Marlon Jackson: Baby Tonight Performance (1988)

I'm fan of the Jackson 5 work MJ did, I think he's done some of his best work with them, the reason why there is a comparison though is cos Marlon was doing some MJ moves so its bound to happen
Marlon was the choreographer within the family. Just because Mj does it on stage doesn't mean that he first came up with the steps. brothers copy from each others all the time.

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All the Jacksons are talented, just not in the same way. I have always loved Tito on the guitar.
 
Basically. It's like if Chris Brown does "Billie Jean" or "Thriller" it's only natural to compare that to the original. And Jackie was selected to try out for the Whitesox, a baseball team. I'm sure he's more athletically gifted then Michael in terms of athletic feats of strength, or any of the other brothers. But Michael is much more gifted musically and as a dancer, and that's just a fact. And since this is their profession, that's the point of comparison. If you say otherwise, people are going to come back with why they don't agree and give the reasons for why. Marlon's been trying to dance like Michael since forever. It's just the truth. And who can blame him. But he doesn't compare on that front.
Marlon dancing like Michael is YOUr truth, but only the people who lived with them know the truth.
Marlon was the choreographer for the J5. him trying to dance like Mj, could it be that they worked together and did the same steps as they were choreographed steps.
 
@Bescarr and @wanabestartingsomthing21,

Your opinion is just that YOUR OPINION!!! If I think Marlon and Jackie are just as talented as Michael then they are. IT'S MY OPINION.....

Now when Michael makes his comeback, he better have new dance moves. The Moonwalk, Grabbing his Crouch and kick up his leg has played out. The 80's are gone forever.

I really had no idea my opinion was MY OPINION, because I thought it was yours, LOL !!!

When Michael comes back he better have new dance moves. Well what are you going to do, call Tom Sneddon if he does the Moonwalk, grabs his crutch and kicks his leg out. The 80's are gone forever, have you only just noticed !!! .............. Also way are so many artists doing Michael's 80's moves in videos, I guess a lot of people want to see Michael's 80's moves.

Marlon and Jackie are just as talented as Michael, well that's your opinion and something your gonna have to live with. Because Jackie is an ok dancer, Marlon is like Robbie Williams on some bad acid trip. AND THAT IS MY OPIONION !!!

Marlon was the choreographer within the family. Just because Mj does it on stage doesn't mean that he first came up with the steps. brothers copy from each others all the time.

All the Jacksons are talented, just not in the same way. I have always loved Tito on the guitar.

Marlon was NOT "the choreographer" within the family when the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons were active. Michael, Jackie and Marlon were the choreographers together. Your right that all of the Jackson's are talented on different ways, but someone like Marlon you actually notice that he's not a natural talent as a solo performer. I am actually really shocked how bad his peformance of Baby Tonight is. I've always seen him as the least talented of the Jackson brothers, but not as bad as he appears to be.

Anyway the time that Michael and his brothers copied each others steps would have stopped in the very early 1980's. Michael didn't let his brothers know (I guess except for Randy) about the songs he wrote for Off The Wall whilst he was recording the Destiny album (as Michael said in his autobiography Moonwalk). Michael didn't tell his brothers about his dance routine for Billie Jean before the peformance (as told by Michael), his brothers were just as stunned as the audience and had no idea Michael was going to do the Moonwalk. Michael keeps many ideas from music to dancing to himself, and the days of Michael doing choreography with Jackie and Marlon are nothing to do with his solo career. Marlon did a terrible peformance in 1987, and it was a very bad and laughable take on both Michael Jackson and James Brown. I've seen many of Marlon's dance moves and facial expressions when performing with the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons, and he's always had a different style to Michael that suited him, but that Baby Tonight peformance is Marlon trying to be a peformer that he's not and can never be.

Marlon dancing like Michael is YOUr truth, but only the people who lived with them know the truth.
Marlon was the choreographer for the J5. him trying to dance like Mj, could it be that they worked together and did the same steps as they were choreographed steps.

On that specific Baby Tonight performance Marlon is copying Michael's moves and facial expressions. It's highly unlikely (though I dont rule it out) Michael and Marlon did the choreography together in 1987. Michael was too busy with his Bad album, tour and filming his own music videos. And Marlon wanted his own identity as Marlon Jackson, not just the brother of Michael Jackson.

quote=theMJgal;1637176].Now I don't think it's fair to even compare Marlon to Michael. Marlon was just an average kid ya know? A child prodigy like Michael is a once in a lifetime thing. Michael was born a preformer, Marlon...who knows what Marlon could have been. I see it like this, Marlon was just as young as Michael when they first started preforming back in Gary. The life of showbusiness has been stamped on Marlon's head since day one. Marlon could have wanted to be a fireman or an astronaut had the Jackson 5 never exsisted, but singing and dancing was kinda pushed into him.

