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Latoya Jackson Then and Now (some things never change)

kindofdisco said:
See, it's stuff like this that makes me upset. Why would you say that about another person? Regardless of who they are? That's really quite horrible. It makes me sad.
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Let me say you why. Let's say that MJ was indeed guilty, right? So Latoya knew that MJ allegedly did stuf to kids but instead of reporting him to the police and having that "monster" lock up in a jail and kids safe and sound, what she does? She arrenges interviews. What that makes her? Either way Latoya is a pathetic human being and a human being with no morals and sympathy what so ever. That should make you sad not me calling a trully pathetic human being with the name that she/he deserves to be called.
 
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Let me say you why. Let's say that MJ was indeed guilty, right? So Latoya knew that MJ allegedly did stuf to kids but instead of reporting him to the police and having that "monster" lock up in a jail and kids safe and sound, what she does? She arrenges interviews. What that makes her? Either way Latoya is a pathetic human being and a human being with no morals and sympathy what so ever. That should make you sad not me calling a trully pathetic human being with the name that she/he deserves to be called.
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I don't think it's okay to call another person "a pathetic human being". You can criticize someone's behaviour that you've seen, but we don't know LaToya personally. We don't know Michael personally. Again, LaToya said those things while under her husband's influence, and yes I do firmly believe she was the victim of a terrible case of abuse. It was extremely out of character for her at the time to say those things, it doesn't match up with her past behaviour in the 80's and the 70's, particularly as she was very close to Michael.
 
kindofdisco said:
I'm sorry but "too bad" is a very childish and inappropriate response. I have tried being civil with you to explain my opinion, but you are constantly attacking me and claiming that I'm apparently "always" dragging Michael's name into it. I "dragged" Michael into this conversation to show that your statement was extremely hypocritical in light of what Michael was percieved to be by thousands of people during the trial, and still thousands do believe.

I do not have "excuses" for LaToya. I have stated SEVERAL times now that I am not a fan, and I do NOT agree with what she's been saying. I was simply stating that I, myself - in my OWN opinion - would like to give her the benefit of the doubt, because we don't know the full story.

I am not a hateful person. I love Michael and his family, despite all of the things they may have done in the past. If you can't accept than, then you need to move on and stop attacking me. This forum is for people who LIKE the Jacksons. And I happen to appreciate their talents.



You're acting like I've just decided to give LaToya an award for talking crap about her brother or something, haha! Yet again, I wasn't defending what she was saying. All I stated was that I was giving her the benefit of the doubt, because AGAIN, we don't know the full story.

Please do not take my posts to the extreme to suit your own needs and get up in arms about Michael.
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ok I will address you kindly..as I always do to every other poster in our MJ Community...you are entitled to your opinion about LaToya...even though she has been spouting the same crap for the last 20 years...you say that we dont know the whole story...at this point it doesnt really make a difference...its been 20 years and she is still using the same stuff ..this time in another book. Can you kindly tell me what you think her excuse is for repeatedly speaking badly of Michael..who as we know is not here to defend himself against her ..she NEVER said anything about him OR his children when he was alive...she waits until he is gone and cannot defend himself..THEN she starts talking all this crap. Can you please clarify why it is she does this...Thank you
 
Why cant you dicuss the topic instead ot each other _ Are you incapable ?????

please stay on topic and stop belittling each other or i will close my own thread :(
This is my topic and im not even doing that. I think some people dont have valid points
of thier own so they just attack someone else for thiers - discuss what is in the videos
I provided instead of derailing the thread by attacking each other

please , please please _Thanks
 
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ok I will address you kindly..as I always do to every other poster in our MJ Community...you are entitled to your opinion about LaToya...even though she has been spouting the same crap for the last 20 years...you say that we dont know the whole story...at this point it doesnt really make a difference...its been 20 years and she is still using the same stuff ..this time in another book. Can you kindly tell me what you think her excuse is for repeatedly speaking badly of Michael..who as we know is not here to defend himself against her ..she NEVER said anything about him OR his children when he was alive...she waits until he is gone and cannot defend himself..THEN she starts talking all this crap. Can you please clarify why it is she does this...Thank you
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Thank you Thunder :)
now thats what Im talking about get some diaogue going
and discuss the issues and topic _ I appreciate that
 
kindofdisco said:
I don't think it's okay to call another person "a pathetic human being". You can criticize someone's behaviour that you've seen, but we don't know LaToya personally. We don't know Michael personally. Again, LaToya said those things while under her husband's influence, and yes I do firmly believe she was the victim of a terrible case of abuse. It was extremely out of character for her at the time to say those things, it doesn't match up with her past behaviour in the 80's and the 70's, particularly as she was very close to Michael.
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Right, i don't know them and you don't know them personally, i presume. I judge and criticize them, both of them ,based on things and evidences that are out there. I have critized MJ very harshly on things that he has done publicly and i have also called him different names for the mistakes that he has done again publicly. Same with Latoya. I judge her based on her public actions and based on them i will continued to have the same opinion about her. And just to clear it up, i don't believe for a second that her abusive husband made her say all those things about MJ. Did her abusive husband also made her say that her father had molsested her and Janet?

