Michael - The Great Album Debate

[WildStyle]

As far as ad-libs, Michael would often sing them while doing the lead vocal take. The background vocals and harmonies would come first (which are suspiciously absent from all Cascio tracks). He would sing every harmony part stacking his own voice on top of itself over and over, then he would sing the lead part over that. That is the usual way Michael recorded vocals during his career.

Anybody with any excuses for this? Why did MJ not record in his usual fashion for all 12 Cascio tracks? The background vocals are quite obviously not MJ stacked on top of himself over and over again as he usually did. There have been a lot excuses for the seemingly endless suspicious things to do with these tracks. And why? Because Eddie says it's Michael. At some point you must have to think to yourself "Hmm... there are a few too many red flags here. Maybe I should at least question the single bit of evidence given that it is Michael on these songs. The word of Eddie Cascio, who's character I really know nothing about."

 

[elapentela]

Anybody with any excuses for this? Why did MJ not record in his usual fashion for all 12 Cascio tracks? The background vocals are quite obviously not MJ stacked on top of himself over and over again as he usually did. There have been a lot excuses for the seemingly endless suspicious things to do with these tracks. And why? Because Eddie says it's Michael. At some point you must have to think to yourself "Hmm... there are a few too many red flags here. Maybe I should at least question the single bit of evidence given that it is Michael on these songs. The word of Eddie Cascio, who's character I really know nothing about."

Does Eddie Cascio want's you to know anything about his character? Does he looks for your attention? Does he looks for your approval with anything? Does he ask you to buy any of his products? Does he ask you to listen to anything he is producing? Think logically. Does he care? It's seems he is just doing what he likes behind the scene and being his own man. You hate him and it doesn't seem he will fight with you.

 

[WildStyle]

:doh:

 

[OnirMJ]

Does Eddie Cascio want's you to know anything about his character? Does he looks for your attention? Does he looks for your approval with anything? Does he ask you to buy any of his products? Does he ask you to listen to anything he is producing? Think logically. Does he care? It's seems he is just doing what he likes behind the scene and being his own man. You hate him and it doesn't seem he will fight with you.

We already know everything that needs to be known about his character. He and his whole family are not better than Arvizos or Chandlers. I don't understand why are you defending him so much? Are you related to him? Are you a fan of Michael Jackson or Eddie Cascio?

He doesn't need to fight with us, he will fight with Sony and Estate in court when the time comes.

 

[Chamife]

Anybody with any excuses for this? Why did MJ not record in his usual fashion for all 12 Cascio tracks? The background vocals are quite obviously not MJ stacked on top of himself over and over again as he usually did. There have been a lot excuses for the seemingly endless suspicious things to do with these tracks. And why? Because Eddie says it's Michael. At some point you must have to think to yourself "Hmm... there are a few too many red flags here. Maybe I should at least question the single bit of evidence given that it is Michael on these songs. The word of Eddie Cascio, who's character I really know nothing about."

Playing devil's advocate here: Michael wanted to do 'more simple' songs? Not al those layers? (thought one of his nephews said that, but I'm not sure. Maybe he said it himself in an interview.) And also not sure if Michael felt this way in 2007 and not later. I would have to look that up. And about the ad-libs, yeah, that's why I thought too, that the ad-libs came naturally for the most part...*dunno*. I don't like it when they paste them in where they shouldn't or use the wrong one.

Does Eddie Cascio want's you to know anything about his character? Does he looks for your attention? Does he looks for your approval with anything? Does he ask you to buy any of his products? Does he ask you to listen to anything he is producing? Think logically. Does he care? It's seems he is just doing what he likes behind the scene and being his own man. You hate him and it doesn't seem he will fight with you.

Don't you think it's strange that even the most famous producers tweet, have a facebook page and their own website to keep in touch and to communicate with fans or anybody who wants to have contact? So they all give attention, ask attention , except Eddie Cascio (or is it Eddie Angelikson now?.. :wacko. Is he that famous that he doesn't need that?

