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even now. when i read this topic my arms feel tingling and heavy......

i feel like there is some power, my own or someone else his........every night i burn a candle and some incense next to his picure, i talk to him also a lot. last week i lay down in the middle of the night in my garden, listened michael,s music and saw 3 stars falling......it was magical.....
 
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Thanks again Emma. Looking forward to the new channeling. :)

I get the tingling too, but it's usually in different areas on my head.
 
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Thanks again Emma. Looking forward to the new channeling. :)

I get the tingling too, but it's usually in different areas on my head.
I get that too usually on my forehead, especially when I try to meditate or when I just think about it! Anyone know what it is?
 
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even now. when i read this topic my arms feel tingling and heavy......

i feel like there is some power, my own or someone else his........every night i burn a candle and some incense next to his picure, i talk to him also a lot. last week i lay down in the middle of the night in my garden, listened michael,s music and saw 3 stars falling......it was magical.....


Oh that's beautiful.
He's with you. :)
 
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Oh yeah, I thought it might be that! So far it's half-closed though! haha! lol

Well it may be fully open, people have different experiences, the third eye is just made for seeing spirits that way or seeing images etc while meditating. Mine started off as a pressure of slight discomfort.
 
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Well it may be fully open, people have different experiences, the third eye is just made for seeing spirits that way or seeing images etc while meditating. Mine started off as a pressure of slight discomfort.
That's interesting, thanks! Well, then mine must be fully blocked! lol
By the way, I found some really nice videos for meditation on youtube if anyone's interested.
My favourite is the celestial journey. The music and images are just... magical! Michael would love this I'm sure!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSFKGAQpmi8
 
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The MJ case trial and supernatural are not exactly good comparisons to prove why science is the only way or not to prove the afterlife. For many people there IS proof of the afterlife, even by scientists, and just because it doesn't always fit the earthly criteria or the scientific method does not make it wrong or non-existent nor does it mean we reject science. The funding of course will always go to cancer research (I know as I work as a scientist in this exact field) and not in "silly" things like an afterlife proof.
Anyway, this is a psychic thread, not a discussion about if supernatural or not exists. As others have said I could perhaps discuss this with agnostics but NOT extreme sceptics, because they will never change their mind (until they day they die of course lol). Same way I couldn't change the mind of the religious martyrs who blow up themselves in the promise of meeting 77 or so virgins in heaven... Extreme views are never good either way.

There is no proof of the afterlife. No scientific study has ever shown any evidence for an afterlife. I wish you would stop saying that, because it is simply not true. Some people might believe it, and say "well it is true to me" But that is an opinion. Please understand the difference between subjective evidence and objective evidence.

And now about the trial I mentioned.

I didn't compare the two, I made an analogy to show the faulty logic being used here.

The reason I chose the trial for the analogy is because most people here can relate to it. I could use other examples so that you maybe understand what I am trying to show here.

At least the trial did happen. The difference between the supernatural and the trial is that the trial is real, the supernatural is nothing but the human imagination running wild.

It is simple. When you claim to know something, it means you should have a way of proving it. But when people make claims and are unable to prove it, it shows that you do not make for a good case. It is not enough to simply say I had an experience and it has to be supernatural because you are unable to prove that this experience has anything to do with anything other then the supernatural. That is an argument from ignorance.

I could come up with tons of natural logical explanations for any experience, and no one would be able to refute it with other then "I know what I felt/experienced"

The truth is you don't know, and when people claim otherwise I find that disturbing.

One other reason I mentioned the trial is because in the court system the scientific method is used when laywers try to prove their case. This method is used everywhere when people want to find out what is happening. The method works perfectly and it makes sure one avoids letting personal feelings get in the way of logical judgement. And when dealing with events, one must critically ask questions if one wants to find out the truth.