Jealusy is a very strong feeling. It can make people do stuff that you wouldn't have them capable of, even kill someone. I believe that is and always was the situation with Latoya. Envy.
 
Qbee..I have to agree with you on this topic....as a matter of fact I was waching some of these clips today on youtube.and I ran across the one with LaToya with the blonde hair and I was wondering if she herself may have been on drugs back at that point in time. She found it very easy to say that she was abused..and I agree,,maybe she was...but..she has already written that book...is there really a need to rewrite it again...Idont know maybe she feels the need to get the word out there about abuse..maybe in her head she feels as though she may be able to save woman from it...who knows maybe she will save atleast 1 life..and if she does,,then that is a good thing.
 
Personally I dont think she wrote either book to help abuse victims. not for one min.

the first book she states her family was keeping her capitive and sexually abusing her. and she broke free and wants to help others. The second book she says the first book was a lie and Jacks Gordon was holding her captive and she broke free and wants to help others. The third book she discusses Jack Gordon praises her father Joes disaplinary actions makes unfounded statements and negative statements about MJ and what he may or may not have said or done to suite her agenda. She states she broke free is starting over and she wants to help abuse victims. She alwas says that even when her claims wer blatant lies as in her first book. So what has changed ?

I say she is the one abusing in all books she is abusing either her own family, Michael and his children with disengenuine statements about them and even out right filthy lies. I say ALL her books were for the same reason. For attention fame and money. I dont believe she is sincere and I think she is still abusing Michael his children and his legacy with her pathatic little white lies and her blatant liesas she continues with these interviews and its all for her own fame attention and Money.

I see no change from then and now _ She is milking this for all its worth.
 
so she has written all these books and then contradicted herself in the next book by saying that the last book was lies...so here is the question....how do people l know when she is telling is the truth?? That is a easy question to answer,,,they don't....all she is doing is trying to make more money that is all...and that is why fans get so mad at her...she tells lies..and then she walks around like she is clueless...making the rounds on all the talk and radio shows. I just cannot bare to hear her anymore.
 
I think the ironic thing about it is that her first book was more or less truthful. Yeah, there was some unbelievable stuff in it, but most of her stories where supported by Michael and Jermaine's second ex-wife, too lazy to look up her name. In the book she actually told the 'Joe in a casket' story the exact same why Michael himself described it the Rabbi's tapes and how Jermaine was insanely jealous of Michael and tried to undermine his success. Not to mention how she described Joe as a bully who terrorize his entire family, something all the siblings admitted to at some point. She also showed Mrs. Jackson as something less than saintly and could be as greedy as Joe at times, something recent events has showed us to be mostly true.

The kicker, of course, being that her abusive husband forced her to write all of this. So by her admission, her abusive husband told her to write a book about the family that was mostly true. Now that she is 'free' she chose to write a book that is mostly third person accounts and lies. That doesn't look good at all since it implies that she was more truthful when she was abused.

That also doesn't explain her habit of adding stuff that wasn't in the book. For the first book it was her story about Joe sexually abusing her and her older sister. Now, it is about Branca being part of a murder plot and thousands of 'I hate you' notes. Since her husband isn't here to force her, why didn't she put these details in her book? Maybe Joe is now the one forcing her to say these things?

At best, Toya is really a mentally unstable person who barely lives within the boarder of reality and should get help right away. At worst, she is a unredeemable liar who allowed her jealousy of her brother to twist her and open her up to being used by people like her ex-husband. I let you decide which side she falls.
 
I second xthunderx's query - if we are to give LaToya the benefit of the doubt, it would be great to hear the possible explanations for her behaviour. Yes, it will be only be speculation but it would still be good to hear.
 
Thunder THANK YOU!!!! I am tired with people saying the abusive relationship caused her to say these HORRIBLE THINGS. Where is that deep control that caused her to stay and comply. I don't see it. Look at her again. How could a person who is under control and fear for their safety sit calmly and say they don't love the person, or say the person is abusive. Isn't she afraid that when she gets home he would smash her face for embarrassing him in public. Let us stop blaming the abusive relationship for her actions. I am sorry she was abused but she uses it to hide behind the true intent of her actions.

The thing does not make sense. Hubby made her say these things and because he controlled her she had to do it. Now ask yourself, what would hubby gain by this disclosure. Would he get money? Would Latoya be the next big Michael Jackson and her fame would make him rich? Why would he want her to shame Michael and cause him to go to prison? I cannot see his purpose, so I cannot believe this nonsense that hubby made her do it.

