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The Discussion of MJ's Unreleased Tracks

SmoothCriminal1995 said:
I don't know if he got somebody to work on it or not, but it was on Mike's radar before he died. It was written in green pen under a load of song titles that were printed over two sheets of paper, that was found on his wall at home

This one
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Ah yeah, now that I'm seeing that list again I remember, thanks for posting it.
 
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah I think that's possible. I had it in my head that he worked on it before MJ died but wasn't sure if I was mixing it up with something else or not.
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Most of the songs from Michael & Xscape had been teed up in 08. Then the work just kinda.. continued or went in a different direction.
 
Mister_Jay_Tee said:
@AlwaysThere I found my source.

TwitLonger

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Now keep in mind, this was simply what it states. Might not be accurate; Korgnex debunks, so consider that useful if you want.


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Marco Balletta · @B__Marco
7th Oct 2012 from Twitlonger



Posted online on a Forum by a user :

I've been fortunate enough to hear a number of unreleased Michael Jackson songs through a number of contacts, a few of which are recording engineers who worked on a few of Michael's later releases. (The Ultimate Collection, Michael, etc.) A long time ago my contacts instructed me not to talk about every single song I've heard (they named a few specific ones they would like me to keep to myself), but some didn't matter. I've been asked to share information on the songs I've heard with you. Again, I am not going to talk about EVERY single song I've ever heard; just the ones that I think the fan community think about the most.

PLEASE NOTE that I DO NOT have any snippets/full songs in my possession. I used to be a large collector of unreleased material before everything I had leaked to the public. (I had Stay, Soldier Boy, All I Need, Burn Tonight and snippets of all the Cascio demos, as well as Slave to the Rhythm, Do You Know Where Your Children Are and snippets of the Hollywood Tonight demo.) Also, please do not ask me for any e-mail or ooVoo account names of my contacts; out of respect, loyalty and their own privacy, they've instructed me not to give out any names, and I don't plan to. If I come into contact with any other unreleased song I'll be the first to update this thread.

ALSO, there are apparently multiple versions of each song that I've heard. (There are apparently two different demo versions of Ready 2 Win and All Right.) If any song that I list below leaks, it may not be 100% accurate. As is the case with multiple mixes of normally released songs and multiple takes of demos, an alternative version may be the leak.

HOLLYWOOD TONIGHT (DEMO) - This incarnation is both better than the album version and worse. My only complaint is that I prefer the instrumentation in the album version -- much stronger, more of a club banger. Overall though, this demo blows me away. Michael sings in high falsetto during the song's bridges that were never fully recorded, right before jumping into some beatboxing parts that aren't heard in the album version/are buried in the mix. He talks to Brad Buxer -- or whatever engineer may be in the studio with him. The Throwback Mix is the closest the general public will get to the demo if it doesn't leak, both musically and vocally. (Birchey's mix is also a contender.)

I AM A LOSER - Beautiful, beautiful song. This version was recorded back in 1999 and was on a very early incarnation of the Invincible album that was originally headed by Babyface and Teddy Riley (a few months before Rodney Jerkins signed on). Michael's depressed because of his girlfriend, who left him for someone else. Lyrically similar to I'm So Blue in some respects. Built on a piano, strings, bass and a drum beat reminiscent of Stranger in Moscow.

UNKNOWN BRAD BUXER TRACK - I don't know the title of this song, but from what I've heard, I'm guessing that it is the long-time speculated Bottom of My Heart. I've only heard about 25-30 seconds of it, though. It is similar to Heal the World and Cry in terms of music; a smooth drum track that is slightly buried under the strings, pianos and guitars. Lyrically, it leans towards What More Can I Give and We Are the World. It's a down-tempo ballad about a tragedy. (If my memory serves me correctly, it was aimed towards a Hurricane Katrina disaster in 2006.) Michael even borrows a few ad-libs from What More Can I Give in the song ("Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" and "Teaching, I'm preaching my brother!"). The version I heard was taken from the ending of the song, where I assume a choir would have been inserted; however, since it's an unfinished song, it's just multi-layered vocals of Michael. "Sending love from the bottom of my heart."

