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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
I share your sentiment. The Estate's passivity in matters like this is disastrous.

BTW, I wonder how all these artists are feeling about their art now being called "child porn" by the world wide media. Like this guy, Simen Johan, who is the author of Room to Play:



https://www.brown.edu/campus-life/arts/bell-gallery/exhibitions/simen-johan-until-kingdom-comes

It's actually an attrocity against them too. Since if MJ kept "child porn" by having such books then the people who made the book are "child pornographers". Would Radar Online dare to claim it? Maybe we should get some of these photographers sue Radar for slander. :p
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Maybe it would be intresting to make these and the other authors aware of whats been said about their work.seeing as the estate is not intrested they be another way of defending mj by defending themselved
 
elusive moonwalker;4152994 said:
Maybe it would be intresting to make these and the other authors aware of whats been said about their work.seeing as the estate is not intrested they be another way of defending mj by defending themselved
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I have been thinking about that. I found Simen Johan's Facebook. I think that's him. https://www.facebook.com/simen.johan?fref=ts

His book Room To Play was described in this manner by the media. This is from the Daily Beast.

Radar alleges that a sex book called Room to Play—which included a photo of murdered child beauty queen Jon Benet Ramsay with a rope around her neck—was among items found.
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Even if MJ cannot sue for slander but I think these artists could.

Ed Templeton (The Golden Age of Neglect): https://www.facebook.com/edtempletonofficial/?fref=ts

Jake and Dinos Chapman (The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extremes): https://www.facebook.com/jakeanddinoschapman/?fref=ts

Not sure how to approach them with this.
 
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HIStoric;4152936 said:
I see people compare them all the time not necessarily because they're black (though that may be a factor for some no doubt), but mostly because they're both "rich celebrities" who can apparently "pay their way out", have influence and all that crap yada yada.
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It is said that well-off celebrities can commit misdeeds & most of the time can get away with it.

But, in MJ’s case, nothing that would have linked him with those 2005 allegations was ever proven. So, the lack of evidence along with other crucial parameters (such as Arvizo’s family lying pattern in previous cases) should leave no room for doubt regarding MJ’s acquittal (regardless of being a fan of him, or not).

gerryevans;4152954 said:
In MJ's case, the person MJ was accused of harming actually took the stand on his own behalf, testified and was questioned, and was proven to be lying.

I'm not putting it as eloquently as that poster did, but he made a great point in that Gavin, the supposed victim, is what helped to clear MJ because of what came out of his own lying mouth. The only victim in the MJ case was MJ.
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The whole Arvizo’s family testimony (during the 2005 trial) was full of inaccuracies/lies, not just Gavin’s one. For example, Star’s testimony (the only so-called witness of what allegedly happened) proved to be disastrous for the prosecution. His explanations (while he was being cross-examined) did not even tally with what he had already officially testified before the trial, while his reasons for those mismatches were really hilarious.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

MattyJam said:
The way I look at it, the fans - who are the ones most well informed about this case - know he's innocent and will continue to fight his corner. We are an army and we are not small in numbers. The bigots, haters and tabloid readers will continue to believe in his guilt and as for the neutral folk, well, there's no great loss there.

Don't worry about MJ's legacy. As long as there are millions of people who love his music and believe in his character, then his legacy will be just fine. It has endured far worse than this.
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To be honest it seems to be "the Kardashian" era of people that are mainly tweeting this story, and to me I'd have a higher regard for a lead rod than those type of people. The most frustrating thing about all of this is the estate's lack of aggression. Why must it always seem like the fans are the only people who care about someone that we didn't even know in person? Wasn't John Branca supposed to be a great friend? Man he's really turned out to be an out and out pr1ck
 
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Brenda Harvey Richie ?@BrendaRichie 19 p19 perccel ezel?tt There is a special place in Hell for all those making up lies about Michael Jackson. KARMA WILL GET YOU!
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Right.

Unfortunately fans a part of of the problem too.
Tabloids are never going to go away as long as there are ignorant people who believes in tabloid stories, but fans feeding tabloids by clicking (even if it is to post defence comment on Michael's behalf) is one click win for these tabloids. If there is a 1 positive article of MJ and 1 negative, guess which one wins by amount of clicks?
The negative one, not only because tabloid junkies reads those stories, but fans flocking there to argue with the content and other people.
When tabloids see the traffic for this kind of articles, they just keep posting more rubbish because thats what sells + they get Michael's fans posting to their site.

I read other fans twitter posts and couldn't believe my eyes! They are posting links to these articles with comments, but don't they realise that tabloids don't see their comments but see that their article is shared - thus fans actively participating lynching of Michael in the media.

Every time there is a this kind of article (or MJ paid 200 mil hush money), fans seem to think it will be the end of Michael's memory and legacy, but no, it didn't happen after that article, it didn't happen after trial, and it is not going to happen this time either.

