[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

If wade does go to media if this lawsuit doesnt go ahead it will make him look bad a especially since no one has paid attention to his case anyway

No, it won't. He'll be playing the "MJ got away with it because he's rich and famous" card, which many people love to believe.

 

[8701girl]

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No, it won't. He'll be playing the "MJ got away with it because he's rich and famous" card, which many people love to believe.

thing is though that card has been plyed out so many times ppl dont even belive that anymore and since no one has been paying attention to wade it seems no one cares

 

[HIStory]

About that book that Wade recommended on his Facebook, Victims No Longer. There is a book on Google Books (Victims of Memory: Incest Accusations and Shattered Lives) which downright calls Victims No Longer the male equivalent of The Courage To Heal. The Courage to Heal is a very controversial book which deals mainly with incest and female survivors. It promotes some very dangerous ideas and practices which can lead to false memories and false allegations. For example that book I found writes this:

About Mike Lew, the author of the book, Victims No Longer, that Wade recommended:

Here you can read more from the Victims of Memory: Incest Accusations and Shattered Lives book: http://books.google.hu/books?id=yxU...e&q=victims no longer courage to heal&f=false

So Wade's book is considered the male version of Courage to Heal, with the very similar basic idea that if someone has no recollection of pieces of their childhood or that if their childhood is remembered as "too perfect" then it's likely that sexual abuse happened and "memories" about sexual abuse need to be planted - I'm sorry, "recovered"...

Even some support groups warn against Courage to Heal:http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/d...-to-heal-isnt-on-my-recommended-reading-list/

Why The Courage to Heal Isn’t on My Recommended Reading List

The Courage to Heal is a self-help book – “A Guide for Women Survivors of Child Sexual Abuse” – that has enjoyed widespread popularity among both those living with Dissociative Identity Disorder and many of their treatment providers since its first publication in 1988. I first read it six years ago and found it helpful in some ways. But subsequent readings have illuminated for me the book’s biggest flaw: its reckless approach to traumatic memory.

"If you are unable to remember any specific instances [of abuse] but still have a feeling that something abusive happened to you, it probably did." – The Courage to Heal, 1st edition

A Hunch Isn’t A Traumatic Memory

Thanks in large part to Laura Davis and Ellen Bass, authors of The Courage to Heal, this if-you-suspect-it-happened-then-it-probably-did idea is still circulating among pockets of Dissociative Identity Disorder treatment providers and sufferers. While I respect instinct, referring to hunches as memories is at best absurd and at worst dangerous. There is no scientific data to support something so disturbingly reminiscent of witch hunt logic and in fact, there’s plenty of research that speaks to the opposite.

So these are the type of books Wade is into. Interesting.

 

[Petrarose]

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Respect well that is the perfect book for Wade, since I see people with a disorder find it useful ^^. Now I see why he talked about his truth, and formulated his sentences in the way he did. He allowed these types of books to coach him. I wonder if he realizes attorneys could read these books and pick out the parts that Wade has lifted from its contents? Anyone remember when Thomas was being investigated to be on the Supreme Court? During the hearing, Anita Hill came forward and said that Thomas said specific sexual statements to her (can't remember the exact words now). Anyway, Thomas' people immediately went to the library and did some research on some sex videos (in those days it was VCRs). When one of Thomas' supporters had to give evidence, he mentioned that video and claimed what Anita had said had come from it. So their implication was that the incident never happened to Anita, but that she was looking at porno herself and used that idea. Now Wade running around looking for the contents of books and people's experiences to imitate, is going to backfire on him.

Personally I am wondering about the psyche of the authors of that book.

