[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[barbee0715]

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Truth is not an absolute in journalism anymore from tabloid to mainstream media. Profits are.
And those who knew Michael personally and worked with him etc..need to start speaking up and use positive PR to try to help his image with the public. Which in my opinion they don't do nearly enough of.

Well, you said it right there about journalism in this day and age. The world has just become sad and pathetic. I suppose there's always the hope that someone else will join them, because Robson was able to get Safechuck on board, didn't he?

I'm sure it's because of the laws about defaming the dead and there is no such thing-however, I still think something can and should be done about this because it is affecting the living and their health, livelihood, and well being.

 

[barbee0715]

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There's been talk about this in one of the pro MJ groups I'm in and someone posted this document:

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/032205mjmemospprtobj.pdf

I'd like to let them know that a settlement can't be forced by an insurance company but I'll need to be able to prove that, I fell for that initially too. I think the other arguments in that document are fine, but is there anything in the law codes that states an insurance company can't force a settlement?

Can't or can? I always had a part of me that thought an insurance company couldn't force a settlement-that you had to agree. But I'm on the board of our condo homeowner's association and we have been fighting a lawsuit for about two years where one of the owners was bitten by a dog and she sued us.
Then all of a sudden, last year, the insurance company settled. Bam. Not one of us on the board had voted to settle. Every time it came up we had voted to continue fighting it.

 

[MJresearcher]

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Can't or can? I always had a part of me that thought an insurance company couldn't force a settlement-that you had to agree. But I'm on the board of our condo homeowner's association and we have been fighting a lawsuit for about two years where one of the owners was bitten by a dog and she sued us.
Then all of a sudden, last year, the insurance company settled. Bam. Not one of us on the board had voted to settle. Every time it came up we had voted to continue fighting it.

Wow, that's a bit disturbing. Maybe it's different for things like that, I'm not exactly sure how it works legally when insurance is involved with civil claims.

 

[barbee0715]

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Wow, that's a bit disturbing. Maybe it's different for things like that, I'm not exactly sure how it works legally when insurance is involved with civil claims.

It is, isn't it? And it took my brain about 20 seconds to think about the Chandler case. I had read that the insurance company had forced the settlement for so many years (probably one of the things that led me to this forum), but I never really believed it.

So I started questioning the pres here to make sure if I heard it right and how could they do that? He told me that the insurance company had enough after two years and just settled it to cut costs. Of course, it came out of OUR money.

(Oh, and I actually had given a deposition saying that I had seen this lady antagonize this dog for a couple of years, personally. So there was NO way I was agreeing to pay her).

 

[mdiegee210]

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20 people $200 million when these so call victims comes forward and say they were paid millions of dollars to keep quiet, get a warrant and check their bank accounts and check with the IRS.

 

[rsggamer123]

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so we'll know whether or not it gets thrown out within the next few days?

 

[barbee0715]

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so we'll know whether or not it gets thrown out within the next few days?

I sure hope so. And I also hope that if it gets thrown out of probate court, the rest will just fall apart.

 

[jaydom7]

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Stacy is posting that old News of the World story which was debunked 2 years ago.,. I bet they have no clue who these 20 alleged families are sitting on that much cash because as we all know they don't exist.. If Sneddon and the FBI would've had that evidence believe me they would've used it. It never existed and it still doesn't to this day.

 

[barbee0715]

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17 women accused Cosby still Stacy was fired for lying . But with MJ he knows no one would touch him. Please no one tells me the estate cant sue him. Of course they can, he is definitely causing them to lose earnings. Why dont the kids sue ? I cant believe how passive everyone is.

Oh, Stacy wasn't fired. He wrote that piece about Cosby for the New York Post and obviously they just posted another one of his stories. I think he's freelance and sells individual stories.

He did get fired from another job in another state, but that was for some kind of concert fraud that involved the newspaper he was working for.

