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Frank DiLeo Speaks about AEG shows and the Day MJ Died

Soso Deaf said:
well an alive and well mj wouldbn't have shirts being sold in jc penny's or target or wal mart.

an alive mj wouldn't have magazines all about him for two months

an alive mj wouldn't have specials etc...or an awards show in his honour

his music wouldn't be selling this great.

so prey tell, how is he worth more alive than dead?

and i trust thome more than the others cuz he handed over money no one knew he had. u think jermaine would've done that? or dileo? or philips?

and y does everyone think mj would've made bank from these shows? he'd have to pay his debt that now, they acknowledge he had. so what money? he'd have to do yrs worth of shows to generate the money needed to break even.

and um...frank....INSURANCE POLICY? HELLO?
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The magazines don't have anything to do with Jackson or merchandising. An alive MJ also wouldn't want his picture of the front of an Enquirer, but it happened.

He has CD's and DVD's sold in Wal-Mart and Targets, etc... why not a t-shirt? You could buy his merchandise in stores in the 80's....

This quick surge in sales will die down eventually, and he'll still be pulling in money, but that doesn't mean that he's worth more dead. He had unlimited potential: shows, more music, more DVD's, television concerts,... all of this would have been added to his catalog and had he died as an older man, he would have left behind an even bigger body of work for his estate.

A lot of the money people claim is being generated in here isn't even factual at this point. Insurance money (which may ore may not even paid.. and insurance doesn't always cover everything. That's tantamount to driving a new car you paid cash for off the lot then crashing it for the insurance money... you won't get everything you spent back), how much AEG is making on merchandising... there are no solid figures discussing what they made, especially when the opposite could be true: they could have lost money. We just don't know at this point.
 
Superstition said:
The magazines don't have anything to do with Jackson or merchandising. An alive MJ also wouldn't want his picture of the front of an Enquirer, but it happened.

He has CD's and DVD's sold in Wal-Mart and Targets, etc... why not a t-shirt? You could buy his merchandise in stores in the 80's....

This quick surge in sales will die down eventually, and he'll still be pulling in money, but that doesn't mean that he's worth more dead. He had unlimited potential: shows, more music, more DVD's, television concerts,... all of this would have been added to his catalog and had he died as an older man, he would have left behind an even bigger body of work for his estate.

A lot of the money people claim is being generated in here isn't even factual at this point. Insurance money (which may ore may not even paid.. and insurance doesn't always cover everything. That's tantamount to driving a new car you paid cash for off the lot then crashing it for the insurance money... you won't get everything you spent back), how much AEG is making on merchandising... there are no solid figures discussing what they made, especially when the opposite could be true: they could have lost money. We just don't know at this point.
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I agree - plus they still have 50 empty dates .. and ticket refunds
ticket revenue would have been over 150 million alone ..

AEG did not want MJ dead _They are not are they in the business
of murdering thier stars or clients .. who make them money.
they are a multi billion dollar business - and certainly dont need
to resort to murder to make money -
 
qbee said:
I agree - plus they still have 50 empty dates .. and ticket refunds
ticket revenue would have been over 150 million alone ..

AEG did not want MJ dead _They are not are they in the business
of murdering thier stars or clients .. who make them money.
they are a multi billion dollar business - and certainly dont need
to resort to murder to make money -
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They are negotiating with Whitney Houstons management as they are with Robby Williams (who is huge here in Europe) management negotiating... both supposed to do a huge comeback this year... trust me they do not have 50 empty dates anymore.


http://www.thelondonpaper.com/going...itney-houston-set-for-comeback-gigs-at-the-o2http://tag.excite.de/archiv/all/all/Houston-Williams-O2-London
 
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sorry I didn't read the entire thread...but I remember something about Michael calling Frank to tell him he's not feeling well that night is it true? and what did Frank say about it?
 
i dunno. he said he was w/ mj that night

that's what we were hearing, mj said like the day before he died he didn't feel good. instead of going to the hospital, he just hadmurray take care of him. but that's all what we heard when we were in la.
 
hmm ok...I was wondering if he felt any regrets for not taking him to the hospital when someone dies people always say "could've should've would've"...but I guess he didn't talk about it
 
very interesting question snowwhite

and what was he complaining of the night before?? what does "unwell" mean exactly?
 
I understood the 'hot and cold feeling' was days before he passed.
 
selling the tickets at 140 us for a bomb ass show w/ the best entertainer in teh world! great as hell!

now if u want that ticket, no show, 140? no shirt or program and the ticket for that price? they still would've madetheir profit. they'regreedy and frank works for them

greed begets greed
 
qbee said:
I agree - plus they still have 50 empty dates .. and ticket refunds
ticket revenue would have been over 150 million alone ..