 

[8701girl]

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About that book that Wade recommended on his Facebook, Victims No Longer. There is a book on Google Books (Victims of Memory: Incest Accusations and Shattered Lives) which downright calls Victims No Longer the male equivalent of The Courage To Heal. The Courage to Heal is a very controversial book which deals mainly with incest and female survivors. It promotes some very dangerous ideas and practices which can lead to false memories and false allegations. For example that book I found writes this:

About Mike Lew, the author of the book, Victims No Longer, that Wade recommended:

Here you can read more from the Victims of Memory: Incest Accusations and Shattered Lives book: http://books.google.hu/books?id=yxU...e&q=victims no longer courage to heal&f=false

So Wade's book is considered the male version of Courage to Heal, with the very similar basic idea that if someone has no recollection of pieces of their childhood or that if their childhood is remembered as "too perfect" then it's likely that sexual abuse happened and "memories" about sexual abuse need to be planted - I'm sorry, "recovered"...

Even some support groups warn against Courage to Heal:http://www.healthyplace.com/blogs/d...-to-heal-isnt-on-my-recommended-reading-list/



So these are the type of books Wade is into. Interesting.

Gosh it seems wade is obessed bout these kinds of books which is disturbing cuz it makes him look :crazy:

 

[la_cienega]

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Does anyone have a screencap of Wade recommending this book?

I bought it and it really does focus almost exclusively about incest to the point the original title mentioned incest specifically.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Victims-No-...375875888&sr=1-4&keywords="victims+no+longer"

It mentions how victims can be triggered by the birth of their son as they think about how they don't want their kids to go through that, sound familiar?

There's a whole chapter devoted to "holistic" approaches to dealing with abuse, including body therapy (triggering yourself with certain touches/massages - which sounds disturbing to me) and prayer/meditation and even hypnosis. Wonder which things he's tried so far and we can see why his crazy holistic charity felt reasonable to him. Is he so detached from reality he couldn't see how bad an idea it was though?

They have a whole chapter in this book basically encouraging people to try and remember abuse, with the opening quoting someone saying, "Wouldn't I remember if I had been sexually abused?" and basically going into how no, you wouldn't, it mentions it repeatedly actually.

I actually can't see how much of the book can really be useful for Wade as surely there are more recent and comprehensive books out there that deal with abuse specifically involving the type he claims? It seems odd to me that a therapist would recommend him this book and not others, and if they didn't then it comes across like he picked the first one out of a pile - and it also makes me wonder if he picked up the Courage To Heal book along with it.

Anyway, I'd like to have a screencap of him recommending it, because I think it could be useful for the estate.

 

[HIStory]

About the author of Wade's book. Here is an interview with him: http://www.survivorsmanchester.org.uk/interview-mike-lew/

When did you come to think about writing Victims No Longer?

Actually, I didn’t think about writing the book. When I first began working with survivors, male and female, in my private practice, there was very little information available about male sexual victimisation. Most of what was available was incorrect and unhelpful. In addition to running groups for male survivors, I was doing a lot of public speaking to anyone who would listen: media, community groups, schools, churches, etc. That led to an appearance on the Oprah Winfrey Show. Back in 1987, it was the first nationally televised show about non-offending adult male survivors. Three courageous male survivors told their stories on the show. It required courage, because in the 80s people were not talking about these issues.I was there as the designated “expert”. It was a bit odd, as I didn’t know very much. I guess I just knew more than many of my colleagues at the time. I also had the good sense to do a lot of listening, and let the real experts – the male survivors – talk about their lives.

The program was shown live. Immediately after the show I returned to Boston from the Chicago studio. There were a number of messages on my answering machine, one from an editor/publisher in New York City saying that he wanted me to write a book. I returned his call, replying that I am not a writer, had never written anything substantial in my life, least of all a book. He asked me to come to NYC and talk with him. I did, and we wrangled about it a bit.

I said I couldn’t do it. He said he thought I could, and would help. I said I’d try. He added that it should be a book for both men and women – because there weren’t enough male survivors to provide an audience for a book. I disagreed and he relented.

I returned to Boston, bought my first computer, asked my then 12 year old niece to teach me how to use it (which she did with a lot of eye-rolling), and began the task.

