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Let's assume it's a Michael Jackson song, other than your personal taste, what is great about it to be played on a hiphop radio station? If they played it, it's because of 50 Cent's rap, not because it's a great MJ song.
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Let's assume it's a Michael Jackson song, other than your personal taste, what is great about it to be played on a hiphop radio station? If they played it, it's because of 50 Cent's rap, not because it's a great MJ song.
Chamife
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Posted this in another thread, but I don't want to withhold this from you.
Power of Michael, again.
This guy deserves a raise on his wages, lol!!
[youtube]44oEpvch4AQ[/youtube]
Power of Michael, again.
This guy deserves a raise on his wages, lol!!
[youtube]44oEpvch4AQ[/youtube]
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Bumper, I tried getting answers from him before about his belief system (and they were genuine questions who former believers like myself and King had answered in the past) but all he did was dismiss them as being silly because he hears Michael throughout the song. He even refused to analyse lyrics and look at the songs past his own personal taste. Again, because it was on a hip-hop station, it would most likely because of Fiddy's contribution, which is a rap I actually like a lot. I think that if a fan ever did a Thriller remix, Fiddy's rap would go perfectly with that, maybe before Vincent Price to build up the suspense.
So can we all now get back to analysing the songs in detail and actually conducting research as opposed to stating our personal opinion as the gospel? That's what's been the problem for the past month or so. We don't need to hear ADKI constantly say "I believe it's Michael Jackson. It's a good song. One of my favourites." when we could be spending time looking at the songs in-depth, deciphering parts of it and coming to conclusions based on our findings. It's obvious that he was never interested in doing that.
Now, the reason I think "Me" in "Stalkin' Me" is MJ was because of a comparison azsummergirl sent me, which compared that word to the same word in Invincible. At least half of those words are words from Invincible. I'll send it to you.
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Id like to deciper the songs to know whats copy and paste. Ill type up monster lyrics today and we can bold the copy and pastes. Why not have a guide somewhere. Ill make a seperate thread, so we can reffer back to it.
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And "stalking" is pronounced with Maryland's accent:
stocking/?st?k??/ instead of stalking/?st??k??/
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Good idea, but try and keep it to this thread. Administration won't like it if we branch out with other threads.
Exactly!!! When I first heard it as a believer, even I had to admit that it didn't sound like MJ would pronounce it like that! These nuances give more than enough reason for doubt!
Chamife
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http://drewacorn.com/?p=2758
What came out of the collaboration between Eddie and James Porte? It's a big mystery.
I'd like to know who wrote the Cascio songs. To me it's clear it wasn't Michael, so it had to be Eddie, James Porte or Jason Malachi. Jason is a productive songwriter too:
Example:
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu003405086 / 2009-04-23
Application Title: SophistaChics.
Title: SophistaChics.
Description: Electronic file (eservice)
Copyright Claimant: Jason E Cupeta d.b.a. Jason Malachi. Address: PO Box 733, Germantown, MD, 20875, United States.
Date of Creation: 2009
Authorship on Application: Jason Edward Cupeta, 1980- d.b.a. Jason Malachi; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics.
Alternative Title on Application: Sophistachix
Rights and Permissions: Jason E Cupeta, JMRP, PO Box 733, Germantown, MD, 20875, United States, (206) 309-8693, malachirecords@hotmail.com
Names: Cupeta, Jason Edward, 1980-
Cupeta, Jason E
Malachi, Jason
Jason Malachi
http://www.copyright.gov/records/
(when you type in Jason Malachi you can find more titles he is credited for lyrics)
Hope this is right info, because I sometimes don't know what to believe or not anymore. Maybe everyone can put anything on the net...
(and there are many similarities between the Cascio songs and his songs. 'Let me let go'-'Monster', 'What does it take'-'Soldier Boy'.)
