[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It turns out that Finaldi was on another radio show 20 days ago

On that show he said Wade wasn't paid off for testimony. He was asked about evidence and he said stay tuned it would be explosive.

Where was this interview? Some big station?
How do you know about it?


And if he has evidence why doesn't he reveal it right there? Geez how can people be so stupid as to not see what
they are doing?
How come that interviewer didn't ask: well if you have explosive evidence how come
you didn't mention it in the complaint and how come Robson's former lawyers didn't find it
in three years and why not just reveal what it is right here right now?

They will make some shit up and the media will go with it because hey it's explosive.
Just like the child porn story was explosive.

 

[gerryevans]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The only reason why I disagree is the desire of secrecy when Roberson first filed his claim. Plus if and when this case is thrown out the legal fees will be staggering, especially if they have to pay the estate legal fees. It's way to late to dirty up Michael Jackson. They tried it when he was alive it didn't work good luck trying to do it now

I think arrogance and ego also plays into it with the lawyers big time. Just like it did with the previous lawyers and Sneddon. They want to win and have bragging rights that they accomplished what no one else has legally against MJ. They're pompous and full of themselves, and this kind of win against MJ or his companies or whatever would give them immeasurable prestige in their eyes. I do believe Robson wanted to sneak in through the back door to get his blood money initially, but his lawyers always wanted to grandstand.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It turns out that Finaldi was on another radio show 20 days ago.

On that show he said Wade wasn't paid off for testimony. He was asked about evidence and he said stay tuned it would be explosive.

So I'm thinking in both instances he was talking about discovery.

You were right. It looks like it could be a deposition, a document etc. Something they learned during discovery. It wouldn't be a "leak" if the information isn't confidential and/or added as an exhibit etc to a motion - such as a motion to compel. They could also leak whatever it is to the media. As long as it's not confidential it wouldn't be a legal problem.



yes, it only gets delayed.

I think what they are hinting here is that Estate says Robson lawyers know the case can't survive demurrer so they are trying to delay it - most probably to create enough negative publicity to force a settlement.



no it doesn't. it's a reason to dismiss the case. but I think there might be some grace period to it. Check CCP 583.360 for details.

So 20 days ago he told the press stay tuned we have explosive evidence. Then two days ago, he made another interview asking people to stay tuned because he has something big he is going to announce soon. Based on this pattern, we should see him soon on another tv station threatening and asking people to stay tuned. This is only to scare the estate into believing he had something they need to be afraid of, so they should run to negotiate and settle with him.

No one was desperate to convict MJ than Sneddon, he was desperate for anything remotely incriminating and used everything he thought would have made MJ look bad even to the point of using the irrelevant dangling incident in Berlin and the ridiculous claim that MJ was abusing his animals by throwing stones at his lions in Neverland.

When a lawyer uses a version of the law without checking whether it was even the version applicable to the events of his case, you know he is incompetent and everything he says legal-wise should be taken with a grain of salt. We are dealing with a media whore who takes slam dunk cases and has a pattern of calling people who were students of schools or used to attend churches to lure them with promises of big $$$$ to start lawsuits against institutions.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

From Legal dictionary:
"summary judgment
n. a court order ruling that no factual issues remain to be tried and therefore a cause of action or all causes of action in a complaint can be decided upon certain facts without trial. A summary judgment is based upon a motion by one of the parties that contends that all necessary factual issues are settled, and therefore need not be tried. The motion is supported by declarations under oath, excerpts from depositions which are under oath, admissions of fact, and other discovery, as well as a legal argument (points and authorities), that argue that there are no triable issues of fact and that the settled facts require a summary judgment for the moving party. The opposing party will respond by counter-declarations and legal arguments attempting to show that there are "triable issues of fact." If it is unclear whether there is a triable issue of fact in any cause of action, then summary judgment must be denied as to that cause of action. The theory behind the summary judgment process is cut down on unnecessary litigation by eliminating without trial one or more causes of action in the complaint. The pleading procedures are extremely technical and complicated, and are particularly dangerous to the party against whom the motion is made. "

That bolded bit must be the reason why Robson's team are trying to avoid it like plaque.

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Whatever "explosive" evidence he's got the estate knows about it I'm sure. So bring it on

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Yes, I think so too. Its just and another round in tabloids and believe you me, Radar will get "exclusive" of it.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

About as explosive as a flat fart?

