Interesting story about the shows from the "inside"

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This from KOP board, posted by MRfuture, I cant say if it is 100% true, but what the guy says make alot of sense. I always felt the shows were being rushed, they should have announced the shows at least one month earlier for preparations and stuff.... NOTHING was ready, and they were supposed to leave for London in 8 days. I cant even begin to understand the pressure that was on Michael....

http://www.mjj2005.com/kopboard/ind...pid=1229658&mode=threaded&start=#entry1229658

Yeasterday I had the amazing chance to speak to someone who worked on This Is It. This person has worked with Michael in the past, I've seen him before on TV close to Michael, and I also saw him in the movie and his name appears at the end. He is here in Miami on vacation with family and a good friend of mine knows him. I begged him to let me meet him and he was the sweetest person, and he loved Michael.

He gave me the ok to share with you what he told me, however with the condition that I would name provide his name. He is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert. As he told me "hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say."

However, at the same time he told me to "share with fans what I said, because it is important that some things are known."

He has great respect and admiration for Michael and has known him for over 20 years.

Here's the most important things he told me:


- Michael has always been a very sweet, humble person, since the first time they met 20 years ago, however he noticed that during these reharsals, he looked even more humble than usual, to the point that he actually felt Michael was incredibly insecure this time around, he saw him very vulnerable and everyone automatically tried to make him feel ok, everyone wanted to bring the spark in him that old Michael Jackson had. According to this person a combination of the 2005 trial and the long absence from the spotlight made Michael feel very insecure.

-Michael did not get along at all with Randy Phillips. Everyone knew it, even Phillips knew it. Phillips had a very arrogant way of dealing with Michael, he was terrified that Michael would not get ready for the shows and AEG would lose a lot of money. According to this person, Phillips made it clear to several people that these concerts had to happen, no matter what, because he "had to personally convince everyone at AEG that this was a good deal" therefore his job was at risk if anything went wrong. On many occasions Phillips would go to Michael's house with Ortega and Travis Payne whenever Michael would not show up. At times they would come back with him, at times no. The official explanations to the crew was "Michael is not feeling well today," "Michael reharsed at home" or "Michael is reharsing with his vocal coach."
At first the crew believed it, but after a few weeks everyone started realizing something was up because even though Ortega and Payne would say everything was fine, it was obvious that they were very frustrated and nervous, and there were several heated discussions between Ortega, Phillips and Payne, but what exactly was being discussed was not clear since they always ade sure they would be far enough for anyone to hear. During these conversations one of them would always be on a cellphone, and then the would pass it aroud to themselves. This person believes they were talking to Michael.

-Michael, and this is shown in the movie, did not want to wear the ear monitors. As this person told me, "look at any footage from Michael in concerts in the past, and you will never find him wearing ear monitors, he did not like them, did not need them." According to him, Ortega got upset at one time at Michael, and in front of everyone told him "you have to undrstand that here you do not have an option, you have to wear them, this is going to be a closed arena, not an open stadium, and the sound is different." He said his tone was very nasty and everyone was shocked, especially since Michael looked very upset, but mostly hurt, by it.
Interestingly, yesterday Karen Faye wrote on her facebook that Michael always complained to her that he did not like ear monitors, and asked her to tell Ortega. According to her, she did and Ortega told her "well, he has to wear them!"

-This is very interesting. According to this person, there was absolutely no way the concert was going to be ready for opening night on July 13th, and everyone kenw it. He asked me the following "when you saw the movie, you do realize right that they had to show the best scenes, the best performances, right ?" I said "yes, of course" to which he replied "so do you realize that what you have seen, most of it came from June 24th, 23rd and 22nd ? Based on what you saw, did it feel as if everything was going to be ready in 2 weeks ?" He said that Michael did not have his clothes ready, and that there was "pathetic" @#$%$ing around from different stylists that were trying to come up with ideas. But nothing was ready, no clothes, not even for the dancers. Michael wanted Michael Bush, but Travis Payne brought in that Zaldy guy, and AEG was behind Zaldy, rather than Michael Bush.
The opening number for the concert was only done on the computer, just like we saw in the movie. It was never reharsed, and the robot that Michael would have come out from was not ever ready. Also the closing of the show was just a concept.
He also confirmed that they never had a full reharsal. In other words, they never practiced the whole concert, it would always be a few songs on several days, but it was never put all together, therefore they were laso very concerned that once everything was gonna put together, it would take much longer that the 2 hours orgnally planned. This was going to be a huge problem for AEG and the O2 arena, because of an agreement they had with time. Also, Michael did not want to have long shows, for obvious reasons.
Also, they never reharsed with implementing the videos for Smooth, Thriller and Earth as we saw in the movie, those were edited in the movie, but they never reharsed using them, and it was still unclear how they would be used with the songs, especially Smooth Criminal.

