[Discussion] Sexual Abuse Claims Against MJ Estate - Robson/ Safechuck/ Doe

Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

No offense but this doesn't make any sense. The whole Cascio family showed their support to Michael during his trial. Frank could not testify or have contact with Michael because he was a co-conspiritor (sp.) but he supported Michael publicly in other ways (through interviews and such). The other Cascios were close to Michael all this time, especially Eddie Cascio who later provided songs for the Michael album. So it wasn't like the Robsons supported Michael while the Cascios abandoned him. Second, it was Wade who pulled out of the MJ1 show before the final selection was made, so why would he be mad at the Estate for not hiring him? :unsure:

Here's my theory: When Wade was younger, he was considered somewhat of a genius. He worked with some of the biggest stars (like Britney and 'N Sync) when he was just a teenager himself. He had his own TV show when he was 21. Michael instilled in him the importance of being "number one", to be better than anyone else at what he does. His family moved to the other side of the world to fulfill Wade's ambitions and that must have put some pressure on him as well. However, at this stage in his career, Wade is no longer considered to be the best. Others, such as Jamie King, have caught up to him. His career has been in a downward spiral for a while judging by his latest projects. For someone like Wade, who has been told all his life how brilliant he is, this must be difficult to accept. Combined with the fact that mental illness runs in his family, this may have resulted in one or more mental breakdowns. He needed someone or something to blame for his faltering career and Michael was a convenient scapegoat. Besides, with the millions he expects to receive from his allegations he'll never have to work again. In his mind, he probably rationalises it by blaming Michael for putting pressure on him or giving him the wrong career advice, but since he can't sue for that he'll have to resort to this. Either way, Wade probably blames Michael for his mental issues and feels he must "pay" in some way. That's all there is to it imo, pride and greed.

I I I Like it!!!!!! ^^

That is it in a nutshell. That is a big problem kids have. When they are young their talent is seen as Out-Of-This-World by the grown ups, because they are little and cute. By the time they become big, their talent is seen as merely OK. They have to reinvent themselves and keep the creativity going--something Michael was able to do. Wade was not able to do that, plus the metal health issues kicked in. It is kind of sad and reminds me of a bi-polar professor I had. Some days when he was at the "high" range he would bounce into the classroom all happy, vibrant, and ready to go. When he was in the "low" he walked dragging his feet, was dismal, low-keyed, seemed as though he did not care. After a while we did not see him anymore. Some make it to such high professions and battle with it all their lives.

Respect ^^also some with mental disorders put some strong pressures on themselves thinking they can do several things at once, or they commit to some huge project, when in fact they cannot. They will tell themselves they can do these things. Of course they can't, so they breakdown, have an episode, the project is abandoned because they have to go and take care of their collapse. Wade reminds me of those types.
 
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I agree with most of what you wrote. I only partly agree with the bolded part though. Yes, Michael probably did say those kind of things to him that he could be better than Spielberg, he should pursue his dreams to be a giant in the industry etc. Michael is someone I can absolutely see saying things like that. Not to put pressure on Wade, but to encourage him. However, I don't think the major pressure on Wade came from these predictions or remarks by Michael. It was very useful to read those old articles about Wade and his mother because those show very well where the main pressure that was on Wade came from. It wasn't Michael. It was Wade's mother. One article described how Wade was taken to four auditions a day by his mom. In the same article she seems even impatient about the level of success they achieved in the three years since they were in the US, saying how she thought they would achieve more by now... It's very easy to see where the pressure on Wade REALLY came from.

Despite of this Wade's lawsuit mentions his mom only passingly and by no means he puts any blame on her. Which is odd because if he claims he was molested then why doesn't he partly blames his mom? I mean why should Michael's companies taken more care of him than his own mother? And if he blames Michael for the pressure that was on him in his career then why doesn't he also blame his mother for that? Who was actually the main source of his pressure. That's just another thing that shows it's nothing but a money grab.

Yes, I agree that Wade's real issue is a mental issue that he needs a scapegoat for and since he can't sue Michael for allegedly putting pressure on him to achieve, the convenient way was to bring in molestation allegations.