 

[Justthefacts]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The thing is these lawyers act like there was no trial in 2005 and that Wade and Safesuck did not defend Michael ESP Wade for years. How you going to say that this was swept under a rug without keeping a straight face

 

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

We are dealing with a media whore who takes slam dunk cases and has a pattern of calling people who were students of schools or used to attend churches to lure them with promises of big $$$$ to start lawsuits against institutions.

A pattern? Really. I was thinking his explosive evidence was that he had contacted another former kid friend and got them to turn with promises of big money. So maybe that is it if that's what he does. Working out the details maybe.

 

[jaydom7]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

The thing is these lawyers act like there was no trial in 2005 and that Wade and Safesuck did not defend Michael ESP Wade for years. How you going to say that this was swept under a rug without keeping a straight face

Exactly! they are acting like there was no criminal witchhunt and trial for MJ.. He had the FBI and two district attorneys investigation and nothing was found to convict him of anything. Wade's lawyers should be ashamed of themselves for even suggesting anything was 'swept under the rug' :mat: It pisses me off just thinking about it. They don't even mention all the praising videos from Wade for the last 20 or so years.. I guess they won't to ignore it totally.. The MJ estate has 'explosive' evidence too in the way of depositions from Wade, under oath testimony from him and his mom and sister, videos, interviews, tributes of MJ from him in print, in video etc.. All of that is explosive enough to paint their client as a liar and a money grubber.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes Wade and his lawyers are trying to delay summary judgement but they can't not stop it. The Estate clear say it Michael owned his companies not the companies own Michael. Imo i can't see how Judge B. can grant a amend to Wade they want to add negligence claims to the companies how can you do that companies are not ppls. like it was mention all Wade and his lawyers want is more time to force the Estate into a settlement.

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Does anyone know if judge decides today or later?
He has had plenty of time to think it over and should deliver the decision today.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Does anyone know if judge decides today or later?
He has had plenty of time to think it over and should deliver the decision today.

It was Oct 7th right?


Bubs with all this mess going he should come back with a decision real quick this has been a circus.

 

[Bubs]

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^^Yes, today is the day. Judge got all the paper work weeks ago and the latest 7 days ago, so he should be able to make a ruling today, just for my nerves sake if nothing else

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes I believe this is what they are talking about. But since Mac was very recently with Paris and since Bret is very loyal to mj, I am not worried. Maybe they got Anthonie Jackson and his moma to join them being so desperate for money they might very well get on board with them.

 

[#MJforever57]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Me too

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I wont hold my breath. Judges love to help their lawyer buddies earn abit more $

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So 20 days ago he told the press stay tuned we have explosive evidence. Then two days ago, he made another interview asking people to stay tuned because he has something big he is going to announce soon. Based on this pattern, we should see him soon on another tv station threatening and asking people to stay tuned. This is only to scare the estate into believing he had something they need to be afraid of, so they should run to negotiate and settle with him.

No one was desperate to convict MJ than Sneddon, he was desperate for anything remotely incriminating and used everything he thought would have made MJ look bad even to the point of using the irrelevant dangling incident in Berlin and the ridiculous claim that MJ was abusing his animals by throwing stones at his lions in Neverland.

When a lawyer uses a version of the law without checking whether it was even the version applicable to the events of his case, you know he is incompetent and everything he says legal-wise should be taken with a grain of salt. We are dealing with a media whore who takes slam dunk cases and has a pattern of calling people who were students of schools or used to attend churches to lure them with promises of big $$$$ to start lawsuits against institutions.

The thing is these lawyers act like there was no trial in 2005 and that Wade and Safesuck did not defend Michael ESP Wade for years. How you going to say that this was swept under a rug without keeping a straight face

I agree. These lawyers ridiculously and shamelessly twist reality and lie through their teeth. Their alternative "reality" is where MJJP/V are "schools", MJ is a "teacher" just because they say so, where two very public rounds of allegations, including a 5 months trial that was reported about all over the world, means the allegations have been "swept under the rug" or where MJ's Wikipedia article doesn't contain any reference to the allegations. No wonder, after all, this is the same law firm that said the fact Michael Egan was caught in serious lies only "proves his credibility". Lying proves someone's credibility. Alright. Obviously, these lawyers have no qualms about lying clients and no qualms about they themselves shamelessly lying either.

A pattern? Really. I was thinking his explosive evidence was that he had contacted another former kid friend and got them to turn with promises of big money. So maybe that is it if that's what he does. Working out the details maybe.

No, it is not that. That they don't have any other accuser is clear from the interview that Ivy mentioned.

 

[Soundmind]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He will give them another chance to build a case.

 

[HIStory]

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The Judge may give them a chance to amend the complaint. Judges tend to give Plaintiffs as many chances as possible. That wouldn't be surprising.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Imo they need no more time it just a delay there is no case here to amend. The Estate say it all.

Facts are facts you can't change them this has been going on for 3 years now and nothing has change it time to put a end to this.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes I believe this is what they are talking about. But since Mac was very recently with Paris and since Bret is very loyal to mj, I am not worried. Maybe they got Anthonie Jackson and his moma to join them being so desperate for money they might very well get on board with them.

Anthony is also on tape praising MJ:

"Michael was more than just my cousin he was my friend, my mentor my godfather. When I was 7 years old
my father passed away a month later we lost our beloved Dee Dee. This is when Michael came into my life
and told me he would be there for me forever and he was....

He also showed me how to give back. He took me to hospitals to children, he talked to them, helped them and gave them toys
He even made his home a place where sick children could come and enjoy life.
My mother called it heaven on Earth. Neverland was the most magical place in the world ...

He was one of the most creative and bravest men to walk this Earth."

Maybe Robson fabricated phone calls with some fake MJ voice coaching him.
He probably asked Frank Cascio how they did it on Michael.

I wont hold my breath. Judges love to help their lawyer buddies earn abit more $

Robson's lawyers are contingency lawyers. They won't get a dime is there is no settlement or a liable verdict.

The Judge may give them a chance to amend the complaint. Judges tend to give Plaintiffs as many chances as possible. That wouldn't be surprising.

In this case it would be more than surprising since the new cause of actions are not supported
by law (MJ's companies were not mandatory reporters and the current law didn't exist between 1990 1997 anyway)
or facts pleaded in the complaint. There is no new info Robson didn't have when the issue negligent hiring
and supervision was first raised. And negligence per se is not a cause of action.
So what would be added?
They already claimed negligence, breach of fiduciary duty and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

 

[marc_vivien]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

10/07/2016 at 09:00 am in Department WEM, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion for Leave (TO AMEND THIRD AMENDED COMPLAINT) - Motion Granted

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:angry:

 

[HIStory]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

In this case it would be more than surprising since the new cause of actions are not supported
by law (MJ's companies were not mandatory reporters and the current law didn't exist between 1990 1997 anyway)
or facts pleaded in the complaint. There is no new info Robson didn't have when the issue negligent hiring
and supervision was first raised. And negligence per se is not a cause of action.
So what would be added?
They already claimed negligence, breach of fiduciary duty and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

As you can see the Judge granted the amendment motion. Like said it is not surprising. Judges cover themselves against a successful appeal, so they give as many chances to Plaintiff as possible. I am sure there will be a demurrer and another summary judgement where the causes of action will be discussed. I think this time it was only about whether he can or cannot amend the complaint, not about the merit of the causes of action.

 

[SarahJ]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Considering he has new lawyers maybe its not so surprising but jeez...What a mess this is.

 

[ivy]

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10/07/2016 at 09:00 am in Department WEM, Mitchell L. Beckloff, Presiding
Motion for Leave (TO AMEND THIRD AMENDED COMPLAINT) - Motion Granted

As expected.

Judge's tend to give plaintiffs all the chances they can. It has always been like this. Remember the HTWF case? All extension request was allowed, allowed them to file everything late etc. But they still lost in that instance.

Like I wrote on the blog, both amendment and it surviving demurrer is expected. But come summary judgment, it doesn't stand a chance.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

As you can see the Judge granted the amendment motion. Like said it is not surprising. Judges cover themselves against a successful appeal, so they give as many chances to Plaintiff as possible. I am sure there will be a demurrer and another summary judgement where the causes of action will be discussed. I think this time it was only about whether he can or cannot amend the complaint, not about the merit of the causes of action.

Yeah just more evidence that the American justice system doesn't give a **** about common sense.
Nevermind that they change the whole story using the exact same "evidence".
Initially the companies just knew about it but did nothing to stop it now the companies procured kids for abuse.
What a joke.

Remember the HTWF case? All extension request was allowed, allowed them to file everything late etc. But they still lost in that instance.

What is the HTWF case? And who was the judge there? Beckloff?

Like I wrote on the blog, both amendment and it surviving demurrer is expected. But come summary judgment, it doesn't stand a chance.

Why do you think this will survive demurrer? 6 months are gonna be waste on that again?
And through all that Finaldi will keep media whoring.
Did the judge set a new trial date?

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Where was this interview? Some big station?
How do you know about it?

of course it wasn't a big station. if it was it wouldn't have taken us 20+ day to hear about it. He is just doing local talk radio legal shows -which wouldn't have a lot of listeners.

A fan sent me a message asking about a second interview and when I had no idea about it, they sent me a tweet by another fan mentioning the second interview.

And if he has evidence why doesn't he reveal it right there? Geez how can people be so stupid as to not see what
they are doing?
How come that interviewer didn't ask: well if you have explosive evidence how come
you didn't mention it in the complaint and how come Robson's former lawyers didn't find it
in three years and why not just reveal what it is right here right now?

I don't know if it is just your writing style but please calm down and think before you post.

Evidence/information etc. is found during discovery process - which has started March 2016 and is/was still ongoing. You don't need to provide any evidence in your initial complaint. You make claims and it's considered to be truth until after demurrer. Furthermore depending on the protective order - meaning if an information is classified as confidential - no lawyer can mention it publicly. It can only come out during a proper legal proceeding.

I do believe Robson wanted to sneak in through the back door to get his blood money initially, but his lawyers always wanted to grandstand.

I think they assumed Estate would want it go away as quietly as possible, so that's why they filed the initial complaint sealed and hoped for a quick settlement. Now they know that didn't happen, Estate is making it very clear that they would see this through at least until summary judgment - and strongly believe they will succeed at the summary judgment.

Robson lawyers only hope now is either to pressure Estate into settlement by creating negative news or hope that they can survive summary judgment and hope Estate will prefer to settle rather than going to trial. Given their amendment try and how it will delay the summary judgment, I don't think they believe they will succeed at summary judgment. So that brings us to their most recent strategy - create as negative stories as you can while you delay the summary judgment.

Whatever "explosive" evidence he's got the estate knows about it I'm sure. So bring it on

Yep. Anything uncovered during discovery, Estate will know about it too.

Yes I believe this is what they are talking about. But since Mac was very recently with Paris and since Bret is very loyal to mj, I am not worried. Maybe they got Anthonie Jackson and his moma to join them being so desperate for money they might very well get on board with them.

No, it is not that. That they don't have any other accuser is clear from the interview that Ivy mentioned.

In the old radio show, he mentions that they believe that MJ abusing kids were a long term thing and there were a lot of kids abused. He makes a comment saying that those men abused as kids are afraid as Robson/Safechuck initially were. To me it sounded like they don't have anyone else. and his explanation is they are too afraid to come forward. If I have time, I'll type the transcript for that show too.

Robson's lawyers are contingency lawyers. They won't get a dime is there is no settlement or a liable verdict.

we don't have any info that they are contingency lawyers.

In this case it would be more than surprising since the new cause of actions are not supported
by law (MJ's companies were not mandatory reporters and the current law didn't exist between 1990 1997 anyway)
or facts pleaded in the complaint. There is no new info Robson didn't have when the issue negligent hiring
and supervision was first raised. And negligence per se is not a cause of action.
So what would be added?

just to be clear - this hearing yesterday wasn't about the merits of the claims. Those are covered under demurrer and summary judgment. Today was just about if the judge will allow them to amend the complaint or not.

 

[ivy]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yeah just more evidence that the American justice system doesn't give a **** about common sense.

Actually American justice system strongly believes everyone deserves their day in court. That's why you would see them give plaintiffs all the chances they can.

What is the HTWF case? And who was the judge there? Beckloff?

It's a case from 2009 and no Beckloff wasn't the judge. I gave it as an example because people who followed that case knows that it took 5 years and judge gave HTWF everything they asked for. It is an example to show how much chances plaintiffs gets.

Why do you think this will survive demurrer? 6 months are gonna be waste on that again?

because in a demurrer judge needs to accept all claims as true, estate can't provide counter evidence and the previous demurrer survived.

In other words limit yourself to the 4th amended complaint, forget the company information Estate added to this motion. Judge will most probably look to the claims in the complaint, where they said for example Norma should have controlled Michael and the judge's reply would be the same as previous demurrer ruling "need more info". So yeah I expect it to survive demurrer. Only at a summary judgment, where Estate can present evidence and show the company structure, I expect judge to say "nope no one could have controlled Michael, dismissed".