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Joe outside Michael's house: "I got something that will end all our problems".

Michael was not an addict when he died. All he wanted was his insomnia to go away..Who are we to judge him?
How does one become addicted to prescription meds.by enablers!!
I cannot understand some people.
He was trying for his kids..Joe Jackson would of done something. HE didn't want his son dead regardless..
 
and Joe did say at LKK when he was there with Rowe that Michael had been consulting him re his arrangements with AEG. in particular, he said Michael told him that he wanted to be paid in British pounds, but AEG said no, USD would be better for him, which Joe disagreed with.

so i guess it meant that Michael was starting to trust Joe again. something like when push comes to shove, Michael knew that his father, rather than those people, would still be the one to have his best interests at heart.

and i really don't know if his handlers, including security, could have such power over him that they could cut him off from his family. i'd like to believe that Michael still called the shots till the end. there were even reports that he only started coming frequently to rehearsals in june - which meant he could not be forced if he didn't want to do something.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
like all the other storeis that normally end up as chinese whispers i take this with a pinch of salt like all the others. joe and allgood were causing mj nothing but stress and no doubt contributed to his sleepness nights
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I think this is a vast overstatement.
 
emmah24 said:
Charismatic, its not as cut and dried as simply pinning all responsibility squarely with Michael. He is indeed an adult who makes decisions for himself and his life, but I dont think anyone chooses to be a drug addict in life. Michael isnt without fault, but its clear that he died at the hands of someone else.

I would suggest you go back and research the long and complicated history of people who have positioned themselves in Michaels life, preyed on his vulnerabilities and manipulated their way into his inner circle and maybe then you'll have an understanding of just what Michael had to live with.
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Actually people do indeed make that choice regardless of the complications in their lives. The difference is how they choose to deal with them.
 
that's the other thing that's bothering me. if this Williams person was the person who cut off that phone call that Michael was placing to the fans, then why should we believe anything he has to say now. he's the person (along with Alvarez) who're asking the LAPD to interview them again, am I right?

it makes more sense that the family had convos with Michael about him and that they want him and the rest of the people in the house investigated.

Trust No One, people.
 
indranee said:
that's the other thing that's bothering me. if this Williams person was the person who cut off that phone call that Michael was placing to the fans, then why should we believe anything he has to say now. he's the person (along with Alvarez) who're asking the LAPD to interview them again, am I right?

it makes more sense that the family had convos with Michael about him and that they want him and the rest of the people in the house investigated.

Trust No One, people.
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I agree. If they had something significant to add to what happened, the police would have long talked with them and they wouldn't require a lawyer.
 
SIDEWALK said:
apart from grace, the kids, the producers of his music, all the people at This Is It rehearsals and his mother. Michael wasn't alone.
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I meant in managing his business and his problems yes he was alone
and what does grace have to do with this?
 
Joe and Leonard Rowe went on LKL talking about how MJ wanted them back on staff so to speak and LK said something about a letter Michael sent to Leonard to tell him to basically stay out of his affairs but Leonard claimed to not receive it. I can't really remember now. Did anyone else see that?

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and Joe did say at LKK when he was there with Rowe that Michael had been consulting him re his arrangements with AEG. in particular, he said Michael told him that he wanted to be paid in British pounds, but AEG said no, USD would be better for him, which Joe disagreed with.

so i guess it meant that Michael was starting to trust Joe again. something like when push comes to shove, Michael knew that his father, rather than those people, would still be the one to have his best interests at heart.
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emmah24 said:
I cant believe 2 things with that scenario, one, that he wanted to tour with the family, and secondly that he'd want his father managing him.

It seems to be common knowledge now that Michael didnt want to do all the o2 dates and was pissed about it, but I think he saw little choice in the matter and just got on with the job in hand. Looking at the pics of the set, Michael, despite being hacked off, was pulling out all the stops creatively to make it the best. The strain of many different pressures on him was just too great in the end. Doesnt help when you have Murray as a doctor either.
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Re the reunion show with his family, there is video footage of Michael leaving the doctor's office and a pap asks him if he's gonna perform with his brothers, to which Michael replied "yes".

I also wouldn't rule out him wanting Joe back on the case. I know Joe has his downside but he is his father and even though we often question his motives, perhaps MJ felt he was the least non-trustworthy person he knew to handle his affairs. I don't know.
 
chocabloc said:
i believe this rumour for one,it goes like this MJ wanted all of the concerts cancelled or rescheduled,having met with joe jackson and leonard rowe to discuss allgoods 1 off reunion concert in earlier months,he was now on better terms with Joe.
MJ was so furious about being duped in to 50 from 10 he fired Frank Dileo on around the 24th/23rd said he was surrounded by hangerson etc and wanted Joe Jackson to be called to the house and take over Franks role for the o2 tour,his aides were against it thus all phones were not working+missing cctv videotapes.
Joe Jackson reportedly arrived starrted banging on the door ,security wouldnt let him through,then Joe jackson made refernce to this when he said he was waving at fans earlier in his press statement.