I know James Porte produced for some big names, but only know of one song he (co?)wrote ('thinking about you' from Luther vandross) which had lyrics that were good, imo. 'Exotic dancer' he probably wrote too, but I'm not sure. So it's hard to say something about his songwriting
ETA: So what I'm going to do is compare the lyrics of songs Jason Malachi wrote for sure and compare them with lyrics from the Cascio songs. I will look for example jumping from past tense to present tense and other (langual) 'odd' similarities. (if I can find the time).
What came out of the collaboration between Eddie and James Porte? It's a big mystery.
I'd like to know who wrote the Cascio songs. To me it's clear it wasn't Michael, so it had to be Eddie, James Porte or Jason Malachi. Jason is a productive songwriter too:
Example:
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu003405086 / 2009-04-23
Application Title: SophistaChics.
Title: SophistaChics.
Description: Electronic file (eservice)
Copyright Claimant: Jason E Cupeta d.b.a. Jason Malachi. Address: PO Box 733, Germantown, MD, 20875, United States.
Date of Creation: 2009
Authorship on Application: Jason Edward Cupeta, 1980- d.b.a. Jason Malachi; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics.
Alternative Title on Application: Sophistachix
Rights and Permissions: Jason E Cupeta, JMRP, PO Box 733, Germantown, MD, 20875, United States, (206) 309-8693, malachirecords@hotmail.com
Names: Cupeta, Jason Edward, 1980-
Cupeta, Jason E
Malachi, Jason
Jason Malachi
http://www.copyright.gov/records/
(when you type in Jason Malachi you can find more titles he is credited for lyrics)
Hope this is right info, because I sometimes don't know what to believe or not anymore. Maybe everyone can put anything on the net...
(and there are many similarities between the Cascio songs and his songs. 'Let me let go'-'Monster', 'What does it take'-'Soldier Boy'.)
I know James Porte produced for some big names, but only know of one song he (co?)wrote ('thinking about you' from Luther vandross) which had lyrics that were good, imo. 'Exotic dancer' he probably wrote too, but I'm not sure. So it's hard to say something about his songwriting
ETA: So what I'm going to do is compare the lyrics of songs Jason Malachi wrote for sure and compare them with lyrics from the Cascio songs. I will look for example jumping from past tense to present tense and other (langual) 'odd' similarities. (if I can find the time).
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http://drewacorn.com/?p=2758
What came out of the collaboration between Eddie and James Porte? It's a big mystery.
I'd like to know who wrote the Cascio songs. To me it's clear it wasn't Michael, so it had to be Eddie, James Porte or Jason Malachi. Jason is a productive songwriter too:
Example:
Type of Work: Music
Registration Number / Date: PAu003405086 / 2009-04-23
Application Title: SophistaChics.
Title: SophistaChics.
Description: Electronic file (eservice)
Copyright Claimant: Jason E Cupeta d.b.a. Jason Malachi. Address: PO Box 733, Germantown, MD, 20875, United States.
Date of Creation: 2009
Authorship on Application: Jason Edward Cupeta, 1980- d.b.a. Jason Malachi; Domicile: United States; Citizenship: United States. Authorship: music, lyrics.
Alternative Title on Application: Sophistachix
Rights and Permissions: Jason E Cupeta, JMRP, PO Box 733, Germantown, MD, 20875, United States, (206) 309-8693, malachirecords@hotmail.com
Names: Cupeta, Jason Edward, 1980-
Cupeta, Jason E
Malachi, Jason
Jason Malachi
http://www.copyright.gov/r
(when you type in Jason Malachi you can find more titles he is credited for lyrics)
Hope this is right info, because I sometimes don't know what to believe or not anymore. Maybe everyone can put anything on the net...
(and there are many similarities between the Cascio songs and his songs. 'Let me let go'-'Monster', 'What does it take'-'Soldier Boy'.)