Why?

Clearly there was a need. No one else seemed to be taking on the job, so I reckoned I would try. If I couldn’t manage it, at least I would have tried. The need for resources was great. Something encouraging and supportive had to be offered to male survivors – hope and useful resources – to contradict misinformation and lies.

So even he admits that he wasn't really an expert (the article itself puts the word expert in quotation marks) and he didn't know much when he went on Oprah. He says: "I guess I just knew more than many of my colleagues at the time." And who determines that?

And then within one year after the Oprah show he wrote a book at the urging of a publisher. Even though the writer admits he wasn't really an expert and didn't know much at the time.

I wonder how much this guy really is qualified. From another article it seems he started as a Cultural Antropologist and then went on to have training in counseling.

As a cultural anthropologist specializing in the field of Culture and Personality (Psychological Anthropology), he worked with the late Margaret Mead and Colin Turnbull. After further training in Counseling Psychology, he became a leading expert on recovery from sexual child abuse, particularly issues of male survivors.

http://www.nextstepcounseling.org/bios2.htm

 

[HIStory]

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I keep myself reminded that Wade does not claim repressed/recovered memories. He says he knew it all along just was unable or unwilling to understand it. I guess while they plotted he and his lawyer realized how fishy recovered memories are considered by now. But then he reads and recommends such books which encourage people to "remember" abuse even if they had no such memories and this whole insight-oriented therapy that he says he went through also looks similar to me to some recovered "memory" practicies.

Because of the calculatedness of his moves and because of how focused they are on money I think he does it on purpose and mainly for money and for Michael failing him with his prophecy (in Wade's sick mind). But I wonder if by reading such books and following their practices (like visualizing abuse etc.) he tries to convince himself that something really did happen, in order not to feel himself the shitty person that he is.

Wade's problem is thought that, just like even Harvey Levin of TMZ pointed it out, in his case and given the fact that Michael has been publicly accused of child molestation since 1993, he was on trial etc., even repressed memories would make more sense than this whole "I was unable/unwilling to understand it" crap.

 

[la_cienega]

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But I wonder if by reading such books and following their practices (like visualizing abuse etc.) he tries to convince himself that something really did happen, in order not to feel himself the shitty person that he is.

It struck me as this is what he's likely doing, not just to convince himself to make it seem real, but also to help with his stories. He wants to make the whole thing seem like he lived it, so if he goes back into his head and enters the times he was with MJ he can try and construct some ways for how it could've happened without anyone knowing, and these techniques could be used for that.

It's obvious already he's taking some true things and mixing them up - Spielberg, MJ encouraging him, I can believe MJ told him how everyone was saying they did all this "disgusting stuff" and they didn't, etc and then using them amongst his stories.

 

[Petrarose]

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Does anyone have a screencap of Wade recommending this book?

I bought it and it really does focus almost exclusively about incest to the point the original title mentioned incest specifically.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Victims-No-...375875888&sr=1-4&keywords="victims+no+longer"

It mentions how victims can be triggered by the birth of their son as they think about how they don't want their kids to go through that, sound familiar?

There's a whole chapter devoted to "holistic" approaches to dealing with abuse, including body therapy (triggering yourself with certain touches/massages - which sounds disturbing to me) and prayer/meditation and even hypnosis. Wonder which things he's tried so far and we can see why his crazy holistic charity felt reasonable to him. Is he so detached from reality he couldn't see how bad an idea it was though?

They have a whole chapter in this book basically encouraging people to try and remember abuse, with the opening quoting someone saying, "Wouldn't I remember if I had been sexually abused?" and basically going into how no, you wouldn't, it mentions it repeatedly actually.

I actually can't see how much of the book can really be useful for Wade as surely there are more recent and comprehensive books out there that deal with abuse specifically involving the type he claims? It seems odd to me that a therapist would recommend him this book and not others, and if they didn't then it comes across like he picked the first one out of a pile - and it also makes me wonder if he picked up the Courage To Heal book along with it.