AEG did not want MJ dead _They are not are they in the business
of murdering thier stars or clients .. who make them money.
they are a multi billion dollar business - and certainly dont need
to resort to murder to make money -
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Hey :)

This is what I think 'might' be another answer to the fact I believe dead he is worth more to AEG

How much did they really spend so far... wages. Not hire on Staples as that is owned by AEG. Then the ticket company was told on the day Michael died 'hours' before they got the contract http://www.graphicartsonline.com/article/CA6673527.html?desc=topstory (half way down after talking about the memorial booklet it is mentioned)- why didn't someone at AEG cancel it that day or the next - instead they made money from 40% of people taking the ticket option(I wonder if it was 40% in the end)

Also the case of Jermaine introducing that Dr Tohme Tohme to Michael http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1615320/20090706/jackson_michael.jhtml then Tohme knowing Tom Barrack of Neverland and he being friends with the owner of AEG http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-michael-jackson31-2009may31,0,1441957.story?page=1 (article written before Michael died) - Jermaine keeps pushing for Michael to be buried at Neverland(this would = more profit if opened like Graceland) now what if.... there is a secret deal to split the yearly money - but that has all fallen through due to Katherine going against the burial there(I like her, her morals seem to be good and strong) I still think that they'll persist to create Neverland into something like Graceland.

Jermaine is on tv saying all these nice things meaning that most won't question his motives, more likely question me questioning him. Just like the majority of the general public won't question an autopsy outcome of too much drugs due to the fact they knew about his past rehab and I'm not saying he wasn't taking the drugs BUT... what about Dr Murray and the bad CPR and delay in calling 911 and his assistants at the storage facility? Notice how that has all gone quiet? Cops took ages to search him anyway... given him time to turf out anything suspect. Now headlines about Paris and Mark Lester have made that a distant memory already for the public...WHY?! Why is it just 'accepted' Dr Murray was a bad doctor, I don't trust the LAPD but I hope they restore my faith as I don't like not trusting them but my gut feelings don't.

Then what about the conflict of interest with Branca, Katz and Dileo with Sony? Who was the person back in '93 that was helping Evan Chandler to smear Michael's name?

Finally, he is worth more alive than dead? Well if he'd cancelled gigs(and maybe AEG knew that was going to happen) they'd have lost more money now they've made 40% from people taking the ticket option, selling lots of merchandise. They've even got some or all the copyright on Jermaine's 'Smile' that is to be released on itunes now(how much are they paying Jermaine?! or is doing it for the attention....hmmm...)

What is disgusting about all this? Michael still hasn't been buried and the movie is arranged, merchandise deals signed off, Jermaine's version of Smile to go on itunes, tribute gig planned... Yes I know they are bringing in cash for the kids and estate and paying off debts etc... but they could wait until he is buried.

It all makes me so sad as he was such a good soul. I don't want to be writing all the above, I have always seen through things and Michael talked about conspiracy a lot too to Dick Gregory, in London to the fans against Sony, Harlem speech... You know people thought he was being 'paranoid' thats also what E! online called Katherine the other day for wanting to know how her son was killed...! Well most people would want to know E! and I don't think he was paranoid, but they made him look evil and mad by creating allegations and so he was not taken seriously. I believed you Michael and still do - I hope the truth comes out and I hope your 3 lil ones are ok.
 
ah a cardiac arrest is difficult in any situation. now we know it was caused by the propofol, himi going to the hospital would've caused him ot not have used it the night he died but we can't foresee what would've been
 
myfavouritewintercoat said:
Finally, he is worth more alive than dead? Well if he'd cancelled gigs(and maybe AEG knew that was going to happen) they'd have lost more money now they've made 40% from people taking the ticket option, selling lots of merchandise. They've even got some or all the copyright on Jermaine's 'Smile' that is to be released on itunes now(how much are they paying Jermaine?! or is doing it for the attention....hmmm...
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I doubt Michael could have contractually cancelled the gigs. Maybe rescheduled, but not cancelled. That likely would have been breach of contract.

Nevermind the fact nobody, anywhere, has said Jackson planned on cancelling. Quite the opposite. But then again I guess his brothers and managers and friends and co-workers are all liars and in on it together.

And I'll say it again: I think anyone saying he's worth more dead than alive is insulting his abilities.
 
insulting his abilities? u mean the same man who told fans he didn't want to do this and then aeg comes b ack w/ an interview saying his career would be ruined?

and if he didn't do them? then they would've filed injunctions, sued him, etc....

his earning potential is only as great as the people who back him. aeg was giving him a chance, taking a 'risk' so to speak b/c he was so iffy about things.

they're selling more shirts b/c now they're being labled as collector's items.
 