Or is he that afraid of Michael fans?

 

[WildStyle]

Playing devil's advocate here: Michael wanted to do 'more simple' songs? Not al those layers? (thought one of his nephews said that, but I'm not sure). And about the ad-libs, yeah, that's why I thought too, that the ad-libs came naturally for the most part...*dunno*. I don't like it when they paste them in where they shouldn't or use the wrong one.

But the songs do feature the same sort of background vocals. It just isn't Michael. The point is that Michael would almost always record those parts first and then sing his lead part. Often in the early stages of a songs life, the background and chorus vocals were the only part finished and fleshed out, while the verse lyrics remained incomplete. Why did this not occur for a single Cascio song? It's not like this was a difficult process for Michael. He could stack harmonies perfectly pitched and lined up faster than anyone. Everyone who's worked with him has commented on it. Of course, I know the answer, I'm just trying to make people see that there are a lot of unusual things with these songs even outside of the lead vocals. A lot of red flags.

 

[OnirMJ]

And what's up with that "Angelikson"? Does he really think that he is an angel? And -kson as part of Jackson. What a douche! He should change it in "Devilkson".

 

[Chamife]

And also very coincidental that Eddie Cascio and James Porte already wrote lyrics and composed music (if I get it right) in 2005 for Soldier Boy.



Just be Angelikson wire-soldier boy compilation

Type of Work:
Musical work
Registration Number / Date:
PAu002970608 / 2005-06-29
Date of Creation:
2005
Title:
Just be Angelikson wire-soldier boy compilation.
Copyright Note:
Cataloged from appl. only.
Words & music.
Copyright Claimant:
James Porte, 1972-
Authorship on Application:
James Porte, 1972-, Edward Cascio, 1982-.
Names:
James Porte 1972-
Edward Cascio 1982-


Read more: http://www.copyrightencyclopedia.co...son-jay-e-pseud-cornell-haynes/#ixzz28ic7FXX0

 

[OnirMJ]

James Porte also did a lot of material in 2003-2005 according to that copyright page. Didn't know that Frank is also a music producer. Although Roger Friedman said that it was Frank who originally worked on Cascio tracks with James Porte.

 

[AlwaysThere]

And what's up with that "Angelikson"? Does he really think that he is an angel? And -kson as part of Jackson. What a douche! He should change it in "Devilkson".

I don't want to seem naive (this is the one Michael Jackson subject that I don't find interesting in any way) but isn't Eddie's middle/real name/nickname Angel? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But for some reason I never made the connection with that!

Angel + Jackson = Angelikson

 

[OnirMJ]

I don't want to seem naive (this is the one Michael Jackson subject that I don't find interesting in any way) but isn't Eddie's middle/real name/nickname Angel? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But for some reason I never made the connection with that!

Angel + Jackson = Angelikson

His nickname is Angel.

 

[StellaJackson]

He's baaaaaaaaaaack!

Just when you thought he was done, he comes to give it again!

It seems that Eddie's lyrics are still GENIUS! And that he still likes to show that he knew Michael through a not-so-subtle image hanging in the studio. Thoughts about Angelikson's re-emergence, and how we missed it (seeing as this was posted in May)?

They've been working with Eddie since 2010. I remember them commenting on their blog about him appearing on Oprah.

 

[StellaJackson]

I find the BN demo/Premix hilarious with the farting sound after the first chorus XD Probably done before Teddy mixed it, thanks to Eddie!

The synth is pretty catchy, the one that comes in during "no matter what, you just wanna read it again".

Do you mean the one that occurs after the word "weapon"? It's in the final mix too. It's the exact same snort that appears in Jason's own songs. We found numerous matches for these snorts.

 

[ivy]

And what's up with that "Angelikson"? Does he really think that he is an angel? And -kson as part of Jackson. What a douche! He should change it in "Devilkson".

It's a name / nickname that is given by Michael to him. Do you really want to bad mouth what Michael named him & company?