Anyway, I'd like to have a screencap of him recommending it, because I think it could be useful for the estate.

I think you have found some significant parts that Wade took from this book. This incest thing has me thinking. I remember we wondered if Wade was abused by his dad, after we found out about the dad. Now could it be that someone in the family abused Wade, so he is interested in incest? If I was an attorney I could make a lot out of this. Putting together his actions, words, and the type of material he reads can present a very unsettling story about Wade.

Respect that information from the author is so typical of a lot of the self-help authors out there. I notice too that a lot of them try to come up with some 'theory' or "method" of to help their clients, in order to make their book and its contents stand out from among the generic publications out there.

 

[la_cienega]

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I think you have found some significant parts that Wade took from this book. This incest thing has me thinking. I remember we wondered if Wade was abused by his dad, after we found out about the dad. Now could it be that someone in the family abused Wade, so he is interested in incest? If I was an attorney I could make a lot out of this. Putting together his actions, words, and the type of material he reads can present a very unsettling story about Wade.

Yes, it's exactly what I thought.

His cousin's words and this book could lead to any questions being asked about it on the witness stand. I'm not kidding either 90% of this book is about incest - it strikes me as very odd a therapist would recommend this book to him and not others catered more to his own abuse (makes me wonder how informed any therapist was if they did that, like it's the only book on make sexual victims they ever remembered) or if it's a book he selected himself, then again it strikes me as the kind of book you find listed on top of a pile of "old" books about abuse (like a list compiled in the early 90s or something), and it's odd to me he wouldn't seek out books to do with the abuse he claims, which is a friend of the family.

There are many books dealing with abuse now, why would you need to settle on reading one that doesn't directly talk about your own experiences?

If this make it to trial Jonathan's comments and this book could be used to raise the question if it was Wade's father who abused him.

 

[8701girl]

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He wants to make the whole thing seem like he lived it

Wade is seriously sick in the head

 

[Petrarose]

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^^He can't show he lived it. For him to do that he has to bring himself down to a level of consciousness where he can FEEL someone's pain and then he will be able to act out the emotions of someone who has been abused. Also, if he has empathy for others, he will be able to do this. However, he is too pompous, like a great talent all the way up there who is untouchable, so he cannot feel what the abused person is going through. That is why he speaks the words but his affect, tone, and behavior lack the emotional component. Close the books, Wade--they won't do you any good. I suggest you join an acting class instead.

 

[8701girl]

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^^He can't show he lived it. For him to do that he has to bring himself down to a level of consciousness where he can FEEL someone's pain and then he will be able to act out the emotions of someone who has been abused. Also, if he has empathy for others, he will be able to do this. However, he is too pompous, like a great talent all the way up there who is untouchable, so he cannot feel what the abused person is going through. That is why he speaks the words but his affect, tone, and behavior lack the emotional component. Close the books, Wade--they won't do you any good. I suggest you join an acting class instead.

Acting classes are too good for him

 

[seany]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

So is this thing going to trial? Anyone know when and will it be a public event? I just want it to be dead and buried already.

 

[HIStory]

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^ We don't know yet if it goes to trial. The hearings continue in September.

 

[Petrarose]

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Well based on how long the Johnson, De Mann, thome cases took to move from one stage to the next, I guess this will be another slow moving case. To me from the time the judge saw the reply from the estate saying that Wade did business with them, so he knew the estate existed, the judge should have made the hearings close together so he could throw this thing out. On the other hand Billie Jeans got court dates, so I guess I should not expect much. I have a feeling the judge will allow the case to go to trial. I hope I am wrong though.

 

[peace.love.mj]

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If it goes to trial (I pray it doesn't!) what do you guys think the Estate will do? Go to court and fight it or give Wade what he wants ($) to make him go away?

