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Joe Jackson calls for Federal Investigation into Michael's death

mjjfan4ever said:


yea... they are involved.. i saw it on cnn caption on last night.:clapping:
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The investigation is getting down to the real now! The Fed's are involved. And Cnn had a caption about it at bottom of screen. I wonder if the morning news shows will give updates.
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
I think there is a lot going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.

What if Cheryl Lee had never come forward and mentioned the Propofol? Didn't Arnold Klein also mention that he heard Michael was using this drug? What if neither of these had ever mentioned propofol? Would they be blaming Michael for forcing some doctor to give him propofol? Are would they be willing to believe that all he wanted to do was sleep and some doctor, be it Murray or someone else, decided to give him propofol? I mean the truth is, in a court of law, you can't prove a negative? Lee, Murray and others can go in there and say that Michael was the one who came up with the propofol. Michael can't come back from the dead and say, "no I didn't...I just wanted to get some sleep".

The average person, including Michael, would not know about propofol unless someone told them about it. If Michael indeed had a regimen of using propofol to get sleep, SOMEBODY TOLD HIM ABOUT IT. Who was that person?
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everything you say is true....also if they had not of came forward.... they would not of even of thought to look for the propofol.....I dont believe this is something they would of looked for in a home setting death.
 
Agree with someone else who said It has now hit him that Michael is really gone that he is not just off on some concert somewhere.
 
aww, I feel kinda bad for Joe. I know, I know, he can be and was a jerk to Mike, but he's still his dad. :(
 
I really dont care what Joe's motives are but if this gets the ball rolling for an intensive investigation then lots of unexpecting things will come to light. We need to know the truth and If it means draging AEG and Sony down, them I am all for it as they caused the suffering in Michael's life. He had too much stress that is why he couldn't sleep. All those shady persons attached to Michael will be smoked out and we will eventually get some justice for Michael.
It cannot bring Michael back but it will give us some comfort at least.
 
parli123 said:
I really dont care what Joe's motives are but if this gets the ball rolling for an intensive investigation then lots of unexpecting things will come to light.
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Agree :)
question guys, if anyone can answer, appreciate it.
so when FEDs involved, what does it mean? shall we say it's not homicide and they consider it's murder. what's the difference between LAPD involvement and FEDS involvement?
 
didn't Klein introduced mike to propofol? and Mike has used this during the HIStory tour...right?

i could be wrong..i read it somewhere.
 
This is the first time I felt sorry for him.
He finally tells us how he feels about his son's death.
It gave me goosebumps hearing him say that he felt like Michael is just having a good time performing but then it hits him that he's not here anymore.

BTW I'm with him that there is much more to it.
 
amrice said:
didn't Klein introduced mike to propofol? and Mike has used this during the HIStory tour...right?

i could be wrong..i read it somewhere.
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We don't know who introduced MJ to propofol as far as I know. Klein is the one who said he used it during the History tour. He said he slept in the same room as him on LKL in Hawaii & knew he had insomnia. But Klein has behaved like someone who's guilty of something IMO. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the one who suggested propofol, maybe he ordered it for Murray - at this point we don't know but I bet LAPD do.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0907/08/lkl.01.html

Here is where Klein talks about diprivan:

KING: OK, now let me just -- I never get personal, but I had cataract surgery. They knock you out for a little while. You wake up and suddenly it's gone and you feel fine. And they gave me Diprivan to knock me out.

KLEIN: It's a wonderful drug when used correctly.

KING: It is. And it's used by anesthesiologists.

KLEIN: Right, because it's a very short-acting drug. It's very -- metabolized very quickly.

KING: And you go to sleep.

KLEIN: You go to sleep and it's gotten rid of from the body very quickly. But you...

KING: What would it be doing in someone's house?

KLEIN: I have no idea. And that's what doesn't make sense to me. And it's like anything, I mean, it's the danger of all these substances that are available that people can get, because the very rich and the very poor, the very -- well, the rich and the famous can buy anything they want to buy.

KING: Yes, but how would you buy Diprivan?

KLEIN: Well, you can get it from an anesthesiologist.

KING: But he'd have to come to your house?