UNKNOWN NEFF-U TRACK - "To have and to hold/ To love and to let go..." This is one of the more beautiful tracks Michael's made in his later years. Again, I've only heard about 25 seconds of this track, but it nearly brought a tear to my eye when I heard it. I don't know the title of this song, but according to my contact it was recorded in late 2008 with Neff-U. It's built on a piano and strings (similar to All I Need) with drums, bass and guitar coming in later. It sounds like an anti-war track, with Michael singing about parents having to let their children go off to war; I don't know if this is the base of the entire track though. It's mostly in falsetto.

UNKNOWN REDONE TRACK - This 30-second snippet of a RedOne song was played to me over a phone conversation, so I couldn't really make out everything that Michael was saying. Sounded something like, "...wasting your time with a man... let's get on the floor, babe!" He talks to RedOne, referring to him by his actual name (Nadir), saying "Nadir, turn this up a bit... little more... alright!" Michael even busts out a "hee! hee! hee!" which he hasn't done since Privacy back in 2001. I really missed hearing him do that. Musically sounds like a mix of Pokerface by Lady Gaga and the rhythm of Speed Demon.

UNKNOWN WILL.I.AM TRACK - This 20-second snippet was taken from one of the unfinished songs. (I believe it was Can You.) It's a mid-tempo track about falling in love with someone and wanting to live your life with them. He scats through part of it (pretty much the same type of scatting he does on In the Back), but the only true lyric I heard him sing was, "No matter how I try, with everything I find it's you, you on my mind all the time." Very catchy melody, soulful harmonies. Sounds like a mixture of Butterflies and a Stevie Wonder song. Built upon piano, synths and something that sounds like a synthesized flute -- interesting choice.
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Fake af, I Am A Loser was written and recorded in 2003 at Neverland, written about Brad Buxer going through hard times with his life.
 
Alec said:
Yes, it's great! When in his final TV interview Michael said he likes to "put sounds under the microscope and manipulate their character," he was speaking of these type of songs. It's a great insight into his imagination. It's like a musical sculpture.

From the songs discussed here recently, I also heard Monster (two different versions--different choruses). It's not as innovative as people make it out to be, at least not the demos I heard. No relation to the Cascio Monster whatsoever, but the music is fairly similar in style. That's the vibe. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cascios knew it and based theirs on Michael's. Apparently Michael was showing it off to people in his final years. I believe Harrison Funk, the photographer, said Michael played it to him before he died.
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I have some very serious questions about the real Monster. Are there any instrumental similarities with Threatened? I found information that this song would have evolved into Threatened. And that DeVante Swing would have worked on Monster.
 
The MJJ Library said:
Can someone give me a recap about what we know about Tomboy?
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# Tomboy

John Barnes - Facebook 2016

'' 'Tomboy' is a classic mid-'80s, complete with synthesizer drums, lovely strings, a nice guitar riff, and slap bass reminiscent of the 'Captain EO' soundtrack. The song also features a subtle 'ba-da-ba-da-bab-bab' melody which is almost identical to the 'I bet you remember' one in 'Remember the Time,' released on Michael Jackson's 'Dangerous' album six years later.

"Roger played well on Tomboy, but the song was just okay, in my opinion. Michael liked it, but it didn't hold up in comparison to the other music that was available for 'Bad'."..


In the Xscape Origins book,

The song "Tomboy" is described as complete with synth drums, gorgeous strings, and a great guitar riff. A good song by John Barnes, but not enough for the Bad album.

Matt Forger - 2012


"I worked on "Tomboy". It's a very funny subject. Very rhythmic, with lots of character and energy. I remember this song very well and I don't know if it came out somehow..."
"However, “Tomboy” was pretty complete in my opinion, but I’m not 100% sure. This is a fantastic topic and I really hope it gets covered at some point."
 
