[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^^Because Stacy Brown is mentally ill person and there are still some media outlets with dignity.

On different note, i was reading someones twitter and found this, proof that Stacy is certifiable (officially recognized as needing treatment for mental disorder)

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Hands up who wants to be SB:smilerolleyes:


LOL, yeah we all want to be this guy:

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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Sorry those who say the estate need not to comment on this article to not bring attention to it are really delusional. The claims are running all over the world and being reported as UNDISPUTED FACTS by news channels. Keep convincing yourself it has no value. Yes cases are won in courts by releasing a statement pointing out how ridiculous and discredited the claims are , emphasizing that the source is a creepy tabloid reporter would at least make people think twice.

all over the world? I haven't heard it in my part of the world I guess.. Weitzman made a statement and of course the media won't post it.. It's been this way with MJ for the past 40 years.. Just like the trial.. He went to trial and was completely exonerated.. Did that matter? Stupid folks will believe what they want.. Anyone who has ever followed this mess knows it's bs..If there was this kind of evidence, believe me Sneddon and crew would've been so happy to use it.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:yes: I wonder why that is. Could it be they are finally aware such silly lies are without any merit whatsoever?

Did I just read that Ms. Diane Diamond herself somehow defended Michael? Did hell just froze over or something? Wow, this is completely amazing. I wonder what other miracles can happen.........
No, I don't think that's what it is. I think their just playing a waiting game. Hedging their bets so to speak.
 
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In this case I have seen the story on a number of non-tabloid websites, unfortunately. The good thing is that the majority of the comments under it are in favour of MJ though.


well that's good because people know that MJ was investigated by a racist and rogue DA for 20 years and if there was any such evidence he would've used it.,
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, I agree. Frankly, they should hire a professional PR team or person to handle such issues. Now this is all over the news, in the mainstream media, not only tabloids and they treat it as if it's fact. Instead of Weitzman just making a comment on Entertainment Tonight they should issue an official statement and send it out to all media and demand them to publish it.

Totally agree. The $200m story is in the broadsheets now - the times and the independent. Not even the fbi file story which was so damaging managed that - it just plays exactly into this massive issue of historic child sex abuse coverups that's dominated the news in the uk for the past few years. And weitzman just reacts to this story that has gone round the world with a statement, days late, to some american entertainment programme, at least he doesn't use it as an opportunity to plug cirque like last time. The independent article this morning actually says it reached out to the estate for a comment on the allegations. I guess they're still in bed. Myth becomes fact if repeated often enough, we've seen it time and time again. It would be great if the estate could take this to the new complaint procedure set up late last year, IPSO. It is a provable lie that lawyers will claim $200m hush money, the discovery wade asked for will not show that. I want stacey nailed on that.
https://www.ipso.co.uk/IPSO/makeacomplaint.html

... but we are confident that the truth will prevail in the end, just as it did in 2005 when a jury fully exonerated him."
Howard Weitzman

We can only hope that they finish Wade, Safejunk and Stacy where it matters the most - court room.

^?The estate can only react fully to these allegations if the cases go ahead to full trial. In my view they haven't a hope in hell of going ahead because they're clearly in breach of the time limits. In these hearings the estate lawyers and the judge have to treat everything that wade/jimmy allege (ie the abuse) as true (but not deductions and conclusions). So we're not going to get a rebuttal of abuse allegations in court. The arguments are going to be along the lines of exactly when the 2 men claim they realised they were abused, when they filed, if the companies could have controlled mj's behaviour, did the abuse arise out of employment with mj prods, did the company employees know about the abuse blah blah. For sure the judge will hopefully make comments about all the contradictions and nonsense in the claims of not realising you've been abused and be scathing of wade's perjury issues and hopefully the estate will draw major attention about there being no secret settlements they were asked about in discovery. But why weitzman would suggest we'd get 'the truth' and vindication of mj like in 05 i've really no idea. I guarantee the spin from the media will be that the cases are thrown out on a timelimit technicality, not to do with the fact that they offer a barely coherent bizarre narrative. It's what happens after the cases are dismissed which makes me nervous.
 