As a matter a fact Marlon, Michael, and Jackie looked pretty smooth if you ask me. Watch Motown 25!!!! Marlon was not even overdoin it. He was smooth with them spins. Even in his "Don't Go" music video or the "Body" music vid, he is really good.

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE when people say Marlon is trying to copy off of MIchael's dance moves lol. MARLON IS MARLON. First off, they're brothers okay, they grew together learning the same steps, the choregraphed a lot of the same moves together, they both watched the same preformers grwoing up, I mean come it's bound to be some dance moves they share.. If you ask me...a Marlon Jackson spin is different from a Michael Jackson spin. Am I saying Marlon is a better dancer than Michael...NO, but he is unique. P.S.-Marlon was killing it at the 30th anniversar. He got better with age, and that can't be said about many dancers.

So how can I end this....I love Marlon. He may not be the best singer or the best dancer, but in my eyes, he is a shining star in his own right.[/quote]

Some of the things you say in your post I agree with, such as Marlon having a different spin to Michael, but that's not how he was dancing in the Baby Tonight peformance. I never started this thread to compare Michael and Marlon, I started it because I'm shocked how rubbish Marlon's performance as a solo artist is, and why he didn't use his own style which he's always had. My view is was that to get solo fam, Marlon felt that he had to perform like Michael to get it because the public must think Michael's style of dancing Jackson family style. When it's not, it's Michael Jackson style dancing, just as Jackie has his own style and Marlon has his own style. But Marlon obviously blew it by copying Michael and not being himself, and maybe if Marlon used his own style with his own spin etc he may have given a much better performance.

I never compare Michael to any of his brothers, there is no need to. What I do is react to fans who start saying Jackie and Marlon are as good as Michael, now those are the fans who compare Michael to his brothers. No one is hating Marlon, just pointing out he's not a good solo performer and much better as a backing singer and dancer in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons because that's when Marlon comes alive.
 
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The Jackson Five didn't really choreograph their own steps in the early 70s. They did some, but most of those steps were choreographed by a choreographer from Motown. Marlon wasn't the choreogrpapher in the group. There you go exaggerating their roles and talens again. He choreographed some of those steps with Michael and Jackie. It was a group thing. But Michael's style of dance is utterly different from any of the routines he did with his brothers. On the Victory tour, you see Marlon, for the first time, doing steps which Michael was doing one, two years before that tour ever started. He OBVIOUSLY copped some of Michael's steps. He's got his own steps too. But a large majority of what he does is a rip from Michael. I can't blame him, who wouldn't rip Michael. But there's no comparison in the execution department. It's not "my truth", it's just reality.
 
The Jackson Five didn't really choreograph their own steps in the early 70s. They did some, but most of those steps were choreographed by a choreographer from Motown. Marlon wasn't the choreogrpapher in the group. There you go exaggerating their roles and talens again. He choreographed some of those steps with Michael and Jackie. It was a group thing. But Michael's style of dance is utterly different from any of the routines he did with his brothers. On the Victory tour, you see Marlon, for the first time, doing steps which Michael was doing one, two years before that tour ever started. He OBVIOUSLY copped some of Michael's steps. He's got his own steps too. But a large majority of what he does is a rip from Michael. I can't blame him, who wouldn't rip Michael. But there's no comparison in the execution department. It's not "my truth", it's just reality.

Your right about the Jackson 5 not doing their choreography in the early 1970's. But I think Michael, Jackie and Marlon did the choreography from around 1974 onwards. I also presume that Michael and Jackie did most of the choreography, as Jackie is a very creative person when you think of the songs he's written.

The actual dance routines Michael created with his brothers are very different and quite basic, compared to those in his solo career such as Thriller, Beat It, Smooth Criminal and Remember The Time which Michael created with other choreographers.

Another thing is both Marlon and Jackie would say Michael is obviously a far better dancer than them. Marlon and Michael are supposed to be really close and I doubt their has ever been any competition between than. Have you seen Jackie's eyes light up when he talks about Michael, and how he say's Michael had so much energy as a kid he had to be the lead singer of the group. Michael's brothers know he's not only a far superior dancer to them, but also to everyone else and they have no problem with that. As I said before I think Jackie, Randy, Jermaine and Tito are really talented, but I don't think is naturally musically talented on both singing and dancing. But I give him credit for his determination and the fact he's a really good backing singer and dancer.
 