Like these questions for example:)

How do you know you were not halusinating? Maybe you are schizofrenic. Maybe you want this to be true? And that is where most people step in the mud. When you apply special pleading people will not believe you. If I tell you I was abducted by aliens, you would most likely not believe me. Why not? Aliens are likely to exist. The reason you most likely would not believe me is 1: This claim has been made before by others and never proven 2: I can't prove this to you, so your logical thinking leads you to not believing me. And you are correct. I should not make such a claim, because I can't prove it.

Here is another example from the trial, that shows this. Gavins mother tried to plead with the jury that she was not lying, and that backfired.

There are tons of reasons why people think they experiencing something, and to say that for example that you smell something and because you don't know what it is, it has to be something supernatural is nothing more then wishful thinking, because you DON'T know that it is supernatural. You don't even know if anything supernatural exists. It is a belief. And belief is not fact. Why people argue against this I don't understand.

If you believe it fine, you are welcome to. But when you say you know, you step into the realm of science. And from there things get complicated.

I find it disturbing that everytime people can't figure out why something happens, they make it up.


And when called upon that, they make excuses.

Thats what humans did thousands of years ago when we knew nothing about the world. The Vikings used to believe thunder was Odin being pissed off and letting his rage out. Today we know why thunder exists. Thanks to the scientific method.


Here is another analogy to show how the logic becomes circular.


My mother is the queen of Alpha Centauri and I am the Prince. I really really believe it and no one can prove otherwise. That must mean I could be right.

How about being honest for once and saying "I don't know what happened, but I believe it could be X or Y"

And you are so way off when you say I will never change my mind.

My mind is open, but I apply critical thinking when dealing with other people's claims.

That is called being rational. If you can provide empirical evidence(make sure you know what that word means) that anything supernatural exists or can exist, then I will listen. But if you say you know it exists because you believe it exist and because you have no other explanation, my skeptic mind tells me you are talking BS.

I don't mean that in an offensive way, but that is what I think when I hear all this.

If it had not been for the fact that members of this forum has commited suicide I would not bother to discuss any of this. But members have committed suicide and I know how dangerous it is to mess with stuff like this when you are in emotional distress. I have seen people destroy themselves because of stuff like this, and I know that authorities could very well shut this site down if more people hurt themselves and find all this stuff in here.

I don't expect you guys to understand, but I wish the people who run this forum understood and kept this out until people can get over the fact that Michael Jackson is dead.

But I can't do anything about it, so you might as well continue this none sense

I just hope and wish people could find better ways to deal with the pain of losing Michael.
 
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If you find it disturbing, that's fine. I will not go into detail right now why I disagree with your posts as this is not the point of the whole thread. All I will say is I beg to differ. Thanks. :)
edit: I know what empirical means. It's a Greek word and I'm Greek! lol
 
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I didn't compare the two, I made an analogy to show the faulty logic being used here.

The reason I chose the trial for the analogy is because most people here can relate to it. I could use other examples so that you maybe understand what I am trying to show here.

At least the trial did happen. The difference between the supernatural and the trail is the trial is real, the supernatural is nothing but the human imagination running wild.

It is simple. When you claim to know something, it means you should have a way of proving it. But when people make claims and are unable to prove it, it shows that you do not make for a good case. It is not enough to simply say I had an experience and it has to be supernatural because you are unable to prove that this experience has anything to do with anything other then the supernatural.

I could come up with tons of natural logical explanations for any experience, and no one would be able to refute it with other then "I know what I felt/experienced"

The truth is you don't know, and when people claim otherwise I find that disturbing.

One other reason I mentioned the trial is because in the court system the scientific method is used when laywers try to prove their case. This method is used everywhere when people want to find out what is happening. The method works perfectly and it makes sure one avoids letting personal feelings get in the way of logical judgement. And when dealing with events, one must critically ask questions if one wants to find out the truth.

Like these questions for example:)

How do you know you were not halusinating. Maybe you are schizofrenic. Maybe you want this to be true? nd that is where most people step in the mud. When you apply special pleeding people will not believe you.

Here is another example from the trial, that shows this. Gavins mother tried to plead with the jury that she was not lying, and that backfired.

