sunnyday81
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Re: Psychic channels Michael
Thanks Emma! Can't wait for your next channeling tomorrow!
Thanks Emma! Can't wait for your next channeling tomorrow!
I get that too usually on my forehead, especially when I try to meditate or when I just think about it! Anyone know what it is?Thanks again Emma. Looking forward to the new channeling.
I get the tingling too, but it's usually in different areas on my head.
Oh yeah, I thought it might be that! So far it's half-closed though! haha! lolYour welcome
Sunnyday, it maybe your third eye opening
even now. when i read this topic my arms feel tingling and heavy......
i feel like there is some power, my own or someone else his........every night i burn a candle and some incense next to his picure, i talk to him also a lot. last week i lay down in the middle of the night in my garden, listened michael,s music and saw 3 stars falling......it was magical.....
Oh yeah, I thought it might be that! So far it's half-closed though! haha! lol
That's interesting, thanks! Well, then mine must be fully blocked! lolWell it may be fully open, people have different experiences, the third eye is just made for seeing spirits that way or seeing images etc while meditating. Mine started off as a pressure of slight discomfort.
The MJ case trial and supernatural are not exactly good comparisons to prove why science is the only way or not to prove the afterlife. For many people there IS proof of the afterlife, even by scientists, and just because it doesn't always fit the earthly criteria or the scientific method does not make it wrong or non-existent nor does it mean we reject science. The funding of course will always go to cancer research (I know as I work as a scientist in this exact field) and not in "silly" things like an afterlife proof.
Anyway, this is a psychic thread, not a discussion about if supernatural or not exists. As others have said I could perhaps discuss this with agnostics but NOT extreme sceptics, because they will never change their mind (until they day they die of course lol). Same way I couldn't change the mind of the religious martyrs who blow up themselves in the promise of meeting 77 or so virgins in heaven... Extreme views are never good either way.
If you find it disturbing, that's fine. I will not go into detail right now why I disagree with your posts as this is not the point of the whole thread. All I will say is I beg to differ. Thanks.Quote
I didn't compare the two, I made an analogy to show the faulty logic being used here.
The reason I chose the trial for the analogy is because most people here can relate to it. I could use other examples so that you maybe understand what I am trying to show here.
At least the trial did happen. The difference between the supernatural and the trail is the trial is real, the supernatural is nothing but the human imagination running wild.
It is simple. When you claim to know something, it means you should have a way of proving it. But when people make claims and are unable to prove it, it shows that you do not make for a good case. It is not enough to simply say I had an experience and it has to be supernatural because you are unable to prove that this experience has anything to do with anything other then the supernatural.
I could come up with tons of natural logical explanations for any experience, and no one would be able to refute it with other then "I know what I felt/experienced"
The truth is you don't know, and when people claim otherwise I find that disturbing.
One other reason I mentioned the trial is because in the court system the scientific method is used when laywers try to prove their case. This method is used everywhere when people want to find out what is happening. The method works perfectly and it makes sure one avoids letting personal feelings get in the way of logical judgement. And when dealing with events, one must critically ask questions if one wants to find out the truth.
Like these questions for example
How do you know you were not halusinating. Maybe you are schizofrenic. Maybe you want this to be true? nd that is where most people step in the mud. When you apply special pleeding people will not believe you.
Here is another example from the trial, that shows this. Gavins mother tried to plead with the jury that she was not lying, and that backfired.
There are tons of reasons why people think they experiencing something, and to say that for example that you smell something and because you don't know what it is, it has to be something supernatural is nothing more then wishful thinking, because you DON'T know that it is supernatural. You don't even know if anything supernatural exists. It is a belief. And belief is not fact. Why people argue against this I don't understand.
If you believe it fine, you are welcome to. But when you say you know, you step into the realm of science. And from there things get complicated.
I find it disturbing that everytime people can't figure out why something happens, they make it up.
And when called upon that, they make excuses.
Thats what humans did thousands of years ago when we knew nothing about the world. The Vikings used to believe thunder was Odin being pissed off and letting his rage out. Today we know why thunder exists. Thanks to the scientific method.
Here is another analogy to show how the logic becomes circular.
My mother is the queen of Alpha Centauri and I am the Prince. I really really believe it and no one can prove otherwise. That must mean I could be right.
How about being honest for once and saying "I don't know what happened, but I believe it could be X or Y"
And you are so way off when you say I will never change my mind.
My mind is open, but I apply critical thinking when dealing with other people's claims.
That is called being rational. If you can provide empirical evidence(make sure you know what that word means) that anything supernatural exists or can exist, then I will listen. But if you say you know it exists because you believe it exist and because you have no other explanation, my skeptic mind tells me you are talking BS.
I don't mean that in an offensive way, but that is what I think when I hear all this.
:yes:Fair enough you are entiltled to your opinion, but this is my 2 pennies worth.
If you say the supernatural is the imagination, how can you prove that even the imagination exists as well, people fear and refuse to believe in anything because its something they don't understand.
How about mediums who get everything spot on every single time, they CANNOT make guesses over and over and over and get them 100% correct, its impossible to guess so many times and get it right. I have a mediumship reading and I gave no information what so ever and everything was correct.
I have NEVER suffered from any mental illness, nor have I suffered from Schizophrenia and many other psychics are perfectly healthy.
When it comes to working with spirits or other kind of being, there is no physical proof, spirits won't manifest themselves in front you for fun. Many people think you have to see to believe, well you can't believe in the fresh air that you breath? Fresh air is there but you can't see it can you?
Fair enough you are entiltled to your opinion, but this is my 2 pennies worth.
If you say the supernatural is the imagination, how can you prove that even the imagination exists as well, people fear and refuse to believe in anything supernatural because its something they don't understand.
