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Marlon Jackson: Baby Tonight Performance (1988)

saw him ripping a few MJ moves lol, singing was weak dancing was ok never been a big Marlon Fan
 
Chaos said:
saw him ripping a few MJ moves lol, singing was weak dancing was ok never been a big Marlon Fan
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I agree, and it's a performance makes me cringe as it's like a bad take on both Michael and James Brown. He's always put so much energy in to his dancing, but he never really pulls it off. Marlon is much better as a backing singer and dancer in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons. I wish I could say it's a great performance, but it's not.
 
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it also goes to show just how easy MJ makes it look too
 
thanks for this, i've never seen it. it's interesting..
 
Thanks Ben.

That was kinda....painful to watch.
You look at Marlon....and he seems to be tryin so hard.... and he never quite gets there.
Reminds me of the docu when Michael talks about how Joe would tell Marlon
to "Do it like Michael!!" That's the kinda painful I'm referring to.
All them Jacksons got similar moves, but you can just tell that the rest of them are bitin' off
of Michael.
 
Chaos said:
saw him ripping a few MJ moves lol, singing was weak dancing was ok never been a big Marlon Fan
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It was said that Marlon was the better dancer with in the Jackson 5 , so it can be said that when you see Michael dancing he is stilling Marlon's moves. It is unfortunate for the other Jackson brothers that their talent gets over shadowed by Michael. I've seen the JACKSON 5 perform live and Jackie and Marlon are just as great has Michael when it comes to dancing.
 
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pamarella said:
It was said that Marlon was the better dancer with in the Jackson 5 , so it can be said that when you see Michael dancing he is stilling Marlon's moves. It is unfortunate for the other Jackson brothers that their talent gets over shadowed by Michael. I've seen the JACKSON 5 perform live and Jackie and Marlon are just as great has Michael when it comes to dancing.
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:clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::clapping::cheers:All the brothers are talented. the torche was shone on michael so the otherrs were happy to let him take the spotlight. These kids were just KIDS when they were performing adult stuff. Jermaine was only 14 when he played that bass guitar on stage, and tito was 15 when he played the guitar. Show me any band who play like that at that age. Don't forget that berry signed up the lot of them. that is no small thing.
Marlon was the choreographer of the family. He was only 1 year older than Michael. that should be impressive. he seems like a lot of fun too.
 
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pamarella said:
It was said that Marlon was the better dancer with in the Jackson 5 , so it can be said that when you see Michael dancing he is stilling Marlon's moves. It is unfortunate for the other Jackson brothers that their talent gets over shadowed by Michael. I've seen the JACKSON 5 perform live and Jackie and Marlon are just as great has Michael when it comes to dancing.
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Uh, no, they're not. You can see Michael clearly outdancing Marlon, with ease from the J5 days all the way up until today. Marlon was labled by Motown as the "dancer" in the group for PR purposes. They each had to be indentified by their "interests" and talents. Marlon was actually the worst dancer in the group at first and couldn't get any of the steps right. That's why he got hit the most during rehearsals. He had to practice much harder then anyone else and worked himself in to being the next best dancer. But he was never as good as Michael, not ever. And Jackie doesn't have any talent as a dancer, while Jermaine and Tito never even moved because of their instruments. So being next best doesn't really mean anything. Like I said, watch them side by side, even as children, and Michael is clearly the better dancer. It only became more painfully apparent once they reached their teens. It's equally annoying when people try to undermine Michael's talents just to up the other brothers.
 
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pamarella said:
It was said that Marlon was the better dancer with in the Jackson 5 , so it can be said that when you see Michael dancing he is stilling Marlon's moves. It is unfortunate for the other Jackson brothers that their talent gets over shadowed by Michael. I've seen the JACKSON 5 perform live and Jackie and Marlon are just as great has Michael when it comes to dancing.
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That's a lie Marlon was better dancer than Michael in the Jackson 5, when it's pretty obvious no one could out dance Michael when he first burst on to charts in 1969. It can be said that Michael was influenced by Jermaine's vocals, as I'm sure Jermaine being older would have taught Michael to sing some songs when he was an infant. But as for Michael using Marlon's dance moves, I don't think so other wise it would have been Michael getting beatings and being told in rehearsal by Joesph to "do it like Marlon". Also on tours, both Michael and Marlon used difference dance moves when not in choreographed dance routines. But in this specific Baby Tonight performance Marlon is doing a bad take on all of Michael and James Brown's dance moves and facial expressions. It's like he's performing for his life, so he can get the same level of fame as not nesserally Michael, but of Janet from this one performance. Being a "Jackson" does not mean huge solo fame when any ex Jackson 5/ The Jacksons members want it. Solo fame and talent is completely different to group based fame, ever wonder why Mick Jagger has never had a successful solo album !