There are tons of reasons why people think they experiencing something, and to say that for example that you smell something and because you don't know what it is, it has to be something supernatural is nothing more then wishful thinking, because you DON'T know that it is supernatural. You don't even know if anything supernatural exists. It is a belief. And belief is not fact. Why people argue against this I don't understand.

If you believe it fine, you are welcome to. But when you say you know, you step into the realm of science. And from there things get complicated.

I find it disturbing that everytime people can't figure out why something happens, they make it up.


And when called upon that, they make excuses.

Thats what humans did thousands of years ago when we knew nothing about the world. The Vikings used to believe thunder was Odin being pissed off and letting his rage out. Today we know why thunder exists. Thanks to the scientific method.


Here is another analogy to show how the logic becomes circular.


My mother is the queen of Alpha Centauri and I am the Prince. I really really believe it and no one can prove otherwise. That must mean I could be right.

How about being honest for once and saying "I don't know what happened, but I believe it could be X or Y"

And you are so way off when you say I will never change my mind.

My mind is open, but I apply critical thinking when dealing with other people's claims.

That is called being rational. If you can provide empirical evidence(make sure you know what that word means) that anything supernatural exists or can exist, then I will listen. But if you say you know it exists because you believe it exist and because you have no other explanation, my skeptic mind tells me you are talking BS.

I don't mean that in an offensive way, but that is what I think when I hear all this.

Fair enough you are entiltled to your opinion, but this is my 2 pennies worth.

If you say the supernatural is the imagination, how can you prove that even the imagination exists as well, people fear and refuse to believe in anything supernatural because its something they don't understand.

How about mediums who get everything spot on every single time, they CANNOT make guesses over and over and over and get them 100% correct, its impossible to guess so many times and get it right. I have a mediumship reading and I gave no information what so ever and everything was correct.

I have NEVER suffered from any mental illness, nor have I suffered from Schizophrenia and many other psychics are perfectly healthy.

When it comes to working with spirits or other kind of being, there is no physical proof, spirits won't manifest themselves in front you for fun. Many people think you have to see to believe, well you can't believe in the fresh air that you breath? Fresh air is there but you can't see it can you?
 
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Fair enough you are entiltled to your opinion, but this is my 2 pennies worth.

If you say the supernatural is the imagination, how can you prove that even the imagination exists as well, people fear and refuse to believe in anything because its something they don't understand.

How about mediums who get everything spot on every single time, they CANNOT make guesses over and over and over and get them 100% correct, its impossible to guess so many times and get it right. I have a mediumship reading and I gave no information what so ever and everything was correct.

I have NEVER suffered from any mental illness, nor have I suffered from Schizophrenia and many other psychics are perfectly healthy.

When it comes to working with spirits or other kind of being, there is no physical proof, spirits won't manifest themselves in front you for fun. Many people think you have to see to believe, well you can't believe in the fresh air that you breath? Fresh air is there but you can't see it can you?
:yes:

I know any sceptic's answer to that though. Empirical evidence exists NOW for everything we may come up with (X-rays, radiowaves, fresh air with oxygen, anything that we can't see). They avoid the fact that empirical evidence goes hand in hand with a thing called TIME. :cheeky:

Here's another one though. How about UNCONDITIONAL and ALTRUISTIC love? (I'm intentionally avoiding love such as lust or romantic love as hormones and pheromones may come into play).
 
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Fair enough you are entiltled to your opinion, but this is my 2 pennies worth.

If you say the supernatural is the imagination, how can you prove that even the imagination exists as well, people fear and refuse to believe in anything supernatural because its something they don't understand.

How about mediums who get everything spot on every single time, they CANNOT make guesses over and over and over and get them 100% correct, its impossible to guess so many times and get it right. I have a mediumship reading and I gave no information what so ever and everything was correct.

I have NEVER suffered from any mental illness, nor have I suffered from Schizophrenia and many other psychics are perfectly healthy.