 

[HIStory]

There's been talk about this in one of the pro MJ groups I'm in and someone posted this document:

http://www.sbscpublicaccess.org/docs/ctdocs/032205mjmemospprtobj.pdf

I'd like to let them know that a settlement can't be forced by an insurance company but I'll need to be able to prove that, I fell for that initially too. I think the other arguments in that document are fine, but is there anything in the law codes that states an insurance company can't force a settlement?

The whole settlement-insurance debate is a moot point here. That's not what we are talking about. A settlement is not "hush money". It would have been hush money if MJ had paid it before the Chandlers went public with their allegations.

The claim here is that Michael secretly paid off 20 families to not to go public/to authroties. And actually the Chandler's story shows why that is not true. The Chandlers wanted nothing more than MJ paying them off to not to go to authorities, but Michael refused. If he did it all the time, if he paid off boys left and right then why did he not do the same with the Chandlers who begged him for a pay-off?

From the Chandlers' book:

I just want to find out what’s going on between you two,” Evan explained. “You don’t need a lawyer. We can work this out ourselves.”

Michael wouldn’t budge: Pellicano or Fields had to attend.

“We may talk about some embarrassing things for both of you,” Evan cautioned.

“Anything you say to me, you can say to Bert,” Michael insisted.

“But I don’t think anyone else should hear these things. I don’t want you to get in trouble. I just…” Click.

This phone call was a turning point for Evan. “I understood that a man in Michael’s position needed lawyers for everything, but this was not business, not to me. I really thought we could work it out if we could get all the lawyers out of the picture, and I thought Michael would want that too. If I wasn’t bringing a lawyer, why did he need one?” [1; page 100]

“Fields and Pellicano already knew Evan was willing to negotiate. Why not pay him off and nip the nightmare in the bud while you’ve got the opportunity? Especially when you know your man is guilty of sleeping with little boys, at least. Not only do you avoid a civil suit, but also, more important, you buy your way around authorities by removing their star witness. Ten, twenty, thirty million? Money’s no object. The deal could be a fait accompli within hours. And if it doesn’t work, you can always come out swingin’ anyway.” [1; page 126]

On the morning of August 17, 1993, as he negotiated with Barry Rothman, Anthony Pellicano had in his possession a copy of the psychiatrists report with the names omitted. He held in his hand the future of the most famous entertainer in human history. Yet the tape is replete with examples of Pellicano refusing to compromise on what would amount to chump change to Jackson. Why take the chance of Michael’s name ending up on that report and triggering an investigation?” [1; page 138]

 

[SarahJ]

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Can't or can? I always had a part of me that thought an insurance company couldn't force a settlement-that you had to agree. But I'm on the board of our condo homeowner's association and we have been fighting a lawsuit for about two years where one of the owners was bitten by a dog and she sued us.
Then all of a sudden, last year, the insurance company settled. Bam. Not one of us on the board had voted to settle. Every time it came up we had voted to continue fighting it.

Unbelievable.

Perhaps it depends as well on who the insurance company was. I doubt MJ had only one policy. I imagine he must have had multiple policies through different and various business relationships. Maybe there was some influence there. And wasn't there something about them going through Jams? I'll have to refresh myself on how that works since it was awhile ago that I read it.

 

[Amaya]

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The increase in interest in this case has me nervous. It reminds me of how the press suddenly began hyping up the end of the AEG trial. Do these people know something that we don't?

It's definitely reassuring to see the arguments showing why the claims made in the article are bullshit. I just wish everyone else could see and realize it too, especially this judge.

 

[HIStory]

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The increase in interest in this case has me nervous. It reminds me of how the press suddenly began hyping up the end of the AEG trial. Do these people know something that we don't?

What would they know if they do not even know what is in actual public court documents? I mean the claims made in these articles contradict even these accusers' own stories. Robson and Safechuck have never claimed to have received hush money from Michael. So how come that not even one of these accuers who ever accused him claim they received hush money to not to go public, yet we are supposed to have 20 other somewhere who did, but whom no one ever saw or found? Not Sneddon, not the FBI, not Robson/Safechuck's lawyers, not the media.