Jackie and Marlon are no where near as great as Michael when it comes to dancing. It's not unfortunate Michael's far superior singing, dancing and songwriting talents over shadow his brothers, most of his brother are talented but on a different more average scale. Watching this clip, I don't feel that Marlon is actually that much of a talent (even LaToya seems more talented). Jermaine is an amazing vocalist, Jackie is a good dancer and brilliant songwriter/ composer, Randy is brilliant composer and an amazing multi instrumentalist, and Tito is a great guitar player. Marlon has never really contributed any great vocals, or written songs to the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons. It seems he was forced to song and dance which he can do in a moderate way. He can obviously pick up dance moves, but has no rhytem, and his moves look forced. His brothers are great as members of the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons, but outside the group as far as performing goes you notice the limitations they have and lack of stage presence as solo artists. This has nothing to do with Michael's talents over shadowing them. Michael's talents far over shadow Janet's yet she has had a lot of solo success in her own right, and that say's a lot. Besides this thread is about Marlon Jackson, not Jackie, Jermaine, Tito and Randy.
 
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I give Marlon credit for his performance on 30th anniversery though
 
I haven't watched Michael's 30th Anniversary concerts in years, but I guess you are right that Marlon's performance in 2001 is much better. Like I said he is much better as a backing singer and dancer in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons than as a solo artist.
 
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I haven't watched Michael's 30th Anniversary concerts in years, but I guess you are right that Marlon's performance in 2001 is much better. Like I said he is much better as a backing singer and dancer in the Jackson 5/ The Jacksons than as a solo artist.
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I agree, I am not suprised that Marlon didn't make it as a solo artist because although I think he is a talented dancer with a decent voice, I just don't think he had what it took to be a big solo artist. He's best when he's in a group.
 
@Bescarr and @wanabestartingsomthing21,

Your opinion is just that YOUR OPINION!!! If I think Marlon and Jackie are just as talented as Michael then they are. IT'S MY OPINION.....

Now when Michael makes his comeback, he better have new dance moves. The Moonwalk, Grabbing his Crouch and kick up his leg has played out. The 80's are gone forever.
 
It's funny how you are so willing to put Michael down but if anyone says anything less then favorable towards any other Jackson you get oh so mad.

Marlon and Jackie aren't nearly as good dancers as Michael and that's based on the standards which have been used since the conception of dance in modern history. Steps don't matter. It's how well you move that does. And Marlon and Jackie aren't as fluid, aren't as quick, aren't as accurate and aren't as graceful as Michael and that's a fact. By those standards, they don't even begin to compare.
 
Okay, I gonna just have to say something on behalf of Marlon since he is my second fav Jackson brother next to Michael. PLEASE do not get mad at me. This is not directed towards anybody. I just wanna show Marlon some love. Okay, here it goes....

Now I don't think it's fair to even compare Marlon to Michael. Marlon was just an average kid ya know? A child prodigy like Michael is a once in a lifetime thing. Michael was born a preformer, Marlon...who knows what Marlon could have been. I see it like this, Marlon was just as young as Michael when they first started preforming back in Gary. The life of showbusiness has been stamped on Marlon's head since day one. Marlon could have wanted to be a fireman or an astronaut had the Jackson 5 never exsisted, but singing and dancing was kinda pushed into him. As young child, we can see this is what Michael wanted to do. So for a kid that probably wasn't even meant to be a singer, a kid that would always miss the steps in the beginning, and a kid that wouldn't get notes right, he did pretty damn good if I do say so myself. To say he has no talent is really strecthing it. Listen to the Jackson 5 in Japan album or watch the Jackson 5 in Mexico concert. Marlon was dancing so hard losing his breath, and still manages to stay in tune with them background vocals. To do that over and over consecutively is not the easiest thing for the average person to do. Marlon had that determination that i admire.

