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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Thriller_MJ I can understand the pessimism but do not cast aspersions on the judge like that. That's not right.
 
I am pessimistic because of the "always believe victims" and metoo enviroment we are living in. How could any judge or court be unbiased after watching and reading about Leaving Neverland? I dont see how any judge are going to give the estate a complete fair proceding. Also, Michael Jackson is dead - so ruling against him unfairly wont hurt anyone living (thats not my argument, but I can see it being used silently)

I have a really tough time seeing Robson & Safechuck being tossed out without getting anything at all, I suspect they will find a way to reward them somehow. Also the media is going to do everything possible to turn the tide in Robson & Safechucks favor, its going to be a rough time again. The judge are going to face a sh**storm of epic proportions if MJ Estate win and the "poor boys" wont be believed.
 
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Lightbringer said:
I am pessimistic because of the "always believe victims" and metoo enviroment we are living in. How could any judge or court be unbiased after watching and reading about Leaving Neverland? I dont see how any judge are going to give the estate a complete fair proceding. Also, Michael Jackson is dead - so ruling against him unfairly wont hurt anyone living (thats not my argument, but I can see it being used)

I have a really tough time seeing Robson & Safechuck being tossed out without getting anything at all, I suspect they will find a way to reward them somehow. Also the media is going to do everything possible to turn the tide in Robson & Safechucks favor, its going to be a rough time again. The judge are going to face a sh**storm of epic proportions if MJ Estate win.
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I disagree. The judge needs to go by FACTS and just because a FEW people may issue, it would be worst if Wade/James win and the backstorm on that happening (sorry but the metoo thing is dying out. People are getting back to judging on facts. Do NOT be fooled by what a FEW people say. MJ is not still being played for nothing. No one can talk about Wade/James without talking about the lies they told and NO ONE can stop that from happening if this trash get far. I still say more people back MJ than these liars but the lies makes the press. One silver lining in Kobe's death is that many people are NOT going to go for that rush to judge. Gayle King thought that was going to work again for her and look IT BACKFIRED along with that writer for the Washington Post, That Disney chic; and some high school principal.
 
myosotis said:
There's NO chance of the Estate settling, so Finaldi is wasting his time. No, I think he's just dragging this out 'because he can' and meanwhile he can create lots of publicity for his law firm (and make further attempts to sully MJ's name with his inaccurate briefings to the media).

Finaldi's lot must think they have this case 'in the bag' after the reception LN got from the media, Oprah etc, but they really don't know the MJ counter arguments and I don't think they actually care. They'll just do what they've advised R and S to do - make it up as they go along, and hope something sticks.
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And that is stupid if he doing this for publicity. Who ever get more successful by doing this to MJ? NONE. The ONLY lawyers who got more success was Tom Mez. Johnny Cochran got big.
 
terrell said:
I disagree. The judge needs to go by FACTS and just because a FEW people may issue, it would be worst if Wade/James win and the backstorm on that happening (sorry but the metoo thing is dying out. People are getting back to judging on facts. Do NOT be fooled by what a FEW people say. MJ is not still being played for nothing. No one can talk about Wade/James without talking about the lies they told and NO ONE can stop that from happening if this trash get far. I still say more people back MJ than these liars but the lies makes the press. One silver lining in Kobe's death is that many people are NOT going to go for that rush to judge. Gayle King thought that was going to work again for her and look IT BACKFIRED along with that writer for the Washington Post, That Disney chic; and some high school principal.
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Well, I do agree with you that the case should be thrown out based on the facts. Dan Reed will of course do whatever he can do pile on the pressure on the judge by filming. Who wants to be the judge to put the final nail in the coffin for these "poor boys" quest for justice and victory for all victims out there? And be included in the part 2 film by Dan Reed? You have to be extremely fair minded to not let any of the Leaving Neverland hoopla affect you. Of course, I assume thats what a judge are supposed to be able to do, but I am not convinced.

What does the case boil down to? Does Finaldi & company have to convince the judge thats its more likely than not that the molestation took place, and that employees were aware?
 
Lightbringer said:
Well, I do agree with you that the case should be thrown out based on the facts. Dan Reed will of course do whatever he can do pile on the pressure on the judge by filming. Who wants to be the judge to put the final nail in the coffin on these "poor boys" quest for justice? And be included in the part 2 film by Dan Reed? You have to be extremely fair minded to not let any of the Leaving Neverland hoopla affect you. Of course, I assume thats what a judge are supposed to be able to.

What does the case boil down to? Does Finaldi & company have to convince thats its more likely than not that the molestation took place, and that employees were aware?
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Courts trial happen everyday. if your proven to be a liar, Most juries will judge based on that info no matter what anyone say. Again, there is too much lies told by these liars (and worst, these guys DEFENDED MJ in court of law- Wade did it TWICE) sorry but that does not sit well IN COURT no matter how they try to twist it (let alone have been praising MJ in PRIVATE and in PUBLIC for 20 years). That might not matter to haters and media who want to believe in lies but to a judge/jury, It matters (and this does not include all the other lies). And the jury/judge also knows a DEAD MAN is a target as well especially when you want MILLIONS.
 
Is the burden of proof 50.1% in this case since its a civil trial? Meaning the standard of evidence is only that its more likely that something happened or not, not the beyond reasonable doubt that applies for criminal trials.
 
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I agree. with this it can show a lot of things. and if they lie we will have it on tape to prove them wrong for sure.
 