Soso Deaf said:
what man who 'understands' his tour obligations nees THREE LAWYERS to explain it to him?
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The answer? Probably a man who is being pressured to do something he did not intend to do, i.e. fifty dates? Three lawyers were explaining to him how he would be hurt in various ways if he did not fulfil his tour "obligations?" It seems that he was blocked from performing anywhere else until "the obligations" were fulfilled.

He said he went to bed having agreed to do ten dates, and woke up to fifty! Frank Dileo confirms that Michael made this statement, but Frank made it seem like a joke. So does one believe Frank, that Michael said it like a joke, or believe Michael when he said the same to fans and was clearly upset? I believe Michael. . . . .
 
On Larry King on 26 June Liza Minelli said she had heard that Michael had complained of chest pains the night before he died. Someone else had said this too.

MJJ2theMAX said:
very interesting question snowwhite

and what was he complaining of the night before?? what does "unwell" mean exactly?
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If there are still fans who are confused about the situation, I advise you to join Karen's facebook right now. There is interesting discussion going on and my friends (Michael's followers) are telling it how it is. If you can take it, go there and read for yourselves. The truth needs to come out otherwise the people who truly loved him and tried to do something in his last days won't have closure. And the truth always heals a bit.
 
Love.him said:
On Larry King on 26 June Liza Minelli said she had heard that Michael had complained of chest pains the night before he died. Someone else had said this too.
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My uncle spoke with Jermaine on the 26th, and said Jermaine told him that Michael asked to be taken to the hospital the night before he died but the doctor wouldn't take him and told Michael he was fine instead.

Jermain's story and Liza's add up well. Unlike Murray's, the nurse's and Kleine's. Isn't that a shocker....

I'm sure Jermaine told the investigators about that though.

But, that brings up another question. If Michael was feeling bad the night before and felt he needed to go to the hospital (and we know if Michael asks to go to the hospital then he really needs to go!), then something was clearly wrong with him BEFORE the propofol was injected.
 
kasume said:
My uncle spoke with Jermaine on the 26th, and said Jermaine told him that Michael asked to be taken to the hospital the night before he died but the doctor wouldn't take him and told Michael he was fine instead.

Jermain's story and Liza's add up well. Unlike Murray's, the nurse's and Kleine's. Isn't that a shocker....

I'm sure Jermaine told the investigators about that though.

But, that brings up another question. If Michael was feeling bad the night before and felt he needed to go to the hospital (and we know if Michael asks to go to the hospital then he really needs to go!), then something was clearly wrong with him BEFORE the propofol was injected.
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I don't know what to say, it's possible because Michael was far from being ok in his last months, but I wonder when on June 24 did he ask that? Because he was at the rehearsals until 1 am. When we saw him at 1 am he was smiling and in good spirits...So when then? After he got home? At rehearsals? Hmmm at Jermaine...
 
Soso Deaf said:
insulting his abilities? u mean the same man who told fans he didn't want to do this and then aeg comes b ack w/ an interview saying his career would be ruined?

and if he didn't do them? then they would've filed injunctions, sued him, etc....

his earning potential is only as great as the people who back him. aeg was giving him a chance, taking a 'risk' so to speak b/c he was so iffy about things.

they're selling more shirts b/c now they're being labled as collector's items.
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When did Jackson say he didn't want to do the shows? I'm not talking about DiLeo, I'm talking about Jackson. Saying he's worth more dead is short-changing his abilities to draw when he was alive.

Also, I'm calling BS on him not wanting to do 50 dates. If he was roped into doing 50 dates, then toss all those rumors of him being a saavy businessman out the door. I've never in my life heard of someone being roped into 40 shows they didn't want to do. That's absurd.

I'm also not getting what the big deal is about 50 shows, in one residency no less. Other artists do it all the time, artists older than MJ. Again, people are short-changing his abilities.
 
Cris123 said:
I don't know what to say, it's possible because Michael was far from being ok in his last months, but I wonder when on June 24 did he ask that? Because he was at the rehearsals until 1 am. When we saw him at 1 am he was smiling and in good spirits...So when then? After he got home? At rehearsals? Hmmm at Jermaine...
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I don't know. I just know both Jermaine and Liza are very consistent on their story's, both saying Michael had trouble "the night before he died". I don't really don't know what time "the night before" was for them. But since he got home late, it was still dark, so maybe they were referring to those early hours as nighttime since everyone is still sleep at those hours.

But I just don't understand why he would have chest pains all of a sudden when he is in great health. And he had been doing rehearsals for months by that time, so why have problems near the end?

Or maybe he'd been having chest pains for awhile? But then again, those doctors said he was fit and healthy to do all 50 concerts and gave him the okay to do it.