It's hard not to look stupid dancing next to Michael Jackson lol. Did Marlon ever look THAT bad preforming in the background. NO HE DID NOT IMO. Look at the Jackson 5 preformance of Never Can Say Goodbye on the Flip Wilson Show or their preformances of Looking Through The Windows. Marlon WAS graceful. You can even see this in Jermaine Jackson's preformance of "Thats How Love Goes" on the Flip Wilson Show in the beginning. As a matter a fact Marlon, Michael, and Jackie looked pretty smooth if you ask me. Watch Motown 25!!!! Marlon was not even overdoin it. He was smooth with them spins. Even in his "Don't Go" music video or the "Body" music vid, he is really good.

I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE when people say Marlon is trying to copy off of MIchael's dance moves lol. MARLON IS MARLON. First off, they're brothers okay, they grew together learning the same steps, the choregraphed a lot of the same moves together, they both watched the same preformers grwoing up, I mean come it's bound to be some dance moves they share. It's a possibility that Michael and Marlon both bite off each other. It's because we are Michael Jackson fans...we know Michael as an innovator of dance. We think that he is one of the best. Just because Marlon is Michael's less famous brother, and lets face it, us fans can be a teeny bit biased at times, we are gonna say "OH MARLON IS COPYING MJ!!!". If you ask me...a Marlon Jackson spin is different from a Michael Jackson spin. Am I saying Marlon is a better dancer than Michael...NO, but he is unique. P.S.-Marlon was killing it at the 30th anniversar. He got better with age, and that can't be said about many dancers.

So how can I end this....I love Marlon. He may not be the best singer or the best dancer, but in my eyes, he is a shining star in his own right.
 
Marlon was a twin. I have had the benefit of teaching twins for many years. many twins are born with handicap as a result of sharing the same space at conception. It leaves them slightly slower than the average and sometimes dependent on their siblings, we will never know whether Marlon was the dominant or dependent twin. If he were the dependent twin, he may have used MJ or an older sibling as his dependance.
Something I saw made me feel that marlon was treated differently by his siblings in the earlier years because of this dependency,
Taking marlons twin-handicap into consideration, marlon could be seen as a Miracle. He overcame adversity to compete in the best band of the century, and compete with the best artist of the century. Well done marlon.
 
Well see, that's an alright post MJsgal. I don't see anything wrong with what you said. I just get pissed when people don't recognize Michael's talent or when they undermine it by comparing it to people with lesser ability. That's the kinda stuff I don't like. But there's no need to diss Marlon either. He's an okay dancer. And I didn't say he wasn't graceful, I just said he doesn't have as much grace as Michael, among other things. And that's just true. But I never said he was talentless or anything like that. I really like his song "Body". And like you said, heck, like Michael's said, he did good for himself through hard work and dedication. People just have to understand the difference though. I want people to understand why Michael is special and I often times see that they don't.
 
wannabestartinsomthin21 said:
Well see, that's an alright post MJsgal. I don't see anything wrong with what you said. I just get pissed when people don't recognize Michael's talent or when they undermine it by comparing it to people with lesser ability. That's the kinda stuff I don't like. But there's no need to diss Marlon either. He's an okay dancer. And I didn't say he wasn't graceful, I just said he doesn't have as much grace as Michael, among other things. And that's just true. But I never said he was talentless or anything like that. I really like his song "Body". And like you said, heck, like Michael's said, he did good for himself through hard work and dedication. People just have to understand the difference though. I want people to understand why Michael is special and I often times see that they don't.
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Maybe people just want to appreciate the people for what they have achieved without subjecting them to comparisons with Michael. I find it really boring. I have no need to compare the brothers with Michael. I can enjoy every one of them on their merit. I see exceptional talent in everyone of those boys. I see 14 year old Jermain playing the bass guitar with great confidence. Tito was 15. They are talented. Tito is a wicked blues guitarist and he can sing good too. jermaine is a smooth operator. Motown was not wrong when the labelled him the sex symbol of the group.

Randy is just a smooth talker, and he is really cool and very talented, he started young too. Give the guys their props without comparing them to michael. gees.:doh:
 
@wanabestartingsomething21,

You should stop getting pissed off at other peoples opinions. Also you should stop assuming that people are putting Michael down because WE DON'T AGREE with you. Michael Jackson has MILLIONS of fans and we all don't see things the same way. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE JACKSON 5 LIVE AND IN PERSON?. I have. I've seen Michael perform live with his brother Marlon long before OFF THE WALL, THRILLER, BAD AND DANGEROUS which was the last major concert that he did. Forget YOU TUBE, I've seen the real live performance of Marlon and Michael Jackson. I HAVE MY OWN OPINION.
 
