[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[barbee0715]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Even when he came out with this, many people were makin a mockery about him for those who saw him. I loved the late night ABC show where the two host reported it but they had an expression on their face and tone on reporting it like "whatever" as if they are not buying it". look at when MJ cd came out, people happy (and James was even more ignore). Like I said, I think most people ain't buying it and do not care but again, haters get the talking points (and who cares about internet trolls who trash everyone including babies like Blue Ivy and North west an others).

Our local ABC affiliate noon news show was on when I first heard about it-and the entertainment guy was reading the story and shaking his head incredulously, while the anchors were staring at him in disbelief and then moved on.
TMZ that night had a field day ripping him apart.

The ONLY decent press was Matt Lauer on the Today Show and then nothing-no one else called. They ALL talked about the Xscape album. I'm sure this is NOT what Wade expected at all-and why he finally had to turn to Radaronline as the only outlet that would bite.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Yep i agree not what Wade want he thought he was going to be the top story when he first came out with this not so.

I really could not understand why Matt Lauer even had him on there in the first play do not know what the Today Show was thinking of.

 

[terrell]

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Yep i agree not what Wade want he thought he was going to be the top story when he first came out with this not so.

I really could not understand why Matt Lauer even had him on there in the first play do not know what the Today Show was thinking of.

$$$$$$$$$ for the Today show. it did not work.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry but this will not fly. Bottom line, Wade DEFENDED Michael from the age of 13 and IN THE COURT OF LAW and until his death in 2009 (dancing in tributes to MJ and other things) and even defended MJ up until July 2012. That is the difference with MJ compare to Cosby and others as well. When Wade came out with his claim in 2013, Most of the AMERICAN public and media ignored this nut. Sorry but I think most people had the sense to see through that nonsense and can see through BS (in the minds of most people, MJ is dead and people need to let him rest and Wade is just looked at as a man who defended MJ but now trying to use a dead man to gain money because a dead man can not defend himself against a lie); but as usual, we give the haters the most attention.

I hope you are right. But then I run into idiots like this, yes it is a federal law enforcement officer:

http://www.statementanalysis.com/jackson/

and I just think what if biased crazies like this end up on the jury, if there is a trial?

 

[Justthefacts]

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Your not going to find people like that unless you go looking for them.

 

[#MJforever57]

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I agree you will not.

 

[redfrog]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Your not going to find people like that unless you go looking for them.

Unfortunately I find these creeps by simply reading about MJ.
I find this particular one after I clicked on a link on the LSA thread about MJ's past statements
supposedly vanishing.

 

[#MJforever57]

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Peoples are really tried of this i know we are it time to end this and let Michael rest in peace.. Why must there always be this come up all the time about Michael he was found not guilty in a court of law by his own peers. Why must we keep on going over and over this again. Wade has show us all lies on top of lies no proof that this has happen. I just pray that the judge will put a end to this nightmare and let Michael legacy be free.

WE HAD HIM


Beloveds, now we know that we know nothing, now that our bright and shining star can slip away from our fingertips like a puff of summer wind.

Without notice, our dear love can escape our doting embrace.

Sing our songs among the stars and walk our dances across the face of the moon.

In the instant that Michael is gone, we know nothing. No clocks can tell time. No oceans can rush our tides with the abrupt absence of our treasure.

Though we are many, each of us is achingly alone, piercingly alone.

Only when we confess our confusion can we remember that he was a gift to us and we did have him.

He came to us from the creator, trailing creativity in abundance.




Maya Angelou

 

[terrell]

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I hope you are right. But then I run into idiots like this, yes it is a federal law enforcement officer:

http://www.statementanalysis.com/jackson/

and I just think what if biased crazies like this end up on the jury, if there is a trial?

I've worked in law enforcement for 17 1/2 years and even many of those officers, investigators, and Sgts and Lt and one MAJOR in my office really were not buying it during the trial mid way thought it. These officers deal with people who are telling the truth and they delt with people who they know is not telling the truth.