When it comes to working with spirits or other kind of being, there is no physical proof, spirits won't manifest themselves in front you for fun. Many people think you have to see to believe, well you can't believe in the fresh air that you breath? Fresh air is there but you can't see it can you?


:clap:

Good post. :yes:
 
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Fair enough you are entiltled to your opinion, but this is my 2 pennies worth.

If you say the supernatural is the imagination, how can you prove that even the imagination exists as well, people fear and refuse to believe in anything supernatural because its something they don't understand.

How about mediums who get everything spot on every single time, they CANNOT make guesses over and over and over and get them 100% correct, its impossible to guess so many times and get it right. I have a mediumship reading and I gave no information what so ever and everything was correct.

I have NEVER suffered from any mental illness, nor have I suffered from Schizophrenia and many other psychics are perfectly healthy.

When it comes to working with spirits or other kind of being, there is no physical proof, spirits won't manifest themselves in front you for fun. Many people think you have to see to believe, well you can't believe in the fresh air that you breath? Fresh air is there but you can't see it can you?

Circular argument and unsubstantiated reasoning.

David Copperfield and other magicians perform the exact same tricks on people, and if you wish to see how it is done, check out James Randi. He is the master of debunking this crap.

I didn't say you have to have suffered from a mental illness to believe this, I used it as an example of a rational explanation to show that you do not ask the proper questions before making a conclusion.

And yes I can prove that something comes straight from your imagination, by analyzing your logic and your evidence. It is called deductible reasoning.

And the reason I know that there is air, is because I can feel it and I breath it. Furthermore, the reason why we know the air consists of oxygen nitrogen and other elements is because we can measure it. That is the difference. You use the "what the eye can not see" argument but you forget that the human eye only can see a few per cent of the light spectrum and we can not see for example ultraviolet light, but we can detect it by using technology.

And again, you just made alot of claims about spirits, what they do and what they don't. But that is nothing more then an assertion. How do you know?

You say I fear and don't understand the supernatural? How do you know that?

And funny you should claim so, since I so graphically and logically explained WHY I don't believe it.

Why do you ignore my arguments? I don't ignore yours.
 
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Circular argument and unsubstantiated reasoning.

David Copperfield and other magicians perform the exact same tricks on people, and if you wish to see how it is done, check out James Randi. He is the master of debunking this crap.

I didn't say you have to have suffered from a mental illness to believe this, I used it as an example of a rational explanation to show that you do not ask the proper questions before making a conclusion.

And yes I can prove that something comes straight from your imagination, by analyzing your logic and your evidence. It is called deductible reasoning.

And the reason I know that there is air, is because I can feel it and I breath it. Furthermore, the reason why we know the air consists of oxygen nitrogen and other elements is because we can measure it. That is the difference. You use the "what the eye can not see" argument but you forget that the human eye only can see a few per cent of the light spectrum and we can not see for example ultraviolet light, but we can detect it by using technology.

And again, you just made alot of claims about spirits, what they do and what they don't. But that is nothing more then an assertion. How do you know?

You say I fear and don't understand the supernatural? How do you know that?

And funny you should claim so, since I so graphically and logically explained WHY I don't believe it.

Why do you ignore my arguments? I don't ignore yours.
Maybe because this is NOT the thread to do so???? This thread was created for like-minded people mostly.
If you really like to have an argument create another thread please.
Then we could discuss WHY we know NOW about UV light, oxygen particles etc. My personal answer is one: TIME.
I just find this very insulting. Sorry...:no:
 
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Mayby we can debate about this in a separate topic?

This topic was made for the messsages from Bonnie vent and it lets people share their own expieriences, i dont think a whole debate is appropiate in this particular topic.
 
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:yes:

I know any sceptic's answer to that though. Empirical evidence exists NOW for everything we may come up with (X-rays, radiowaves, fresh air with oxygen, anything that we can't see). They avoid the fact that empirical evidence goes hand in hand with a thing called TIME. :cheeky:

Here's another one though. How about UNCONDITIONAL and ALTRUISTIC love? (I'm intentionally avoiding love such as lust or romantic love as hormones and pheromones may come into play).

