time Thome came on board many aspects of Michael's plan were already worked out.

Right. I'd expect so. But then Jerm delivered Tohme (his "new friend") to Michael on a silver-platter.

I can't get over the disclosure that Thome looked at the magazine and then indicated that he had someone who would help finance Neverland. Is this what he calls hard work? I am so glad Jermaine wrote that book now--at least the book has served some good purpose.

I think greed (book-sales) inspired Jerm to talk too much? He may not even understand the implications of what he said? Tohme kicked him to the curb, didn't he, when he was no longer useful? See, Tohme already was partners in Colony Capital, and N/L was a property I'm sure the "neighbor," Barrack, had wanted to get his hands on for a long time. And then, I guess Tohme also "found" Randy Phillips, someone he'd known for years (it's been said that they were related by marriage. Not sure if that's true, but probably.). I guess it's all in who you know? But, Michael may have wanted something different? He'd always wanted to act in movies, and direct. Too bad he didn't get to do it. . . . . .

(edit) Given the content of the Estate's lawsuit against Tohme, I'd say that right about now, it's looking like EVERYTHING Tohme touched turned to. . .not gold. . but fecal material?
 
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Thome had nothing to do with "Thriller [25th Anniversary Edition Zombie Cover]" Release Date: 02/12/2008.

I don't think the 2 Seas Record Company was all that influential in preventing Michael releasing new music.
 
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^^ HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA "fecal material" tends to sum it up pretty good.
 
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Thought i'd check in the trial thread for randy phillip's testimony about the genesis of the this is it tour.

In 07, raymone bain and peter lopez met with phillips to discuss an mj comeback. Meeting didn't result in anything and phillips concluded that mj wasn't ready. In aug 08 TOM BARRACK rings PhilAnchluz at aeg to organise a meeting where barrack, phillips and other colony captial people discussed the fact colony capital had note on neverland and the possibility of concerts. I was a bit weirded out by this, why would barrack a real estate mogul get involved in an entertainment matter - maybe it was just because he personally knew Anchluz, and maybe he wanted mj working to get his loan paid? Then later that week, phillps has meeting with thome at bel air hotel to discuss concerts. Phillips meets mj in sept 08. From then on numerous phone calls and negotiations with lopez and tohme re the finance etc. Meetings with mj re the creative.

Clearly thome has more claims to be renumerated for the tii concerts than bain did. But as the concerts never happened, not sure how the tii film directly results from thome's work in planning a concert tour. Really don't like the idea of barrack's involvement in all this - he seems to be the guy in the background pulling the strings. Who's interests are paramount with tohme? - barracks or mj's? I'm wondering if one of the conditions barrack placed on mj for 'saving' neverland was to have tohme as his manager - it's such a bizarre appointment of someone of mj's stature to have this man with no entertainment experience acting for him.
 
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Thought i'd check in the trial thread for randy phillip's testimony about the genesis of the this is it tour.

In 07, raymone bain and peter lopez met with phillips to discuss an mj comeback. Meeting didn't result in anything and phillips concluded that mj wasn't ready. In aug 08 TOM BARRACK rings PhilAnchluz at aeg to organise a meeting where barrack, phillips and other colony captial people discussed the fact colony capital had note on neverland and the possibility of concerts. I was a bit weirded out by this, why would barrack a real estate mogul get involved in an entertainment matter - maybe it was just because he personally knew Anchluz, and maybe he wanted mj working to get his loan paid? Then later that week, phillps has meeting with thome at bel air hotel to discuss concerts. Phillips meets mj in sept 08. From then on numerous phone calls and negotiations with lopez and tohme re the finance etc. Meetings with mj re the creative.

Clearly thome has more claims to be renumerated for the tii concerts than bain did. But as the concerts never happened, not sure how the tii film directly results from thome's work in planning a concert tour. Really don't like the idea of barrack's involvement in all this - he seems to be the guy in the background pulling the strings. Who's interests are paramount with tohme? - barracks or mj's? I'm wondering if one of the conditions barrack placed on mj for 'saving' neverland was to have tohme as his manager - it's such a bizarre appointment of someone of mj's stature to have this man with no entertainment experience acting for him.

Do you have links for this timeline? Would be appreciated. I thought Phllips and Tohme met with Michael in JULY of '08? Clearly, at least to me, Tohme's allegiance seems to be with Barrack, and not necessarily Michael. And then there is the connection between Anshutz and Barrack. And of course, Jermaine as, most likely, the go-between to get Michael hooked up with Tohme.

So BARRACK contacted Anschutz? And all this was discussed with Tohme? A MONTH before anyone mentioned it to Michael? A real-estate "mogul" involved in entertainment? Yeah, he may have wanted Michael working. But, the way it worked out was a kind of "company store" arrangement. You know, like in coal towns (I live in a coal-mining region) where the workers rent their houses from the company, shop at the company store, and so on, and never can quite pay down their debt? Wasn't AEG/Anschutz fronting EVERYTHING to Michael, all predicated on accomplishing the concerts? At the same time Tohme was robbing him. Jeez, Michael, what a MESS!
 
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Michael was always be remembered as an egalitarian!
 
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Makes you wonder if there was anyone in his life that Michael could fully trust!!
 