That does not mean though that there cannot be an allience between Stacy Brown and the Robson/Safechuck camp. In terms of raising bad publicity that's all they need: the bad publicity. They do not need to directly tell Brown what to write, just that it should raise bad publicity and put pressure on the Estate to settle. Brown is sloppy enough to write an article that is not even consistent with Robson/Safechuck's claim, but I doubt the Robson/Safechuck camp cares much about that. They only care about the pressure that such "journalistic" activity can put on the Estate.

 

[somewhereinthedark]

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Stacy Brown is ignorant trash. He is obsessed with Michael in a disturbing, UN-NATURAL way. Seriously, I would be afraid for Stacy to be around any child of mine, and I feel like vomiting when I hear his name or see his face. It's disgusting that Stacy Brown is allowed to even breathe the same air as normal people do.:censored

 

[HIStory]

Here is what Robson's lawyer said almost immediately after that 2013 fake FBI files story by the Sunday People:

Choreographer Robson’s litigation counsel Maryann R. Marzano of Gradstein & Marzano said: 'These revelations confirm what we've been saying: that Michael Jackson was a pedophile and Wade Robson was one of his victims.
'To continue to deny this, defies both common sense and common decency.'
A source close to Wade added: 'The information in these files could provide many leads both for witnesses in the case and background information on deals we may never have heard of before.
'Wade wants his lawyers to go through the papers page by page.

Yet, in their complaints and court papers there is no mention of any hush money to anyone, so it's safe to say that just like Sneddon and the FBI before them they did not find anything there. Not that I am surprised.

 

[MattyJam]

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Stay strong guys and don't let the media hyperbole scare you. It's all a crock of shit.


I'm done caring. If WR and JS get the green light to go ahead with their case and the media jump all over this I'm not going to be following this circus. I can't do it for a third time.


I know it's all crap, I've seen the media and shady-ass lawyers manipulate and twist the truth for years now. If there was a single shred of truth to any of the allegations then they would never have had to resort to such dirty tactics in the first place.


Of course, I understand some fans fears. But Michael's legacy is strong and there will always be a place in this world for TRUTH, even if some ignorant fools choose to fall for the medias spin.

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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^ It's messed up if it gets a green light and could call other assholes to sue dead people for alleged sexual abuse that can not be proven.

 

[jaydom7]

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There is no way this should get the green light considering the statute of limitations is 3 years passed the law and also the issue of knowing about the estate and the administration of it.. Wade said he wasn't aware of it which is a bold faced lie because he did the Opus which was greenlighted by the estate and he wanted to work on the Cirque De Solelil which was being done by the estate. His behind is on video talking about working for his 'mentor' and making sure the show was going to be good.. Hopefully the estate has all of this information. I am sure they do since Wade spent about 25 years praising MJ.-_-

 

[HIStory]

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Stay strong guys and don't let the media hyperbole scare you. It's all a crock of shit.


I'm done caring. If WR and JS get the green light to go ahead with their case and the media jump all over this I'm not going to be following this circus. I can't do it for a third time.


I know it's all crap, I've seen the media and shady-ass lawyers manipulate and twist the truth for years now. If there was a single shred of truth to any of the allegations then they would never have had to resort to such dirty tactics in the first place.


Of course, I understand some fans fears. But Michael's legacy is strong and there will always be a place in this world for TRUTH, even if some ignorant fools choose to fall for the medias spin.

Yes, I agree. It's just frustrating to see how quickly lies ALWAYS spread while it's a struggle to get the truth out there.

I really want to know what's in it for the media so that they want to see MJ's legacy be destroyed so bad. What is it REALLY about? What's at stake for these people? Why can't there be truthful reporting about him? You don't have to be pro-MJ. Just be truthful and factual. And do due diligence before you publish something, for God's sake! Whatever happened with that? Not even the easiest diligence is done, such as reading real court docs. They just rehash any crap someone else wrote if it's salacious enough.

Is it all about the mighty $$$? We have seen Alan Duke's turnaround, as soon as he was paid by Radar Online which carries a pro-Robson agenda the tune of his articles changed immediately and became very pro-Robson/anti-MJ. There just does not seem to be any integerity and honesty and professional standards and principles left in the media world any more. Everything is about $$$ and nothing has to be true if it generates money. Just awful.

