Leaked emails update (Michael Jackson)

[serendipity]

Let me get this straight - y'all believe the HIStory tour totally ruined MJ's reputation as a singer, right? If so, then why complain so much now, the damage is already done, isn't it? The public condemned him for it, the media created a huge controversy over it and his singing reputation is now totally gone.

Oh wait......

 

[analogue]

COMING SUMMER 2016!

Footage of Michael scratching his ass is coming to the big screen in 3D!! Marvel at the genius performance and detail of Michael's amazing ass scratching! Critics got a sneak preview and they were blown away by the attention to detail.

 

[serendipity]

COMING SUMMER 2016!

Footage of Michael scratching his ass is coming to the big screen in 3D!! Marvel at the genius performance and detail of Michael's amazing ass scratching! Critics got a sneak preview and they were blown away by the attention to detail.

MJ's ass in 3D will get all the ladies rushing for tickets! :woohoo:

I'mma email the Estate this winning idea right now!

 

[barbee0715]

Well, I have been reading this thread for the last couple of days and it has just made me heartsick. I feel like I should say my piece before it gets too argumentative and closed or whatever-but I am dead set against ANY HIStory tour being released to any cinema and have been since John Branca made that announcement a few years ago. I remember thinking at the time "is he CRAZY??" and I have always liked and respected him, so I just hoped he got caught up in the excitement of that premiere and forgot all about it.

Michael's legacy as the "greatest entertainer of all time" is finally being re-established after many long years. It's been well over twenty years and we finally are not reading "the self proclaimed" adjective before the "The King of Pop." That has gone and is hopefully gone forever.

We all know that Michael was sick with lupus at the time of the HIStory tour, but I can't see anyone in the theatre saying "oh, he's sick with lupus and that's why he can't sing" when they didn't even believe he had vitiligo and they could see it with their own eyes. We've known about the lupus since the press inadvertently released his medical records after the Pepsi Burn-he writes about the pleurisy in his lungs in "Moonwalk." Not even Quincy Jones believes that.

We want to show why Michael really was the greatest entertainer of all time, NOT the greatest showman of all time-that's PT Barnum. Barnum put on shows-he wasn't the entertainer. He wasn't the triple threat. He couldn't dance, act, or SING. Theatrics do not a show make. Explosions, tanks-that's not what I would go to see.

I am absolutely mesmerized by these performances: Billie Jean, Man In the Mirror, Human Nature, Dirty Diana, She's Out of My Life, Ben. All of these are Michael, ALONE, in a SPOTLIGHT with a microphone, moving to the music, singing his heart out. Nothing can beat that, and he will never ever be as phenomenal as he was in the BAD tour, period. Physically, mentally, at the height of his powers, he was everything in that tour. That's what we want shown in theatres.

(And to digress a little, I don't want Dangerous in the theatre either. I don't like Bucharest at all because there are way too many shots of 19-25 year old girls going hysterical. When I see a Michael concert, I want to see him and my eyes just go to him.

He might have been great in the Dangerous Tour too, but nothing will match the BWT. And not to make light of this, the archery costume will never fly in the US if they show it here. Even though I knew what it was, that was mainly costumed for the European audiences and it looked more like he borrowed it from Madonna in her Blonde Ambition tour. If you watch the Super Bowl performance, he wears it when his image jumps up from the two scoreboards-and it's altered to look like a jacket, not a body suit. It was changed for the US audiences, obviously.)Do I want a show where Michael is laughed at? I've had enough of that in my lifetime.

Michael has acquired a lot of new fans-a lot of people now love him that didn't get the chance to grow up with him like I did. I want them to see what I see.
There's a zillion tours of HIStory on YouTube and let them release them on Blue Ray so everybody who want to see it can buy it-watch them at their homes on their updated equipment. But not in the theatres for general release.

And for anyone who doesn't think that lip syncing in a LIVE concert is not a big deal, does anyone remember the flak just a few years ago when Beyonce lip synced the National Anthem at President Obama's inauguration? We all know she can really sing, but it didn't matter-the press was terrible. And at her Super Bowl press conference she had everyone stand up and listen to her do it again, acapella. Yes, it's a big deal.

 

[analogue]

MJ's ass in 3D will get all the ladies rushing for tickets! :woohoo:

I'mma email the Estate this winning idea right now!