Sorry, but that is not what empirical means. Empirical means that you can demonstrate to me and anyone that what you say happens, is what happens.

Time is a physical description of motion.

Love is an emotion, and emotion are triggered by chemical reactions, and what you feel is your brain using its biological evolutionary interpretation of stimuli that triggers the chemical reaction, such as hormones and pheromones.

The reason why you are able to ignore it is because you have the ability to choose. Animals don't have that ability because they do not have the ability to think.

This is fun:)
 
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Maybe because this is NOT the thread to do so???? This thread was created for like-minded people mostly.
If you really like to have an argument create another thread please.
Then we could discuss WHY we know NOW about UV light, oxygen particles etc. My personal answer is one: TIME.
I just find this very insulting. Sorry...:no:

Insulting? Strange reaction. But it was not my intent though.

I think this thread should be closed, because MJJC has some members who are not feeling well because of Michaels death, and messing with this stuff could cause harm.

But sure, I'll take this to the Atheist thread if you like.
 
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Sorry, but that is not what empirical means. Empirical means that you can demonstrate to me and anyone that what you say happens, is what happens.

Time is a physical description of motion.

Love is an emotion, and emotion are triggered by chemical reactions, and what you feel is your brain using its biological evolutionary interpretation of stimuli that triggers the chemical reaction, such as hormones and pheromones.

The reason why you are able to ignore it is because you have the ability to choose. Animals don't have that ability because they do not have the ability to think.

This is fun:)
And how do you know about that?? Science has attempted but has not exactly proved that! Hehe:evil: LMAO!

No, this thread should NOT be closed. It actually HELPS the majority of people here. This is not the only thread you know dealing with such things... Half of the threads here since MJ's death should be closed by your logic.

And how can I prove altruistic love? There's a difference there and it's not hormones. Science has not proved altruistic love yet.
 
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I think this thread should be closed, because MJJC has some members who are not feeling well because of Michaels death, and messing with this stuff could cause harm.
:smilerolleyes:

the atheism causing a harm
 
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Insulting? Strange reaction.

I think this thread should be closed, because MJJC has some members who are not feeling well because of Michaels death, and messing with this stuff could cause harm.

But sure, I'll take this to the Atheist thread if you like.

this thread has to be closed to you? why dont we close the atheist thread for the people who are religious then? makes no sence. so lets leave this thread alone for the people who want to or DO believe theres something after death. people here were having nice conversation that i enjoyed reading. if you do not like a thread, you don't have to enter it, i don't like certain threads on here, and im happy to stay clear of them. people can't automatically conform to your own thoughts on the world.
 
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Insulting? Strange reaction.

I think this thread should be closed, because MJJC has some members who are not feeling well because of Michaels death, and messing with this stuff could cause harm.

But sure, I'll take this to the Atheist thread if you like.


Excuse you but some of us actually have faith and BELIEVE in something. If you don't agree with this thread, then don't post in it. What you're discussing is off-topic, take it to another thread. Just because YOU disagree doesn't mean that this kind of topic shouldn't be open for discussion. As you can see, there are many spiritual believers here and they want to share their thoughts. If you think this thread should be closed, how about the atheist thread be closed also?
 
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Circular argument and unsubstantiated reasoning.

David Copperfield and other magicians perform the exact same tricks on people, and if you wish to see how it is done, check out James Randi. He is the master of debunking this crap.

I didn't say you have to have suffered from a mental illness to believe this, I used it as an example of a rational explanation to show that you do not ask the proper questions before making a conclusion.

And yes I can prove that something comes straight from your imagination, by analyzing your logic and your evidence. It is called deductible reasoning.