-For the most part, Michael looked well, however this person did unfortunately confirm to me that there were days that something was "wrong" and everybody knew it. He worked with Michael in the past and Michael never wore sunglasses while reharsing the dark like that, especially since Michael in the past would always want to see how the lights looked and for that reason did not like using shades. But he said "don't expect them to talk about it on tv of course, same with me, I won't and I can't." He said that at first everybody thought Michael was just eccentric and stuff, especially the dancers, they were just excited to see him, but he said for those who knew him for many years, including him, started realizing alarming signs.
However, he said, this just shows how vulnerable Michael was and he does not like how people associate this behavior with something negative. He said "he went through so much poor thing, I perfectly understand why this was happening." Oh and btw, he said that some of the crew members started checking TMZ with their IPHONES to find out whether or not Michael had seen Dr. Klein during the day. It would usually warn them on what to expect when he showed up.

-Michael had fun when performing, it appeared as if it was what he needed, however off stage Michael did no look happy, he rarely interacted with the crew, other than Karen Faye and at times with Michael Bush. According to this person, Michael stayed as far as he could from Ortega, Payne and Phillips off stage, because he always felt he was being chased by them to do more, perform more and give more. He said that the crew in general felt Ortega was being too demanding, especially when it was obvious nothing was ready on time. But they mostly felt Ortega was being pressured by Phillips, and that it was Phillips who was just going crazy because was in a position of losing everything with these shows.

-The day after the news came out that some fans claimed Michael told them he did not want to do 50 concerts, everyone was instructed not to talk to anybody from the media, not to let in anyone who was not authorized to attend reahrsals, especially fans. When Michael came in that day, the atmosphere was tense and he did not look happy at all. Before working that day, Phillips and Ortega met with Michael and, interestingly, with his bodyguards. They spoke for about 20 minutes, but once again this person could not hear what was being said. However everyone had the feeling Michael indeed did not want to do 50 shows and believed Michael did talk to those fans.


This is pretty much it. This guy said that it is a shame that Michael died while being extremely stressed out. He said that a lot of pressure was put on Michael, but the truth is that the concerts were not going to be ready not because of him, but because the there was simply not enough time to acocmplish all they had planned. He said he is sure Michael would have been 100% ready by July 13th, because "he did those songs hundreds of times before during his career, he knew exaclty what to do" but everything else around was not ready.
He also says he personally felt Michael sometimes did not show up because he knew things were moving slowly and sort of felt disappointed. He was a perfectionist, and when things were obviosuly not going in the right direction, he would get frustrated and sort of lose interest, instead of becoming upset at someone. Yet they made him believe it was him, that things were moving slowly because of him. But this person told me that Michael had nothing to do with all the technical stuff, like lightings, fireworks etc, therefore it was not his fault, but he was the easy target.

According to him, if the concerts were not goint to be ready, it would have been easier for AEG to blame it on Michael, than blame themsleves and their lack of timing skills.

Once again, do not ask me for his name, I will never tell, not even via PM. He was brutally honest with me and I will honor his request.

A lot of things make sense now, especially the concerts not being ready based on what we saw in the movie. No way in two weeks they were going to be ready. Also, he said, don't forget that a lot of days would have been lost during the move to London and setting up the stage there and get adjusted to the arena.


This is very sad, especially to think that Michael was somehow made feel responsible for this.
 
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Thanks for posting this article :)

I dont really know what to make of it. I don't know wether to believe it because some parts seem logical and others are the usual tabloid stuff. To go with that, it seems like whenever something bad came up about Michael, he and everybody else knew it. Makes me feel like hes covering up by saying how obvious it was...