I say she did it on her own for some purpose. She was over 30 and knew what she was doing. You do not need a passport to leave a man in America.

This other nonsense that Michael and Latoya were oh so close in the 70s and 80s, as stated in a post above, don't forget there are members on this board who have been around in the good old days. Latoya basically stayed home while the Jackson boys toured, so Michael was closer to the boys than Latoya. She moved out first and went to New York and Michael went there to make the Wiz. They became closer. Then Michael went back to LA and continued his career. He had her in some videos because that is his sister and he wants to help her out. Let's stop pretending that he and Latoya were close as a ring on a finger.
 
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La Tonta is a complete mess. She can go to the Pope to tell their stories and all your bla bla bla. I can imagine people talking and laughing about her.... :fear: No one will ever take La Tonta seriously, this is a fact. -_- :coffee:
 
True Ash. Many will not take her seriously, but some will. I am still waiting for her to tell me what her husband stood to gain for making her lie about Michael. She states he made her do things but she never said why.
 
I personally think it's high time that people just called a spade a spade. LaToya Jackson has always been and continues to be an outright bold-faced, pathological liar. PERIOD. So, let me see, why should she be given the "abuse victim card" everytime she blatantly lies as she has done in the past? Jack Gordon is dead, so WHO is forcing her to LIE NOW!? Noone but her damn self. I'm also tired of this crap about "she is his family, yada yada yada". AND? Sometimes FAMILY are the ones who will hurt you deeper than non-family, and from what we have seen for years, MJ had a reason to stay away...The man was having to constantly watch and wait for the knife to be planted and twisted in his back by people he unfortunately shares blood with. Being related doesn't make anyone above lieing for their own benefit which most have done, so egregiously. And, it's a sad state of affairs, when the general public, and some media, have had to admit openly, that they see why MJ had the problems he had, with this family. Even if they may not like him, they've had some sympathy for this mess. I'm still trying to figure out, who held the gun to LaToya's head and "made" her disrespect MJ's parenting abilities in US magazine...don't worry, I'll wait. There's a fine line between liking a family, and going along with the bs, just because you "like" them. So, I'm guessing, that if she spouts some more lies, some will still "like" her, and cry about how she's abused...like I said, Jack Gordon is dead, and if Latoya really felt any sympathy or LOVE for Michael, she would have been shut the hell up, but as we see, no such luck. Take it for what you will.
 
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I watched La Toya on Celebrity Apprentice, and I really liked her. So, I've been trying to see things from her perspective. However, when she started making comments about Michael being too strict (he made his kids read books and only let them watch age-appropriate tv shows!!!), I lost all respct for her. There's simply no excuse for her talking about him like that.

The videos were really interesting. It is surprising to to hear how similar her answers were to the ones she gives now.
 
this thread is interesting Qbee, thanks for posting those videos. I think some people needed a reminder that some things never change and LaToya is continuing with her old tune throwing Michael under the bus in the process.
 
This is what I think is toya's issue. It's called getting the Attention she never had when she was younger. She finally got it when she did what she did in the early 90's to MJ and the rest and she loved it. She is addicted to the attention wether it's bad or good, people are listening to her and that's good enough for her! Definetly this all comes from her sheltered childhood and wanting the same attention as other members of the family.

But, what a shame the way she used that lack of attention and anger from it against her family. And since MJ is the most famous, talented and has gotten the most attention since he was a child that made her very Jealous of him in particular more so then the others. And because of that he got the biggest and worst attack from her for it! She obviously knew attacking her own blood and the biggest star in the world would get alot of ATTENTION for many people around the world!

After all who was La Toya Jackson in the industry before she went against her brother Michael Jackson....? .....lol

And the bait she uses for people to pay attention to her crap (the ones that always gives her the benefit of the doubt or believes her) is her being his sister, so she must know things is the game she plays!
 
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kindofdisco said:
Well, sure. LaToya does say some silly things. But do we really need a thread for this? There's already a bunch of LaToya threads where you can freely spew your hate against her. I don't really think we need another one. If you don't agree with her behaviour, I think it's just best to take your opinion and move on. *shrugs*

I'm not a LaToya supporter, but at the end of the day she was still Michael's sister and he forgave her after the incidents in the early 90's. I do think she was under complete control of her husband, and that's why she said those things. Otherwise, what sister would say such terrible words about their own flesh and blood? Michael and LaToya were very close in the late 70's and early 80's, I would think LaToya knew him better than some of their other siblings. So for me, her behaviour just doesn't match up with that period in the 90's. There were things going on in her life that she couldn't control - because nobody told her how to deal with them, sometimes its hard growing up one way and not knowing certain things - and I don't think she should be blamed for that.

