MsCassieMollie
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Gaga's got so many followers it's scary. Too sad how many follow godless people. Not starting anything, just making an alarming observation...
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Gaga's got so many followers it's scary. Too sad how many follow godless people. Not starting anything, just making an alarming observation...
Record sales are a form of validation, Guinness Records are a form of valdiation, as are other measures. Michael did like being number one. He wanted Thriller to be the biggest selling album, which means being Number one.
I remember his face at his announcement of the TII tour, he was overwhelmed by the reception. It meant something for him to see that excitement and love from fans again. He's a human being and to have 20 million facebook followers, when his contemporaries like Prince and Madonna, only have a fraction of that number, I do believe would have given him a feel good moment. That's all it gives to some of his fans too. A feel good moment for him. And yeah, with him gone, we embrace the moment. It's nothing more or less than that.
Those number ones that Michael broke were from credible reliable sources and most of them were during a time the music industry was different. Today's music industry is more centered around popularity and the internet which are really not accurate measurements of success.
Once again, I highly doubt Michael would care about a video site and face book.
Michael has NOTHING to prove because has already proved it.
Not only that, I highly doubt he would be worry about two artists that are no where in his league.
I think its sad that even Michael Jackson fans try to place Michael in the same category as these artists out now when there is no competition. The media is playing games and will tell you want think you want to here even though that is not the reality of what it is. I personally dont see why it would be important to you as MJ fan when there are plenty of great material on youtube by great artists that nevers get views not just Michael.
Just because times are different doesn't mean irrelevance. Like I said, I agree sites like youtube and facebook don't have a lot of credibility but they are peripheral guages of interest and popularity, similar to things like Yahoo or Google Top 10 searches. And the music business has ALWAYS been greatly popularity driven.
It certainly would not make or break his day, but I do think it would give him that moment of satisfaction, not an important moment, but one just the same.
I totally agree.
Worry about them? No. But he was highly competitive, that's one of the reasons he worked so hard. But he was mainly competitive with himself, surpassing that high bar was competition enough for anyone.
Never said it was important to me. I just like the idea of him doing well in anything and everything, today, yesterday, tomorrow, forever...whatever it is. I don't add any major significance to it, I just like it. I like his TII documentary was the #1 concert movie. I like his Thriller was the number one album, I like something as silly as the number of facebook followers having my angel with 20 million of them.
If you don't, you don't. It doesn't mean I need validation of his greatness or someone who doesn't have an interest in such things is somehow more a valid fan.
If it would not make or break him then why care about it?
You keep saying that you dont need validation but you wanting Michael to have more views than gaga and Justin is wanting validation of being number one from a source.
I think any fan would like for Michael to do well but I dont think your grasping the fact that Youtube and Facbook are very meaningless especially when it comes to Michael Jackson who is WAY more above that and not to mention way above the artists that you want Michael to compete with. At this point, I dont really care if Michael is number one in the eyes of the media because I dont need that from media. I dont need medias validation of Michael being number one because I know he ALREADY is and forever will be THE number ONE artist of all time his talent, legacy, music, dance, contribution, impact, influence, awards, sells, humanitarian efforts speaks for it self
I keep saying I don't need it because it's true. I don't need validation for MJ. But if we want to get a little deeper here, MJ was always seeking a form of it. He said it all the time. "All I want is to be loved". Acceptance and recognition were very important to him. Winners of the American Music Awards are a result of public polls. Who's to say how many times voters actually contrive to vote. It's nothing but a popularity contest, but when MU won several for his first solo album Off the Wall, he grinned from ear to ear. It meant something to him. Grammy winners too are derived from subjective opinion. They may be the opinion of those in his industry, but it all still boils down to opinion, popularity, and a large dose of politics. When the Grammy's ignored OTW, it devastated him. He set out for his next album to be one that could not be ignored.
...I totally grasp them, but I like him ranking high in them.[.b]
I like thinking millions upon millions APPRECIATE him. Even if it's a FALSE impression created by just ten folks (who have way too much time on their hands) clicking like crazy to up his views on youtube or adding themselves multiple times as followers or whatever on facebook.
ETA: I've enjoyed this exchange with you. Thanks....although I know we'll never agree.
You need to stop saying that you dont need it when its been obvious through out this whole conversation that that is what you want. If you didnt care about Michael getting ahead on facebook or youtube we would not be discussing this right now and you would be agreeing with me.
Why should other peoples opinion matter to you? Your a Michael Jackson fan thats the only thing that should matter WHO CARES about what everyone else thinks. Its evidence that alot of people appreciate Michael, he would not have been or be successful without a mass majority of people admiring him.
I'm glad you have enjoyed it but other peoples opinion or validation should not make your fanhood for Michael Jackson anymore or any less. It really doesnt matter what other people think, the only thing that matters is what YOU think.
Remember, that Michael LOVED Gaga.
I understand your feelings, but Lady Gaga is in her "heyday". If there had been a FB when MJ started including his Jackson 5 days through the present, he'd have a hundred million if not 200 million followers by this time. All things being relative, his ranking is actually mindblowing to me.
That's true.I understand your feelings, but Lady Gaga is in her "heyday". If there had been a FB when MJ started including his Jackson 5 days through the present, he'd have a hundred million if not 200 million followers by this time. All things being relative, his ranking is actually mindblowing to me.
She could have been a nice person, she can be sensitive and charitable at times. But she's mostly the person she deliberately chose to be and it's not a good one.
Lady Gaga didn't choose to be a person. She is what she is. Her personality is intended to liberate the 'freaks' in society - those who feel like they are nothing, whether it's wearing a meat dress or bleeding on stage - she comments on society in the most confronting way possible, to give the audience these messages.
Like Michael Jackson, her intentions are entirely positive and incredibly selfless. Every action she does is for her fans, and helps people - like me - to feel comfortable with who I am.
She's not going 'Hollywood Tonight' and I think it's plain stupid that you included Michael's quotes to make her seem like Michael pitied her. She used to be heavy into drugs before her career took off and managed to save herself before it came too late and she discourages her previous lifestyle to her fans. This name change, you're on about, is not a change of persona, but more of a universal connection to every type of fan. No fan is felt like they are left out. Gaga purely wants her fans to celebrate themselves and love the bits they think are flawed. PURELY POSITIVE, just like Michael.
It's funny how when one artist starts to become incredibly successful, braking records and creating new platforms. You guys seem to be the first ones to attack them. Just like the media.
....and I find it quite upsetting, that you guys are so ready to judge an artist, based on how the media perceives them - vilified or glorified. As Michael Jackson fans, I thought you'd understand this and avoid tabloid influences. WWMJD?