Anyway Ill wait and read some other opinions :popcorn:
 
i believe this guy
after seeing TTI i felt nothing was ready. i was expecting a costume full rehearsal and they showed absolutely raw material. i dont believe that what he was wearing for the rehearsal were his real costumes. it's simply not possible. they never showed one single ready costume. just drawings. i agree that Michael looked really humble. and i would add that i felt from the movie that he was nervous. you cannot hide it.

it's terrible to know how ortega threated Michael. or phillips. liars.
i would understand the choice of Michael Bush, i once spoke to him - he is a very kind and amazing person. plus he always was amazing during HIStory tour on stage and they communicated really well.

will we ever hear the truth about how they killed him and why? :(
 
And this is the reason why I won't pay for this movie...

But yeah, some Fans will believe in what they want to believe.

Thanks for this post..
 
I am not sure what to think. It makes me wonder if someone who still "is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert" would publicly talk this way ... chances are that someone will find out who this person is when "his name appears at the end [of the movie]". Would someone really risk this if ""hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say""?? Not so sure yet ... :scratch:
 
i believe this guy
after seeing TTI i felt nothing was ready. i was expecting a costume full rehearsal and they showed absolutely raw material. i dont believe that what he was wearing for the rehearsal were his real costumes. it's simply not possible. they never showed one single ready costume. just drawings. i agree that Michael looked really humble. and i would add that i felt from the movie that he was nervous. you cannot hide it.

it's terrible to know how ortega threated Michael. or phillips. liars.
i would understand the choice of Michael Bush, i once spoke to him - he is a very kind and amazing person. plus he always was amazing during HIStory tour on stage and they communicated really well.

will we ever hear the truth about how they killed him and why? :(
True. I felt that watching the movie too.:(
I'm surprised they let that earphone thing in...the 'fist' was funny though, but the way he said that just was so helpless, he really was frustrated! You could just read it on his face, and that same expression I saw a couple of other times.
Wonder why Kenny Ortega was talking to Michael a lot in that strange, pleeeaaaseee-type of way....as if Michael otherwise could've dropped the mic and ran out there.:scratch:
 
I'm not sure what to think about this. There's so much conflicting information guys... I mean the idea that he didn't want to do the 50 shows, I don't know if I can believe that. It was his idea to do the shows, it was his idea to do the world tour afterwards and everything. Michael wanted to break more records and come out grandly again.

I can believe that there was a hell of a lot of pressure on him though, and that he might indeed have been very frustrated and began focusing on other things as a result. Our Mike is only human.
 
Well, from the beginning I thought that the time frame from the planning to the actual show opening in London was pretty short. I have been working for an event management company so I know how time consuming this all is ... :timer:
 
Yazman, the world tour storys has only been spread by AEG people. Not the most credibole bunch.
 
After seeing TTI I also felt nothing was ready. MJ was the only one who was ready because he knew all his songs and movies. Im pretty sure he was killed I believe in justice lets hope we will see it soon.
 
I don't know what to think anymore.
After i saw the movie on 28th, i was thinking like that:
Wow, he had amazing voice, the dancing was great, but how could he finish rehearsals in 18 days? I told my mum that he always announced the tour more than 1 year earlier, this time it was only 3 months! While he was great, it was obvious that the show could not be finished in 18 days. Look at Billie Jean... And Earth song... they even didn't rehears with that crane... I imagine that MJ was under severe stress, which can also cause anxiety and we all know that MJ had anxiety. Severe stress and anxiety are perfect combination for sleep disturbance...
I'm really sad now... and confused... i don't know what to beleive... But if this "article" is true, then MJ died because of the tour...
 
I think "anonymous" source stories should go in the tabloid section as there is no way to tell if this is real or fiction. Whether something in the story seems plausible or not is irrelevent. Anonymous source, no subtantiation, no verification = tabloid.
 
All this BS about the movie being "for the fans", well maybe it will satisfy a certain demographic, but I've said all along I think this is a propaganda movie designed to protect AEG's image and recoup their losses. I'm not going to bother seeing it.
 
I am not sure what to think. It makes me wonder if someone who still "is under contract with AEG/Sony and is only allowed to officially talk good about the movie and the concert" would publicly talk this way ... chances are that someone will find out who this person is when "his name appears at the end [of the movie]". Would someone really risk this if ""hey, I also gotta pay my bills, so I have to do what they say""?? Not so sure yet ... :scratch:



Do you know how many people worked on the set? AEG will never find out. Also remember all negative things about Mike were not to be shown so maybe this person is right.If good is all you see then good is all you will believe. I believe TINI were on to something or somebody but the forces surrounding mike were too strong to let them in and help mike.
 
If this is true, sooner or later there will be someone at least to confirm it. There were many people around, it is impossible to hide forever what happened.
I am sure truth will come out one day, I just have to have patience.
 