 

[HIStory]

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To pay Wade off would be the worst idea ever. Then this will never end and there will be other guys trying the same thing.

 

[Snow White luvs Peter Pan]

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^That's why the Fracias, Arvizos and now Robson came because they thought, oh Chandler got a 15 million easy pay-out, we can accuse Michael with no proof whatsoever because we know the DA has/had an obsession and vendetta against him.

 

[8701girl]

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If it goes to trial (I pray it doesn't!) what do you guys think the Estate will do? Go to court and fight it or give Wade what he wants ($) to make him go away?

If they pay wade off i will be so mad

 

[qbee]

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After seeing the Katherine vs AEG trial, I'm not upset at all MJ didn't go to trial over the 93 allegations. It is not like a criminal trial where anything has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and there isn't much restrictions on what evidence can be brought in or what is stated. There was no guarantee MJ would have won against the chandlers even based on the evidence we know today. Plus everything would have been made public. All the disgusting details of the Chandlers claims. It would have been terrible for Michael and his career. Even if he did win and IMO thats why they settled and sealed it.

The same for this case. If all the details of wades claims are made public. The media will have a field day at Michael expense. and if Wade did happen to win (which doesn't prove MJ was guilty ) that will be the end of trying to claim he was innocent. He will be forever tainted and attcked. Win or loose The media will rip him to pieces with all the sorded details made public. either way. IMO At least a settlement can be sealed.

I have to trust the Estate will do what they think is best. For Michael, his children and his legacy. If that means settling then I will respect that, because of all that I stated above.. Its a very difficult call for them.. There doesn't have to be reasonable doubt. Just Wade to be convincing enough. MJ is not here to help them, So Estate is limited in it's defense. If they feel they have a good case with enough evidence to prove his claims false and a chance to win. They may go for it... but I'm gonna have to respect whatever decision they make.

They are certainly going to do what they feel is best for Michael and his Legacy either way... I hope they can kick Wades butt, but still worry at what cost, even if they do. Just like the AEG trial no matter who wins MJ doesn't.) He gets tarnished no matter what. Its just another thing to dread. MJ never had any real peace due to the blood sucking leeches and parasites and I'm sad to say neither will we.

 

[HIStory]

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After seeing the trial *****sn vs AEG I'm not upset at all MJ didn't go to trial over the 93 allegations. It is not like a criminal trial where anything has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt and there isn't much restrictions on what evidence can be brought in or what is stated. There was no guarantee MJ would have won againts the chandlers even based on the evidence we know today. and everything would have been made public. All the sorded details of the Chandlers claims. It would have been terrible for Michael and his career. Even if he did win. The same for this case. If all the sorded details of wades claims are made public. The media will have a field day at Michael expense. and if Wade did happen to win (which doesn't prove MJ was guilty ) that will be the end of trying to claimi he was innocent. Win or loose The media will rip him to pieces with all the sorded details either way. IMO

I have to trust the Estate will do what they think is best. For Michael, his children and his legacy. If that means settling then I will respect that. because of all that I stated above.. Its very difficult call .. There doesn't have to be reasonable doubt. Just Wade to be convincing enough. MJ is not here to help them, So Estate is limited in it;s defense. If they feel they have a good case with enough evidence to prove his claims false and a chance to win. They may go for it... but I'm gonna have to respect whatever decision they make. They are certainly going to do what they feel is best for Michael and his Legacy. either way. I hope they can kick butt, but still worry at what cost even if they do. (just like the AEG trial no matter who wins MJ doesn't.) He gets tarnished no matter what.

We saw that the consquences of settling were bad as well. People still use that very fact as the sign of Michael's guilt: "Why did he pay that boy $15 million if he was innocent?" It's faulty logic, because innocent parties DO settle, but that's how people think nevertheless. The settlement was a PR disaster and Michael's career never really fully recovered after that in the US. It's impossible to tell in the hindsight if going to court would have been better or worse. Seems like Michael was in a lose-lose situation, because the media was not willing to play fair with him. They wanted him to be guilty for sensationalism and maybe the reporting of a trial in 1994 would have been similarly one-sided, misleading and sensationalist as it was in 2005.

