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Mister_Jay_Tee said:
Well, I ask you again, Elvis has been documented sleeping over with under age girls. Why does no one seem too particularly stressed about that statement. You don't even have to answer me, please don't actually. It's rhetorical, to make you think.

A more obvious example, R.Kelly. his crimes are very well documented. There's very literal video evidence of how sordid and sick he was. Why did we not only not care, but they actually dare to make jokes about it? Even portray it on the Boondocks lol.

It's about mental association, and unspoken bias. Because MJ is accused of sodomy and being a Gay Pedophile, there's an undercurrent of homophobia involved outright. If even MJ was accused of exploting a girl, how would people take it? Would it depend on her race as well. Just really think about what makes you uncomfortable. If it is as simple as sleepovers then maybe, I won't say I don't get it, I'll begrudge you that.
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I don't know why you keep obsessing over Elvis and attempting to compare him with Michael Jackson.

You are aware that Elvis has never been accused of child molestation? Elvis never paid off a boy for 30 million and then was accused again 10 years later and faced trial.

There's a reason why these alleged stories about Elvis and underage girls hasn't gone very far. It's just rumours, nothing else.

Priscilla, who he did meet at 14 and married at 21 has never once in her life said that anything inappropriate happened.whilst underage. She has done wonders for his career.

Elvis's career has never been rocked due to allegations like this. Michael's did.

If Elvis was such a predator and 'more suspicious' than MJ, why would MJ even be involved with his daughter?

You keep trying to bring up Elvis. Do you have something against him?
 
mjfanboy27 said:
I saw it at the end it got angry when everyone was convinced by robson safechuck's statements, the woman said there should be a process for the truth, and we have it now
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I remember that also, clearly they didnt do research to validate their claims, like most people dont except the fans.

I thought overall it was an interesting perspective on Michaels persona. Even if I didnt agree with everything they said.

One thing I likes was the body language professional, stating that Michael was probably telling the truth based on the signs he looks analyses.
 
mjfanboy27 said:
I saw it at the end it got angry when everyone was convinced by robson safechuck's statements, the woman said there should be a process for the truth, and we have it now
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Yeah, just the typical mainstream stuff with our beloved MJ expert Diane Dimond 💩
 
BuffaloBill87 said:
I don't know why you keep obsessing over Elvis and attempting to compare him with Michael Jackson.

You are aware that Elvis has never been accused of child molestation? Elvis never paid off a boy for 30 million and then was accused again 10 years later and faced trial.

There's a reason why these alleged stories about Elvis and underage girls hasn't gone very far. It's just rumours, nothing else.

Priscilla, who he did meet at 14 and married at 21 has never once in her life said that anything inappropriate happened.whilst underage. She has done wonders for his career.

Elvis's career has never been rocked due to allegations like this. Michael's did.

If Elvis was such a predator and 'more suspicious' than MJ, why would MJ even be involved with his daughter?

You keep trying to bring up Elvis. Do you have something against him?
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Michael never paid anyone off. Let's be clear on that.

idioms.thefreedictionary.com

pay someone off

Definition of pay someone off in the Idioms Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
idioms.thefreedictionary.com idioms.thefreedictionary.com

A few examples on that site

To pay one money in exchange for special treatment or avoiding punishment; to bribe one.

Despite the huge amount of evidence, the criminal was still acquitted. He must have paid off the jury!

We paid off the committee members, so our application should go through without a hitc h.

Michael made sure he didn't admit any guilt, plus if the Chandlers wanted they could still have made moves. But didn't. What you say reminds me a lot of what haters and detractors say that are misinformed. He never paid anyone off. Please get that right.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Michael never paid anyone off. Let's be clear on that.

idioms.thefreedictionary.com

pay someone off

Definition of pay someone off in the Idioms Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
idioms.thefreedictionary.com idioms.thefreedictionary.com

A few examples on that site

To pay one money in exchange for special treatment or avoiding punishment; to bribe one.

Despite the huge amount of evidence, the criminal was still acquitted. He must have paid off the jury!

We paid off the committee members, so our application should go through without a hitc h.

Michael made sure he didn't admit any guilt, plus if the Chandlers wanted they could still have made moves. But didn't. What you say reminds me a lot of what haters and detractors say that are misinformed. He never paid anyone off. Please get that right.
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What was the 30 million for then? Sweets and pop?
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
Michael never paid anyone off. Let's be clear on that.

idioms.thefreedictionary.com

pay someone off

Definition of pay someone off in the Idioms Dictionary by The Free Dictionary
idioms.thefreedictionary.com idioms.thefreedictionary.com

A few examples on that site

To pay one money in exchange for special treatment or avoiding punishment; to bribe one.

Despite the huge amount of evidence, the criminal was still acquitted. He must have paid off the jury!

We paid off the committee members, so our application should go through without a hitc h.

Michael made sure he didn't admit any guilt, plus if the Chandlers wanted they could still have made moves. But didn't. What you say reminds me a lot of what haters and detractors say that are misinformed. He never paid anyone off. Please get that right.
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He kinda did man, no shame in accepting that. It was a mistake, Michael said it himself multiple times. He was advised to do the settlement to not go to trial.
 
I originally found these Pluto videos bc @Lightbringer posted some on another thread. I think they are really good, very clear, very helpful. This one is specifically about the $15m settlement that Michael made in 1994. The media likes to pretend that Michael 'paid off' the Chandlers but he didn't. It might not look like a good decision now and Michael did say in later years that it was a mistake (or that he regretted it, I can't remember exactly how he phrased it) but it's important to remember that, at the time, he was caught between a rock and a hard place.