I don't want to seem naive (this is the one Michael Jackson subject that I don't find interesting in any way) but isn't Eddie's middle/real name/nickname Angel? Someone correct me if I'm wrong. But for some reason I never made the connection with that!

Angel + Jackson = Angelikson

Michael nicknamed him Angel and they came up with the name Angel + Jackson = Angelikson

So I'm guessing OnirMJ is calling Michael a douche for coming up with Angel nickname and being okay with the use of Angelikson.

 

[OnirMJ]

It's a name / nickname that is given by Michael to him. Do you really want to bad mouth what Michael named him & company?



Michael nicknamed him Angel and they came up with the name Angel + Jackson = Angelikson

So I'm guessing OnirMJ is calling Michael a douche for coming up with Angel nickname and being okay with the use of Angelikson.

It is lame and pretentious.

How do you know that it is given by Michael?

 

[ivy]

It is lame and pretentious.

How do you know that it is given by Michael?

Multiple books over the years as well as court documents and so on. He has been calling Eddie as Angel for decades. He called their youngest brother Baby Rubba etc and so on.

so again you are insulting Michael himself with that "lame and pretentious" wording.

edited to add: Plus Angel and Angelikson has been used publicly at Thriller 25. It's not something Eddie created after Michael's death, it had been done when he was alive with his knowledge.

 

[OnirMJ]

Multiple books over the years as well as court documents and so on. He has been calling Eddie as Angel for decades. He called their younger brother Baby Rubba etc and so on.

so again you are insulting Michael himself with that "lame and pretentious" wording.

Which books? By Frank Cascio? Whatever, maybe MJ nicknamed him Angel, he was good to everyone. But "Angelikson" is lame and pretentious. And he is not an "anglel" in any way. He had done some very devilish things since.

 

[ivy]

But "Angelikson" is lame and pretentious.

What part of Angelikson name is created by Eddie and Michael together is hard to understand? And how long are you going to continue insulting Michael too because you don't like Eddie?

 

[elapentela]

We already know everything that needs to be known about his character. He and his whole family are not better than Arvizos or Chandlers. I don't understand why are you defending him so much? Are you related to him? Are you a fan of Michael Jackson or Eddie Cascio?

He doesn't need to fight with us, he will fight with Sony and Estate in court when the time comes.

I don't have to be related to anybody to see the slandering people's names based on only opinion. It's the same kind of feeling like reading all slanders directed toward Michael Jackson on many websites, especially accusing him of the crime only because of someone's opinion.

 

[OnirMJ]

What part of Angelikson name is created by Eddie and Michael together is hard to understand? And how long are you going to continue insulting Michael too because you don't like Eddie?

You said "Multiple books over the years as well as court documents and so on." Can you tell me which books (except Frank's book) and which court documents says that Michael nicknamed him Angel and that they together created the name Angelikson?

I trust you but I would like to read it myself. I'm not insulting Michael Jackson, I'm insulting just Eddie.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Eddie, Frank are you here?

I can't find any other logical reason to defend them so much if they've cause such war and division among us the fans... :doh:

 

[elapentela]

I don't have to be related to anybody to see the slandering people's names based on only opinion. It's the same kind of feeling like reading all slanders directed toward Michael Jackson on many websites, especially accusing him of the crime only because of someone's opinion.

Eddie, Frank are you here?

I can't find any other logical reason to defend them so much if they've cause such war and division among us the fans... :doh:

Logical reason is being civil and mature enough to understand that because of different opinion you can't accuse anyone for committing the crime without any proof. Sure you can go through legal system but expect being countersued for the slander right away.

 

[SoCav]

I also thought MJ nicknamed him Angel and that that is where Angelikson came from. Not sure where I heard it though.

But really, I do not care about his nickname (although I of course do see the irony there). I only care about his actions.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

Why did I bother? There's no fucking use, it's just a great shame those infamous tracks are an unnecessary stain in Michael's beautiful legacy!