I know James Porte produced for some big names, but only know of one song he (co?)wrote ('thinking about you' from Luther vandross) which had lyrics that were good, imo. 'Exotic dancer' he probably wrote too, but I'm not sure. So it's hard to say something about his songwriting
ETA: So what I'm going to do is compare the lyrics of songs Jason Malachi wrote for sure and compare them with lyrics from the Cascio songs. I will look for example jumping from past tense to present tense and other (langual) 'odd' similarities. (if I can find the time).
You can do it, but honestly I think that would be a waste of time. If there were several people involved in lyrics it's almosot impossible to dig up Jason's style. Especially, because Jason himself is inspired by MJ. So, I wouldn't go that way.
I've been listening to Jason's songs for a week or two now in order to get as much familiar as I can to his voice and accent. I have found some objective common things between Jason and the Cascio singer. But I must be honest, so far I've found only few common things.
Isn't that obvious, since he is from Maryland?
Edit: Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNKuuW9DQF4&feature=youtu.be&t=2m27s Coincidence that Eminem mentions Malachi and Jason in 5 seconds?
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I need an objective proof that the accent is from Maryland, and I have it now. But as I said, it's only for few words. I've found other words too. But I need to listen more, because the heavy majority of words is just plain standard American Engish without any distinctive or heavy pronunciation (which is also typical for someone from Maryland actually).
Chamife
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According to the album credits there were three involved with the lyrics: Eddie Cascio, James Porte and Michael Jackson. Or do you mean Jason's songs?
I agree with you it probably won't prove much, but I've never really looked deeper into this. Gotta write down the lyrics of Jason's own written songs first (only a few of them already are written down) and then compare them with all the Cascio material. Maybe lyrics look different if you see them in front of you, instead of listening to them.
It's something I've wanted to do from the beginning, but never had (made) the time for.
We'll see.
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Ok do it. As far as I'm concerned those lyrics are mash-ups of MJ's previous lyrics. That's the most careful thing they did, except that some rhymes and expressions really suck.
make sure that you leave out Jason Malachi covers. For example as I posted before "let me let go" is not a Malachi song, It's Chris Trousdale.
Here's Chris performing it in 2006
Also be careful about the copyright registrations. I put Malachi, Jason as an author and some of them are SR (sound recording) which means he registered his performances and the lyrics part is murky. It could be lyrics that he just edited. (I saw let me let go in the SR registration that also had a lyrics credit - but as I know it's not written by Jason or for Jason, it must be a editing or addition in the version he used or that lyrics credit is for some songs and not for the others) I see 2 obvious lyric registrations under Jason Malachi name which is SophistaChics and Where has Freedom gone?
and doesn't make it not conclusive?
and as a person that has lived in VA for 8 years and have traveled all through east coast - although I cannot identify accents - my experience is that there's always an accent. I almost never experience a "plain American English".
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It depends. To some people the few words I've found could be conclusive. To others, it would be not sufficient. As far as I am concerned, I always try to get the maximum out of it befor ejumping to conclusions. All I can say so far is that the words I've found out have Maryland's pronunciation. Does it mean that it is Jason, or that there is only one vocalist? Objectively speaking not necessarily. However...
However... the absence of distinctive accent is typical for Marymand's region.
And I agree with you, everyone has an accent, that goes without saying. When I said plain American English, I meant by that that in the songs the way the words are pronounced, if I had to transcribe them phonetically, they match the phonetical pronunciation of the standard American English pronunciation as suggested by the dictionaries, except some words that happen to lean towards the Maryland's dialect. One (so far) of those words is identical to Northern part of Virgina dialect.
This latter is sometimes also used in Washington D.C., the city of origin of Jason Malachi.
for me to be conclusive you must at least include Porte to the examination. (and any other listed vocalist) and probably be able to show more than a few words.
For example Porte is raised and lived in Tennessee and later in New York. And parts of Tennessee and Maryland (and even new york) share the same dialect of Appalachian English.
Can you for sure say that it's not Porte's accent / dialect that you are hearing?