Just wait until the blu ray comes out. On the blu ray there will be a 6 hour documentary that shows the making of Michael's ass scratching

 

[HIStory]

Don't forget the classic:

Oh, but wait...

 

[Tony R]

Can I just add, if it needs saying that although I have strong opinions on HIStory tour & lip-syncing, I fully understand Zakk's and others point of view and am now way belittling them or saying they are wrong.


Thats' my equivalent of:
Due to my strong personal convictions, I wish to stress that this film in no way endorses a belief in the occult
—Michael Jackson

 

[Allusio]

"oh, he's sick with lupus and that's why he can't sing"

That is our responsibility to say it for everyone to know. We His fans can and have to make the difference.

I don’t know what will be released and if the choice is right but I know I will support it as it is Michael’s work, his blood and life.


AlwaysThere, so the result is all that matters? Why the man’s work has no value for his dedication, for God’s sake the man died to give US his best…

 

[Lil]

By the way I don't get the argument of picture & sound quality over the actual performance & vocals.

By that logic Justin Beiber on Blu-Ray HD is better than Bad on VHS.

When I watch Bad @ Wembley I don't care one iota that the picture could be better. I ain't looking at pixels or resolution. I'm looking at Michael performing like no other human being ever has or will, enjoying himself, looking happy & relaxed, funking his way through some of the best songs ever written. Storming his way vocally though his songs, giving them a kick that the album versions never had. Doing ad-libs that resonate and give an extra quality to a song, making it even more enjoyable than the version I knew, something I never knew was possible.

He's making new aural experiences for me, which means not only do I have songs like Billie Jean, WBSS, Another Part Of Me, Dirty Diana, Smooth Criminal as I knew them, but I know have these new live versions. So in 2012 I was lucky enough to have these Michael Jackson tracks added to my collection even years after I lost him. And I am incredibly grateful for that.

Thank you! couldn't agree more:yes: same goes for the argument of theatrics imo.. I do get how it's part of the experience, but any artist can come up with a big production like that.. it says nothing about their talent as a performer! This isn't just about fireworks, it's about emotion and when Michael sang and danced his way through those songs he was the music, he completely lost himself in it, and that makes him so captivating to look at and wonderful to listen to:heart: At the end of the day, that's what earned him his reputation as the world's best entertainer, not just cause he could dance but because he was able to really touch people's hearts with his performances. That is what should be showcased and promoted, and imo HIStory is not a good way do do it.

Anyways, this discussion seems to be getting pointless since people keep misunderstanding arguments for not being excited about the possibility of the release of this tour in cinema as 'bashing' Michael.. :sigh:

 

[Allusio]

Anyways, this discussion seems to be getting pointless since people keep misunderstanding arguments for not being excited about the possibility of the release of this tour in cinema as 'bashing' Michael.. :sigh:

This misunderstanding comes because some things sound as if all Michael’s work, vision and dedication that is in the History tour at the end mean nothing.

 

[Zakk]

I apologize for some of the thing's i said, but you guys go way over the top with your exaggerations and comparisons. That's the last thing i'm going to say, i hope this will be released.

 

[analogue]

That is our responsibility to say it for everyone to know. We His fans can and have to make the difference.

I don’t know what will be released and if the choice is right but I know I will support it as it is Michael’s work, his blood and life.


AlwaysThere, so the result is all that matters? Why the man’s work has no value for his dedication, for God’s sake the man died to give US his best…

People won't care if Michael had this health problem or that health problem. They'll just see him lip syncing though 90% of a show.

 

[HIStory]

By the way I don't get the argument of picture & sound quality over the actual performance & vocals.

By that logic Justin Beiber on Blu-Ray HD is better than Bad on VHS.

Exactly. I don't know why the theatrics of the HIStory tour alone should get me excited. Anyone can do big theatrics - that doesn't take talent, just a deep pocket. And to be honest HIStory tour wasn't that big on theatrics either. I mean it was almost 20 years ago, its theatrics won't get anyone go crazy now when there are shows with lot more advanced theatrics, lights, spectacularities etc. What made a MJ concert stand out was not the shallow theatrics. It was his talent and charisma. While he still had his charisma on the HIStory tour (and I think that is the reason why he could get away with that tour), but it only showcases a limited part of his talent compared to his previous tours.

“But for people who don't want to see this released” … very interesting.