 

[ivy]

You said "Multiple books over the years as well as court documents and so on." Can you tell me which books (except Frank's book) and which court documents says that Michael nicknamed him Angel and that they together created the name Angelikson?

I trust you but I would like to read it myself. I'm not insulting Michael Jackson, I'm insulting just Eddie.

Well as Michael is involved in the name you are insulting him as much as you are insulting Eddie.

As for the books and court documents you need to go and check older books, articles about child molestation and the likes of Diane Dimond and such. Michael's close interaction with multiple kids over decades and the nicknames etc he used for them was mentioned in those. Of course they were quite negative approaches. All the nicknames of multiple people ranging from applehead, blow hole, angel, baby rubba etc. aren't news to the long time fans.

Eddie, Frank are you here?

I can't find any other logical reason to defend them so much if they've cause such war and division among us the fans... :doh:

What you and some people failing to understand that this is not necessarily defending but having a problem with serious accusations and attacks not only limited to Eddie but also generalized to his family as well. I can't understand calling people devil, comparing the family to Arvizo's and Chandlers or advocating to throw tomatoes at them. (all of which is written on this thread)

I understand anger but it doesn't make it okay to lose our morals and act like savages and motivate even physical attacks to anybody. If you want me to point out the ridiculousness, no one even said Murray - who KILLED Michael deserves to be thrown tomatoes at him, no one included his family in his wrongdoing. That is how much some doubters are lost and that's why some posts are really problematic for some of us. It's not really defending, it's actually being against this highly questionable statements.

You can see me as a defender or fan of Eddie or any Cascio. In reality however I see myself as a normal individual that has the basic morals and decency to not to motivate hate and physical attacks against anyone whether they are named Cascio, Arvizo, Chandler or Murray. It's one thing to criticize these parties, but it is a whole different game when you start accusations, hate and attacks. It shouldn't be this hard to understand this really.

I also thought MJ nicknamed him Angel and that that is where Angelikson came from. Not sure where I heard it though.

But really, I do not care about his nickname (although I of course do see the irony there). I only care about his actions.

There was even a thread on MJJC in 2008 explaining the nickname Angel and Angelikson - and you are right it was explained back then. But I'm not surprised to see some denying that name existed before Michael's death.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

What part of Angelikson name is created by Eddie and Michael together is hard to understand? And how long are you going to continue insulting Michael too because you don't like Eddie?

You seem more concerned about Onir's comment about Eddie than Kreen's insults towards Michael calling him a shell of a man and . I've never seen you such defensive all of sudden. But I guess it's the word "Eddie" that triggers this.

Onir did not insult MJ and you know it, so why making him look as if he insulted MJ? Play nice. You seem to have much time on your hands to defend Eddie.

 

[Chamife]

Why did I bother? There's no fucking use, it's just a great shame those infamous tracks are an unnecessary stain in Michael's beautiful legacy!

And who's responsible for this stain?

Right.

You can like the songs as much as you want, but no one can deny that voice doesn't sound like the Michael Jackson we all know.

And therefore they should never have been released. (I can agree on some points with you Elapentela, that a lot of things can have value for some fans), but I don't understand how altering/changing/replacing his voice (Michael's main and only instrument, the core of his artistry) can bring delight to someone.

(but you already know my point of view, )

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

What you and some people failing to understand that this is not necessarily defending but having a problem with serious accusations and attacks not only limited to Eddie but also generalized to his family as well. I can't understand calling people devil, comparing the family to Arvizo's and Chandlers or advocating to throw tomatoes at them. (all of which is written on this thread)

I understand anger but it doesn't make it okay to lose our morals and act like savages and motivate even physical attacks to anybody. If you want me to point out the ridiculousness, no one even said Murray - who KILLED Michael deserves to be thrown tomatoes at him, no one included his family in his wrongdoing. That is how much some doubters are lost and that's why some posts are really problematic for some of us. It's not really defending, it's actually being against this highly questionable statements.

