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[laeticia.fr]

What is annoying and not in our favor is that in most cases, we realize the doctor was wrong only after something has happened, when it’s too late. But even though what should not happen has happened, it's not your mistake, but your doctor’s. You are not responsible of what happened. It’s not because you made a wrong choice that you have become a victim of a medical error. No. Everything wrong is on your doctor’s side, not yours.

There are people saying Michael was responsible for his death because he trusted a bad doctor, an unworthy doctor, but I do not agree. If Michael knew that Murray was such a negligent doctor, he would never have trusted him, he would never have hired him. Of course not. :no:

How could he have imagined his doctor spent hours talking to his mistress on phone instead of monitoring his patient?? How could he have known that his doctor had no knowledge of anesthetics or psychotropics, especially about their risks?? How could he have known his poor doctor did not know how to rescue patients in case of accidents such as respiratory disorder or cardiac arrest?? (Here I have to mention what I used to repeat when I was on another MJ forum : "It is not Propofol that killed Michael but Murray’s negligence.")


What I have learned through my own experiences and also through Murray’s case, is that there are so many doctors who lack basic knowledge, which cause medical errors.

I do not really understand why so many doctors do not try to go to their medical websites or read their manuals, when they are not very confident of their knowledge.

If their pride as doctor do not allow them to show their lack of knowledge to their patients, so why do not they do that before or after seeing patient ?

They say they do not have time, because overloaded. But for me it is an unacceptable excuse. They have time to eat, sleep, and call their mistresses, then?

They forget or they do not care that our life is in their hands. They forget or they do not know that they are responsible for every medical procedure and any decision to provide care could be fatal.

What is unbelievable is that there are so many doctors completely unmotivated to ‘study’ anything since they finished their internship in hospitals.

:huh:

 

[Daryll748]

See, you brought us back on topic :clap:

No, seriously... You're supposed to TRUST your Doctor just like you 'trust' your local PC dealer that he knows how computers work :smilerolleyes: It's a 'silly' comparison but MOST Docs care about the $$$$ blinking in their eyes... Some are even so 'arrogant' to say... "Something is wrong with you and we need to take a CT scan but you know... Make another appointment..." :mat:

I was so fumed when he said that... I didn't make another appointment... I found the 'something is wrong with you' doing my own Bloody FREE research :doh:

There are people saying Michael was responsible for his death because he trusted a bad doctor, an unworthy doctor, but I do not agree. If Michael knew that Murray was such a negligent doctor, he would never have trusted him, he would never have hired him. Of course not.

:no:
How could he have imagined his doctor spent hours talking to his mistress on phone instead of monitoring his patient?? How could he have known that his doctor had no knowledge of anesthetics or psychotropics, especially about their risks?? How could he have known his poor doctor did not know how to rescue patients in case of accidents such as respiratory disorder or cardiac arrest?? (Here I have to mention what I used to repeat when I was on another MJ forum : "It is not Propofol that killed Michael but Murray’s negligence.")

I fume again when especially even FANS claim that Michael caused his own death... It's the MOST ridiculous thing, I ever heard...
Michael TRUSTED Murray... Just like I trusted my own 'quack'... I mean where does it end if you can't even trust a "qualified" Doctor anymore, hey :scratch:

The thing that really 'haunts' me is that Michael did call Sherilyn, that home care nurse, cause he was not feeling well...
She told him to go to the hospital cause she was on Holiday HUH... :beee:

When you're ill... All you can do is stay in bed and hope someone will HELP you... Been there done that over and over again :blush:

Indeed, it's NOT the Propofol that KILLS, it's the IDIOT that 'injects' it...

I had a 'heavy' dose in 2010 too having major surgery and yet, I'm STILL here typing this :cheeky:

I WISH people would THINK more before they open their mouths :smilerolleyes:

 

[laeticia.fr]

Today I read a post written by a new member on one of the threads in ‘Katherine vs AEG lawsuit section. She thinks there would be someone behind Murray to order the murder, because Murray as doctor could not be so stupid.

Contrary to her belief, Murray IS stupid and there are so many doctors who are as stupid as Murray everywhere. She is lucky not yet have met a stupid doctor, or not have been sick very often, or both. I met stupid doctors, I saw them with my own eyes.

