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[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
And Safechuck took the idea of childporn from the haters too, because of those two books, and then the stories those liars resold to tabloids claiming they'd seen it and that MJ would play it in the theaters.
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Yes, you are right it were the Le Marques who claimed that and actually it was mentioned in that horrible fake FBI files article in 2013. Knowing that Robson's lawyers followed that story with great interest it is very possible that it was an inspiration for Safechuck's story.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

respect77 said:
You know they are desperate when they need such things to catch Mesereau in a "lie" and they have to obsess over that so much.
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Yup they went to great lengths to prove he lied - except he just made a mistake and meant Spence, someone they had no idea about, but my friend found out.

Though their website is a riot with how they still cling to all the lies told by the prosecution even when the prosecution conceded many of them weren't true by the end themselves (!!!) or got exposed completely by the end... the hater's website still uses those as facts.

respect77 said:
Yes, you are right it were the Le Marques who claimed that and actually it was mentioned in that horrible fake FBI files article in 2013. Knowing that Robson's lawyers followed that story with great interest it is very possible that it was an inspiration for Safechuck's story.
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That's why I think Safechuck ran with it, because it was in a major story he would've had to hand when he decided to cash in. I'm sure he saw and read it, as they likely included his name there as one of the supposed payouts. Then the hater's website tries to make it seem like MJ also had child porn, so it's another thing to make him believe there was easy proof of his claims.

It's so easy to see their workings out. If they were kids at school they would be expelled for copying other people's homework.

Stuff like this does make me wonder about what else they've done in their lives - who else they may have lied to over something. People capable of this are capable of anything.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Justthefacts said:
I'm of the opinion that the judge issued his ruling and we just don't know what is
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Even though we can't know for sure at this point, I'm of the same opinion. Not that I think he ruled in WR's favour however. It's all just guess work at this point.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
Though their website is a riot with how they still cling to all the lies told by the prosecution even when the prosecution conceded many of them weren't true by the end themselves (!!!) or got exposed completely by the end... the hater's website still uses those as facts.
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I'm glad I've never run across it. And again glad you all are out there to set things straight. It makes me sick that people who might be discovering Michael for the first time would read that trash.

I'm not a confrontational person at all and I hate arguing. But stuff about him can set me off into a rage. I see ignorant comments on Discuss sometimes and I cant help but correct them.

Sometimes people thank me but sometimes I get emails and people want to fight it out. I won't do it-they're just trying to rile me up, which is really easy to do.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
Yup they went to great lengths to prove he lied - except he just made a mistake and meant Spence, someone they had no idea about, but my friend found out.
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You mean your friend was the one who made that interview with Marion Spence in 2013?
 
Music Producer Says ‘Michael Jackson Was Like Pied Piper To Children’

The late-great, King of Pop had many famous children over at Neverland Ranch, including musical hit maker and producer, [lastfm]Mark Ronson[/lastfm]. Ronson (who has worked with some of the best modern musicians) used to be a regular at [lastfm]Michael Jackson’s [/lastfm]infamous sleep-overs.
Mark Ronson–the musician/producer/DJ who helped make pop musicians like [lastfm]Lily Allen [/lastfm] and [lastfm]Amy Winehouse [/lastfm]famous–was extremely fond of Michael Jackson but as a kid was too embarrassed to tell his friends that he and his mate, Sean Lennon (John Lennon’s son), would go to the King of Pop’s abode. He explained: If I bragged about it I knew that one of two things would happen: a) the kids would think that I was full of s**t or b) they would think I was obnoxious and I’d get a slap for it. All in all, it was better to say nothing.
Despite that, Super-producer Mark Ronson had a great time and elaborates on what it was like to be a kid at Neverland Ranch:
All kids love Michael Jackson, he had some sort of effect. I would watch footage of him when I was older and you’d see these kids of 12 and 13 who weren’t even born the last time he put out a good album but they’d be screaming and fainting. It’s just so crazy that in some ways he was like this magical Pied Piper.He was just like a big kid. He just seemed like a kid that never really got to grow up.

Mark Ronson tried to get Michael Jackson to watch porn during a childhood sleepover.

"It's a weird story, but I didn't touch him," revealed the musician who, living in the US as a child, met Jackson through John Lennon's son, Sean.

"We just went and stayed at his (Sean's) house and it seemed okay at the time," he said. "I think it's still okay. Unless I'm going to be in therapy in four years' time!"