I think "anonymous" source stories should go in the tabloid section as there is no way to tell if this is real or fiction. Whether something in the story seems plausible or not is irrelevent. Anonymous source, no subtantiation, no verification = tabloid.

That is one of the most plausible, logical stories about MJ I have ever read. If you have seen the movie, you'll know that many things are true.
 
I think "anonymous" source stories should go in the tabloid section as there is no way to tell if this is real or fiction. Whether something in the story seems plausible or not is irrelevent. Anonymous source, no subtantiation, no verification = tabloid.



First of all the person can not reveal the name so it is not tabloid none of this is tabloid/ All one has to do is look beyond the veil of the film and see what's really going on. When i watched the movie , i watched it with a third eye and mike was getting pissed quite often when things wasn't flowing correctly. Hell even Michael Bearden said in the Ebony tribute magazine that mike was not a ZEN and he wanted results quickly.
 
I think "anonymous" source stories should go in the tabloid section as there is no way to tell if this is real or fiction. Whether something in the story seems plausible or not is irrelevent. Anonymous source, no subtantiation, no verification = tabloid.

You're right. There is no official substantiation for this, i.e. no name attached. But yet, it's not a tabloid, either. It has not been "published," and no one was paid for it. If the person goes to the police with this information, then it will be classified as "evidence." If it soon appears in a tabloid, then it's not necessarily credible and will be considered "a tabloid."

In this case, "anonymous source" may not equal tabloid at all. Everyone connected with TII signed a confidentiality agreement, and their future employment in the entertainment industry is linked to that. It remains to be seen what the person will do with this material, right?

I saw the movie. Michael was truly a genius. It was heart-wrenching to watch, but I'm glad I saw the master at work, one, last, time.
 
Watching TII, you could tell Michael was itching to get out there.
He sang his ass off when he was not supposed to.
His voice was IMPECCABLE! Yep! The King of Pop can really sang...
the niffty footwork in Billie Jean blows you off the park
and the crotch grabbing is refreshing.
His new found swagger is infectious and there's just something very cool with him. He never looked better since Invincible.
Camera pans from Rita Hayworth ..then bam! without warning to Michael in full Smooth Criminal garb and man! HE is HOT!!! SMOKIN' MOLTEN HOT!
girl is melting...
Yes! Michael is 98.88% so so ready, if the rest weren't,
it's not his freaking fault!
 
If this is true, sooner or later there will be someone at least to confirm it. There were many people around, it is impossible to hide forever what happened.
I am sure truth will come out one day, I just have to have patience.
This account completely corroberates Karen Faye's posting on her FB so in effect this has confirmed it IMO.
 
First of all the person can not reveal the name so it is not tabloid none of this is tabloid/ All one has to do is look beyond the veil of the film and see what's really going on. When i watched the movie , i watched it with a third eye and mike was getting pissed quite often when things wasn't flowing correctly. Hell even Michael Bearden said in the Ebony tribute magazine that mike was not a ZEN and he wanted results quickly.


I could just as easily make up a story quite similar to this and post it even though I had nothing to do with the show. So, I think we all need to take anonymous stories with a grain of salt. May be true, may not be true. There is no way to tell one way or another, because it cannot be verified. Perhaps tabloid was too harsh of a word, but they always make up a good reason why they can't reveal the identities of their sources too.

And I'm not saying the story isn't plausible. In fact, I can't imagine a group of people, Michael included, working on a huge project like this without getting angry with each other and having arguments. Of course Michael got upset! I am sure he was impatient. Michael was a human being, not a saint, not an angel, he was a very talented man, emphasis on man, not a god. I can also see him not wanting to go to rehersal if he had to spend time waiting around for things that weren't ready. I think that would have driven him nuts.Totally believable that he would have decided not to go if he felt like he was wasting his time. Totally believable about Randy Phillips; he doesn't seem very likeable to me either. Lots of things in the story make sense, but some of them don't. Obviously some things, were going to be finalized in London. Like the bulldozer thing. Why would you do that twice?

But, even though I think some of these things sound reasonable, it doesn't make this story true and since the source is anonymous, we can't verify it, so we can't know if it is true or not. That's all I'm saying.
 
I too was wondering about the space of time between the announcement and the shows. When Michael announced the shows in March, I remembered thinking, "Well, they must have started rehearsing already, or they will start rehearsals right away." Then, it seemed like over a month before we heard anything about auditions or rehearsals starting, if I remember correctly.