I mean where does it end if you can't even trust a "qualified" Doctor anymore, hey :scratch::

That's my case unfortunately. I have no doctor. So this is where we end.

(Anyway, in my case, it is not only the issue of trust, but rather doctors’ competency. There is no doctor, in my country, capable of treating my disease.)


In any case, doctors must respond to our trust. They must do their best, it is a requirement, simply because our life is in their hands.

The thing that really 'haunts' me is that Michael did call Sherilyn, that home care nurse, cause he was not feeling well...
She told him to go to the hospital cause she was on Holiday HUH... :beee:

Cherilyn Lee could have saved Michael if she had insisted more... It's not me saying that, but it's her tears which made us think she was feeling that way and regretted to death…

But if Michael had not followed her advice, that’s because he had so many reasons not to go to the hospital, you know...

 

[Daryll748]

Today I read a post written by a new member on one of the threads in ‘Katherine vs AEG lawsuit section. She thinks there would be someone behind Murray to order the murder, because Murray as doctor could not be so stupid.

Contrary to her belief, Murray IS stupid and there are so many doctors who are as stupid as Murray everywhere. She is lucky not yet have met a stupid doctor, or not have been sick very often, or both. I met stupid doctors, I saw them with my own eyes.

Well, honestly :blush: that's what I thought too for awhile cause I couldn't believe that a Doctor could be that STUPID and NEGLIGENT but then again if you witnessed it in your own life then your :2cents: start to fall in place...

That's my case unfortunately. I have no doctor. So this is where we end. (Anyway, in my case, it is not only the issue of trust, but rather doctors’ competency. There is no doctor, in my country, capable of treating my disease.) In any case, doctors must respond to our trust. They must do their best, it is a requirement, simply because our life is in their hands.

Indeed, I have to say I'm glad I did find a GOOD one as in 'family doctor' but every time I see him... He threads on eggshells cause he knows how I feel about Doctors :cheeky:

Don't you have a GOOD Pharmacist? Well, I had a brace made for me and I tried to get 'used' to it but Nah... My hand was still hurting like hell... So, I went to the Pharmacist and he 'ordered' the right braces for me so now I even sleep without pain

Cherilyn Lee could have saved Michael if she had insisted more... It's not me saying that, but it's her tears which made us think she was feeling that way and regretted to death… But if Michael had not followed her advice, that’s because he had so many reasons not to go to the hospital, you know...

Indeed, she could have 'saved' Michael :sigh:
It's NOT the case of Michael SHOULD HAVE GONE to the bleeping Hospital... Anyone who claims that, has NEVER been that ill that you can't even phone for HELP... Let along drag your wasted body to the hospital...
Besides, I wonder if anyone of the staff would have taken Michael seriously since they all trusted that quack that was supposed to take care of him :beee:

 

[laeticia.fr]

Well, honestly :blush: that's what I thought too for awhile cause I couldn't believe that a Doctor could be that STUPID and NEGLIGENT

I think most people have been surprised by the fact that Murray was so stupid. Personally his stupidity did not surprise me so much, but I was surprised by his 'particularity' or 'particular features' in him : that he is unaware of his own stupidity and he does not recognize his own faults, so he apparently does not regret what he did. Most doctors are aware of their own lack of knowledge, but not him, Murray.

Indeed, she could have 'saved' Michael :sigh:
It's NOT the case of Michael SHOULD HAVE GONE to the bleeping Hospital... Anyone who claims that, has NEVER been that ill that you can't even phone for HELP... Let along drag your wasted body to the hospital...
Besides, I wonder if anyone of the staff would have taken Michael seriously since they all trusted that quack that was supposed to take care of him :beee:

I do not really think they could do something at that very moment in June 2009. Michael was not a minor. He knew how to say no and if he says no, no one could force him to go to the hospital, unless he was in coma, unable to give consent.

In addition, they were his ‘employees’. What could they do? Even very close friends or family members would have had difficulties to get his agreement on this subject.

In my humble opinion, even Katherine could not do anything. If there was anyone who could have convinced Michael to go see another doctor, in my opinion, it would have been only his children, Prince and Paris, but of course only if they already were at least at the age they are today ...