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Yeah, that's true. They did start doing more of their own stuff by the mid 70s. But it was the three of them together, not any one person. The routines he did with his brothers were very basic and simple compared to the stuff he's done in his solo career. I don't think there's ever been any real jealousy or competitivenss between them either, except maybe Jermaine. Of course they're talented. I just find it absurd to say they're on Michael's level. Like you said, I don't think even they would say that.
 
Right let's get somethings straight in here thankyou....

Firstly.... a few of you need to get a grip!

Secondly... something which has already been pointed out... this is a discussion forum. It is not an arguement forum, nor even is it a debate forum. If you cannot post without getting all heated and feeling the need to shout (use of caps) at other posters in this thread. I suggest not posting until you have collected your cool.

Please note that the use of caps to respond at people is not only considered shouting, but in most contexts it's considered aggressive. Let it be known that you don't want to be aggressive to one another whilst I'm floating around.

Oh and consider this the warning, I'm just gonna jump straight to infractions for those of you who are consistently rude to posters in this thread... or any other thread on this forum.


This thread has been cleaned of the foolishness please feel free to go back to "discussing" Marlon and not dissing either the topic or the members within.

Thanks
 
Right let's get somethings straight in here thankyou....

Firstly.... a few of you need to get a grip!

Secondly... something which has already been pointed out... this is a discussion forum. It is not an arguement forum, nor even is it a debate forum. If you cannot post without getting all heated and feeling the need to shout (use of caps) at other posters in this thread. I suggest not posting until you have collected your cool.

Please note that the use of caps to respond at people is not only considered shouting, but in most contexts it's considered aggressive. Let it be known that you don't want to be aggressive to one another whilst I'm floating around.

Oh and consider this the warning, I'm just gonna jump straight to infractions for those of you who are consistently rude to posters in this thread... or any other thread on this forum.


This thread has been cleaned of the foolishness please feel free to go back to "discussing" Marlon and not dissing either the topic or the members within.

Thanks

Sorry!!!!!!!!!!! :agree:
 
Marlon was the choreographer within the family. Just because Mj does it on stage doesn't mean that he first came up with the steps. brothers copy from each others all the time.

I just copied this from youtube'

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All the Jacksons are talented, just not in the same way. I have always loved Tito on the guitar.

I read somewhere that Marlon did some of the choreography too. And when you look at the earlier years of the Jackson 5, you can see Michael's dancing style in the later years of his career.
 
This thread was about Marlon jackson. I love marlon jackson. he is very talented and he reminds me of nat kin cole when he sings. he is a smooth talker too with a jovial personality and a cool sense of humour.
 
No! it's nothing funny about it. This is a forum dedicated to Michael and the thread was about Marlon. So I have Mikey right next to his brother Marlon who can dance just as good as he can. :cheeky:

Well, no, he can't. He doesn't have as good form or lines, he doesn't have the same kind of speed or accuracy as Michael, or near the fluidity and grace and seemless connection of steps that Michael does. So, no, technically, he's not as good. You can like him just as much, but technically he isn't half the dancer Michael is. That's not too much of a slight on Marlon. Michael is the most naturally gifted dancer I've ever seen. Professionally trained dancers don't compare with him, so comparing Marlon to him is a joke and it shouldn't be done.
 
No, it's not. I just think it's a ridiculous thing to think. Marlon is an example of someone with little to no talent in an area but who acquired skill in that area through hard work. And I've got nothing against Marlon, or any of Michael's brothers. Jackie is my second favorite brother next to Michael. I just am being objective when it comes to talent.

I totally agree, and Jackie is also my favorite Jackson brother after Michael. Jackie is supercool, and has a very kind manner about him just like Michael.
 
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Yeah man, I always liked Jackie, he seems like a totally nice guy. And I like the songs he writes too. He and Randy are probabaly the best song writers in the group after Michael.
 
Marlon gets no love for real....I think Marlon is cool. He's my second fav bro after Michael.
 