It's like the media created this whole alternative reality about MJ. It does not even have to be consistent with accusers' or prosecutor's claims any more. Who cares about court docs when you can make the ignorant public believe whatever you write? Who cares when you know your target audience won't check out sources they will just accept spoon feeding from you whatever you claim? It's just Michael Jackson after all, claim that in court it came out he was an alien and your readers will believe it.

 

[Stranger]

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I haven't commented on this thread yet because I just can't understand how they can put Michael's children through this. It just makes me despair. Thank you all for the updates. Hope it gets thrown out very soon

 

[Paris78]

Taj Jackson @tajjackson3 · April 6th

Dear media, before you print/post stories about my family, please consider & question the "credibility" and "agenda" of your $ource. Thanks

 

[HIStory]

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From last September

 

[Justthefacts]

Stacy Brown is nothing more than a . He is nothing more than a so called black man who wants to be accepted by people so bad that he has no problem trashing another black person. Does not matter to him if he is lying he wants to be like them. But don&#8217;t worry his day is coming one day he is going to get his wake up call. Some of you here may not agree with me but I don&#8217;tcare this is now I see Stacy Brown<o></o>

 

[InvincibleMJ]

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I don't pay much attention to Stacy Brown, I think he's too extreme and anyone whos close to the subject is aware of that. DD is the same. The problem is that other jourlnalists don't do their job.

 

[HIStory]

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And this was in November 2013.

Of course, it's not true. The only settlement that was not let in was the one with Jordan because he did not testify. But that one is not about $200 million and not to 20 "victims" and not "hush money". There was no evidence of "hush money" to 20 victims ever offered by the prosecution. Stacy just pulls things out of his arse. And this is coming from a guy who could not be bothered to even check out recent court docs and is spreading tabloid misinformation instead of what is really in the court docs (eg. RadarOnline's claim about Katherine). But are we supposed to believe that he would know anything about 2005 court docs? LOL. Those court docs are publicly available. There is no claim in them about $200 million paid to 20 victims. And you know the Judge would only be able to rule out offered evidence if there were motions requesting their admission. But there is none about $200 million hush money/settlements to 20 "victims".

 

[barbee0715]

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It's like the media created this whole alternative reality about MJ. It does not even have to be consistent with accusers' or prosecutor's claims any more. Who cares about court docs when you can make the ignorant public believe whatever you write? Who cares when you know your target audience won't check out sources they will just accept spoon feeding from you whatever you claim? It's just Michael Jackson after all, claim that in court it came out he was an alien and your readers will believe it.

Truer statement never made. Takes me back to the 80s when my co workers told me they read Michael bought Elephant man bones, or changed his skin and I'd laugh along for years until I realized they were dead serious. I just assumed it was joking. And of course it went from bad to worse than worse.

Media is like this with everything now. You don't know what's spin. You don't know what agenda they're promoting.
About the govt , the economy, war, anything.

 

[SarahJ]

And then there is this little item on the two news investigators looking into the milk industry and bovine growth hormone and it health risks. After being fired by Fox news and launching a law suit, on appeal the Appeal Court overturned the decision that had been in favour of the reporters.

From 2003

"During their appeal, Fox asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so."

http://www.projectcensored.org/11-the-media-can-legally-lie/

 

[barbee0715]

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And of course you have today the breaking news about Rolling Stone and their fabricated "rape on campus" story.
And every mainstream anchor is screaming disgust and what happened to ethics in journalism.

 

[SarahJ]

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Bit selective on that "ethics" bit aren't they?

 

[jaydom7]

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And of course you have today the breaking news about Rolling Stone and their fabricated "rape on campus" story.
And every mainstream anchor is screaming disgust and what happened to ethics in journalism.

seriously? like they are ethical.. I guess I was not following that story. Did Rollingstone falsely accuse someone of rape and then wrote a story about it even though it was false?