In 3 days time, this story will be past and he still is Michael Jackson, like he was before this rubbish story.
 
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respect77 said:
I have been thinking about that. I found Simen Johan's Facebook. I think that's him. https://www.facebook.com/simen.johan?fref=ts

His book Room To Play was described in this manner by the media. This is from the Daily Beast.



Even if MJ cannot sue for slander but I think these artists could.

Ed Templeton (The Golden Age of Neglect): https://www.facebook.com/edtempletonofficial/?fref=ts

Jake and Dinos Chapman (The Fourth Sex: Adolescent Extremes): https://www.facebook.com/jakeanddinoschapman/?fref=ts

Not sure how to approach them with this.
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It would be nice if those book artists will sue them but dont hold your breath cuz they wont.

Speaking of which i know taj is saying he is gonna take legal action bout this but untill i see him actually do it im not holding my breathe either with that
 
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Judd Apatow ?@JuddApatow 6h6 hours ago
Why wasn't the Michael Jackson evidence used in the trial? Hard to believe they wouldn't have used it if it exists.

Somebody replied to him something rubbish in which he replied:
Judd Apatow ?@JuddApatow 5h5 hours ago
I am not defending him. Just asking a question. Maybe someone has an answer.


More people should be asking that question to themselves.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Maybe the children could sue for having to hear these lies perpetuated time after time concerning their beloved father. Hate how they can get away with this garbage time after time.
 
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I just read through this thread and wanted to say THANKS to everyone for posting news!! :)
I'm so angry right now, angry and sad. This is a deliberate move against Michael, particularly b/c June 25. I'm gutted.
 
I do not understand this:

The photography books in question, to my knowledge, are all books that have been published as art books by legal publishing houses and maybe can still be bought. So how can they be qualified as illegal porn / containing illegal animal torture by the media?

Maybe I´m naive ... but the tabloid media must think very low of its readers ...
 
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MJ Estate should call a press conference and strongly deny the RO article, pointing out the fact that such monstrous lies are spreading like cancer, totally destroy the stuff about child porn and torture, and cite the commnets of the people from the various articles and reply with the strong stress on the facts, refute the BS people think of the trial, the HUSH MONEY and fictitious victims, why MJ was not convicted of any federal crime and so on...

This is beyond anything thinkable.

This mega conspiracy campaing agaainst MJ is the continuing attemt how to degrade and destroy MJs legacy that is making billions. repeating the same BS, portraying the evidence in the worst way possible is not a coincidence.
All the stuff was shown and presednted in court, no child porn, no torture no BS like RADAR "reported" from the source that is known...
 
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... and maybe... someone should call or ask the members of the jury for some comments.
they are the only one who can destroy the mega tabloid BS
 
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Funny how to taj its OUR life and OUR side. Why does the intitlement complex seem to get into everything.

Its mjs life and his side.

At the end of the day the estate isnt bothered because mj has proved time and time again that no matter what is thrown at him he still sells. and making money is all that matters to the estate. We love him as a human and his legacy as a human matters more to us than whether the estate makes 100 mill or 200. The estate will only care when money making is effected.they dont care other wise
 
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ILoveHIStory said:
MJ Estate should call a press conference and strongly deny the RO article, pointing out the fact that such monstrous lies are spreading like cancer, totally destroy the stuff about child porn and torture, and city the commnets of the people from the various articles and reply with the strong stress on the facts, refute the BS people think of the trial, the HUSH MONEY and fictitious victims, why MJ was not convicted of any federal crime and so on...

This is beyond anything thinkable.

This mega conspiracy campaing agaainst MJ is the continuing attemt how to degrade and destroy MJs legacy that is making billions. repeating the same BS, portraying the evidence in the worst way possible is not a coincidence.
All the stuff was shown and presednted in court, no child porn, no torture no BS like RADAR "reported" from the source that is known...
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Wishful thinking but aint gonna happen
The estate definitely not into press conferences lol
 
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what makes me sick is that most people dont consider the circumstances... like... all the stuff had been found.... like... all around the rooms..., like a pedo kept such stuff on the shelves, or that people have totally bought the situation that MJ lived without his kids and the children clothes, socks, pants.... were the victims things, or that MJ just paid whoever.... and the Chandler settlement was part of the trial and thats why he was not convicted.

as I can see, MJ fans dont fight for MJ, I know, its frustrating, but.... if not MJ estate, who else should?
 
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His family!! His kids!!!
 
moonstruck87;4153015 said:
I do not understand this:

The photography books in question, to my knowledge, are all books that have been published as art books by legal publishing houses and maybe can still be bought. So how can they be qualified as illegal porn / containing illegal animal torture by the media?