Would you do it in your house?

KLEIN: No, certainly not, unless you have an anesthesiologist administering it to you.

There are certain things that you have to not do. And the one thing you have to know is what you're doing with medication. And medicine isn't something casual. I mean I developed, you know, certain things in my life -- not a lot, but the way -- the sites that use botox on certain injectable fillers. And I mean that's my life. And I mean the big thing that I see is you see so many people giving botox parties and things like this. And this makes no sense because this is just medicine.

KING: I don't talk about that.

All right, did Michael tell you he used Diprivan?

KLEIN: I knew at one point that he was using Diprivan when he was on tour in Germany. And so he was using it, with an anesthesiologist, to go to sleep at night. And I told him he was absolutely insane. I said you have to understand that this drug, you can't repeatedly take. Because what happens with narcotics, no matter what you do, you build a tolerance to them.

KING: How could a reasonable anesthesiologist give that to someone other than prior to surgery?

KLEIN: Because I have to tell you, there are certain people in this world who are not reasonable. You know, integrity in medicine does (INAUDIBLE)...

KING: Wouldn't you lose a license if you were giving it for other than?

KLEIN: Anesthesiology?

I mean people have used everything for everything. But there are so many -- I mean let's not -- don't get me into the topic of integrity in medicine now, because, I mean, that's what's happening in the FDA and all the recommendations of drugs. So that's not a...

KING: Are you surprised that Diprivan was found in his home, supposedly?

KLEIN: I am very shocked by it. But I have to tell you that it's not something that would be unheard of because I told him that this drug was very dangerous to use on a regular basis.

KING: And what did he say when you told him?

KLEIN: Well, he listened to me. But you can't...

KING: And?

KLEIN: Well, you can't...

KING: You can't force him.

KLEIN: ...be absolutely sure that you're enforcing it. I spent half -- I spent half a year living with heroin addicts and writing a book about my experiences when I was in medical school, when I went to England after the death of my father and brother.

And what I learned from experience is you couldn't really ever be assured that you're getting honest information from someone who is an addict.

KING: Yes. Because they lie.

KLEIN: Well, they lie, because they want to procure medication.

KING: Did you ever see any I.V. type equipment in his house? KLEIN: Never.

KING: Did you ever see Diprivan in his home?

Did you ever see it anywhere...

KLEIN: No.

KING: ...associated with him?

KLEIN: I mean I never did. And I also told him specifically the dangers of the Diprivan -- the dangers of it being used by someone who is not an anesthesiologist or someone very (INAUDIBLE).

KING: Did he have an insomnia problem?

KLEIN: Not that I knew of, except that once we went on tour with him. We were in Hawaii. He couldn't get to sleep. So the whole -- me and my whole office went to sleep in the room with him.

So I never knew that he had a problem with sleep until this whole tour came up or basically this problem with sleep at that time. I did know that he did certain, you know, local anesthesia. But this is not something we discussed repeatedly, except I just got shocked. He assured me he had stopped.

KING: And he never asked you to administer it, did he?

KLEIN: No. I mean...

KING: And you wouldn't, I guess? That's an...

KLEIN: It's not what I do.

KING: No, I know.

KLEIN: I'm a doctor. I'm a dermatologist. I'm not going to be (INAUDIBLE)...

KING: There are at least five doctors reportedly now under investigation.

Does that -- have you been contacted by any authorities, police or anyone?
 
AllTheLovelyFlowers said:
The average person, including Michael, would not know about propofol unless someone told them about it. If Michael indeed had a regimen of using propofol to get sleep, SOMEBODY TOLD HIM ABOUT IT. Who was that person?
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he maybe was given it when he had operations tho
 
parli123 said:
I really dont care what Joe's motives are but if this gets the ball rolling for an intensive investigation then lots of unexpecting things will come to light. We need to know the truth and If it means draging AEG and Sony down, them I am all for it as they caused the suffering in Michael's life. He had too much stress that is why he couldn't sleep. All those shady persons attached to Michael will be smoked out and we will eventually get some justice for Michael.
It cannot bring Michael back but it will give us some comfort at least.
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100% agree with you.
 
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