You know, everything about anyone can be criticized! It goes not just for Michael and not just for something that is done wrong, some people will be very happy to destroy His dancing and theatrical and entertaining aspects of the show as well … But that doesn’t mean it must not be released because someone will “destroy” it.

So what we have to do ?

WE as His fans have to support and protect this part of His History the best we can and not destroy it OURSELVES with such cruelty, IMHO !!!

Michael tried his best for us to see it, he worked hard and wend “through hell touring”.

If we can’t be grateful and supportive then who will?

At this point I don't know any more if you guys deliberately keep misrepresenting our point. It was stated over and over again that we do not want to "destroy" the HIstory tour. Many of us even stated that we don't mind being released as a low-key fan release for those fans who want to have it in their collection. The point is that for a high profile, theatrical release it is a horrible idea. That's all. Why do you guys not want him be represented at his best in the cinemas instead of his worst which would only open him up to harsh criticism?

Let me get this straight - y'all believe the HIStory tour totally ruined MJ's reputation as a singer, right? If so, then why complain so much now, the damage is already done, isn't it? The public condemned him for it, the media created a huge controversy over it and his singing reputation is now totally gone.

Oh wait......

It was long ago and it's a long forgotten tour (thankfully). No need to bring attention back on it when they could bring attention on a concert that showcases Michael at his best.

That is our responsibility to say it for everyone to know. We His fans can and have to make the difference.

When you have to explain a performance and have to make excuses for it to your friends coming out of the cinema then that is not a good performance. Why not simply put a show in the theaters which does not require any explanation and any excuses? I do not want to make excuses for him, I want to be proud of the show that I have shown my friends.

 

[lougrizli]

respect77, if I was able to give you 1000Thanks, I would do it.

 

[Allusio]

Respect77, If I have to I will explain ;-)

Again - I don’t know what will be released and if the choice is right but I know I will support it as it is Michael’s work, his blood and life.

 

[lougrizli]

Ok, you support it etc but WHY not release a concert where u see Michael at his best? With crazy energy, crazy voice, crazy moves !

 

[Zakk]

Ok, you support it etc but WHY not release a concert where u see Michael at his best? With crazy energy, crazy voice, crazy moves !

You and other's have said this a thousand times, and ONCE AGAIN you can be sure that HIStory will not be the last show to be released. If you don't like it, move on.

 

[Allusio]

lougrizli, IDK, maybe because it is from his last tour. We need to wait and see what will come.

 

[Lil]

This misunderstanding comes because some things sound as if all Michael’s work, vision and dedication that is in the History tour at the end mean nothing.

Nobody's said anything like that, are you forgetting we're all fans here? I think it comes from some of you getting way too defensive without listening to our actual arguments and replying to those. So far no one has been able to explain to me just WHY they should choose HIStory over Bad or Dangerous when it comes to a cinema release....?

 

[Zakk]

^ IDK, maybe because it is from his last tour. We need to wait and see what will come.

Yes, we should wait and see. People are pissed off about the fact that they're not doing what they want, the fact they are releasing unreleased footage like this should be appreciated. We don't deserve anything, so if you're just gonna complain then just leave the discussion.

 

[Allusio]

Nobody's said anything like that, are you forgetting we're all fans here? I think it comes from some of you getting way too defensive without listening to our actual arguments and replying to those. So far no one has been able to explain to me just WHY they should choose HIStory over Bad or Dangerous when it comes to a cinema release....?

Well, that’s the impression I get … Why History for a cinema release? IDK, but I hope ALL Bad and Dangerous will be for a cinema release, so why History should not ;-)

 

[Galactus123]

I am absolutely mesmerized by these performances: Billie Jean, Man In the Mirror, Human Nature, Dirty Diana, She's Out of My Life, Ben. All of these are Michael, ALONE, in a SPOTLIGHT with a microphone, moving to the music, singing his heart out. Nothing can beat that, and he will never ever be as phenomenal as he was in the BAD tour, period. Physically, mentally, at the height of his powers, he was everything in that tour. That's what we want shown in theatres.

I agree 100%.

Theatrics aren't everything

I'll take the ''Tell me what about it'' ad libs at the end of Earth Song at Royal Brunei over a tank being brought on stage anyday

I almost always skip the tank and crying part.

 

[analogue]

The Estate are not our kings

So....I'm the only one who has a shrine built to John Branca in my bedroom?