Maybe I´m naive ... but the tabloid media must think very low of its readers ...
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Well, they are very right to think so very low of their readers, aren't they? I mean, look at this story. Don't most people believe it just because they read it? Doesn't it spread like wildfire? Many people are easily manipulated and the media knows it.

ILoveHIStory;4153021 said:
as I can see, MJ fans dont fight for MJ, I know, its frustrating, but.... if not MJ estate, who else should?
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Many fans fight, actually it is only fans who fight when it comes to this. Not MJ's family, not the Estate, no one else. Well, Mesereau. But fans are not enough. Fans will be dismissed by some just on the basis that they are fans, even if everything they say is the truth. When the average Joe who has no idea about the case sees Ron Zonen, the prosecutor in the 2005 case, talk BS on the case that's a much bigger authority to him than MJ fans. He will automatically assume fans are biased and Zonen is someone who can be trusted and who is some sort of unbiased source. They have no idea this was the right-hand man of Tom Sneddon who had a personal vendetta against MJ and who apparently now inherited that personal vendetta. They have no idea that he is by no means an unbiased and credible source. He is telling prosecution theories, not proven facts. And he is rehashing prosecution claims and theories that have been long refuted at a criminal trial, yet now he is selling them in the media as the truth. But the average Joe won't see all that. He will just see a law enforcement guy who was close to the case "so sure he must be knowledagble about it and sure he must be telling the truth" vs. fans about whom he will automatically assume they are biased, blinded by devotion etc. so are not to be trusted.

So frankly, we need allies. People who can be out there speaking with knowledge and authority about the cases. Mesereau is the only one at the moment, but he has his job and his life, and we cannot expect him to be always the one who fights and refutes BS. It should be the most natural thing to MJ's Estate to be out there and doing it as well, but they don't seem to give a damn. So fans are basically all alone in this with Mez who does his best but cannot always be there. Such an incredibly sad situation.

If the Estate is unable to properly communicate situations like this they need to hire a PR expert or team. They sure have the money for that.
 
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I have to say that usually I'm happy with the estate's way of dealing with things. But in this case I, too, expected much more. This media crap storm has reached such a magnitude, I don't think we've seen anything like it since 2003-2005.

Of course, they're here to take care of Michael's financiall stuff, but they should defend Michael's legacy as well (which includes that he is a human being). Every human being should be treated with respect, furthermore, if this human being was tried in court and walked out a free man. I understand that they can't take any legal actions against the tabloids. If that's so, it's a shame but there's nothing that can be done about it. However, they could defend him much more vigorously, hold a press conference, defend Michael, basically protect him since he can't do it himself any more.

The estate is the official representative of Michael Jackson. Why do we fans have to fight on our own, rely on ourselves, Mesereau, the family, whoever, instead of the estate putting their feet down?

This has reached a tabloid crap level that's just intolerable.
 
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I rarely ever get involved in these things in my personal life. But this story being picked up by a lot of supposedly reputable agencies is incredibly depressing. For me, ignoring it tends to be the best way - not adding fuel to the fire, as it were. But this is a step too far...again.

With that in mind, I just posted this to Facebook. What little effect it will have, but we all need to do our bit I guess.

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respect, I must say, your posts in here are wonderful. So intelligent, and informative. Keep going.
 
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I, too, can only say thanks for all the amazing research and news in this thread!!! If no one's defending Michael, we will!!!
 
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This song reminds me of Michael. I think it is very relevant now. :cry:

 
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Ya'll seen the lastest pic they say was his "sex room" .???...bwhahahaha :toofunny: :toofunny:
 
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Never invited me ?
 
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Makes me so angry right now all these tabloid things! I've been defending Michael in the comment sections with all argumentations I could and hope it will help a bit. So unfair and unjust :( And his children do have to hear all these things as well :( So unfair. He's dead and can't even say anything to their false allegations.
 
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Is it just my impression or is this a huge campaign, trying to destroy Michael's image yet again? (I can't remember having read this kind of sh** in that magnitude after 2005, until now)
Cause.. we've seen many tabloid articles over the past years, many of them trying to slander him. But this thing seems planned. And normally I'm not into conspiracies, but if you look at the frequency RadarOnline is feeding their readers with new articles and new alleged 'scandals'.. it all seems to build up to some greater purpose, either June 25th or the Wade Robson case.

Can anybody give me a short summary of the Robson case? How are these things connected? Why is his legal team so desperate at the moment? Are there any court hearings/decisions to be made in the near future?

To be honest, I thought nothing would come out of those allegations and a possible trial, so I didn't follow the news.
 
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Seems to be passing over on the Twitter machine. Just moronic kids retweeting retweeted tweets now at this point looking for likes and retweets.
 
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I'm a bit curious where TMZ is in all of this. As far as I know they've been pretty quiet.
 
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