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No, I don't think that's what it is. I think their just playing a waiting game. Hedging their bets so to speak.
I totally agree. If this is allowed to go to trial, then the mainstream press will be all over it. Michael's name simply brings into too much money (ratings).

GMA mentioned him and showed his pix in 2 totally unrelated stories just this morning.

Has anyone heard if the hearing is today and not Thursday?
 
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When is the hearing? today or tomorrow ? Not that it would make any difference. The judge is enjoying the attention.
 
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Dear God,
I ask that you bless Michael in heaven and his children here on earth. I ask that the truth prevails and the evil intentions of wade and Safechuck are exposed and shown to be liars and backstabbers they are.
I ask that all those who have sinned against Michael face their punishment. I pRay for all who love Michael and all who fight for him. AMEN.
 
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I don't know how to link, but there is a new article on the vindication 2.0 of MJ. It's call "Long Ago and Far Away". John Branca and Bert Fields sued the Glove and won for FORGERY.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Vindication 2.0 Michael Jackson "long Ago and Far Away, The Secret Pay Off. By Lynadel50 1993 Globe magazine.
 
We are aware of recent false 'reports' regarding Michael Jackson having, among other things, paid over $200 million to 20 'victims,'" Weitzman told ET in a statement on Monday. "There is not a shred of evidence to support these ludicrous 'reports.' It is unfortunate that, even in death, Michael cannot be free of these types of allegations, but we are confident that the truth will prevail in the end, just as it did in 2005 when a jury fully exonerated him.
Howard Weitzman


This statement is horrifying.

Regarding every word not bolded: the Estate filed a UK PCC complaint regarding the FBI article which some felt AEG was behind at the time. The Estate must have felt pressured and wanted to exert a measure of control because fans filed complaints and Charles Thomson and Taj Jackson were encouraged to file as well. The Estate’s complaint superseded the other complaints and then the Estate allowed their complaint to lapse.

The Estate has shown no interest in attempting to protect Michael’s image (or his children) through media and I do not see them pursuing an IPSO complaint either unless they want to exert control over other complaints as they did with the UK PCC complaint. I find it interesting that Weitzman would speak against the current false report and state: "even in death, Michael cannot be free of these types of allegations," but, will take no action against it through a formal complaint.

The most shocking and most disappointing statement Weitzman made was bolded above. Michael was vindicated in a criminal trial in 2005. How dare Weitzman suggest these claims are anything less than an attempt to fleece MJ Estate? These claims are NOT about Michael; they are about the vulnerability of Michael's assets but, I assume Weitzman will not fault his employer because Michael has always been the easier target.

Why Weitzman believes truth would prevail in a civil trial where Michael is accused of criminal acts after he has passed is confusing. Truth prevailed in the criminal trial with the Arvisos. It did not prevail previously with the Chandlers when Michael was alive. Weitzman is aware the only reason for settlement was that Cochran could not guarantee Michael success in a civil trial because Michael would have been found liable in a civil trial; guaranteed.

There is NO valid reason for these claims to be approved and it is disappointing to see Weitzman suggest otherwise. If approved it will destroy the MJ Estate however; Weitzman will be richer for it. The legal teams are the only beneficiaries in this instance.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Aussie's Michael Jackson case delayed
PETER MITCHELL AAP APRIL 08, 2015 4:01AM

AUSTRALIAN dance choreographer Wade Robson will have to wait a few more months to find out if he can pursue a slice of alleged sexual abuser Michael Jackson's $US1.5 billion ($A2.0 billion) estate.

LEGAL teams for Robson, another alleged Jackson victim, James Safechuck, and the late King of Pop's estate were scheduled to appear before Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Mitchell Beckloff on Tuesday.