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@wanabestartingsomething21,

You should stop getting pissed off at other peoples opinions. Also you should stop assuming that people are putting Michael down because WE DON'T AGREE with you. Michael Jackson has MILLIONS of fans and we all don't see things the same way. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE JACKSON 5 LIVE AND IN PERSON?. I have. I've seen Michael perform live with his brother Marlon long before OFF THE WALL, THRILLER, BAD AND DANGEROUS which was the last major concert that he did. Forget YOU TUBE, I've seen the real live performance of Marlon and Michael Jackson. I HAVE MY OWN OPINION.
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its great to have an opinion if you can back it up.... wannabe is just stating hers and she backs it up really well, so far you have made a claim that Marlon and Jackie are as talented as Michael yet you havent given any real arguement as to why your opinion would have any validity.....


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Chaos said:
its great to have an opinion if you can back it up.... wannabe is just stating hers and she backs it up really well, so far you have made a claim that Marlon and Jackie are as talented as Michael yet you havent given any real arguement as to why your opinion would have any validity.....


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Why was it necessary to compare the brothers talent? Does Jackie being a fast runner count as talent? he is faster than Mj by a mile and he was selected to play professional basket ball. i doubt MJ could have competed. I have seen Randy playing several musical instruments, I haven't seen MJ do that, should we compare their instrumental talents. Are they only compared in msic? or talent overall? Why can't the brothers be respected for what they have achieved as a group without this damn competition?:doh:
 
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Why was it necessary to compare the brothers talent? Does Jackie being a fast runner count as talent? he is faster than Mj by a mile and he was selected to play professional basket ball. i doubt MJ could have competed. I have seen Randy playing several musical instruments, I haven't seen MJ do that, should we compare their instrumental talents. Are they only compared in msic? or talent overall? Why can't the brothers be respected for what they have achieved as a group without this damn competition?:doh:
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I'm fan of the Jackson 5 work MJ did, I think he's done some of his best work with them, the reason why there is a comparison though is cos Marlon was doing some MJ moves so its bound to happen
 
pamarella said:
@wanabestartingsomething21,

You should stop getting pissed off at other peoples opinions. Also you should stop assuming that people are putting Michael down because WE DON'T AGREE with you. Michael Jackson has MILLIONS of fans and we all don't see things the same way. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE JACKSON 5 LIVE AND IN PERSON?. I have. I've seen Michael perform live with his brother Marlon long before OFF THE WALL, THRILLER, BAD AND DANGEROUS which was the last major concert that he did. Forget YOU TUBE, I've seen the real live performance of Marlon and Michael Jackson. I HAVE MY OWN OPINION.
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Really? All I've seen from you is posts criticing Michael. Saying Michael's found himself in so many bad positiions through his own lack of foresight, saying Michael needs to get some new dance steps, on and on. So if you have the right to say something like that, then of course, I have the right to say Marlon isn't a very good dancer. Apparently though, its okay for you to get mad about that, but it's not okay for me to get mad about you saying what you've said about Michael. It doesn't matter to me that you've seen the Jackson Five live. What difference does that make? You still haven't given any reason for why you think Marlon and Jackie can dance as well as Michael. Footage of their performances is enough to see that that's just not true. They don't move as well, they don't have the same kind of fluidity or speed, control and accuracy that Michael does. And those are facts.

And the last major performance tour Michael gave was "History", not "Dangerous".
 
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Chaos said:
I'm fan of the Jackson 5 work MJ did, I think he's done some of his best work with them, the reason why there is a comparison though is cos Marlon was doing some MJ moves so its bound to happen
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Basically. It's like if Chris Brown does "Billie Jean" or "Thriller" it's only natural to compare that to the original. And Jackie was selected to try out for the Whitesox, a baseball team. I'm sure he's more athletically gifted then Michael in terms of athletic feats of strength, or any of the other brothers. But Michael is much more gifted musically and as a dancer, and that's just a fact. And since this is their profession, that's the point of comparison. If you say otherwise, people are going to come back with why they don't agree and give the reasons for why. Marlon's been trying to dance like Michael since forever. It's just the truth. And who can blame him. But he doesn't compare on that front.
 
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