I find it dumb they dropped Doe. seriously? they just trying to make it seem Michael actually did something. buttholes. they gonna loose anyway. it gonna be hilarious. can't wait when it happens. if it's happens.
 
Lightbringer said:
Is the burden of proof 50.1% in this case since its a civil trial? Meaning the standard of evidence is only that its more likely that something happened or not, not the beyond reasonable doubt that applies for criminal trials.
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These guys do not have even 1% of any kind of belief IF the jury/judge look at FACTS; if not, it will show the bias, prejudice, or even racism of them if they go along with this nonsense which will be a bigger problem for the judge/jury/California system. There is too much to expose these liars. Again, court room is totally different than sitting down with a tv host with film that used editing/acting/no cross examine, etc for entertainment purposes compare to going after the TRUTH in COURT. Tv makes it seem like there really is a sponge that talks and lives in Bikini bottom in the ocean in a pineapple.
 
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These guys do not have even 1% of any kind of belief IF the jury/judge look at FACTS; if not, it will show the bias, prejudice, or even racism of them if they go along with this nonsense which will be a bigger problem for the judge/jury/California system. There is too much to expose these liars. Again, court room is totally different than sitting down with a tv host with film that used editing/acting/no cross examine, etc for entertainment purposes compare to going after the TRUTH in COURT. Tv makes it seem like there really is a sponge that talks and lives in Bikini bottom in the ocean in a pineapple.
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Tch (as a snicker) Why are you dragging Spongebob into this?
 
Lightbringer said:
Is the burden of proof 50.1% in this case since its a civil trial? Meaning the standard of evidence is only that its more likely that something happened or not, not the beyond reasonable doubt that applies for criminal trials.
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Yes, I believe it's 'on the balance of probability'.

However, R and S have to show that one or both of the MJJ companies had a 'duty of care' for them, in the same way that a school, sports organisation, church etc has. MJJ Companies did not have a 'duty of care', since MJJ companies had no involvement with any children being invited to MJ's private home, and moreover, their parents were mostly on the same premises and /or had given express permission for their children to go to Neverland / elsewhere eg on tour with MJ. (And in Robson's case he and family defended MJ at the '93-4 Grand Jury and the 2005 trial, so how would any MJJ companies be expected to 'suspect' anything.)

These guys have an evidence mountain to climb, and I'm sure that interviewing MJJ employees isn't going to get them anywhere at all.
 
myosotis said:
Yes, I believe it's 'on the balance of probability'.

However, R and S have to show that one or both of the MJJ companies had a 'duty of care' for them, in the same way that a school, sports organisation, church etc has. MJJ Companies did not have a 'duty of care', since MJJ companies had no involvement with any children being invited to MJ's private home, and moreover, their parents were mostly on the same premises and /or had given express permission for their children to go to Neverland / elsewhere eg on tour with MJ. (And in Robson's case he and family defended MJ at the '93-4 Grand Jury and the 2005 trial, so how would any MJJ companies be expected to 'suspect' anything.)

These guys have an evidence mountain to climb, and I'm sure that interviewing MJJ employees isn't going to get them anywhere at all.
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Exactly right and also the company executives, whom Safechuck and Robson are trying to make responsible for their "abuse", were not autonomous and were not in control of MJ - he was the sole owner/controller of both companies. Safechuck's case is even weaker than Robson's, because Safechuck was never an employee, procured or paid by either of these companies.
 
Safechucks will be thrown out as before because he wasnt hired by the companies. The new law doesnt help him when it comes to that
 
terrell;4285754 said:
LOL!! Just to show how tv can manipulate.
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This is how it starts. And before you know it, poor old Spongebob is on Finaldi&#8217;s witness list. :laughing:
 
:no:Oh god. Leave Spongebob out of this.
 
Mikky Dee said:
Exactly right and also the company executives, whom Safechuck and Robson are trying to make responsible for their "abuse", were not autonomous and were not in control of MJ - he was the sole owner/controller of both companies. Safechuck's case is even weaker than Robson's, because Safechuck was never an employee, procured or paid by either of these companies.
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And lets not forget the fact that MJJ Ventures was founded in 1991, three years after Safechuck alleges that the company were only a smoke-screen to provide young boys for Michael to molest, the insanity of that argument.....
 
So wait, Doe ties in with R&S? Is there a summary of the Doe stuff? And it's already been dropped?

LOL @ these ****ing scammers.
 
Yazman said:
So wait, Doe ties in with R&S? Is there a summary of the Doe stuff? And it's already been dropped?

LOL @ these ****ing scammers.
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There's no link with R&S, except that Finaldi and Co. scraped this case off the bottom of some barrel.

It was discussed in this R/S/Doe trial thread at the time, so you could look back into this thread for the relevant dates. There's not much that's accessible elsewhere, aside from the initial media reports and the court papers on scribd (which need a login for access).

The case was quietly dismissed (I gather because it was withdrawn) in mid-May 2017, with no media fanfare. (Which I guess tells us what's likely to happen when the R&S cases are thrown out - ie no media fanfare).
 
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Guys, how is everything going? Are the court proceedings delayed?
 
Vici;4287874 said:
Guys, how is everything going? Are the court proceedings delayed?
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Apparently so, with the coronavirus outbreak still going, it&#8217;ll be delayed another month.
 
From fans on twitter (Thank you for sharing): :(

Wade/James Case Update: Due to COVID-19 and governor's state of emergency, the status conference originally scheduled for June 11 has been postponed until June 25 at 9:30 a.m. PDT.
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