 

[Allusio]

Respect77, an idea that is so controversial, maybe I really don’t understand something but what is so controversial in History concert – lip-syncing and what people will say about it… that’s it?

You know media can destroy anything, good or bad… we know nothing about the project, even if it’s actually true or not so I guess it is right to give Michael a chance with History.


I just want to say one thing, two years ago or so, in my city a group of MJ fans paid one cinema theater (a small one) to show us History concert. It was the one in Munich. And that was a nice time spending… we were crying and laughing and we were not thinking about lip-syncing or judging some theatrical decisions, everything – even the tank were perfect. It is Michael, we here will never guess how it will turn out. IMO, If done right History concert can yet surprise us.

 

[Zakk]

Nearly 60 million views. 116,000 thumbs up & 5,910 thumbs down.

The comments also, mostly positive.. only a few people mention lip syncing.

 

[lougrizli]

Nearly 60 million views. 116,000 thumbs up & 5,910 thumbs down.

The comments also, mostly positive.. only a few people mention lip syncing.

Views doesn't mean quality. Justin Bieber: + 1 Billion.

 

[Galactus123]

I would be ok if they released Prague, Munich or any other HIstory Tour concert on Blu-Ray but not in cinemas.

 

[SmoothMJ]

It seems to me that there are a lot of MJ fans who actually ENJOY boycotting MJ releases.

They might not admit it, and they might pretend they would 'prefer' something else ('cos that makes it seem like the care), but all they seem interested in is boycotting.

It could be a deep rooted problem with Sony, The Estate, or both. But there is definite resentment, from a lot of 'fans'.

Why do I think this? I have yet to see one release that hasn't had pages and pages of criticism. Not one!

It's often the same people, and they often repeat the same criticisms over and over again, day after day, until, it seems, they have bullied other people into giving up supporting the 'offending' release.

TII had the backing of the general public, being close to the death of MJ, and was a HUGE success. The other releases have been, pretty much, left to the fans to generate the sales. None of them have done as well as they should have due, in my opinion, to the never ending boycotts. It's like a lot of fans have gotten into this mindframe, and can not get out of it.

I fell like some people are waiting for the latest product, so they examine in in minute detail, and find the slightest reason to complain and criticise. Then it's "let's get on to the Estate and force them to stop! If not, we boycott!!"

These people never stop to think that there might be thousands of MJ fans across the world who want to see or hear the product. A few dozen internet warriors decide for everyone. Even for people who don't spend all day on the web, picking over the bones of every little thing, so they can 'decide' what's best for MJ. Is that the justice and democracy good people fight for?

If I don't like something, I stay away from it/don't buy it. I don't go around trying to get it banned, just because I don't agree with it.

What is up with some people?

 

[Zakk]

It seems to me that there are a lot of MJ fans who actually ENJOY boycotting MJ releases.

They might not admit it, and they might pretend they would 'prefer' something else ('cos that makes it seem like the care), but all they seem interested in is boycotting.

It could be a deep rooted problem with Sony, The Estate, or both. But there is definite resentment, from a lot of 'fans'.

Why do I think this? I have yet to see one release that hasn't had pages and pages of criticism. Not one!

It's often the same people, and they often repeat the same criticisms over and over again, day after day, until, it seems, they have bullied other people into giving up supporting the 'offending' release.

TII had the backing of the general public, being close to the death of MJ, and was a HUGE success. The other releases have been, pretty much, left to the fans to generate the sales. None of them have done as well as they should have due, in my opinion, to the never ending boycotts. It's like a lot of fans have gotten into this mindframe, and can not get out of it.

I fell like some people are waiting for the latest product, so they examine in in minute detail, and find the slightest reason to complain and criticise. Then it's "let's get on to the Estate and force them to stop! If not, we boycott!!"

These people never stop to think that there might be thousands of MJ fans across the world who want to see or hear the product. A few dozen internet warriors decide for everyone. Even for people who don't spend all day on the web, picking over the bones of every little thing, so they can 'decide' what's best for MJ. Is that the justice and democracy good people fight for?

If I don't like something, I stay away from it/don't buy it. I don't go around trying to get it banned, just because I don't agree with it.

What is up with some people?

Defining post of this thread.

 

[Zakk]

Views doesn't mean quality. Justin Bieber: + 1 Billion.

Yeah, but comments do. Plus views do actually mean something! that performance from Munich has more views than some of Michael's short films, plus the thumbs up ratio is fantastic.