 

[SarahJ]

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Interesting. Was it something in particular or was it just the trial in general that made them not buy into it?

 

[terrell]

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Interesting. Was it something in particular or was it just the trial in general that made them not buy into it?

It was how the reports of the family were acting plus I had this website up during the time getting the court house testimony. As one of them said when they heard about the boys' behavior in school compared to his testimony on the stand. One thing, he was claiming he wanted to be a priest. That is something that is beyond the thinking of a 13 to 14 year. When a child or teen in that age range think on that level, they often make high grades in school and are very humble and do not get into trouble. That boy Garvin was a trouble maker with teachers, putting knives in someone's back, etc. and his behavior did not match up with a child wanting to be a priest. That is a con game to use religion according to one. of course the mother's behavior. A mother who child is really molested would not have been acting in the manner in which that mother was doing. She was was snapping fingers in court, worrying about someone whispering (that means she is thinking of lies to keep in order). And when the media was claiming love letters, my Sgt really went into "questioning mode" and when they never came up, he shook his head and that case does not sound right. I can go on. but that I some of it that I remember in terms of others.

 

[SarahJ]

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Excellent point about what that person said about Gavin wanting to be a priest and his behaviour being the complete opposite. "Humble" is defiantly not a word in the Arvizo's vocabulary.

 

[ivy]

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Robson is trying to amend his complaint

Documents filed
09/09/2016 Notice of Motion (TO AMEND THE THIRD AMENDED COMPLAINT )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff

Hearing
10/07/2016 at 09:00 am in department M at 1725 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90401
Motion for Leave(TO AMEND THIRD AMENDED COMPLAINT)

 

[redfrog]

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I've worked in law enforcement for 17 1/2 years and even many of those officers, investigators, and Sgts and Lt and one MAJOR in my office really were not buying it during the trial mid way thought it. These officers deal with people who are telling the truth and they delt with people who they know is not telling the truth.

This asshole on that website clearly wanted MJ to be guilty and picked on everything he said no matter what he said.
It's hilarious how he says an innocent person would simply say "I did not do it" instead of
"I am innocent" but Sandusky said something very similar: "I didn't do those things" in the New York Times interview
and he most certainly was not innocent.

And when the media was claiming love letters, my Sgt really went into "questioning mode" and when they never came up, he shook his head and that case does not sound right. I can go on. but that I some of it that I remember in terms of others.

Damn why weren't those guys in the Santa Barbara Sheriff Department instead of the racist rednecks like Birchim, Robel Zelis Linden.
When Arvizo during his first interview with Robel and Zelis pretended he didn't know what ejaculation was they had to know he was lying. They just didn't care. Scott Ross was right. MJ wasn't investigated he was targeted. None of those bastards was punished for what they did. No one who participated in this bloody witch-hunt was punished in any way. :angry::angry:

Robson is trying to amend his complaint

Any idea what this could be?

 

[HIStory]

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That is a con game to use religion according to one.

Oh they are absolutely using religion to manipulate religious people. I remember when Gavin was asked on the stand in 2005 if MJ healed him and he said "No, Jesus healed me." That was so to manipulate the religious feelings of a presumably conservative jury. Unfortunately for him, like you said, his religious posing wasn't very credible in the light of his general behaviour.

It seems to me they still prey on religious people. Gavin married the daughter of a priest, Star dates on CatholicMatch.com. I guess they expect those people are easily manipulated with a religious facade they put on.

Robson is trying to amend his complaint

Documents filed
09/09/2016 Notice of Motion (TO AMEND THE THIRD AMENDED COMPLAINT )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff

Hearing
10/07/2016 at 09:00 am in department M at 1725 Main Street, Santa Monica, CA 90401
Motion for Leave(TO AMEND THIRD AMENDED COMPLAINT)

Ineteresting. What do you think he is trying to do?

 

[Bubs]

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How many times judge is going to allow him to amend his complaint as this one is the third one already?

Yes Ivy, your thoughts?

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Dont tell me hes suddenly remembered mj held him hostage for 20 years ?