Go to the hospital could mean many things, ‘too many’ things. Above all, Michael would have had to tell a hospital doctor he sleeps under Propofol. But this was the last thing he would have been ready to tell. Because he would be prevented being under Propofol. But how could he get enough sleep to do performance without Propofol ? Any other drug no longer was effective. He had no time to see a sleep specialist to try another method, he had no time. Not being under Propofol meant not doing TII shows in London. Cancelling shows meant : no financial gain, no big comeback of the King of Pop, no opportunity for their children to attend the performance of their father, no dream home in Las Vegas, etc. etc.

But at this time in 2009 he wanted all his dreams come true. But in his belief it would be impossible without Propofol. He believed in safety of Propofol and competence of Murray ...

Don't you have a GOOD Pharmacist?

No problem. For prescriptions of medication I need, I see a general practitioner who is in my building. I do not consider him as ‘my’ doctor, or even as a doctor. He is even more stupid than Murray. You hardly imagine more stupid doctor than Murray doctor, but he is, I guarantee.

 

[Daryll748]

But at this time in 2009 he wanted all his dreams come true. But in his belief it would be impossible without Propofol. He believed in safety of Propofol and competence of Murray ...

Always brings us back to square one, is it? WHY? :sigh:
It's NOT that I don't know all the answers... In fact, I know too much now... :blink:
It's just my :heart: can't comprehend the fact that we 'lost' him much too soon...


Well, I guess that's what this thread is for hey...
I indeed NEED you :blush: I put on a brave face cause I don't want people to see I'm still

Ah, well life hey :sigh: it's one BIG adventure...

I guess... We all NEED someone to talk to otherwise our minds 'poison' us with theories and worries :sigh:

 

[laeticia.fr]

Always brings us back to square one, is it? WHY? :sigh:
It's NOT that I don't know all the answers... In fact, I know too much now... :blink:
It's just my :heart: can't comprehend the fact that we 'lost' him much too soon...


Well, I guess that's what this thread is for hey...
I indeed NEED you :blush: I put on a brave face cause I don't want people to see I'm still

Ah, well life hey :sigh: it's one BIG adventure...

I guess... We all NEED someone to talk to otherwise our minds 'poison' us with theories and worries :sigh:

When I start thinking about all these things, I realize that I think and tell the same things as a year ago, two years ago, three years ago..., which means I'm not advanced at all, far from accepting what had happened as such. All these nightmares are still there inside me, in the same initial chaotic state… :mello:

And I feel I need to talk, talk and talk, again and again, the same things about same topics, with someone who loves Michael as I do, who miss him and keep grieving as I do.

 

[Daryll748]

When I start thinking about all these things, I realize that I think and tell the same things as a year ago, two years ago, three years ago..., which means I'm not advanced at all, far from accepting what had happened as such. All these nightmares are still there inside me, in the same initial chaotic state… :mello:

And I feel I need to talk, talk and talk, again and again, the same things about same topics, with someone who loves Michael as I do, who miss him and keep grieving as I do.

The BOLD stuff says: "Funny enough, so do I if I listen to what my :heart: tells me :blink: "
Though, there is a 'split' between mind and heart for me... They often still :mat: with each other...
My mind knows that Michael is in heaven :angel: and frets that Michael is HOME there and I got a 2nd chance to make Michael PROUD and all... I did manage to watch TV and DVD's again... I can go to College... I can act like "normal" but that's only "sugar coated" :blush:

My :heart: and stomach :smilerolleyes: can't seem to 'process' this loss, this void... this immense change...

No more Michael travels... No more videos on MTV... No more JOY of buying a NEW CD in the record store... No more NEWS reports of where Michael is... No more his smile... No more his wisdom... His message of L.O.V.E...

ONLY bitter sweet memories :blush:

Though the MAJOR change is... I simply don't talk about Michael 'outside' the box...
I even go :doh: when people ask me 'how are you? '
Should I lie and say 'I'm okay'... Well, I have too cause explaining HOW I really FEEL... Isn't HEALING too... Cause outside this 'community' NO ONE understands the any more...

I do sound like a 'broken record' too but HOW do you cope when your dreams are shattered and the ONE thing you want, you can't have ? :blush:

I plunge in here... At least, MJJCommunity has given me back my DIGNITY :bow: