Jacksons on Regis and Kelly

lol MJ may have Forgiven his father but he never FORGOT and that is two separate things! If Striping a child down nude and rubbing oil on them & "whipping" them isn't abuse? What is?!

MJ was not a stupid man if he said he was abuse then he was abused! The brothers need to speak for themselves and leave MJ out of it!

PEACE!
 
I remember when Joe, Katherine and Jermaine did a live (?) interview on tv ; it was a disaster!!lol. Katherine was telling Joe constantly to shut-up and they so didn't care that millions were watching.lol. That family can't help but be real. They are out-spoken and true to their self regardless of the camera.

Yeah, I remember that. Katherine told Joe to shut up when they asked if people were going after Mike for a reason. She knew Joe was going to say its because Mike is black and he did.

That's the same interview in which Joe said "I made no mistakes in raising those kids." Katherine was like "shhhh, Joe, you don't know that. Don't say that."
 
lol MJ may have Forgiven his father but he never FORGOT and that is two separate things! If Striping a child down nude and rubbing oil on them & "whipping" them isn't abuse? What is?!

MJ was not a stupid man if he said he was abuse then he was abused! The brothers need to speak for themselves and leave MJ out of it!

PEACE!

They were ASKED, i'm sure NONE of them want to talk about that

once again it depends on the time, even back them that was abuse but he was a strict parent and he was raising them the way he knew. it obviously didn't bother katherine enough to leave joe.it was horrible but it was 40 years ago...what are gonna do
 
They were ASKED, i'm sure NONE of them want to talk about that

once again it depends on the time, even back them that was abuse but he was a strict parent and he was raising them the way he knew. it obviously didn't bother katherine enough to leave joe.it was horrible but it was 40 years ago...what are gonna do

I respect your opinion, but as I said in my earlier post, they could have said 'no comment' or 'I don't want to talk about it.'

IMO, the things I've mentioned in that post are abuse at any time, in any decade. They are definitely not spankings. But I do agree that he was raising them in the way he knew how to. I think Mike alluded to it and Joe's upbringing in his Oxford speech. We know there are parents who have been beaten as kids and go on to beat their kids.
 
I enjoyed the interview, and at first i wasnt sure if i were going to see thier reality show. But after this interview i think i just might.
 
I 100% agree. Some fans act like their love and concern for Michael is greater than his father's but I find that quite disrespectful. If there's one thing I know, its that Michael would not want ANY fan of his to hate or badmouth his Father, no matter what. It's not our place. Michael was Joe and Katherine's son, their flesh and blood, BEFORE he was Michael Jackson.

THANK YOU!!!!! :clap:
 
Is it me or they are not very articulate? They very seldom answered the questions. Especially Jermaine, he tends to rely too much on prepared statement. MJ used to do a similar thing (re: the Oprah interview for example)
Marlon saying he understands why Joe was very strict and no abuse took place. Again makes MJ looks like a whiner and at worst, a liar (Today Show)

but for some reason I still believe MJ over anything anyone else says

i always believe MJ.

as far as being inarticulate..they all were sheltered by success...and being in a different world..i guess i can understand being inarticulate. i can certainly understand them not wanting to do a lot of interviews. and quite frankly, i don't think being articulate is necessarily a talent. lol. in fact, i find some charm in being inarticulate. lol

on another note...(not refering to you) i wish some fans would not tell other fans that they know what Michael would and would not want.
 
IMHO....I think Michael may have forgiven Joe in his head but ....not in his heart...these are two completely different types of forgiveness.....Which is why in that Oxford speech he could say yes I forgive my father...because in his head he did but he knew in his heart he never could.
 
I find MJ's story to be the ultimate martyr. I cannot believe anyone can honestly wasn't abusive. Look at MJ both physically and mentally how he transformed himself. Do u all think he did all these because he felt good about himelf? He was in constant battle against himself and what he perceived himself.
Anyway, I am over this discussion. I will go on believing MJ was an abused soul
 
I believe MJ was more touched by Joe's emotional abuse moreso than his disciplinarian ways. I side with the brothers on this Joe argument.
 
I find MJ's story to be the ultimate martyr. I cannot believe anyone can honestly wasn't abusive. Look at MJ both physically and mentally how he transformed himself. Do u all think he did all these because he felt good about himelf? He was in constant battle against himself and what he perceived himself.
Anyway, I am over this discussion. I will go on believing MJ was an abused soul

i don't know if 'transforming himself' is necessarily something people do, because of abuse. it may be one thing..but, if you are referring to plastic surgery, some get it just because they don't feel good about themselves....or, to get a job...or..many things...

i don't believe MJ got all the extensive surgery people think he got. he got a little but not the massive stuff that people seem to think. he said he went on a special diet. and, then, people see the effects of vitiligo, and suddenly they think MJ went to extreme measures. but i don't think he did. if anything, his later years look mostly like his earlier years, with the exception of the vitiligo. he did an interview where someone asked him if he didn't like what he saw when he looked in a mirror, and MJ asked..'in what way?' and that's a cool response...it's as if everybody automatically thinks of the outside, but MJ. he might be thinking about the inside.
 
I think abuse depends on the child. For one child spanking may be considered torture, for another it is no big deal. We were spanked all the time growing (It was 6 of us and we were very active). We would get spankings til we had welts on our arms and legs. I don't think it was abuse. However, it didn't always work. So my mother would start taking things away, like the TV or our art supplies and books.

Now having to sit in a room while you hear your bros and sisters really enjoying something on TV is terrible. That is abuse to me. Just a different kind. For someone as sensitive, though, as Michael seemed to be, the whippings probably scarred him in a way it would not have to the other familiy members.

So the abuse may not be the whippings, but not knowing your children enough to know how to discipline them to the proper degree and not knowing how to temper the beatings with affection. For MJ, a stern talking to would probably have been enough.

Regardless, I will watch at least the first episode.

I got the belt, switches, etc. The problem is that many parents back in those times didn't know when to say when. Spanking itself is not necessarily abuse. But many people may disagree. I was disappointed that yet again Janet, followed by Marlon on R&K defended their father's actions. I DO BELIEVE Michael when he says his father was abusive. If all Joe did was give him a stern talking to, none of us would be sitting here talking about it today. We don't really know the level or type of physical, emotional and psychological abuse Joe Jackson inflicted upon his children. It was much more than just being a strict disciplinarian. Whatever occurred affected Michael's entire adulthood. I just really wish that for once, someone in the family would stand up for Michael. They didn't do so in life, why not do so now?
 
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