 

[LindavG]

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This asshole on that website clearly wanted MJ to be guilty and picked on everything he said no matter what he said.
It's hilarious how he says an innocent person would simply say "I did not do it" instead of
"I am innocent" but Sandusky said something very similar: "I didn't do those things" in the New York Times interview
and he most certainly was not innocent.

An innocent person wouldn't say "I am innocent"? How bizarre. These are very serious allegations so I would expect a more emotional response than "I didn't do it". Do what? It sounds so detached, like you've been accused of stealing a bike or something. I can only imagine how desperate I would feel if I were falsely accused of a crime that could land me in prison for the rest of my life and the media and authorities were working against me. There's no way I would "simply say I didn't do it". I don't think these people even believe their own arguments half the time.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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^ Don't waste your time on haters and trying to understand their logic. I don't see the point posting their arguments here if it's not for debate for which we have a separate thread.

 

[ivy]

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Ineteresting. What do you think he is trying to do?

I don't know tbh. I'm sure Estate will object to any amendment though.

How many times judge is going to allow him to amend his complaint as this one is the third one already?

Yes Ivy, your thoughts?

Technically he only amended it once. He filed the complaint(1st), he amended it once to name the companies(2nd) and then he amended it to clarify the abuse claims(3rd). The only significant amendment was the clarification to his abuse claims IMO.

As I said above hard to guess what the amendment is about. New claims probably. I'm quite sure Estate will object to any amendment at this point.

 

[#MJforever57]

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The Estate for sure will. What more can he amend his whole case is build around the companies look like we will see some more lies. I know this judge has to listen to everything Wade is say before he makes his decision.

 

[marc_vivien]

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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/wade-robson-asks-court-add-928110


Robson claims Jackson and his inner circle "designed, developed and operated what is likely the most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known."In a graphic new complaint, choreographer Wade Robson seeks to pursue additional negligence claims against two companies formerly controlled by Michael Jackson that he says fostered nearly a decade of sexual abuse.
In 2013, Robson sued MJJ Productions, the late musician's entertainment company, and MJJ Ventures, which employed Robson and Jackson during the time of the alleged abuse. Two months ago, the choreographer brought on attorney Vince Finaldi, who filed the motion to amend after reviewing the case file. Its claims are disturbing.
"MJJ PRODUCTIONS and MJJ VENTURES were held out to the public to be businesses dedicated to creating and distributing multimedia entertainment by MICHAEL JACKSON, however, in fact, they actually served dual purposes," writes Finaldi in the complaint filed Friday. "The thinly-veiled, covert second purpose of these businesses was to operate as a child sexual abuse operation, specifically designed to locate, attract, lure and seduce child sexual abuse victims."
Robson claims Jackson and his inner circle within the two companies "designed, developed and operated what is likely the most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known."
The choreographer says he first met the late pop star when he was five years old, after winning a "dance-a-like" competition run by MJJ Productions in Australia, where Robson was born. Two years later, his family took a trip to California because Robson's dance company was performing at Disneyland. Robson's mother contacted Jackson's assistant Norma Staikos to set up a meeting, according to the complaint, which describes Staikos as "a 'madam' or 'procurer.' " The family was invited to stay at Neverland Ranch, where Robson slept in Jackson's bed while his family stayed in separate guest quarters.
It was that weekend, Robson claims, that Jackson first sexually abused him. He was seven years old.
The graphically detailed complaint describes encounters ranging from French kissing to penetrative sex. Robson claims the abuse continued until he was 14, but became less frequent when he "began showing signs of puberty" and Jackson was "no longer as interested in him sexually."
In the following years, Robson would be called to testify in a civil suit brought by Jordan Chandler and in Jackson's criminal trial. Leading up to his testimony, he says the singer called him nearly every day to coach him and " 'brain washed' him into being a 'good soldier.' " He testified that no abuse had occurred.
Robson says he loved Jackson like a father and did not believe he was sexually abused until he entered psychotherapy following a nervous breakdown in 2012. He hasn't worked since.
Now, six months prior to the scheduled trial, Finaldi wants to amend the complaint to "rectify various flaws...simplify the complaint, and plead various causes of action/allegations that were omitted from the operate complaint."
Finaldi seeks to add several negligence claims to the suit, arguing the MJJ companies "breached their duty to take reasonable protective measures to protect minor children in their charge."
He's also seeking to withdraw the causes of action of childhood sexual abuse, sexual battery, assault and battery and negligent infliction of emotional distress, as well as allegations regarding the estate.
Attorneys for MJJ have not yet responded to a request for comment.
Trial is currently scheduled for March 13.