Oh, I certainly didn't mean to imply that Michael put too much pressure on Wade. Michael simply encouraged him to be the best he can, like he did with everyone. I just think that for Wade, losing his position as "number one" must have been unsettling because he was so used to being ahead of everyone else. Maybe that's why he dropped out of projects like Cirque du Soleil, because he couldn't handle the rejection if it turned out someone else was chosen instead of him. But now he has Michael to blame all his problems on. He can't "relate to his art" anymore because of Michael :smilerolleyes:

The sad thing is that he probably would have sued his mother if there was a chance of getting real $ from her. MJ's companies just have deeper pockets, that's all. I'm sure even Wade doesn't believe those companies had more responsibility to protect him than his own mother.
 
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Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

I I I Like it!!!!!! ^^

That is it in a nutshell. That is a big problem kids have. When they are young their talent is seen as Out-Of-This-World by the grown ups, because they are little and cute. By the time they become big, their talent is seen as merely OK. They have to reinvent themselves and keep the creativity going--something Michael was able to do.

Michael is one of the rare cases when a successful child star was able to reinvent himself and become even more successful as an adult. I wonder when Wade looked at Michael and then his own declining career at the age of 28-30, he saw that as a reminder of his own failure. And if that made him want to destroy Michael.

With both Wade and his mother being so super ambitious I can imagine they really thought Wade's "fate was written" to become an international superstar. He became a pretty big name in the world of dance and choreography, he also wrote a couple of hit songs and directed a couple of hit videos, but he's not Michael Jackson. A lot of people would be very happy with the career Wade had, but him and his mother being so ambitious I wonder if they expected a LOT more. By his lawsuit it seems they did. Doesn't he mention something about not becoming an international superstar because of the alleged abuse?
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Wade's latest PR stunt: https://www.facebook.com/heartsinourhands.org

ETA: You can tell the type of books he's advertising there are the books he used his "case" to be modelled after:

One of the reviews:

5.0 out of 5 stars Helped me to understand, heal from the unfathomable August 12, 1999
By A Customer
Format:paperback
When the circumstances of my life made it painfully clear that I needed some help, a good therapist put this book at the top of my reading list. Thank God! I'd always considered my childhood mostly tranquil; Mike Lew's book helped me face its traumas. It supportively helped create an emotional haven. It expertly piloted me, by brief sojourns, through the gales of my youth. Its examples revealed the damage which the reefs and rocks had long ago inflicted below the waterline, so I could be healed from it. Twenty years after my abuse, it helped me acknowledge the truth and recover, to accept responsibility for my adult dysfunctions while dealing with their deepest roots. If any adult (or older youth) ever had any sexual contact with you when you were a child, don't wait for your circumstances to force you to deal with it. That person can't hurt you like that anymore! You are no longer small or powerless! Fear not, buy and work through this book, and be healed!


http://www.amazon.com/dp/006053026X/ref=cm_sw_su_dp

The problem that Wade will always face regarding his own allegations though that in his case it could not be just "inflicted below the waterline" as there were allegations of MJ being a molester for 20 years. I bet this guy did not go around praising his molester and did not testify for him in a criminal case brought by another boy.
 
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Ugh, he just looks so smug, it's unbearable. I've always thought he came across as extremely arrogant and entitled, even before the allegations.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Remember the way he was acting in the airport throwing peace signs and what not?
 
Remember in Wade's lawsuit papers he said he couldn't dance anymore because of the trauma he suffered___ or something along those lines.

I have just found this:-

At her side he was learning and remembering a side of him he had forgotten; Amanda who grew up faraway from the entertainment industry remind him of a simpler way of living.
“She had this whole other perspective that I saw and loved and wanted to be a part of”
The couple spent the next two years away from the dancing and the camera world as he decided to immersed himself in his new love, experiencing life without dance.


http://showbizdaily.net/celebrity-b...cuser-wade-robsons-wife/#sthash.BMlABH49.dpuf
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

With Wade Robson going after John Branca and John McClain, the Executor's of Michael Jackson Estate, aka MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures, Wade shows just how resentful he is.