However, what she's doing now is a bit more of a confusing story. I don't agree with it, but I don't agree with calling her names and cussing her out about it either. She doesn't have her head on straight at the moment, but I'm willing to wait and see where this goes.
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You sound like what rehab counselors call "enablers": looking to make amends for or excuse the selfishly destructive actions of others. You think relatives are immune to using and hurting each other for money, fame, etc? Being related to someone doesn't make you bullet proof from being betrayed by them. If you turn on the news you hear story after story of family members robbing, abusing and killing each other. This is as old as the bible's Cain murdering his brother, Abel.

LaToya only cares about LATOYA. She said herself that she wanted what Michael had (immense fame and fortune), but was too clueless to realize she had a snowball's chance in Hell of getting it.
 
SheilaMJFan4Ever said:
You sound like what rehab counselors call "enablers": looking to make amends for or excuse the selfishly destructive actions of others. You think relatives are immune to using and hurting each other for money, fame, etc? Being related to someone doesn't make you bullet proof from being betrayed by them. If you turn on the news you hear story after story of family members robbing, abusing and killing each other. This is as old as the bible's Cain murdering his brother, Abel.

LaToya only cares about LATOYA. She said herself that she wanted what Michael had (immense fame and fortune), but was too clueless to realize she had a snowball's chance in Hell of getting it.
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Erm, no I don't. And I don't need to be analysed like that. I actually find that quite offensive.

I have said time and time again in this thread that I DO NOT AGREE WITH LATOYA'S BEHAVIOUR. Could I make that any clearer for people who think I am defending her? Again, I want to give her the benefit of the doubt because we don't know the full story. And we probably never will, we're not part of that family and we don't know what went on.

Also, I'd appreciate it if you didn't put words into my mouth. Thanks.
 
^ ??????? But, what in the world are u waiting for though? I wouldn't hold my breath if I were u! lol What possibe excuse can their be to give her the benefit of the doubt, may I asked? With all she has done and said? What, possible reason...GOOD reason can their be for anyone to do that to a brother? Doesnt even matter that we don't know the "whole story" like u say. It's just sounds like an excuse on ur part because she his relative!
 
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^ ??????? But, what in the world are u waiting for though? I wouldn't hold my breath if I were u! lol What possibe excuse can their be to give her the benefit of the doubt, may I asked? With all she has done and said? What, possible reason...GOOD reason can their be for anyone to do that to a brother? Doesnt even matter that we don't know the "whole story" like u say. It's just sounds like an excuse on ur part because she his relative!
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It DOES matter. How awful to judge someone based on a partial story we hear from the media and from what they've chosen to say. Given, LaToya has made it very hard for us to like her based on what she's been saying since Michael passed. But I don't know, I'm just holding out that things will clear up once the trial gets going and LaToya get's her head on straight. She seems to go through periods of clarity and then utter nonsense, like recently.

I'm very entitled to make excuses for Michael's family. As a fan of his, I feel that I should respect his family too. Nobody else has to, but that's how I feel and I'm sticking to that. Again, I don't believe in this very vocal hatred against his family. You don't have to like them, but you don't have to insult them at every turn too.

There is a civil way of going about it, although there are very little people here that do that. I'm thankful the atmosphere is much nicer on other boards. I feel all I end up doing here is trying to get people to see how much negativity they throw at Michael's family without a care in the world. Again, it's fine to have your opinions and I myself am not pleased with LaToya's behaviour (nor some other family members). But it doesn't give me the right to insult, belittle and hate upon her.
 
So u do it as respect to the family because their his family and that's it....o_O Okay...I wonder if u would do that if they weren't!?

To me I can't do that just base on the reason that they share the same blood. To me that's a big AND?! If my fam would have done the things some have done to him, I would send them to hell! Infact there are some siblings (cousins) of mine that I ain't to close to because of the way they act and things they say and I don't make it a secret to them to stay the freak away from me, our blood don't grant them shit!

I don't attack everything the Jacksons do or even hate them. But, I can't sit and just hope for the best because they his fam. When alot of the crap he had to deal with in life came from them directly! I'm sure u can underdtand that?!
 
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kindofdisco, you make it sound like LaToya is this lost child who doesn't know what she's saying and that probably she will later see the light and we all should just sit and wait patiently for that moment to arrive.

LaToya is almost 60 years old. She's been saying the same things for 20 years. Even if it's not the whole story like you put it, it's enough of the story to get the idea what's going on. And it's not the media that's portraying her this way. It's LaToya herself. We are not talking about some printed stories in tabloids where the original words can be twisted. We are talking about her interviews where she says all those things all by herself again and again.

And you must really like her if you keep giving her the benefit of the doubt but at the same time you were fast enough to proclaim Michael a drug addict. Yes, I still remember that thread.
 
LOL at fans who don't realise that Michael WAS an addict for a period of time in his life. Of course you remember that thread, honey.Because I pointed out the damn truth.

You know what, I am DONE with this thread.
 
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