 

[HIStory]

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^ So this is why they are changing it. To make it more salacious and sensationalist. Like said before the game of these lawyers is shock value and to play the game in the media and in the court of public opinion. So of course they need to spice up the complaint even more for that. LMAO that now they want to portray those two companies as some sort of sex abuse maffia and Norma Staikos is now being called a "madam".

"rectify various flaws...simplify the complaint, and plead various causes of action/allegations that were omitted from the operate complaint."

He's also seeking to withdraw the causes of action of childhood sexual abuse, sexual battery, assault and battery and negligent infliction of emotional distress, as well as allegations regarding the estate.

In other words they are seeking to change their allegations now. It is getting more and more ridiculous by the minute.

From a legal POV it sounds like hot air because I cannot see how all this is going to help them prove the companies had control over MJ. Even if we assume MJ set up these companies to be this "most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known", how did the companies have control over their owner? That is still the big obstacle for them.

But it seems they are trying different pleadings now too, taking away some allegations and adding new ones, also taking away some alleged causes of action and adding some new ones - perhaps to rely on other parts of the law book that they want to use now rather than just CCP 340.1. Because based on CCP 340.1 I cannot see how this is anything more than hot air legally.

BTW, the companies were such "sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organizations" that out of all children MJ was in contact with they only ever employed Robson - and that because his mother begged them for the green cards. It is just ridiculous that MJ somehow needed these companies to get in contact with children if he wanted and there is nothing that supports this outlandish claim that he did. Robson is the only kid that had anything to do with these companies.

 

[LindavG]

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So Robson has a new lawyer and suddenly he needs to "rectify various flaws" in his complaint. He only realised just now that Michael's companies were in fact part of the most sophisticated child sexual abuse organisation the world has ever known. So sophisticated that a decade-long investigation by the FBI couldn't uncover it but Mr. Finaldi could in just two months. It's laughable how transparent they are.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Just what we expected from these lawyers. No surprise. Carry on fools you just keep showing us you have nothing and are sooooo desperate for a settlement

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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This new development may mean Norma turned them down and that she isn't on their side. Now they try to discredit her. In their first story she was a bystander that had her own suspicions and warned others but now she's the coordinator of the whole thing. This complaint doesn't help their case in any other way. I now believe Norma won't cooperate with Wade's team.

Is there any legal reason not to sue these individuals who "designed, developed and operated" it?

 

[ivy]

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according to the complaint, which describes Staikos as "a 'madam' or 'procurer.'

I stifled a laugh reading this. Now remind me again who pursued who? Staikos called Robsons or Robsons called Staikos? Not that bright.

 

[HIStory]

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I stifled a laugh reading this. Now remind me again who pursued who? Staikos called Robsons or Robsons called Staikos? Not that bright.

From a prosecution motion in 2005.

Oh, and Robson's own complaint (maybe they are seeking to change this story now as well ).

 

[Bubs]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

"The thinly-veiled, covert second purpose of these businesses was to operate as a child sexual abuse operation, specifically designed to locate, attract, lure and seduce child sexual abuse victims."
Robson claims Jackson and his inner circle within the two companies "designed, developed and operated what is likely the most sophisticated public child sexual abuse procurement and facilitation organization the world has known."

I'm actually speechless and cannot say anything else other than they are off their rockers :doh:

 

[elusive moonwalker]

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Well at least norma hasnt sold mj out. Certainly one thing we can see from this is that she had told them where to go