Also, I'm calling BS on him not wanting to do 50 dates. If he was roped into doing 50 dates, then toss all those rumors of him being a saavy businessman out the door. I've never in my life heard of someone being roped into 40 shows they didn't want to do. That's absurd.
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That's right. He's Michael Jackson. MJ doing shows because he is forced too? That's not the MJ I know. The MJ I know does shows because he wants to do them. Kenny Ortega also said Michael wanted to do "many many" more shows.

If I can figure out something is waaay off, then a team of professional investigators should figure it out also.
 
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Well I think he was in between...

he was in between wanting to do the 50 shows (more spread not more than two or three in one week and more breaks in between)

and not wanting to do them under these circumstances (cuz he thought it's too much or cuz he just didn't want doesn't matter).


And if you don't know Michael Jackson when he doesn't want to do something anymore even if he did sign it before then ask Marcel Avram!
Michael could be obviously very serious in acting like 'who cares what I signed and/or gave permission for signing yesterday!'


I'm also not getting what the big deal is about 50 shows, in one residency no less. Other artists do it all the time, artists older than MJ.
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Superstition I think Michael should have listened to you before... when even older stars do 50 shows in just one place... 'breaking the record of Prince' maybe wouldn't have been this important to Michael?
"Hey Mike forget the record old ppl are doing that easily on stage what you're doing and they do perform just as often!"
Honestly...
I've attended the BAD-Concert, the Dangerous-Concert, the HiStory-Concert... and although I've attended many other concerts of other artists, may it be Springsteen, may it be Genesis, Phil Collins may it be Bon-Jovi, may it be Janet, may it be Madonna or even Justin Timberlake... I've never seen concerts comparable... considering human energy of the one singing and dancing... my personal opinion is I don't know any artist comparable with a show like those live on stage still. Well I don't know about This Is It.
But saying generally something like 'others even older are doing 50 shows in a row like all the time' isn't that pretty much sounding like short-changing Michaels abilities truely?


Also everyone should remind themselves... Michael didn't tour with his kids being around before. Ok this hasn't been a tour (already?!) for now... still...
I could very well imagine he didn't want these many shows per week cuz it's obvious he wouldn't have had that much time for his kids anymore then as he had since their birth. Would be a very easily understandable reason.

Things have obviously changed.

Did Michael go on tour with a doctor hired for him ever before? not to my knowledge.

Did Michael fire his manager and engaged a new or better old one only weeks before he started a tour? not to my knowledge.

Things were obviously not the same.


I am not blaming anything on Frank DiLeo. But he is saying this there and then something sounding completely different somewhere else. Also I can't see through his obvious ties with Sony and AEG.
But yeah as a private investigator I would look also very carefully into his contract with Michael and the circumstances and reasons which led to his hiring (again).
And also I'd ask him pretty direct and concrete what he saw and knew about sleeping problems. If he blames everything only on the doctor and if he doesn't admitt he's sorry, he recognized problems and he tried and couldn't stop neither Michael and the doctor nor making AEG using the emergency break... well then be it but then I'd for sure still not recommend him as the manager of someone I like.
And honestly yes I am wondering how Frank Di Leo feels with the person he sees in the mirror whenever he looks into one!
 
Superstition bud, Michael DID tell fans he didn't want to do the shows. I was on Karen's page lastnite and many other who were there backed it up. One of them went to the tabloids the very same day, and that's when security started to be a bit more resrective (after the story was published. For the record, I don't subscribe to the whole "AEG are murderers train." Maybe Thohme ok'd the dates without Michaels approval and thats why he got fired, by then the tickets were already made available. I also believe Mike could have easily done 50 shows given the break.
 
@ Cris 123, since you were also present on June 24, can you paint a picture of how he was? I saw your friends' comments on Karen's page and the say he was out of it, laughing for no reason, sometimes extremely sad and loss of memory. Is that true?
 
Thanks for your response! No wonder the family feels there is foul play &, of course, the media is ignoring this. It sounds like the doctor could have been giving Michael something he shouldn't, very suspicious indeed & very frustrating!

kasume said:
My uncle spoke with Jermaine on the 26th, and said Jermaine told him that Michael asked to be taken to the hospital the night before he died but the doctor wouldn't take him and told Michael he was fine instead.

Jermain's story and Liza's add up well. Unlike Murray's, the nurse's and Kleine's. Isn't that a shocker....

I'm sure Jermaine told the investigators about that though.

But, that brings up another question. If Michael was feeling bad the night before and felt he needed to go to the hospital (and we know if Michael asks to go to the hospital then he really needs to go!), then something was clearly wrong with him BEFORE the propofol was injected.
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