However, the court date was pushed back to May.
Robson and Safechuck missed a statutory deadline when they filed their claims more than a year after Jackson's 2009 death and Judge Beckloff will rule if their cases can proceed.
Robson, 32, and Safechuck, 36, both allege Jackson abused them when they were children.
A lawyer for Jackson's estate, Howard Weitzman, has labelled Robson's delayed allegations as "outrageous and pathetic"

http://www.themercury.com.au/news/b...son-case-delayed/story-fnj6ehik-1227295008188
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Call me crazy but I personally think there wasn't a hearing today. May hearings show on the calendar. April 7 never did.
 
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What about April 10?
 
Soundmind;4084805 said:
What about April 10?

that's on the calendar, that's the one TMZ tried to get streaming permission. We'll see. Perhaps some other media would report about today too. The only one reporting right now is AAP - Australian AP . He does sound like a hearing happened so I dunno. Hopefully we'll get more details

Peter Mitchell @AAPinLA · 54m 54 minutes ago
Aust choreographer Wade Robson's LA court case against Michael Jackson's estate adjourned. Story on @AAPNewswire
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If you believe Pearl JR, she called the court house today and she says this:
I just called the public information desk 213 830 0801 for Los Angeles Superior Court where the Robson/Safechuck case is being heard and I was told the hearing was cancelled and there is no reschedule date at this time and she said she is SURE about that. There was talk of May but nothing confirmed. I am so glad I didn't go!!!!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I don't. And it was scheduled for the 10th. Did she check the 10th too? not.
 
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^ I don't. And it was scheduled for the 10th. Did she check the 10th too? not.

yes nothing for the 10th either.. This is what she says:

Yes, nothing else scheduled. Here's the number if you want to call 213 633 0351 that's Judge Mitchell Beckloff's courtroom and the public Information office is 213 830 0801
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^Ok then. Not too worried about it though. Not like there's a settlement like she will try to say soon.
 
I'm hearing that now haters try to use that claim by Marc Schaffel in 2006 as evidence for secret pay-offs, so here is some information about that:

[h=1]Did Michael Jackson pay “hush-money” for a family in Brazil in 2003?[/h]No. This is yet another “hush-money” story that has no factual evidence. The story originates from Jackson’s former associate Marc Schaffel. Schaffel formerly worked as an advisor for the star but in 2006 after he stopped working for Jackson he sued him claiming he owed him $1.6 million, then later $3.8 million, for various endeavors he worked on for the pop star. Jackson counter-sued him claiming that Schaffel owed him money too. At the end Schaffel was awarded some of his demands and Jackson too was awarded some of his.

The relevant thing for our purpose is that during the civil trial of that case in an attempt to get the case settled, Schaffel, out of the blue, made a claim of $300,000 that he never claimed before. Then he made his rounds in the media – and especially fed articles written by Roger Friedman for Fox News – in which he suggested or downright claimed that this was some sort of secret “hush money” pay-off in November 2003 on the behalf of Jackson for a family in Brazil who “felt ther child was abused by the pop star” [1].

In another article written by Friedman a couple of days later the story got more confusing. Now Friedman claimed that Jackson wanted to adopt 3-4-year-old children from Brazil, a boy and a girl, and "the $300,000 secret payment that I told you about last week was going to be used for this adoption. When that didn’t work out, the money (already in Brazil) was subsequently used to buy the continued silence of a family Jackson had quietly paid off years earlier when they claimed he’d had inappropriate relations with their son"[2].

In each case the articles end with what seems like a thinly vieled attempt to blackmail the star into a settlement or else Schaffel would make more allegations which could potentially harm Jackson’s reputation:

“The Schaffel case continues Thursday in Santa Monica, although I cannot understand why Jackson doesn’t borrow the money and settle out of court. More testimony in this direction, no matter how oblique, cannot be good for him.” [1]


“There’s more to this story, and it only gets worse. The reason all this is coming out, of course, is because the Schaffel v. Jackson trial continues without a settlement. The reason for this can be only one of two things: Jackson is either getting the worst advice ever from lawyers, who are also billing him at top dollar, or he simply doesn’t have the cash on hand to settle the case.
My guess is it’s both, and before this trial is over, Michael Jackson’s reputation will be even more thoroughly damaged than it was last year.” [2]


Despite of these threats Jackson refused to settle the case and there was a verdict which awarded money to both Schaffel and Jackson. However, the above mentioned mysterious $300,000 claim was one of Schaffel’s claims that the jury deemed unfounded.