You can see me as a defender or fan of Eddie or any Cascio. In reality however I see myself as a normal individual that has the basic morals and decency to not to motivate hate and physical attacks against anyone whether they are named Cascio, Arvizo, Chandler or Murray. It's one thing to criticize these parties, but it is a whole different game when you start accusations, hate and attacks. It shouldn't be this hard to understand this really.

Yes, I'm angry for what those tracks have caused but I'm (Gabriela Guido) not comparing them with any of those infamous families. Cascios have failed to give reliable proves to sustain those tracks are authentic. Where are they? That's why I'm attacking them.

 

[ivy]

You seem more concerned about Onir's comment about Eddie than Kreen's insults towards Michael calling him a shell of a man and . I've never seen you such defensive all of sudden. But I guess it's the word "Eddie" that triggers this.

Onir did not insult MJ and you know it, so why making him look as if he insulted MJ? Play nice. You seem to have much time on your hands to defend Eddie.

Good try but try to do better.

It's important to differentiate between facts and opinion. It's a fact that Eddie is nick named Angel by Michael. Calling it lame etc. is actually an insult to the person - Michael - who came up with that name. Onir's denial that these names were used in Thriller 25 - when Michael alive and it was explained in 2008 on this very board is a quite interesting demonstration of his bias. That's what attracted my attention. I don't give a rat's ass if you see that as "defending" Eddie. From where I'm standing I was successfully demonstrating a bias and misplaced anger and denial of information and facts.

Being shell of men is actually an opinion which is actually relatively shared by many people in different levels. I guess no one here would reject that Michael was really affected by the 2005 trial and there had been a healing period for him.

Although I do not agree to everything kreen said and I don't think it was that extreme as kreen makes it sound like, I also think that the 2005 trial had serious effects on Michael from which he came back prior his death. So it is normal that you wouldn't see that much defensive in that regard. Once you overcome your belief that everyone has to act according to your standards , you'll actually start respecting difference of opinions. You'll realize my defensive behavior will be determined by my opinions and not based on your standards of what I am supposed to do or be angry at and so on.

As for the time, I responded in my lunch break and now I have 2 minutes till the end of my work day. After that I'll be relaxing home and focusing on AEG case.

 

[BUMPER SNIPPET]

Good try but try to do better.

It's important to differentiate between facts and opinion. It's a fact that Eddie is nick named Angel by Michael. Calling it lame etc. is actually an insult to the person - Michael - who came up with that name. Onir's denial that these names were used in Thriller 25 - when Michael alive and it was explained in 2008 on this very board is a quite interesting demonstration of his bias. That's what attracted my attention. I don't give a rat's ass if you see that as "defending" Eddie. From where I'm standing I was successfully demonstrating a bias and misplaced anger and denial of information and facts.

Being shell of men is actually an opinion which is actually relatively shared by many people in different levels. I guess no one here would reject that Michael was really affected by the 2005 trial and there had been a healing period for him.

Although I do not agree to everything kreen said and I don't think it was that extreme as kreen makes it sound like, I also think that the 2005 trial had serious effects on Michael from which he came back prior his death. So it is normal that you wouldn't see that much defensive in that regard. Once you overcome your belief that everyone has to act according to your standards , you'll actually start respecting difference of opinions. You'll realize my defensive behavior will be determined by my opinions and not based on your standards of what I am supposed to do or be angry at and so on.

As for the time, I responded in my lunch break and now I have 2 minutes till the end of my work day. After that I'll be relaxing home and focusing on AEG case.

It's just throughout the 20000 replies and more that your posts have given impression to defend more what has been said about Eddie, than what has been said about Michael.

Even if Onir did not know about the nickname Angel and where it came from, it's not nice to make him look as if he insulted Michael Jackson. You know very well he didn't insult MJ. He was explicitely talking about Eddie and not about MJ.

Now regarding Kreen's "shell of a man", an opinion? All right, then some people can according to you give their opinion that he was a pedophile too? Or are there two different rules for giving opinons when it comes to insulting Michael Jackson?

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