The hard thing here is that unfortunately these areas can share same/ similar accents and dialects. and where Porte is from isn't that far away from where Malachi is from.
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For the moment, I am actually listening to the accent(s) solely to identify it/them. All I can say is this word or that word is pronounced as in this or that region.
Thanks for the info regarding Tennessee & New York. I will take a close look to it if there is a word pronounced as in those regions.
But as I said, for the moment, the majority of the words I hear are pronounced with standard rhotic American English accent and common slang.
p.s. Could you send me some James Porte's songs, so I could listen to them and hear if he has the same or different accent?
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Well I hope that only song could be helpful. But I can't right now, because I am busy with something else.
The question is, would Michael use the same accent?
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There's one Porte song and I had already emailed it to you months and months ago.
Why does it have to be Michael? Can't it be Porte? Such as if his guide vocals is also used in creating the leads such as in the case of Paula Abdul - do you know that? Or could it be Michael recorded listening to Porte's guides and mimic his accent?
Why does it have to be Michael? Can't it be Porte? Such as if his guide vocals is also used in creating the leads such as in the case of Paula Abdul - do you know that? Or could it be Michael recorded listening to Porte's guides and mimic his accent?
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Mimicing portes accent?
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Why does it have to be Michael?
Well, because:
-he is credited
-the words in the middle of a sentence don't make sense to be James Porte
-the refrain is usually sung by the artist himself (MJ in this case)
-the same voice in one sentence (supposed to be Michael), would suggest that the word with a different accent is also pronounced by the same person
-there should be a clear difference between (supposedly) Michael's voice and Porte's voice, or else the whole songs could have been sung by Porte.
regarding the song you sent to me months ago, I don't have it on this laptop,
p.s. Michael reproducing someone else's accent would be too much trouble for actually nothing at all. Michael's accent was just fine as it always was.
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we heard that those songs were recorded by porte before. Assuming that Michael was listening to Porte recorded vocals when he's recording his vocals - yes. This would especially make sense if these vocals were intended to be for Porte's songs , he would have made his vocals fit with Porte's.
also side note a good singer would be able to mimic any accent and any word. for example I have experienced the singer I worked with to record in Italian by just listening to another singer in his headphones when he knew not a single Italian word.
okay time for Paula Abdul Case.
Paula Abdul's record company was sued by her back vocalist saying that she is on the leads and she should be credited as such and should get more money. It turned out that the back vocalist was indeed called to record the leads and her guide vocals has been used on the leads with Paula Abdul's vocals as well. Babyface (or LA. Reid) testified that they used all her guide vocals in the leads to strengthen / layer the vocals and it's common practice that they do - that he even left his own guide vocals on Michael Jackson songs. In the end Paula Abdul won and the back vocalist lost.
this is indeed a common practice especially when you have a weaker singer. Layering the vocals with other singers make them more richer. and no depending on how you mix it doesn't sound like a chorus , I asked around.
So that's what I was asking about. What if Porte's vocals is also in the leads and mixed down with Michael's in not so obvious manner? and in some instances you hear his predominant accent.
Chamife
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how about a -6db mix down porte? (it's been a long time I forgot what they said about mixing it by not making it sounding like a chorus)
We aren't talking about an obvious porte, we are talking about porte vocals mixed with Michael vocals.
that's what he testified in court but didn't give a specific song name. He gave multiple artists names - including Michael - that they used backvocalists guidevocals layered on lead vocals. and those would be hard to identify if you don't know it. They mix down the other vocals to strengthen the leads, they don't leave them as obvious choruses.
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We don't know for a fact that any of these songs, apart from possibly Soldier Boy (2005 registration), were recorded by Porte originally. There is no evidence of that. Not to mention that certain songs are clearly written to be MJ songs. I still maintain that the majority of the songs were written after Michael's death, especially Water, Black Widow, Burn 2Nite for reasons I have explained before.