Ronson, in an interview for tomorrow's Sunday Night Project on Channel 4, added: "We were just hanging out, we used to watch the porn channel because we were like ten and, 'Oh my God, tits!'

"Me and Sean said 'Michael do you want to see something cool?' We turned the dial to the porn channel and there were strippers shaking their tits around. We were like, 'Michael, Michael how cool is this?'

"We turned around and he was cringing saying, 'Ooh stop it, stop it, ooh it's so silly.' He was not down with the program whatsoever. I think he just had really strong feminist views on porn and the use of it."


Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/celebri...ed-porn-to-michael-jackson.html#ixzz3avLbwKbx
Follow us: @digitalspy on Twitter | digitalspyuk on Facebook

Safechuck and Robson are out of their minds and are too money grubbing, without any talent whatsoever!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

AliCat said:
Mark Ronson tried to get Michael Jackson to watch porn during a childhood sleepover.

"It's a weird story, but I didn't touch him," revealed the musician who, living in the US as a child, met Jackson through John Lennon's son, Sean.

"We just went and stayed at his (Sean's) house and it seemed okay at the time," he said. "I think it's still okay. Unless I'm going to be in therapy in four years' time!"

Ronson, in an interview for tomorrow's Sunday Night Project on Channel 4, added: "We were just hanging out, we used to watch the porn channel because we were like ten and, 'Oh my God, tits!'

"Me and Sean said 'Michael do you want to see something cool?' We turned the dial to the porn channel and there were strippers shaking their tits around. We were like, 'Michael, Michael how cool is this?'

"We turned around and he was cringing saying, 'Ooh stop it, stop it, ooh it's so silly.' He was not down with the program whatsoever. I think he just had really strong feminist views on porn and the use of it."


Read more: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/celebri...ed-porn-to-michael-jackson.html#ixzz3avLbwKbx
Follow us: @digitalspy on Twitter | digitalspyuk on Facebook

Safechuck and Robson are out of their minds and are too money grubbing, without any talent whatsoever!
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Certainly would like to see them explain how the very same man was so eager to show porn to them.
Oh the difference is Ronson has no reason to lie.
Safechuck Robson and Arvizo did.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

la_cienega said:
Stuff like this does make me wonder about what else they've done in their lives - who else they may have lied to over something. People capable of this are capable of anything.
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Oh, definitely. We actually did hear things about Wade (the Britney Spears thing, his cousin saying on a forum: "when he does something wrong he will never apologize, when it's clearly his fault. he always has to get things his way no matter what, even if it hurts other people", Joy being proud of him for snatching others' girlfriends etc.). So we have seen a glimpse of his character. And the whole family are fakes IMO. Smiling in your face but stabbing you in the back. Now I am looking at their so called "friendship" towards MJ with different eyes. I think they were never his true friends, they were just using him as long as they could and now that they cannot use him in one way they are trying to use him in another.

I would not want to be friends with either the Robsons or the Safechucks. If they are capable of doing this to someone who was as good to them as MJ they are capable of doing it to anyone when there is enough benefit for them in it and if they feel they can get away with it.
 
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castor said:
Certainly would like to see them explain how the very same man was so eager to show porn to them.
Oh the difference is Ronson has no reason to lie.
Safechuck Robson and Arvizo did.
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Reading this reminded me that I forgot Mark Ronson was a friend of Michael's in childhood.

A+ Ronson, four for you! Stick up for Michael :)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

so what's going on?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

He (the accuser's brother) also said Jackson had a suitcase full of pornographic magazines that he would show the boys. The boy identified the black case when Santa Barbara County District Attorney Tom Sneddon showed it to him (the accuser's brother) in court.

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10114371


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And they found some other things, a briefcase that didn't belong to him that had some Playboys in it or something.

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MICHAEL JACKSON'S LAWYER, BOB SANGER, TALKS TO WEST COAST SOUND ABOUT THE POP STAR, HIS LIFE -- AND HIS READING HABITS
http://www.laweekly.com/music/micha...-star-his-life-and-his-reading-habits-2411515
 
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AliCat said:
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MICHAEL JACKSON'S LAWYER, BOB SANGER, TALKS TO WEST COAST SOUND ABOUT THE POP STAR, HIS LIFE -- AND HIS READING HABITS
http://www.laweekly.com/music/micha...-star-his-life-and-his-reading-habits-2411515
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The lawyer's comments about MJ's kindness reminds me of what Robson said when MJ died:

"He is the reason I dance, the reason I make music, and one of the main reasons I believe in the pure goodness of human kind."