How about mediums who get everything spot on every single time, they CANNOT make guesses over and over and over and get them 100% correct, its impossible to guess so many times and get it right. I have a mediumship reading and I gave no information what so ever and everything was correct.
I have NEVER suffered from any mental illness, nor have I suffered from Schizophrenia and many other psychics are perfectly healthy.
When it comes to working with spirits or other kind of being, there is no physical proof, spirits won't manifest themselves in front you for fun. Many people think you have to see to believe, well you can't believe in the fresh air that you breath? Fresh air is there but you can't see it can you?
Fair enough you are entiltled to your opinion, but this is my 2 pennies worth.
If you say the supernatural is the imagination, how can you prove that even the imagination exists as well, people fear and refuse to believe in anything supernatural because its something they don't understand.
How about mediums who get everything spot on every single time, they CANNOT make guesses over and over and over and get them 100% correct, its impossible to guess so many times and get it right. I have a mediumship reading and I gave no information what so ever and everything was correct.
I have NEVER suffered from any mental illness, nor have I suffered from Schizophrenia and many other psychics are perfectly healthy.
When it comes to working with spirits or other kind of being, there is no physical proof, spirits won't manifest themselves in front you for fun. Many people think you have to see to believe, well you can't believe in the fresh air that you breath? Fresh air is there but you can't see it can you?
Maybe because this is NOT the thread to do so???? This thread was created for like-minded people mostly.Circular argument and unsubstantiated reasoning.
David Copperfield and other magicians perform the exact same tricks on people, and if you wish to see how it is done, check out James Randi. He is the master of debunking this crap.
I didn't say you have to have suffered from a mental illness to believe this, I used it as an example of a rational explanation to show that you do not ask the proper questions before making a conclusion.
And yes I can prove that something comes straight from your imagination, by analyzing your logic and your evidence. It is called deductible reasoning.
And the reason I know that there is air, is because I can feel it and I breath it. Furthermore, the reason why we know the air consists of oxygen nitrogen and other elements is because we can measure it. That is the difference. You use the "what the eye can not see" argument but you forget that the human eye only can see a few per cent of the light spectrum and we can not see for example ultraviolet light, but we can detect it by using technology.
And again, you just made alot of claims about spirits, what they do and what they don't. But that is nothing more then an assertion. How do you know?
You say I fear and don't understand the supernatural? How do you know that?
And funny you should claim so, since I so graphically and logically explained WHY I don't believe it.
Why do you ignore my arguments? I don't ignore yours.
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I know any sceptic's answer to that though. Empirical evidence exists NOW for everything we may come up with (X-rays, radiowaves, fresh air with oxygen, anything that we can't see). They avoid the fact that empirical evidence goes hand in hand with a thing called TIME. :cheeky:
Here's another one though. How about UNCONDITIONAL and ALTRUISTIC love? (I'm intentionally avoiding love such as lust or romantic love as hormones and pheromones may come into play).
Maybe because this is NOT the thread to do so???? This thread was created for like-minded people mostly.
If you really like to have an argument create another thread please.
Then we could discuss WHY we know NOW about UV light, oxygen particles etc. My personal answer is one: TIME.
I just find this very insulting. Sorry...:no:
And how do you know about that?? Science has attempted but has not exactly proved that! Hehe:evil: LMAO!Sorry, but that is not what empirical means. Empirical means that you can demonstrate to me and anyone that what you say happens, is what happens.
Time is a physical description of motion.
Love is an emotion, and emotion are triggered by chemical reactions, and what you feel is your brain using its biological evolutionary interpretation of stimuli that triggers the chemical reaction, such as hormones and pheromones.
The reason why you are able to ignore it is because you have the ability to choose. Animals don't have that ability because they do not have the ability to think.
This is fun
:smilerolleyes:I think this thread should be closed, because MJJC has some members who are not feeling well because of Michaels death, and messing with this stuff could cause harm.
Insulting? Strange reaction.
I think this thread should be closed, because MJJC has some members who are not feeling well because of Michaels death, and messing with this stuff could cause harm.
But sure, I'll take this to the Atheist thread if you like.
Insulting? Strange reaction.
I think this thread should be closed, because MJJC has some members who are not feeling well because of Michaels death, and messing with this stuff could cause harm.
But sure, I'll take this to the Atheist thread if you like.
Circular argument and unsubstantiated reasoning.
David Copperfield and other magicians perform the exact same tricks on people, and if you wish to see how it is done, check out James Randi. He is the master of debunking this crap.
I didn't say you have to have suffered from a mental illness to believe this, I used it as an example of a rational explanation to show that you do not ask the proper questions before making a conclusion.
And yes I can prove that something comes straight from your imagination, by analyzing your logic and your evidence. It is called deductible reasoning.
And the reason I know that there is air, is because I can feel it and I breath it. Furthermore, the reason why we know the air consists of oxygen nitrogen and other elements is because we can measure it. That is the difference. You use the "what the eye can not see" argument but you forget that the human eye only can see a few per cent of the light spectrum and we can not see for example ultraviolet light, but we can detect it by using technology.
And again, you just made alot of claims about spirits, what they do and what they don't. But that is nothing more then an assertion. How do you know?
You say I fear and don't understand the supernatural? How do you know that?
And funny you should claim so, since I so graphically and logically explained WHY I don't believe it.
Why do you ignore my arguments? I don't ignore yours.
THANK YOU!!!! :clapping:Please, PLEASE if you don't like the topic of this thread then by all means stay away instead of talking down to people who enjoy it.
Please, PLEASE if you don't like the topic of this thread then by all means stay away instead of talking down to people who enjoy it.