We are aware of "A spokesperson for the Michael Jackson Estate -- which produced the Cirque du Soleil show -- tells TMZ ... Robson was "on the list of choreographers but his son got sick and he wasn't used." The spokesperson said there was never a contract between Wade and the show."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/11/wade-robson-michael-jackson-cirque-du-soleil-video/#ixzz2ZsWkDvGl
Visit Fishwrapper: http://www.fishwrapper.com

Wade Robson must've believed that Michael Jackson always took care of him, because of Michael Jackson's connection's in Hollywood. Both Britney Spears's and *NSYNC, worked with Michael Jackson and Wade Robson was a choreographer for both of them. It was through Michael Jackson and Michael's connections in the Industry that Wade found jobs. It seems since Michael died, Wade isn't finding employment and why doesn't the Estate look after Wade, the same as Michael did , when Michael was alive.

That's why Wade Robson is resentful of the Estate, in particular the Executor's, John Branca and John McClain. This is why I tied it to the Estate of Michael Jackson and the Cascio's, the jealousy factor, that Joy Robson testified to when questioned about Wade, when he was young, his jealousy of Michael's other 'lost boy's.' This blurred line, in Wade's mind, of how the Cascio's are being taken care of through the continuation of Michael's Estate, is why I believe Wade has all this animosity and built up resentment. Without Michael being around anymore and only the Estate of Michael Jackson running the show, Wade feels like a lost child. Yet, he sees the Cascio's being taken care of, but not him, not Wade. The Cascio's get recognition for their mediocre work, why not Wade Robson. Why didn't he get his recognition, his due, and work with the Estate and Cirque du Soleil. Who care's if his work seemed mediocre, at best, the Cascio's is just as bad and they are still taken care of by the Estate of Michael Jackson and both were part of Michael Jackson's 'Lost Boy's' of Michael Jackson's fantasy world of "Peter Pan."
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

With Wade Robson going after John Branca and John McClain, the Executor's of Michael Jackson Estate, aka MJJ Productions and MJJ Ventures, Wade shows just how resentful he is.

We are aware of "A spokesperson for the Michael Jackson Estate -- which produced the Cirque du Soleil show -- tells TMZ ... Robson was "on the list of choreographers but his son got sick and he wasn't used." The spokesperson said there was never a contract between Wade and the show."

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2013/05/11/wade-robson-michael-jackson-cirque-du-soleil-video/#ixzz2ZsWkDvGl
Visit Fishwrapper: http://www.fishwrapper.com

Wade Robson must've believed that Michael Jackson always took care of him, because of Michael Jackson's connection's in Hollywood. Both Britney Spears's and *NSYNC, worked with Michael Jackson and Wade Robson was a choreographer for both of them. It was through Michael Jackson and Michael's connections in the Industry that Wade found jobs. It seems since Michael died, Wade isn't finding employment and why doesn't the Estate look after Wade, the same as Michael did , when Michael was alive.

That's why Wade Robson is resentful of the Estate, in particular the Executor's, John Branca and John McClain. This is why I tied it to the Estate of Michael Jackson and the Cascio's, the jealousy factor, that Joy Robson testified to when questioned about Wade, when he was young, his jealousy of Michael's other 'lost boy's.' This blurred line, in Wade's mind, of how the Cascio's are being taken care of through the continuation of Michael's Estate, is why I believe Wade has all this animosity and built up resentment. Without Michael being around anymore and only the Estate of Michael Jackson running the show, Wade feels like a lost child. Yet, he sees the Cascio's being taken care of, but not him, not Wade. The Cascio's get recognition for their mediocre work, why not Wade Robson. Why didn't he get his recognition, his due, and work with the Estate and Cirque du Soleil. Who care's if his work seemed mediocre, at best, the Cascio's is just as bad and they are still taken care of by the Estate of Michael Jackson and both were part of Michael Jackson's 'Lost Boy's' of Michael Jackson's fantasy world of "Peter Pan."

Again, Wade pulled out of the CdS show himself. The Estate couldn't hire him even if they wanted to. What about this don't you understand? Also, Wade didn't just find jobs through Michael. That's exactly what he wants you to think, that he couldn't speak out about the abuse because it would be the end of his career. Michael had lots of people around him who desperately wanted to be in showbizz but they didn't all succeed the way Wade did just because of their connection to Michael. Look at LaToya for example. Michael gave Wade a headstart - just as he did with LaToya - but after that, it was his own talent and determination that made his career.