And now he desecrates his memory. I don't know if karma really exists or not. Too many bad things happen to good people for me to ever really figure it all out about karma. But I sure hope there is some truth to it in Robson/Safechuck's case. May they truly reap what they sow.
 
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I hate interviews like that because it still is always used in such a bad light and to make MJ sound bad but...

"Unless I'm going to be in therapy in four years' time!"
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So much shade about Wade/Safechuck and their recent discoveries via therapy - 4 years was the time since MJ died and Wade realized he was a "victim" via therapy. So much shade.
 
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I also think that, Michael had feminist views, I really hope this whole mess will end soon!
 
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This is getting ridiculous... C'mon, judge! :bored2:
 
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Doo Doo Head said:
This is getting ridiculous... C'mon, judge! :bored2:
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This has been going on for 2 years, and people in this thread easily dismissed this case in less than a day
 
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analogue said:
This has been going on for 2 years, and people in this thread easily dismissed this case in less than a day
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I have done so, too, but it'd be still nice to get a definitive end to this crap.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Is this a new 'Wade Creations' film? (Made 'in collaboration with the Hawaii State Chapter of Children's Justice Centres')

Mandated Reporter's of Child Abuse - A Training Film

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHUTSE-_G6s

The children's laughter on the track reminds me a bit of ' The Lost Children', and the heavily intercut talking heads are vaguely reminiscent of the end of 'Black or White'. The film mentions statute of limitations at about 10.35
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, it is created by "Wade Robson Creations". He makes me wanna throw up with this fake "victim" persona he created for himself. One has to be such a cynical, evil person to further victimize real victims of child by using them for his own agenda to get rich in underhanded ways.

It's been watched by 10 people since May 16. I bet 8 of those are MJ fans just to see what he is up to. His most successful film so far is the "Adaptations Dance Theater. Just Desserts Soiree Teaser" one with some 1700 views. (Probably because that theater has its own fan base.) Most have just 5-20 views. Hopefully this is about the success level his works will have.

The video is about mandated reporters of child abuse BTW, nothing that is directly related to his case - in case someone doesn't want to watch it.
 
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Think I'll pass on that one thanks. Well he's not exactly breaking records for views than is he? In spite of what he thinks, Wade is simply not a director or film maker and I really don't believe he's gonna really succeed there. Contrary to what he thinks of himself (and I have no doubt he still does), Steven Spielberg has got nothing to worry about.

He's so arrogant and self-serving that I think in time he'll wind up indirectly exposing his own lies. I wonder how long before he tries to slip some choreography, dance moves in there.
 
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This picture and the Josh Duggar story just reminds me of the hypocrisy of American society.

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So here's JB sleeping with his little sister. Cuddling with her in bed.
But it's OK since she is his sister.
Because after all brothers never molest their sisters.
Oh wait..

But if this happens that's just wrong because they are not related and that makes molestation so much more likely. Why? Because they are sharing a bed.
If it was a bench it's OK. But if it's a bed it's not OK.

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What about a car?

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It looks like judge might have ruled about Robson probate claim, but treat it as unconfirmed until we have more news/info. Remember a lot of issues are handled under probate case, it is hard to tell what is what at times.
 
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ivy said:
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It looks like judge might have ruled about Robson probate claim, but treat it as unconfirmed until we have more news/info. Remember a lot of issues are handled under probate case, it is hard to tell what is what at times.
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Hopefully is the news we have been waiting for:pray:

So if this is the ruling, we would get the info today? Any fans in LA who could run to court house to check that ruling:)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I'm thinking media will report it most probably. We'll see.
 
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I'm going to have to try not to get too anxious while we wait for news. :timer:
Lord let it be the right decision.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

SarahJ said:
I'm going to have to try not to get too anxious while we wait for news. :timer:
Lord let it be the right decision.
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I second your prayer above. TMZ usually has people standing by at the courthouse. Maybe something will come out in the next couple of hours.
 
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^
yep still 20 minutes until courthouse opens. I'm hopeful that media will report it by the end of today - if it is Robson ruling of course.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson / James Safechuck file claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Please God let justice prevail once again. I'm going to try my hardest and do like Michael said and "keep the faith".
 
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Hopefully we dont have to wait any longer for the ruling and i hope the judge will dismiss the case.
 
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