But the settlement was green light for other accusers: the Francias, the Arvizos, Wade. I think if Michael had beaten the Chandlers in court none of the other allegations had happened.

If the Estate settles now that will result in two things: 1) People once again will take it as a sign of guilt. "Oh, surely Robson has irrefutable evidence that's why MJ's Estate settled." 2) More people will see it as open season on Michael's money by making false molestation allegations. If they settle they might as well as prepere for a string of other opportunists trying their luck with false child abuse allegations. It will never end if they don't nip it in the bud. And it will get only worse and worse for MJ's image with each new allegation.

If you noticed most MJ critics, haters and sceptics always harp on the Chandler case rather than the Arvizo case. Even they know that the Arvizo case was fishy and they know it because it went to court and the Arvizos were exposed in court. People consider the Chandler case "more credible" because that did not go to trial, that's kind of a grey area for many people and they imagine there must have been something in it if Michael settled it. But the Chandlers would have been just as much a disaster on the stand as the Arvizos. Evan Chandler was not any less crazy and manipulative than Janet Arvizo. It's plain to see reading their book. Many people believe the Chandlers because they don't know anything about their allegations besides surface stuff. So had it gone to court it would have helped people to see them and their allegations more cleraly IMO. Had it gone to court I'm not even sure Jordan could have held it together considering how scared he was of being cross-examined. He might have as well as broken down and confessed the truth in court. But even if he had not he would not have fared any better than Gavin.

Whatever decision the Estate makes (and I personally think a settlement would not be wise) I hope it will come out of consideration rather than just lazyness, convenience and ignorance about these allegations against Michael. Besides I'd hate to see Wade being rewarded for the betrayal and backstabbing he pulled. I want the Robsons to be exposed. I don't want them to get away with extortion like the Chandlers did.

 

[terrell]

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We saw that the consquences of settling were bad as well. People still use that very fact as the sign of Michael's guilt: "Why did he pay that boy $15 million if he was innocent?" It's faulty logic, because innocent parties DO settle, but that's how people think nevertheless. The settlement was a PR disaster and Michael's career never really fully recovered after that in the US. It's impossible to tell in the hindsight if going to court would have been better or worse. Seems like Michael was in a lose-lose situation, because the media was not willing to play fair with him. They wanted him to be guilty for sensationalism and maybe the reporting of a trial in 1994 would have been similarly one-sided, misleading and sensationalist as it was in 2005.

But the settlement was green light for other accusers: the Francias, the Arvizos, Wade. I think if Michael had beaten the Chandlers in court none of the other allegations had happened.

If the Estate settles now that will result in two things: 1) People once again will take it as a sign of guilt. "Oh, surely Robson has irrefutable evidence that's why MJ's Estate settled." 2) More people will see it as open season on Michael's money by making false molestation allegations. If they settle they might as well as prepere for a string of other opportunists trying their luck with false child abuse allegations. It will never end if they don't nip it in the bud. And it will get only worse and worse for MJ's image with each new allegation.

If you noticed most MJ critics, haters and sceptics always harp on the Chandler case rather than the Arvizo case. Even they know that the Arvizo case was fishy and they know it because it went to court and the Arvizos were exposed in court. People consider the Chandler case "more credible" because that did not go to trial, that's kind of a grey area for many people and they imagine there must have been something in it if Michael settled it. But the Chandlers would have been just as much a disaster on the stand as the Arvizos. Evan Chandler was not any less crazy and manipulative than Janet Arvizo. It's plain to see reading their book. Many people believe the Chandlers because they don't know anything about their allegations besides surface stuff. So had it gone to court it would have helped people to see them and their allegations more cleraly IMO. Had it gone to court I'm not even sure Jordan could have held it together considering how scared he was of being cross-examined. He might have as well as broken down and confessed the truth in court. But even if he had not he would not have fared any better than Gavin.