The Estate isn't taking care of the Cascios, that's absurd. They only paid Eddie Cascio for a handful of songs that are presumed to be Michael's. IIRC, Joy Robson never said that Wade in particular was jealous of other kids around Michael, just that children in general may get jealous when they have to share Michael's attention with others.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tried to get a job with the estate in 2011 but in 2012 he did not know there was an estate
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tried to get a job with the estate in 2011 but in 2012 he did not know there was an estate

It took Wade a few years before he was able and willing to understand that Michael had an Estate. Nothing unusual about that :)
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

Tried to get a job with the estate in 2011 but in 2012 he did not know there was an estate

His lawyer who he is very close to him and his family and who has worked for him for more than 13 years definitely knew all about it.

Check out what she wrote on her website shortly after MJ's death:- http://www.yuleseberg.com/news/worthmoredeadthanalive.php
 
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No offense but this doesn't make any sense. The whole Cascio family showed their support to Michael during his trial. Frank could not testify or have contact with Michael because he was a co-conspiritor (sp.) but he supported Michael publicly in other ways (through interviews and such). The other Cascios were close to Michael all this time, especially Eddie Cascio who later provided songs for the Michael album. So it wasn't like the Robsons supported Michael while the Cascios abandoned him. Second, it was Wade who pulled out of the MJ1 show before the final selection was made, so why would he be mad at the Estate for not hiring him? :unsure:

Here's my theory: When Wade was younger, he was considered somewhat of a genius. He worked with some of the biggest stars (like Britney and 'N Sync) when he was just a teenager himself. He had his own TV show when he was 21. Michael instilled in him the importance of being "number one", to be better than anyone else at what he does. His family moved to the other side of the world to fulfill Wade's ambitions and that must have put some pressure on him as well. However, at this stage in his career, Wade is no longer considered to be the best. Others, such as Jamie King, have caught up to him. His career has been in a downward spiral for a while judging by his latest projects. For someone like Wade, who has been told all his life how brilliant he is, this must be difficult to accept. Combined with the fact that mental illness runs in his family, this may have resulted in one or more mental breakdowns. He needed someone or something to blame for his faltering career and Michael was a convenient scapegoat. Besides, with the millions he expects to receive from his allegations he'll never have to work again. In his mind, he probably rationalises it by blaming Michael for putting pressure on him or giving him the wrong career advice, but since he can't sue for that he'll have to resort to this. Either way, Wade probably blames Michael for his mental issues and feels he must "pay" in some way. That's all there is to it imo, pride and greed.

You are so right in this post.
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MJLovesyoumore;3873687 said:
His lawyer who he is very close to him and his family and who has worked for him for more than 13 years definitely knew all about it.

Check out what she wrote on her website shortly after MJ's death:- http://www.yuleseberg.com/news/worthmoredeadthanalive.php

She wrote this on that blog on her website:

“He was certainly an amazing songwriter, performer and dancer, but he sometimes let the wrong people in."

Yeah, she would know. Kind of ironic, isn't it?<_<
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

It took Wade a few years before he was able and willing to understand that Michael had an Estate. Nothing unusual about that :)
The estate had been handling things since mj passed away and they certainly havent been invncible so how the heck could wade not know there was a estate, that is wade covering his @ss!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

@LindavG...I hear you, but there is some kind of animosity underlying in Wade Robson's psyche and I continue to believe, just like when Michael called folk his "cousin" so that the jealousy factor would stay in check. This is from Joy Robson's testimony.

Does Wade want to be taken care of the rest of his life, yes! That's why there is a lawsuit. Evan Chandler wanted Michael Jackson to use his connection's to help him in establishing a Career in Hollywood and this is why Evan Chandler got so mean and claimed Michael Jackson was a child molester. Evan Chandler wanted money and he wanted lots of money and since Michael himself wasn't cooperating in using his connection's to help Evan Chandler become a Hollywood producer/screenwriter, then Evan Chandler stepped up his campaign to smear Michael Jackson.

