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Invincible was not only better than Off the Wall, but well deserving of it's "Album of the Decade" award, people need to acknowledge how GREAT it was

Blues_Away2023 said:
Haven't you noticed that it's the same individuals constantly trying to big up Invincible and how it's the best thing ever created blah blah
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You're right,and by this point it seems like trolling for the sake of it more than just so-called appreciation for Michael's "forgotten masterpiece" or whatever..
Blues_Away2023 said:
I have no problem with people enjoying the album (so do I) but claiming that it's better than legit legendary songs earlier in Michael's career is comical.
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Indeed!
 
Hot_Street said:
I'm not talking about the vocal ability
it's about the experience that comes with age
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You mean maturity that comes with age and what the song would mean? It's more relatable to a 43 year old Michael rather than OTW era?

My argument to that is that a child Michael Jackson could emote better than most adults could and really make you believe what he was singing as a child.
 
Hot_Street said:
between 1979 and 2001 Michael got better with using his voice, that's called experience
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Yeah,so?
He also damaged it terribly by recording impressively taxing records like "Dirty Diana" or "Earth Song" and by touring extensively during the "Bad" era,so what conclusion is there to be reached,really?
How are you so sure that a young,fresh and vocally sharp and clean OTW Michael Jackson couldn't have recorded "Whatever Happens" the way that the vocally damaged and rather weak Vince Mike did?What vocal tehnique was there in "Whatever Happens" that Michael may have never really used previously? How is "Whatever Happens" really that different from a song like "Ben","One day in your life" or "She's out of my life"?
(Or am I not getting something and missing the point of the discussion? Or is it the case that I don't really know what I am talking about? If so,please tell me.)
 
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PurpleThriller said:
How are you so sure that a young,fresh and vocally sharp and clean OTW Michael Jackson couldn't have recorded "Whatever Happens" the way that the vocally damaged and rather weak Vince Mike did?
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the OTW-MJ could, if he had listened to the song on Invincible
but if he had only listened to the writers demo, I'm not so sure... it would've sounded different
between OTW and Invincible there are 2 decades of experience
 
Hot_Street said:
the OTW-MJ could, if he had listened to the song on Invincible
but if he had only listened to the writers demo, I'm not so sure... it would've sounded different
between OTW and Invincible there are 2 decades of experience
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I see your point,but is there really any vocal tehnique present on "Whatever Happens" that he has never/rarely used before,from an objective point of view?
A tehnique that he didn't use while recording ballads earlier in his career,like "Ben","One day in your life" or "Shes out of my life"?
(That's what I am asking)
 
PurpleThriller said:
I see your point,but is there really any vocal tehnique present on "Whatever Happens" that he has never/rarely used before,from an objective point of view?
A tehnique that he didn't use while recording ballads earlier in his career,like "Ben","One day in your life" or "Shes out of my life"?
(That's what I am asking)
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it's all about putting emphasis on lyrics
at age 40 you have a different view than a 20 year old
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Haven't you noticed that it's the same individuals constantly trying to big up Invincible and how it's the best thing ever created blah blah

I have no problem with people enjoying the album (so do I) but claiming that it's better than legit legendary songs earlier in Michael's career is comical.
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not really comical lol, coming from someone who has invincible as their favorite album ever i'd agree with that take
 
Hot_Street said:
it's all about putting emphasis on lyrics
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He had mastered that already since he knew himself though,as the recordings of "Never can say goodbye" and "One day in your life" prove..(and there we have a 12 year old and,respectively,a 16/17 year old Michael Jackson singing,mind you).
Hot_Street said:
at age 40 you have a different view than a 20 year old
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But that's generally true,I'll admit.
 
PurpleThriller said:
He had mastered that already since he knew himself though,as the recordings of "Never can say goodbye" and "One day in your life" prove..(and there we have a 12 year old and,respectively,a 16/17 year old Michael Jackson singing,mind you).
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I guess at that age he was told how to sing, where to put emphasis on
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
You mean maturity that comes with age and what the song would mean? It's more relatable to a 43 year old Michael rather than OTW era?