I just don't know what to think. A movie can be easily edited to show only the positive, and Ortega said himself that there would be no negativity in the film. I'm not saying that Michael didn't want to do these shows, but how much crap went on behind the scenes that we may never know about? :(
 
I can believe every single thing this person says, and also see the other side and whole picture.

I love me some MJ, but also understand Phillips had to be under the gun with his employers. He had proposed a budget for one amount and it had tripled!

From his standpoint, this show had to happen.

From Michael's standpoint, this show had to happen. He had pressing reasons for commiting to it in the first place.

But I think EVERYONE overreached.

The announcement made back in March and start date planned could have been met IF the scale had remained what it was initially projected to be. But it ballooned into this fantastical spectacular that seriously changed the gameplan for all involved.

I have no doubt everyone felt the overwhelming pressure as the date grew closer.

I have no doubt that after everything Michael had been put through with the trial, starting with Martin Bashir's despicable malicious documentary and betrayal that led up to it, that his core was forever damaged and unsure.

I have no doubt that TII reflects the positives versus negatives.
But quite frankly, I don't care. Michael is gone. I will forever miss him and TII has given me comfort in seeing him doing his thing, even catching him smiling doing it.

I'm going to see it for the 2nd time today, and will see it a third before it comes out on DVD. This is all I have now of his last performance and I treasure it.
 
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That is one of the most plausible, logical stories about MJ I have ever read. If you have seen the movie, you'll know that many things are true.

I have seen the movie. My point was; the fact that it is plausible and logical doesn't make it the truth.
 
This account completely corroberates Karen Faye's posting on her FB so in effect this has confirmed it IMO.

I don't know the story is true or not, though it reads like a good fanfiction, and I can come up with something like this quite easily.

Sure some parts of it may be true, I am sure it was very stressful to prepare a tour like that, and I am sure, many people on the set (including Michael) lost their patience from time to time. I agree on parts about Randy Phillips as well, he comes across as a very arrogant man, I can't say I like him very much. But I need verification. I can't form my opinion with something like this.

Also I am sorry, but Karen Faye is no way a reliable source in my opinion. This is the same woman who claims -now- she supposedly knew Michael wasn't well during the rehearsals, but according to the accounts of the fans, she told the them to keep quiet at the time. If I was looking for verification, that woman would be last person I would go to.
 
the movie will only show what they want us to see, don't expect to see anything in the movie that confirms this thread...

i want to thank you for posting this interview... it shows another angle/view on things... thnx very much!

love you all!
 
Also I am sorry, but Karen Faye is no way a reliable source in my opinion. This is the same woman who claims -now- she supposedly knew Michael wasn't well during the rehearsals, but according to the accounts of the fans, she told the them to keep quiet at the time. If I was looking for verification, that woman would be last person I would go to.

Yes she did but she also said not to say anything because she was dealing with it. She did send emails to Phillips regarding Michaels health and her (and the fans) concerns.

This report also corroberates Karen & 'anonymous' accounts to some degree:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/MichaelJackson/Story?id=7963807&page=2

According to lighting designer Patrick Woodroffe, Jackson didn't always appear in peak condition during rehearsals for his upcoming tour.
"The sense in the camp was that we were nervous. We were nervous about whether we would be able to pull off the show," he said in a BBC radio interview.
The singer would often miss rehearsals, said Woodroffe, who watched Jackson rehearse two days before he died.
But his final rehearsal began to change the view of the crew.
"He was frail, you might say, but something seemed to happen over the weekend, and he came into rehearsal on Tuesday and something really extraordinary seemed to happen. He came on stage at 9 in the evening and we all looked at each other and it was something that said he really had it," Woodroffe said.
Woodroffe said the artist was performing extremely well.
"Suddenly, he was performing as one had remembered him in the past, and he was singing. A lot of the times the director and engineers will say, 'Hold your voice. Don't sing out,' and it was almost like he couldn't stop himself," Woodroffe said.
But by the end of the run-through, Woodroffe said workers believed Jackson could pull of the hectic concert schedule.
"We all had a view as to whether he would be able to survive these 50 shows and whether he could have. I couldn't tell you, but I can certainly tell you he would have made it to the start of the race if you know what I mean," he said. "Whatever the view of Michael Jackson is, there's this sense that he would have done it and that was exciting.'
 
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