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Marlon gets no love for real....I think Marlon is cool. He's my second fav bro after Michael.
@MJGal,

Marlon is my favorite too. It was between Michael and Marlon. I went back and forth with the two. That's why I believe that Marlon is a great dancer. As far as I'm concern there is no difference between their dance styles. There is far more footage on Michael dancing then there is of Marlon and Jackie so most people haven't really seen the other brothers getting down. The last time they were together was Michael's 30th annivesary and the last concert was in 1984 and I saw them at Dodger stadium here in Los Angeles. Jackie didn't perform. He had surgery on his knee. But Marlon tore it up just like Michael did.
 
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@MJGal,
Marlon is my favorite too. It was between Michael and Marlon. I went back and forth with the two. That's why I believe that Marlon is a great dancer. As far as I'm concern there is no difference between their dance styles. There is far more footage on Michael dancing then there is of Marlon and Jackie so most people haven't really seen the other brothers getting down. The last time they were together was Michael's 30th annivesary and the last concert was in 1984 and I saw them at Dodger stadium here in Los Angeles. Jackie didn't perform. He had surgery on his knee. But Marlon tore it up just like Michael did.

Exactly, I wish Marlon was put in the spotlight more back in the early days. We never really heard him have a solo that was more than a couple of words before his voiced changed. He never had a little dance solo. He never had his own album with Motown. It wasn't fair. Ever time I listen to the Jackson 5, I listen VERY closely so I can hear Marlon's voice. Every time I see them dance I watch little Marlon do his little dance while he claps to the beat. Marlon was a sweetheart too, he never looked jealous. You never felt jealousy. I feel like Motown didn't want us to see his potential. I've been searchin and searching for Jackson 5 songs where I can hear his voice, others besides the usuals like "Corner Of The Sky", really rare joints, but I find nothing. I've been watchin a whole lot of live shows listen.
Marlon is a great dancer you are right. IMO Marlon has his own little trademarks. You know how Michael does like 50 billion spins really fast. Well Marlon does less, a little slower, but the way in which he does makes it look like the best spin in the world. He likes to spin swinging his leg behind him to start, when Michael does it the other way around. Marlon was very precise if you ask me. Watch him in the "Body" vid. He grinds his body like in the "Beat It" vid, but with a lot of emotion. Marlon is fire fo' sho'!
You're so luck to have seen them live! I've waatched footage from the Victory tour, and yes Marlon did tear it up! That is my boy...
 
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Marlon can dance. I wouldn't ever say he can't. He'd wipe me out, lol. It's just, Michael is a freakishly gifted dancer. The only people I would compare to him would be the greatest dancers in history, because that's the kind of company Michael is in. That's the only reason I got in to a debate over it to begin with. Not because I don't think Marlon can dance. He can. But I've never seen a dancer who is naturally on Michael's level except Fred Astaire and maybe a few others.
 
Marlon can dance. I wouldn't ever say he can't. He'd wipe me out, lol. It's just, Michael is a freakishly gifted dancer. The only people I would compare to him would be the greatest dancers in history, because that's the kind of company Michael is in. That's the only reason I got in to a debate over it to begin with. Not because I don't think Marlon can dance. He can. But I've never seen a dancer who is naturally on Michael's level except Fred Astaire and maybe a few others.
it would be nice though if yoy can leave MJ out of the debate though and focus on the brothers for a change.
I managed to do that, and I too discoved marlon, in fact i discovered the other brothers.
I used to think that MJwas the only smooth brother and he was the only charming jackson, but when i saw jermaine on tv in Big brother and the whole country falling in love with him, it was incredible. Then I saw marlon and he was charming too, then I heard Randy speak and his voice sounded like butter melting, then jackie speaks, and i thought, them jacksons are just natural born charmers, we just haven't been looking at them.
I have always felt a special place for marlon because he is so close in age to Michael and it couldn't have been easy to see everybody going on about Michael, but he seemed to deal with it really well and he shows no bitterness or resentment, if anything he is very grateful for his opportunities and has thanked his dad for his hard work and insight.
You did well marlon. he is always smiling too.
 
Well, it was other people that brought Michael in, specifically comparing him to Marlon, and so I felt the need to comment, which there's no rule against. I know about the other brothers and their work, but Michael is the only one I'm truly interested in.
 
Well, it was other people that brought Michael in, specifically comparing him to Marlon, and so I felt the need to comment, which there's no rule against. I know about the other brothers and their work, but Michael is the only one I'm truly interested in.

This thread was made about Marlon. Specifically in the family forum.

it's a shame we can't give his family a little time without comparing them. One thread about Marlon and we have to bring MJ into it. Is our believe in Mj so weak that we have to compare him with everybody. When you believe in somebody you can make room for others without feeling threatened.
 