In actuality, we learn from an Associated Press report that forensic accountant, Jan Goren testified that he had no reason to believe this allaged payment ever took place.

“Jan Goren, who showed jurors how he traced millions of dollars through the various bank accounts of F. Marc Schaffel, also said he found no substantiation for a $300,000 payment Schaffel claimed he provided to a mysterious “Mr. X” in South America on Jackson’s behalf.” [3]


“On the purported delivering of $300,000 to “Mr. X” in South America, Goren testified that Schaffel never claimed the amount until this year and “there is no check, no moneys leaving a bank … no bank statements, no ledgers.”
“I have nothing that corroborates it from a documentary point of view,” he said.
He noted that the entry was coded “EFT,” which refers to an electronic fund transfer to another account. But he said the amount was never transferred to or from any account.
“My conclusion on this is it is not a valid claim,” Goren said.” [3]


During Goren's cross examination Schaffel's lawyer, Howard King tried to prove this claim by showing a receipt of a withdrawal of $258,000 from a Hungarian bank. However, the date of the withdrawal was three years before Schaffel claimed this supposed pay-off took place. The sum did not match, the place did not match, the date did not match.

On the issue of the $300,000, King asked if Goren had seen a receipt from a Hungarian bank.

“No, you can show me,” said Goren.
But it wasn’t until redirect examination by Mundell that the receipt was displayed in court. It showed a withdrawal of $258,000 from a Hungarian bank three years before Schaffel claims he was dispatched to South America on a mission for Jackson.
“Of course this does not influence my opinion,” Goren said. “This transaction took place three years before. So what? How does it end up in South America? I don’t see the connection at all.” [3]

It appears that Schaffel threw in this claim simply to try to blackmail Jackson into a settlement by threatening him with bad publicity.

Sources:


[1] Roger Friedman – *****’s Big Secret: $300,000 Payoff to Another Family (FoxNews.com, July 6, 2006)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/07/06/*****-big-secret-300000-payoff-to-another-family/
[2] Roger Friedman - Michael Jackson Tried to Adopt Brazilian Babies (FoxNews.com, July 10, 2006)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/07/10/michael-jackson-tried-to-adopt-brazilian-babies/
[3] Linda Deutsch - Accountant Disputes Claims Against Jackson (Associated Press, 13th July 2006)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

:blink:too much spare time
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Schaffel was an ass.. Unbelievable that Debbie Rowe hooked up with him after all the robbing and slandering he did against MJ.. Michael had crooks upon crooks around him.,. May he RIP!! And 300,000 is a long way away from 200 million dollars don't you think?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I think MS said he thinks Michael is innocent years after he got fired so I don't think they have a valid point using his name.
 
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I think MS said he thinks Michael is innocent years after he got fired so I don't think they have a valid point using his name.

Yes, he said in Sullivan's book he never saw anything that gave him a reason to think MJ molested children - or something to that effect. Nowadays he likes to pretend he never pulled that despicable stunt in 2006.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Yes, he said in Sullivan's book he never saw anything that gave him a reason to think MJ molested children - or something to that effect. Nowadays he likes to pretend he never pulled that despicable stunt in 2006.


Oh yeah after MJ passed, he suddenly got amnesia and forgot all about it.. I hate him and the rest of them
 
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Yes, he said in Sullivan's book he never saw anything that gave him a reason to think MJ molested children - or something to that effect. Nowadays he likes to pretend he never pulled that despicable stunt in 2006.

What was it really all about? blackmailing MJ with bad press?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It's there in the article.

I see.. Yeah ok. Stupid man, blackmailing MJ with bad press never really worked. Nice try. I think those haters know exactly what it was really all about. For them to dig this BS from almost 10 years ago show how desperate they are for something remotely close to a proof.
 
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