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I wonder if there is significance in the estate saying tohme was manager from jan 08 and toohme saying he was manager from july 08 - maybe tohme is trying to avoid the accusation of not putting mj's interests paramount in the neverland deal?
Tohme is causing me a really bad headache!
I was reading this blog about Michael's timeline: http://mjjtimeline.blogspot.com/2009/08/2007.html
June 3 MJ had a dinner with Colony people, and Tohme is hired July, Jermaine intruduced Tohme to Michael in Feb, I think.
So when Tohme said that he worked for Michael for free, he could mean early 2008 he didn't get paid?
You might be onto something there Bonnie.

Michael definitely was planning concert before Tohme stepped in, according to timeline he met with Kenny, AliCat already posted the info about it. His seems to be take credit of the work that he didn't do, or take credit from work that someone else already started and he was there when it was finished.

This is what Tohme said in London:
"For the first time in his life, Michael Jackson has people around him who believe in him and look after him," said Dr. Tohme. "And are trying to help him and advance his career."

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Thanks ivy for the summary of tohme's lawsuit. I wonder if there is significance in the estate saying tohme was manager from jan 08 and toohme saying he was manager from july 08 - maybe tohme is trying to avoid the accusation of not putting mj's interests paramount in the neverland deal?

conflict of interest. Estate argues he had conflict of interest and Tohme's timeline is refusing this claim.

I don't believe jermaine rang tohme, i think the instigator would be thome (working for his pal, barrack) using his acquaintance (did jermaine say they were friends in his book?) with jermaine and ringing him to get an intro to mj. It's far too much of a coincidence otherwise, jermaine was just looking imo to portray himself as mj's backbone yet again.

Jermaine says he met Tohme at an event and talked about Crystal City - a project he had in mind - with Michael he claims.

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on't know how Tohme could be looking for 15% of the gross amount of tii. The bulk of tii money went to aeg and sony, mj's estate i think got 80% (?) of all revenue above $200m - so surely 15% of $48m = $7.2m.

The calculation is not perfect, it's just an assumption based on public figures but the services agreement says 15% of gross income.

Of COURSE, I'd expect that Tohme and/or Barrack contacted Jerm, and not the other way around.

As for Tohme / Barrack contacting Jermaine, to me that doesn't make sense because Jermaine wasn't a person that was close with Michael. Even in his book after Jermaine himself - without asking Michael - decided that he had to save Neverland and went to Tohme to get the word that Neverland will be saved, Jermaine goes to Las Vegas to talk to Michael and guess what - they don't let him in. Jermaine has to call Katherine who calls Michael who then let's Jermaine in. So I don't think Jermaine would be on anyone's list to call to get close to Michael. There were better alternatives for that such as Michael's current staff or even directly Katherine.
 
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Looks like jerm wanted to play saviour to get in mjs good books and so mj would owe him.or like others say maybe he was concerned about having to put a roof over his kids head if hayvernhurst was next. theres always ulterior motives with the family. and even though mj may have been clueless about others he seemed to know very well about his families motives hence why he kept away from them
 
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So Jerm hooked all of this up without even telling MJ? I thought Jerm said MJ kept away from the family? if this is so how was he (Jerm) able to set Mike with Thome Thome?

Jerm is all over this mess.. why was Jerm so damn worried about Neverland? Mike wasn't living there anyway
 
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Looks like jerm wanted to play saviour to get in mjs good books and so mj would owe him.or like others say maybe he was concerned about having to put a roof over his kids head if hayvernhurst was next. theres always ulterior motives with the family. and even though mj may have been clueless about others he seemed to know very well about his families motives hence why he kept away from them

Of COURSE. And Tohme likely didn't know that Jerm was NOT that close to Michael. Sure, he could have approached Katherine to get to Michael. But, he didn't. He used Jermaine. And not, apparently, Michael's staff or other family members. The connection between Jermaine and Tohme has been OBVIOUS, right down to their appearance, together, at the hospital press-conference. Of that family, Jermaine has been most active with schemes and projects, and he was the likely candidate get close to Michael. It WORKED, didn't it?
 
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It's sad that it appears that Jermaine didn't want to help Michael out of concern and love but what he could get out of the deal. Sorry that is how it looks. There is nothing strange helping a family member but why do you have to get money or something out of it? Just help him. It was all of these things and people who caused nothing but stress and pain to Michael. No peace. No wonder Michael kept a distance because people were always expecting something in return for their help. This 50 million figure just scares me. No way should that man get that kind of money. He is a thief and probably threatened Michael in certain ways with his presence.
 
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He is a thief and probably threatened Michael in certain ways with his presence.

I'm sure he did. It was obvious that he was hurting Michael, with that iron-grip on his arm, in London. Then, there is the "Gatlin tape." I know a lot of people didn't believe it, but now the lawsuit from the Estate confirms. I'm sure Michael felt threatened, and WAS threatened.

I think Jermaine was used, and then probably kicked to the curb. Questions there are, what did he know about Tohme's motivations, and when did he know it? And, was he paid, and how much, for delivering Tohme to Michael, and for promoting N/L as a final-resting place, i.e. money-generating theme park? How he sleeps at night, I have no idea.
 
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