The lawyer in this video is not a civil litigation lawyer. Civil law is not her field of expertise. But she is a lawyer and she knows how to read and interpret a contract / agreement / settlement.

The video is 24m 48s



There is also this:

"One of the myths regarding this settlement is that “Michael Jackson bought his way out of a criminal indictment“. The fact is, however, the settlement resolved the civil proceedings, not the criminal. In fact, under American law one is not allowed to settle a criminal case. The criminal proceedings proceeded after this settlement and nothing in the settlement prevented the Chandlers from testifying against Jackson in a criminal court. Los Angeles district attorney, Gil Garcetti said right after the Chandler settlement in January 1994:

“The criminal investigation of singer Michael Jackson is ongoing and will not be affected by the announcement of the civil case settlement,” Garcetti said. “The district attorney’s office is taking Mr. [Larry] Feldman [the Chandlers’ attorney] at his word that the alleged victim will be allowed to testify and that there has been no agreement in the civil matter that will affect cooperation in the criminal investigation.” [3]
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In a press conference, right after the settlement the Chandler’s lawyer, Larry Feldman himself stated that “nobody’s bought anybody’s silence”:

“Neither side would discuss the terms of the settlement, which was announced after a meeting with Superior Court Judge David Rothman in the Santa Monica Courthouse. But the boy’s lawyer insisted that “nobody’s bought anybody’s silence” and that his client will continue to cooperate in a criminal investigation against Jackson.”
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which comes from this blog which I already flagged upthread:

themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com

The Michael Jackson Allegations

A comprehensive discussion of the child abuse allegations against pop star Michael Jackson.
themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com
 
It's been a long time since I read up on this on the VindicateMJ website, but Michael at first didn't want to settle. He wanted the criminal case to go first, since that is more fair, the judge wanted nothing of it. As you can see with this (possibly) upcoming trial, that's a civil case and doesn't sound very fair at all. Michael was advised by his insurance companies and others to settle. Apparently LMP had a hand in it too, but that I don't know for a fact.

To pay someone off sounds to me like buying someone's silence, this never was the case at all. As explained a few posts back, there was plenty that the Chandlers could do, even after the settlement. I wish everyone out there knew this, because many who remain wilfully ignorant believe he truly bought their silence.
 
To pay someone off sounds to me like buying someone's silence, this never was the case at all. As explained a few posts back, there was plenty that the Chandlers could do, even after the settlement. I wish everyone out there knew this, because many who remain wilfully ignorant believe he truly bought their silence.
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excatly the chandlers accepted the money and stayed silent if evan truly cared for jordys welfare after being ''molested'' by mj he wouldve still gone for the criminal case if he wanted to but he chose the money instead of going after mj.
 
zinniabooklover said:
I originally found these Pluto videos bc @Lightbringer posted some on another thread. I think they are really good, very clear, very helpful. This one is specifically about the $15m settlement that Michael made in 1994. The media likes to pretend that Michael 'paid off' the Chandlers but he didn't. It might not look like a good decision now and Michael did say in later years that it was a mistake (or that he regretted it, I can't remember exactly how he phrased it) but it's important to remember that, at the time, he was caught between a rock and a hard place.

The lawyer in this video is not a civil litigation lawyer. Civil law is not her field of expertise. But she is a lawyer and she knows how to read and interpret a contract / agreement / settlement.

The video is 24m 48s



There is also this:

"One of the myths regarding this settlement is that “Michael Jackson bought his way out of a criminal indictment“. The fact is, however, the settlement resolved the civil proceedings, not the criminal. In fact, under American law one is not allowed to settle a criminal case. The criminal proceedings proceeded after this settlement and nothing in the settlement prevented the Chandlers from testifying against Jackson in a criminal court. Los Angeles district attorney, Gil Garcetti said right after the Chandler settlement in January 1994:


In a press conference, right after the settlement the Chandler’s lawyer, Larry Feldman himself stated that “nobody’s bought anybody’s silence”:


which comes from this blog which I already flagged upthread:

themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com

The Michael Jackson Allegations

A comprehensive discussion of the child abuse allegations against pop star Michael Jackson.
themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com themichaeljacksonallegationsblog.wordpress.com
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Yes. I wish some people here (which I will not call out by name) would do a little research instead of spreading misinformation. Thank you, Zinnia, for this and all your other very informative posts. This is what’s needed.
 
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Staffordshire Bullterrier said:
It's been a long time since I read up on this on the VindicateMJ website, but Michael at first didn't want to settle. He wanted the criminal case to go first, since that is more fair, the judge wanted nothing of it. As you can see with this (possibly) upcoming trial, that's a civil case and doesn't sound very fair at all. Michael was advised by his insurance companies and others to settle. Apparently LMP had a hand in it too, but that I don't know for a fact.

To pay someone off sounds to me like buying someone's silence, this never was the case at all. As explained a few posts back, there was plenty that the Chandlers could do, even after the settlement. I wish everyone out there knew this, because many who remain wilfully ignorant believe he truly bought their silence.
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Frankly, I find it concerning and sad that people on here — a Michael Jackson fan forum, for Pete’s sake! — obviously haven’t read up on this. To describe it as a “pay off” is plain wrong.
 
8701girl said:
excatly the chandlers accepted the money and stayed silent if evan truly cared for jordys welfare after being ''molested'' by mj he wouldve still gone for the criminal case if he wanted to but he chose the money instead of going after mj.
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Yep. That is very telling. The motive was money.
 
Agonum said:
Frankly, I find it concerning and sad that people on here — a Michael Jackson fan forum, for Pete’s sake! — obviously haven’t read up on this. To describe it as a “pay off” is plain wrong.
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It was a pay off though
 
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