Whatever decision the Estate makes (and I personally think a settlement would not be wise) I hope it will come out of consideration rather than just lazyness, convenience and ignorance about these allegations against Michael. Besides I'd hate to see Wade being rewarded for the betrayal and backstabbing he pulled. I want the Robsons to be exposed. I don't want them to get away with extortion like the Chandlers did.

I agree. They should NOT settle. The was bad in 1993 (although I understand) but no the Estate should NOT settle. If they do Wade can go on an d say what he wants and then they will give him crediablity by settling. I say ride it out. MJ is not here.

 

[terrell]

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MJJR Exclusive Photo: Wade Robson staying overnight in Michael Jackson's Neverland guest house on February 3, 2007.

"Thanks to MJ for allowing us to use his sacred land." - Wade and Amanda Robson, 2007

See, all of this will come out in court and I hope the Estate fight it.

 

[terrell]

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thing is though that card has been plyed out so many times ppl dont even belive that anymore and since no one has been paying attention to wade it seems no one cares

Well, that wont work because the first question will come out of someone mouth who have common sense would "well, you DEFENDED him for 20 years even TWICE in a court of law". Sorry that wont work.

 

[CaptainEoLove85]

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The best outcome in this case would be for the judge to throw these claims out. I wouldn't want it to go to trial nor would I want the Estate to settle.

 

[Petrarose]

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Oh no please, please no settlement. That would be the worse decision. As we go through the AEG trial, to me here is nothing worse that can come out about Michael. I think the AEG case has done its worse, so all Wade can do is continue the abuse scenarios which will most likely be things most adults have heard before. If Michael's legacy can survive the AEG case, Chandlers, tickler, & Garvin, then it can survive Wade. Let's not start to falter now.

I don't care what the AEG case is showing, a settlement will be a bad idea. AEG knew those e-mails were a disaster for their image, but they declined settlements 2 times--maybe more and we do not know about it. Even after all I hear from the AEG case, I still wish he had dealt with Chandler. We would have heard all the drug talk, but he had good evidence which would make him win that case (even with the legal issues favoring a settlement). He would have rose above all the ridicule eventually. Then there would have been no more Gavins, Wades, Ticklers. He would have had 1 blemish (Chandler) that would have been dealt with strongly & swiftly. Michael also needed a better lawyer who knew how to fight such a case.

Settlement was the worse thing that happened to Michael. Look at the impact it had on Michael's whole life and career. Chandler said he would ruin Michael and in a way he did help to destroy Micheal's life, so I say fight. Why let someone destroy your life and you still pay them?

 

[LindavG]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^ I haven't followed the AEG trial. What kind of horrible things have come out about Michael? Facts or just accusations?

I agree that a settlement would be the worst option. He might as well be found guilty, makes no difference in the court of public opinion. I'm not sure whether I want this case to go to trial or not. If it goes to trial, at least we'll know exactly what Wade is claiming so it's easier to expose him as a liar. Plus, if Michael is found not guilty/liable, that would greatly help in clearing his name regarding this particular accusation, and it will deter other opportunists from coming forward. On the other hand, there's a risk that Michael is found liable due to the low burden of proof in civil cases, and the media will have a field day with Wade's salacious claims. If it doesn't go to trial, there will always be doubt in many people's minds and Wade will definitely try to make his money in other ways (books, interviews, etc.).

 

[8701girl]

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Well, that wont work because the first question will come out of someone mouth who have common sense would "well, you DEFENDED him for 20 years even TWICE in a court of law". Sorry that wont work.

Well that is what i meant by my last post
cuz he defended mj twice and with him coming out now with these allegations ppl dont belive him at all or care for what hes saying now