My argument to that is that a child Michael Jackson could emote better than most adults could and really make you believe what he was singing as a child.
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I genuinely don't think there's been anyone as gifted and multi-talented as Michael Jackson ever. Even us fans are amazed at stuff he did almost effortlessly
 
PurpleThriller said:
Vocals from Invincible beat the vocals from Off The Wall?
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imagine OTW-Mike and Invincible-Mike in one room, each of them singing and performing both albums in front of you:
pretty sure Invincible-Mike would destroy the other one.
 
DanGerouS- said:
imagine OTW-Mike and Invincible-Mike in one room, each of them singing and performing both albums in front of you:
pretty sure Invincible-Mike would destroy the other one.
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Off The Wall Mike would have sung live. The other one would Milli Vanilli it. 🤣
 
It's his worst received album for a reason.

Sub par songs
Sub par production
Poor song selection and sequencing
Songs barely sound like MJ songs

It's a good album, but it gets the treatment it does for a reason.

Off The Wall is almost universally loved and received. It has a couple of ths biggest hits of all time. Laid the ground work for the biggest selling albums in history which changed music/the world.

Last but not least... MJ didn't even think the album was worth promoting himself, opting to sing BOW, Dangerous and HTW at award shows/appearances between 2001/2002 instead of ONE Invincible track.

Also, MJ getting song credits on songs he didnt contribute a word to (Whatever Happens) is really crappy.

The outtakes are far better than the final songs.
 
innuendo141 said:
It's his worst received album for a reason.

Sub par songs
Sub par production
Poor song selection and sequencing
Songs barely sound like MJ songs

It's a good album, but it gets the treatment it does for a reason.

Off The Wall is almost universally loved and received. It has a couple of ths biggest hits of all time. Laid the ground work for the biggest selling albums in history which changed music/the world.

Last but not least... MJ didn't even think the album was worth promoting himself, opting to sing BOW, Dangerous and HTW at award shows/appearances between 2001/2002 instead of ONE Invincible track.

Also, MJ getting song credits on songs he didnt contribute a word to (Whatever Happens) is really crappy.

The outtakes are far better than the final songs.
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Invincible is Michael's greatest album, he said so himself 😴

Ps, you're gonna break a few hearts with your post btw. We keep hearing that it's so much better than his other albums combined.

2000 watts and Privacy shit all over Billie Jean, Man in the mirror and if you don't love me.
 
DanGerouS- said:
imagine OTW-Mike and Invincible-Mike in one room, each of them singing and performing both albums in front of you:
pretty sure Invincible-Mike would destroy the other one.
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Hm.
Pretty interesting take,so let's bring it to life,shall we?
Let's compare the September 10th (the better one out of the two,I suppose) performance of "You Rock My World" (the live parts of it,of course) to a 1979,"fresh out of the studio", performance of "Rock With You",coming from the "Destiny" tour.
(I've chosen a live enviroment in both cases since anyone can go into the studio and record some music;the live performances are the real test,in my view at least.)
So,how would a 2001 Michael Jackson "destroy" a 1979 Michael Jackson in this case,if you do not mind me asking?
 
Blues_Away2023 said:
Haven't you noticed that it's the same individuals constantly trying to big up Invincible and how it's the best thing ever created blah blah

I have no problem with people enjoying the album (so do I) but claiming that it's better than legit legendary songs earlier in Michael's career is comical.
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So because people have a different opinion than you about those songs, it's comical? How immature
 
some fans seem to be blind regarding the quality of Invincible
they only look for sales numbers, chart positions, short films and performances
just give music a chance
 
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Hot_Street said:
some fans seem to be blind regarding the quality of Invincible
they only look for sales numbers, chart positions, short films and performances
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What should they look for? How many threads exist about how its "underrated"?

The above do not make a great album, sure. But they are an indicator of how the general public received it. It was far below the quality of his previous albums.
 
innuendo141 said:
What should they look for? How many threads exist about how its "underrated"?

The above do not make a great album, sure. But they are an indicator of how the general public received it. It was far below the quality of his previous albums.
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the general public doesn't even know it exists
not Michaels fault
 
Hot_Street said:
some fans seem to be blind regarding the quality of Invincible
they only look for sales numbers, chart positions, short films and performances
just give music a chance
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Nothing blind about it , I think it's easy enough to differentiate between quality and what's bang average.

Invincible is bang average compared to his previous legendary works.
 
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