Anthony Pellicano was like a middle man, but Evan Chandler went ballistic, saying Anthony's connection's were not good enough, only Michael Jackson's connection's were good enough. Evan Chandler's ego knew what he wanted and he wanted Michael Jackson to pay.

I see this same formula coming from Wade Robson's camp. Even if you don't see the connection to the Cascio's, as I have pointed out, this jealousy factor, I see it, because of Wade Robson's accusation of saying he was 7 - 14 year's old when the sexual abuse took place. This would be the time period that the 'Lost Boy's' were a collective group, then Evan Chandler decided to implicate Michael Jackson. Wade Robson was a little boy, when he first got introduced to the Peter Pan world of Michael Jackson and the 7 -14 year's, time period, is where this is all stemming from. It is a selective memory of where the animosity stems from!
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^You could debate this forever but the thing is, nobody really knows. You can unleash all different kinds of theories, but in the end that's all just speculation. We will never know what's going on in Wade's head; whether he's jealous, resentful, hurt or just crazy. Or all of the above. That's why it's probably best to just stick with the facts and try to base the storyline on them. If you take that approach I think LindavG's theory makes the most sense so far.
For this same reason I'm still kind of indecisive on what I want the outcome of the hearings to be. With every word or action from Wade his story becomes less and less credible. So on the one hand I can't wait to see him and his stupid story get shredded in court. On the other hand I wish they would just throw it out and not waste anymore time on this clown.
 
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I would not be surprised if WR appears in the media again when AEG presenting their defense ... They said that "things would be ugly." Remember?
 
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I think the Mr Robson thing is going no where. However, Michael was not always treated well my his family and I think his friendships were to find a family where he could belong (I understand from personal experience). x
 
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Has anyone seen this facebook page for child abuse victims Wade Robson has set up? :wtf2:




https://www.facebook.com/heartsinourhands.org


:mat:Just when I thought this guy couldn't stoop any lower. :no: he does.

I did see it and it just makes me sick. Hearts in our hearts for sex abuse victims MY @$$!!!:angry:
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

That's one approach to looking at it, Lil, but I'm basing what I am saying on what Wade has speculated on, in his life, that's all. Do I believe it is just because his career failed, nope.

Too many details point back to the time period of Evan Chandler and what he did. This isn't just speculation. Evan Chandler had a promising career as a dentist in Beverly Hills, you would think that that would have given him personal satisfaction. Nope, he hatched a brilliant plan and he won by getting Michael Jackson to settle with him. This determination to do just that, is what drove Evan Chandler.

Were the Cascio's part of the "Lost Boy's" of Michael Jackson's "Peter Pan" World, when Wade was between age 7 - 14, yes. Do I believe that the Cascio's are in sight, as if looking through the scope of a hunting gun, in Wade Robson's mind, yes.

All I have done is try to see what is motivating Wade Robson, where the animosity is coming from towards the Estate, John Branca and John McClain. Do I think Wade is a plant coming from AEG Live, now that is speculation at its best!

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Do I think Wade is a plant coming from AEG Live, now that is speculation at its best!

not so hard to believe
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

^You could debate this forever but the thing is, nobody really knows. You can unleash all different kinds of theories, but in the end that's all just speculation. We will never know what's going on in Wade's head; whether he's jealous, resentful, hurt or just crazy. Or all of the above. That's why it's probably best to just stick with the facts and try to base the storyline on them. If you take that approach I think LindavG's theory makes the most sense so far.
For this same reason I'm still kind of indecisive on what I want the outcome of the hearings to be. With every word or action from Wade his story becomes less and less credible. So on the one hand I can't wait to see him and his stupid story get shredded in court. On the other hand I wish they would just throw it out and not waste anymore time on this clown.





I agree waste of time.
 
Re: [Discussion] Wade Robson files claim of sexual abuse against MJ-Estate

All I can truly say about this Wade character is that he's pathetic. Well..in my words he's a backstabber. But what trips me off the most is the fact he's got people wrapped around his little finger believing this crap. He said he told all of his family last year..but then he says his father killed himself over what happened. His dad has been dead for almost 11 years!! But hey, what can I do? Like Michael said..anything for money. It's just sad that Wade's stooped so low.

I'm just gonna keep shamoning on like I was before ^.^
 
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