And the reason I know that there is air, is because I can feel it and I breath it. Furthermore, the reason why we know the air consists of oxygen nitrogen and other elements is because we can measure it. That is the difference. You use the "what the eye can not see" argument but you forget that the human eye only can see a few per cent of the light spectrum and we can not see for example ultraviolet light, but we can detect it by using technology.

And again, you just made alot of claims about spirits, what they do and what they don't. But that is nothing more then an assertion. How do you know?

You say I fear and don't understand the supernatural? How do you know that?

And funny you should claim so, since I so graphically and logically explained WHY I don't believe it.

Why do you ignore my arguments? I don't ignore yours.

Performing little card tricks and being psychic are 2 complete different things all together. You think its crap, that's your opinion as I've already said.

And when I said people fear what they don't understand, I meant many people, not just you as an individual. I've learned what spirits do and don't do when working with them, obviously I won't know every single little detail, non of us will until we die and we pass over when our time comes. People fear it because its something they can't see or touch and they see everything paranormal as "dangerous" or "scary" when in fact it isn't at all.

When I did my message, I didn't ram it down people's throats, it was a take or leave it option and it was their choice to read it or not and I've much support from here and even from non mj fans.

Even my angels told me, work like this would NOT be easy and you know what, they were absolutely right.

Anyway this is my last post to you, as I don't want to get to your level.
 
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Please, PLEASE if you don't like the topic of this thread then by all means stay away instead of talking down to people who enjoy it.
 
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Wheeww Boyy!! I know that my views on this are not going to be very popular ones, but nevertheless... I still feel the need to step in and post my thoughts.

Michael Jackson's spirit and his music will live FOREVER. I believe in the afterlife because of my own very personal experiences, which I already admitted in my last post... something I do NOT tell ANYONE for fear they will think of me as a nothing but a "Loony-Tune," LOL. But since somebody else was brave enough to share, I admitted that I had very similar events happen to me, too.

My take is this (and I know it will not be a popular one because fans will be fans, and there is nothing wrong with that) ... BUT ... I think some fans need to start letting go of Michael... slowly. Now, I don't mean COMPLETELY letting him go! NO! NO! NO!... But I believe that Michael has missions and priorities of his own right now, and he must take care of them... and do what he is assigned to do by God.

Great, here we go, and I am going to sound like a couple "nutter" to some people, but oh well. I have communicated with him on more than one occassion, and he does NOT want us to worry about him anymore. Nobody can hurt him anymore, and like Emma said... it was his time to go. It was an accident. Nobody did anything on purpose as far as taking his life that day. It was simply his time.

It is time to start letting our Angel go... in our own time, of course... but we must. For ourselves and for Michael. He does not want to cause anybody anymore pain he wants people to simply be happy that he is free and in a place where he cannot be touched by evil. He is happy. Again... he does not want us to worry about him anymore, and fall into circle with the silly media circus again. It's all garbage. Please understand that he will always love every single one of you, and you are not alone... he is there with you.

But please, please, please... DO NOT WORRY about him. He is happy, he is at peace, and he is finally pain free. He is home. Start letting him go. Once again.... do it for him and yourselves, please. Listen to his music, watch his videos, enjoy everything that he created for the whole world, and be happy for him. He has completed his mission here on Earth, and must now continue on with his missions in the afterlife.

And Emma... I know you love Michael dearly and communicate with him as well... but please... just start letting him go, too. Michael can still easily be called on because that is his spirit... he loves people and especially children... but please... next time he comes, tell him that he must get back to his work on the other plane. Just because we can communicate with him when we like, doesn't mean we should try to take advantage of this. So please... start letting him go. Now.

Once again... I'm sure this post will probably stir up a lot of emotions, but I just had to express everything that I feel in my heart and my soul.

MICHAEL IS DOING JUST FINE!!! :angel:

P.S. I didn't post my thoughts to start a debate against my post. These are my final thoughts on the matter... and I am not trying to ruffle any feathers. So you will NOT get a reaction out of me, if you choose to argue or disagree. I'm not going to waste my time and energy on that BS. Thank you. :agree:
 
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