Gluepix said:
I’m curious, how well does Water (as well as those other instrumentals made near the time of his death) hold up to today’s music in terms of production? Does it sound like the kind of music that’s being made today or is it a product of its time?
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It all sounds like HIStory era MJ production-wise, just more melodic and more pop. So neither of its time (mid-late 2000s) nor current (2020s). Very neutral and timeless instrumentation, not dated.
SmoothMel7 said:
I have some very serious questions about the real Monster. Are there any instrumental similarities with Threatened? I found information that this song would have evolved into Threatened. And that DeVante Swing would have worked on Monster.
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They're nothing alike. ZERO similarities. The Cascio "Monster" is the most similar.
SmoothGangsta said:
Yeah I think that's possible. I had it in my head that he worked on it before MJ died but wasn't sure if I was mixing it up with something else or not.
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Michael worked on it with Neff-U before his death and they added overdubs to a cassette rip of a version from the 1980s. The rip is slightly different than the version played by Sundberg and has complete vocals all the way through.
 
Alec said:
Michael worked on it with Neff-U before his death and they added overdubs to a cassette rip of a version from the 1980s. The rip is slightly different than the version played by Sundberg and has complete vocals all the way through.
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I remember reading a comment of yours from a while ago and you said that they added synth overdubs on the song, right? That the song sounded more retro. I wonder if Neff-U used that version for his remix made for the Michael album instead of the 1988 mix.
 
Alec said:
They're nothing alike. ZERO similarities. The Cascio "Monster" is the most similar.
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Thanks for your feedback ! Have you heard any other new songs? Do you know if there are any unreleased songs with Babyface? There are rumors about songs "Angel" and "Do You Love Me" without any sources.
 
So throwing your life away have more vocals we did not heard it yet ?
Alec said:
It all sounds like HIStory era MJ production-wise, just more melodic and more pop. So neither of its time (mid-late 2000s) nor current (2020s). Very neutral and timeless instrumentation, not dated.

They're nothing alike. ZERO similarities. The Cascio "Monster" is the most similar.

Michael worked on it with Neff-U before his death and they added overdubs to a cassette rip of a version from the 1980s. The rip is slightly different than the version played by Sundberg and has complete vocals all the way through.
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SmoothMel7 said:
# Tomboy

John Barnes - Facebook 2016

'' 'Tomboy' is a classic mid-'80s, complete with synthesizer drums, lovely strings, a nice guitar riff, and slap bass reminiscent of the 'Captain EO' soundtrack. The song also features a subtle 'ba-da-ba-da-bab-bab' melody which is almost identical to the 'I bet you remember' one in 'Remember the Time,' released on Michael Jackson's 'Dangerous' album six years later.

"Roger played well on Tomboy, but the song was just okay, in my opinion. Michael liked it, but it didn't hold up in comparison to the other music that was available for 'Bad'."..


In the Xscape Origins book,

The song "Tomboy" is described as complete with synth drums, gorgeous strings, and a great guitar riff. A good song by John Barnes, but not enough for the Bad album.

Matt Forger - 2012


"I worked on "Tomboy". It's a very funny subject. Very rhythmic, with lots of character and energy. I remember this song very well and I don't know if it came out somehow..."
"However, “Tomboy” was pretty complete in my opinion, but I’m not 100% sure. This is a fantastic topic and I really hope it gets covered at some point."
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Did Michael record lead vocals for it?
 
Jackson Unreleased 69 said:
Is fake Theappleheadmj once again trying to do a AI Project and put this is a seminar to actually think that is real while we know it sounds like GYWOOM
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Yes. That what I thought in beginning after that the doubt started spreading to my mind thanks for help
 
Wasn't Be Me 4 A Day first worked on during Bad and then reworked for Invincible?
 
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