i posted this in another thread...
one of these stories as to what happened has got to be true,it cant just be a simple heart attack because there is so much conflicting evidence..
heres another possible...
around the end of may start of june Michael decided he wasnt playing ball with AEG anymore and threatened to pull out of all the concerts citing lack of control over his contract,AEG booking a further 40 more on the premise of selling the first 10 out so fast,MIChael complains to fans at reahsal about only wanting to do 10 and waking up to 50,Randy Phillips goes on youtube denying that there were any fans presence at reheasls and he didnt says this its just rumour to which a whole list of rumours are denied including he was suffering from skin cancer,AEG contacted Frank Dileo to try and reason with Michael,around the 20th june to the 24th june Michaels has seriously itchy feet about the whole concerts and how they are being handled by his management DILEO,in a state having met with his father earlier in the last month to talk over the jackson s reunuin one off special that he is reluctant to do,want Joe Jackson to REPLACE DILEO and take over the O2 tour responsibilities as manager,there are numerous reports of Joe jackson not being allowed to get close to his son in the last days even at Michaels request his aides decided it was a bad move as such the phone lines were cut for privacy and to stop MJ from phoning out to get help.
from this point on you could add numerous conclusions to the story
but i would like to hear if Dileo has heard maybe this one story
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If the phone lines were cut then it makes sense as to why Murray had to call 911 from his cellphone - That's not an alibi btw, Murray's as guilty as hell but he's a cover for so many others involved.

Also, it wouldn't suprise me at all if Michael wanted Joe to take over. I know Joe is a pain in the ass and Michael is well aware of Joe's bad business handlings but if he really thought the people around him were trying to poison him/take money/control him then who would you rather have take over?? It's human nature to look to your family in desperate circumstances.
 
Julia55 said:
Also, it wouldn't suprise me at all if Michael wanted Joe to take over. I know Joe is a pain in the ass and Michael is well aware of Joe's bad business handlings but if he really thought the people around him were trying to poison him/take money/control him then who would you rather have take over?? It's human nature to look to your family in desperate circumstances.
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agree.
when you are surrounded by shady people ,you just want to find someone at your best interest to handle things - even though a bad business handler
 
kes1984 said:
Joe and Leonard Rowe went on LKL talking about how MJ wanted them back on staff so to speak and LK said something about a letter Michael sent to Leonard to tell him to basically stay out of his affairs but Leonard claimed to not receive it. I can't really remember now. Did anyone else see that?

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this is the transcript of the letter MJ sent to self-proclaimed legendary promoter Rowe in may, basically telling him to f*ck off :trish:

“I hope you are well. After further consideration, I have decided to streamline my business operations at this time. Accordingly, this is to inform you that you do not represent me and I do not wish to have any oral or written communications with you regarding the handling of my business and/or personal matters. With respect to my touring matters, please feel free to contact Frank Dileo or Randy Philip of AEG.”
 
snowhite said:
this is the transcript of the letter MJ sent to self-proclaimed legendary promoter Rowe in may, basically telling him to f*ck off :trish:

“I hope you are well. After further consideration, I have decided to streamline my business operations at this time. Accordingly, this is to inform you that you do not represent me and I do not wish to have any oral or written communications with you regarding the handling of my business and/or personal matters. With respect to my touring matters, please feel free to contact Frank Dileo or Randy Philip of AEG.”
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Thanks for posting the letter snowwhite.



Tohme was apparently also fired in May. Funny how people are terminated yet claim they never received the termination letters. Are they not sent certified mail so there's proof they were received? Also, I find it strange that a legit company/business like Michaels would draft a letter like this on plain copy paper, you'd think it would be on some kind of official letterhead. Oh well, that's jmo.......

Interesting that in all of this Branca seems to be the only one that got his letter stating he was re-hired.....:huh:
 
According to the timeline I've been pulling together, Michael met with Joe, Leonard, Randy P and Paul (Paul who?) at a Beverly Hills hotel on 15th May to discuss the AEG contract. It was after this meeting that Michael wanted to sack Rowe, and DiLeo sent the letter to Rowe on 20th May.
I don't know if this was the same day that Joe was seen outside Michael's home though.

A letter went to Dr Tohme, giving him the sack, on 5th May.
 
jrsfan said:
Were you there or have you seen a pic? The only pic I have seen is from Paris's birthday party & Joe is with Majestik outside of the home & that is from April.
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there was a video with Joseph, Rowe and Majestik outside of the house
 
slimblonde2 said:
According to the timeline I've been pulling together, Michael met with Joe, Leonard, Randy P and Paul (Paul who?) at a Beverly Hills hotel on 15th May to discuss the AEG contract. It was after this meeting that Michael wanted to sack Rowe, and DiLeo sent the letter to Rowe on 20th May.
I don't know if this was the same day that Joe was seen outside Michael's home though.

A letter went to Dr Tohme, giving him the sack, on 5th May.
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Katherine was there at the Beverly Hills Hotel meeting as well, there are pics of her.
 
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