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Exactly, I wish Marlon was put in the spotlight more back in the early days. We never really heard him have a solo that was more than a couple of words before his voiced changed. He never had a little dance solo. He never had his own album with Motown. It wasn't fair. Ever time I listen to the Jackson 5, I listen VERY closely so I can hear Marlon's voice. Every time I see them dance I watch little Marlon do his little dance while he claps to the beat. Marlon was a sweetheart too, he never looked jealous. You never felt jealousy. I feel like Motown didn't want us to see his potential. I've been searchin and searching for Jackson 5 songs where I can hear his voice, others besides the usuals like "Corner Of The Sky", really rare joints, but I find nothing. I've been watchin a whole lot of live shows listen.
Marlon is a great dancer you are right. IMO Marlon has his own little trademarks. You know how Michael does like 50 billion spins really fast. Well Marlon does less, a little slower, but the way in which he does makes it look like the best spin in the world. He likes to spin swinging his leg behind him to start, when Michael does it the other way around. Marlon was very precise if you ask me. Watch him in the "Body" vid. He grinds his body like in the "Beat It" vid, but with a lot of emotion. Marlon is fire fo' sho'!
You're so luck to have seen them live! I've waatched footage from the Victory tour, and yes Marlon did tear it up! That is my boy...

I am lucky to have seen the Jackson 5 long before Michael was known as the King Of Pop! I got a chance to meet them as part of a fanclub me and my neighborhood friends put together and I never in my wildest dreams would I have ever thought that Michael would be the huge mega star that he is today. Yes Michael was always the one everyone focused on, but the other brothers held there own and the fans never try to say that one was better than the other. And Datsymay, I agree with you about Marlon, has never said anything bad about his brother Michael. None of them have except well you know which two. So yes, I will defend the other Jackson brothers, because without them there would have never been a Michael Jackson as we know him today.:)
 
This thread was made about Marlon. Specifically in the family forum.

it's a shame we can't give his family a little time without comparing them. One thread about Marlon and we have to bring MJ into it. Is our believe in Mj so weak that we have to compare him with everybody. When you believe in somebody you can make room for others without feeling threatened.

Who's comparing Michael with everybody, your really twisting what myself Chaos and Wannabestartinsometin are saying. We simply said Marlon is not that talented. I said this specific Baby Tonight performance is copying Michael Jackson and James Brown, and I have also said Marlon's performance would have been better if had used his own style, which I said he has. You have choosen to ignore these facts, and you are not disagreeing in a rational way. All the Jackson's are talented, not every person in every talented family are great talents, some are better than others at the same or certain things, and it's the same for the Jackson's.

People don't have to agree with me, but members such as Pamarella don't have to resort to making personal comments, and using LARGE texts as a for of shouting such as "IT'S MY OPINION" which is has already been warned about. There is a difference between disagreeing and wanting to start and personal argument full of insults such as "I have a life other than Michael Jackson", that is the difference. It's people like her who are forcing there views without any strong facts, not me and other members who can put forward our views without getting personal. You are also just as guilty of forcing a point of view by more a less saying were should all appreciate the talents of all the brothers, which I do except I don't find Marlon to be very talented.

Well, it was other people that brought Michael in, specifically comparing him to Marlon, and so I felt the need to comment, which there's no rule against. I know about the other brothers and their work, but Michael is the only one I'm truly interested in.

Very true, and it's those people creating argumentative posts.
 
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thanks. all the jackson brothers had their own distinct style but they were all equally loved by the fans.

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thanks. all the jackson brothers had their own distinct style but they were all equally loved by the fans.

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All the Jackson brothers had there own distinctive style, well who said they didn't. Because I'm talking about 1 Marlon Jackson solo performance, where he used Michael's moves and expressions.
 
why can't people post their opinions and thoughts in this thread? seems like everyone wants to take little snaps at each other's comments instead. Last time I checked this was a discussion board, not a debate forum.
 
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This thread is not to continue with these silly comparisons... please note that we don't allow comparisons between MJ and other artists in the Music makes the world go round forum section... and we're extending that thought process into this section of the board.

Everyone has their own interpretation on what is considered sucessful and "better" and we are all entitled to our opinions.

No one is entitled to speak down to another member purely because you don't see eye to eye.

Infractions have been given out and more are coming. For repeat offenders mod-que is your next step.... don't give me that honour





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