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Michael - The Great Album Debate

So, just a question to Ivy, as I can see her lurking from a dark and scary corner of the forum, are we allowed to post comparisons of the Cascio tracks on this thread (as it's a hidden thread) ? :)
 
^^ Bumper, you're missing 'KYHU' from your siggy...Does that mean you think it's real? :D
 
No seriously, I always said that I had more difficulties with slower songs, but not a slightest doubt with faster songs.
 
I know, but I still don't hear Mike in KYHU....I'm more sensitive to the ballads..
 
K, I'm out for a bit....We need to get a new microwave :bugeyed What will I do without one????

Laterz!! ;)
 
Those balls are huge! :rofl:

Regarding that 'waiting' analysis...it's brilliant...it's sad that so many people are ignoring the obvious pronunciation issue....That's total proof right there...along with the snorts...:D I don't know how someone can contest that ...Even if you don't hear it's Jason on these songs, the pronunciation is very obvious, and should raise a red flag, no? Especially since we've never heard Michael pronounce it like that....

@ivy, are we allowed to post comparisons?
 
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I've just made a "waiting" comparison, but I don't know if we're allowed to post it.
 
BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Now imagine a scenario in which somehow it is proved that MJ isn't the lead vocalist. Let's say his vocals are simply pasted from other demo sessions.
Parallely to these vocals another singer covers the most part of the songs. Wouldn't that be considered either as as a duet or featuring vocals by MJ which are included in the term "previously unreleased vocals"?
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Generally speaking a second vocal could be anything from a duet to featuring to back vocals - depending on the agreement and amount of contribution. Regardless of the amount / situation that person has to be credited. so the question becomes in your example : who is the another singer? is he credited?

Now a subquestion. What legal grounds could SONY use if the Cascio lead singer is proven to be someone else?
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do you know the lawsuit of Yvette Marine vs. Virgin Records? Let me tell it

1991 - The era of not required music credits and Milli Vanilli, Black box, Technotronic, C&C music factory etc with "models / dancers" as lip sync while the real singers go uncredited. Paula Abdul releases her first album. Her background vocalist Yvette Marine sues Virgin Records.

Yvette says she was hired to sing guide vocals and back vocals. Virgin agrees that this is true. She was indeed hired as a session musician and paid accordingly.
Yvette says on 3 songs of her guide vocals wasn't deleted but instead used in the final songs to create a "composite" lead with Paula Albul's vocals. (Remember when I said a similar thing and TPIMaster claimed it was impossible :p anyway). Yvette argued that therefore she was the "co-lead" and should be credited as such and that she should receive royalties. She also said that the album lacked "truth-in-packaging and truth-in-advertising"
Virgin denied it saying that it wasn't a composite co-lead, she only was on minimal background vocal parts and she was credited for it. (Yes she was credited for the back vocals)

In the end Yvette lost and Virgin records won because the jury thought that "background vocals" was an adequate enough credit. (even though her whole guide vocal was left in one song as a double)

Interesting fact : La Reid testified that he used vocal doubling on artists including Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and Bobby Brown and always credited such as background. link

so in short by using the above lawsuit as a precedent I think they can only get away with a credited but composite vocal.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
Ivy is here too you know. She's been faithfully watching over this thread.
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I was outside not across the computer.

BUMPER SNIPPET said:
So, just a question to Ivy, as I can see her lurking from a dark and scary corner of the forum, are we allowed to post comparisons of the Cascio tracks on this thread (as it's a hidden thread) ? :)
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hmm ask Gaz to be sure but I don't think so. Nothing whatsoever about the leaked tracks , that's certain. I don't know about the released tracks (BN, KYHU and Monster) but to be sure I'll say no.
 
ivy said:
Generally speaking a second vocal could be anything from a duet to featuring to back vocals - depending on the agreement and amount of contribution. Regardless of the amount / situation that person has to be credited. so the question becomes in your example : who is the another singer? is he credited?



do you know the lawsuit of Yvette Marine vs. Virgin Records? Let me tell it

1991 - The era of not required music credits and Milli Vanilli, Black box, Technotronic, C&C music factory etc with "models / dancers" as lip sync while the real singers go uncredited. Paula Abdul releases her first album. Her background vocalist Yvette Marine sues Virgin Records.

Yvette says she was hired to sing guide vocals and back vocals. Virgin agrees that this is true. She was indeed hired as a session musician and paid accordingly.
Yvette says on 3 songs of her guide vocals wasn't deleted but instead used in the final songs to create a "composite" lead with Paula Albul's vocals. (Remember when I said a similar thing and TPIMaster claimed it was impossible :p anyway). Yvette argued that therefore she was the "co-lead" and should be credited as such and that she should receive royalties. She also said that the album lacked "truth-in-packaging and truth-in-advertising"
Virgin denied it saying that it wasn't a composite co-lead, she only was on minimal background vocal parts and she was credited for it. (Yes she was credited for the back vocals)

In the end Yvette lost and Virgin records won because the jury thought that "background vocals" was an adequate enough credit. (even though her whole guide vocal was left in one song as a double)

Interesting fact : La Reid testified that he used vocal doubling on artists including Whitney Houston, Michael Jackson and Bobby Brown and always credited such as background. link

so in short by using the above lawsuit as a precedent I think they can only get away with a credited but composite vocal.



I was outside not across the computer.



hmm ask Gaz to be sure but I don't think so. Nothing whatsoever about the leaked tracks , that's certain. I don't know about the released tracks (BN, KYHU and Monster) but to be sure I'll say no.
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Ok, thanks for your answer.

Can I post it just for few minutes for those who are present, then I'll remove it quickly? The aim is purely observational, nothing more. I have one word from each song (HMH, Nite Line, Someone in the dark, Monster, Stay) put side a side and that's it. The word is "waiting".
 
This thread is getting off topic and the pics are really
innapropriate for this discussion :censored: Monkey Balls :cheeky:

Guys complaints have come in to the mod forum .. please try and keep
your sexual innuendos to a minimum or take it to the PMs or a Motel .. LOL

Thanks for your cooperation :)
 
^^ Someone reported the monkey balls? :no: It's all in fun...It's better than fighting ;)
 
If you want to see them that bad just have bumper PM the Monkey balls to you

Wow this was never mentioned in my job discription :)
 
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Wow... :unsure: this thread is still walking... >
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