Roosje;3220655 said:
I never said you said what I said... lol. I was just stating my opinion on the matter. That each country deserves leaders that have the best interest of their people at heart, which also means keeping your calm in the region. Because who wants conflict or war? I know that education in Egypt is really corrupted (for example children will have to pay their teachers extra is they want something explained) and of bad quality for the average Egyptian. To keep your people deliberately dumb and poor is never a good idea. It makes a breeding ground for extremism. If only something like education could be changed for the better the mindset of people about regional conflicts could also change. Much hate comes from lack of knowledge. I do think that extremists will win less and less ground as the internet opens up information to a growing number of people. This is how these protests started out and are organised after all. Although the internet can be used to suit extremists agendas, I think it will mostly show them for who they really are. There are hardly any good examples of thriving extremists who do good for their people (with exeption of Ghadaffi maybe, although he has become quite mellow over the years). I think we mostly agree, I'm just anoptimist. I can imagine that must be hard for the Israeli though. I can't imagine what it's like to have the feeling you're constantly under threat. However, I think America's politics in the Middle East and beyond are very hypocritical to say the least. Bush at first wanting to force democracy on Iraq, Afghanistan, but leaving Saoudi Arabia and other important oil states alone, while their regimes are not much better. So it wasn't about freedom after all? And now Obama was just cheering on the departure of Ben Ali but is deafening silent about Mubarak's situation, while in essence it's the same thing. America should stop being world cop. Their mingling (often in non-diplomatic ways) is not appreciated by a growing number of countries. I hope the Arab countries will have a movement similar as seen in some Latin American countries. Ever since America backed out, leaders like Lula and Morales have been able to do it their way. Not all of the Latin efforts and leaders are good ones, but the people are no longer oppressed by US funded dictators. That on itself is progress.
For the Egyptian people I hope Mubarak will eventually be replaced by an elected government that is wise and peaceful. You may call me naive but I think it's possible.
lol I understand, my bad.
I agree with most of your post. Its good to be optimist but you have be prepared for another scenario, much less positive..anything is possible. You’re right, a good education is the key but also enough with the brainwashing and propaganda, that’s the main problem. I agree about America, apparently they didn’t learn anything from Iraq , Afghanistan and Iran. They dont understand how things are running in the middle east, they cant shove their policy by force to other countries. It will only make things worse. Not every Islamic country is ready to become democratic and not everyone in these countries wants that. Egypt has been under dictatorship for over 30 years, they forgot what democracy is. Mubarak falls, it doesn’t mean Egypt will suddenly be free and democratic and the problems will go away. The US has enough problems inside, Obama needs to focus on that and stay away from other countries issues.
elusive moonwalker;3220880 said:
yeah that is a big issue and why the west doesnt seem to know how to react.but it just shows the hypocrasy of the west aswell. u cant call for democracy and then cry when someone gets in who u dont like and try to undermine them. thats what democracy is.sometimes ppl who u dont like win elections. the west prefers the devil they know then the one they dont. but at the end of the day it should be the ppls right to elect who they want. a basic human right and what ppl are dieing for on the streets in cairo.
They can pretend to be democratic and then fake the election results, like in Iran, Syria.
Now I want to see a revolution in Iran. Things can only get better there. The majority of the Iranian people are well educated and really want to be free and to live normally. The regime doesn’t represent the people. I believe they are ready for a change. Things are so bad there that it can get only better.
Unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about Egypt, it is in a serious problem. Right now everyone wants Mubarak’s head but what they will do after he falls?
elusive moonwalker;3220871 said:
its all over the news here. i tend to wacth al jazerrah (sp) alot
Al Jazeera is a propaganda channel. Not saying that the western media is better cuz they change their opinion every minute..no one really knows what’s going to happen, things going crazy there. but do you know what they reported? that Mubarak is planning to escape to Tel Aviv..come on.lol Al Jazeera is a big problem, I believe they had hand in this mess. It was the Palestine Papers, Tunis, now Egypt. Like they want to create chaos in the Arab/ Muslim world.
Alma;3221007 said:
Yeah, Obama is a hypocrite alright.
I understand that the people of Egypt got tired of being ruled by a dictator and they want democracy, but people are literally now breaking free from prisons, lots of injuries and even deaths going on, that's plain madness that it has come to this anarchy and hostility. And war. At the end of the day, it's a war where people die. I wish a riot happened around here where I live, where people are sleeping while being mercilessly deprived of their rights by dictatorship, but to see blood and criminals escaping from their prisons, thus leading to a national chaos.... .... ... There's hardly any security left.
I don't know, hope for more order for Egypt, this world is a crazy place as it is....
Egypt is in anarchy now. The thing is, there are people who take advantage of the situation to steal money and property and destroy everything. People have to stand with knives and other weapon to protect their houses and property because looters are breaking in. They already broke to the Egyptian museum in Cairo and destroyed important things. Some say it was planned also. the army is watching
