Did Michael get the gold leotard for the Dangerous Tour from Madonnas Blonde Ambition tour?

Absolutely! He wore that outfit like a 👑 KING
He really did. Don't wanna start a ruckus but, although I love almost all of Michael's outfits (those weird blue pants, anyone?), the gold leotard is so far above all of them, imo, that my brain can barely process it.

...... I started writing that in the afternoon. Since then the thread has exploded. I have only on request. When I die, just print all of these photos and bury me under them ⚰️
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I have a single contribution to make here while I recover from this onslaught
Well, it is the absolute best one. 😲
 
MJ apparently wanted to wear tights with no leotard for the tour . He did that in the In The Closet video but i think if he wore a golden version of maybe his BAD tour suit it would have worked better. That aside the tour was incredible.
 
I came across this concert on YouTube. To my surprise I enjoyed it quite a bit. She sang live for many parts I think, I'm not sure. There were definitely mimed parts as well. She had tons of energy and danced very well. I also liked the stage designs.
What I didn't like was her talking in between some numbers, very grating.
But it was cool, I'm going to check more of her concerts out.
 
I came across this concert on YouTube.
Which concert, f&m. You haven't posted anything. Do you mean one of the Blonde Ambition shows? I guess so since that's the thread title! I'm not fussed myself although haven't watched an entire show of any of Madonna's tours. Haven't got the patience.

To my surprise I enjoyed it quite a bit. She sang live for many parts I think, I'm not sure.
I've never been able to get a straight story on this. Madonna has had loads of flak in the media for miming. I've watched 3 different versions of Vogue. The Blonde Ambition one and then the next two tours after that, IIRC. It sounded to me as if she had pre-recorded her vocals and then was miming to those. Which seems like a fair enough compromise. But I've also read that, no, in fact she usually sings Vogue live. Didn't sound live to me but she wasn't miming to the record, I'm sure of that.

I think she moves back and forth between live and lip-syncing. Not that I want to have a conversation about that. god, no!

There were definitely mimed parts as well. She had tons of energy and danced very well.
Her dancing doesn't work for me. She's very average, imo. But she sure has loads of energy.

I also liked the stage designs.
I do think her stage designs are pretty good. Don't love them but they are well-conceived. Nice production values.

What I didn't like was her talking in between some numbers, very grating.
Her onstage persona is very grating, generally, imo. She is quite combative with her fans but I guess they are used to that and presumably like it or at least accept it.
 
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@zinniabooklover

Yes the blonde ambition tour a concer popped up on my youtube. Tons of concerts do, I watch a lot of artists. The picture quality was very fine so I decided to watch it.
The dancing is all choreography but she sells it well, she is clearly a hard worker and she gives 100%.
I also think vocals were pre recorded because she never seems to go out of breath but then sometimes I hear a crack in her voice. It is hard to determine if you are not a die hard follower.
I also enjoy that some of her songs were put in a new jacket with a different beat but then she decided to sing material girl in a totally different accent which I found irritating. But you know she tries different things. The sets change every 4 songs it kept things interesting.

I read a bit about her liveshows and the blonde ambition tour was her big breakthrough apparently and there are conflicting reports about her singing live or not. It was her 3rd tour, according to what I read her first 2 tours were completely life so I already have them lined up next.
I don’t think I will bother with her tours after blonde ambition as I saw some setlists and I knew almost no songs. I applaud though that each tour had a vastly different setlist.

PS vogue was definitely not live ( i think lol)

But just in terms of stage design It is better than anything MJ has done imo. “This is it“ though looked interesting in that regard.
 
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Yes the blonde ambition tour a concer popped up on my youtube. Tons of concerts do, I watch a lot of artists. The picture quality was very fine
I've noticed her shows do seem to be pretty good quality. I haven't seen any film footage from her shows that was crap. Her fans are luckier than Michael's in that regard, it would seem.

The dancing is all choreography
I'm fine with that. She's a trained dancer so she's gonna use choreography rather than improvising. She's on record as saying she knows she's not the best dancer around - she isn't, lol - but, like I said, she is trained. She seems to be good at picking good people to work with.

but she sells it well,
I agree. I don't like her shows but I can see what people get out of it if they do like her work.

she is clearly a hard worker and she gives 100%.
Her work ethic is fierce. It shows in the high production values and presentation of her shows, I think.

I also think vocals were pre recorded because she never seems to go out of breath but then sometimes I hear a crack in her voice.
Exactly. This is what I've noticed and I haven't watched tons of footage bc she bores the pants off me. But her vocals do fluctuate. Not in a way that suggests she's crap. I just mean, is this bit live, is this bit miming? I can't always tell bc I only really know the 80's records and I'm not familiar with her performance style. Also, I find her boring so my mind wanders, lol.

It is hard to determine if you are not a die hard follower.
Exactly so.

I also enjoy that some of her songs were put in a new jacket with a different beat
She does seem to mix things up a bit, as far as I can tell, which is great.

but then she decided to sing material girl in a totally different accent which I found irritating.
I saw a fragment of that. I closed that down PDQ, lol.

But you know she tries different things. The sets change every 4 songs it kept things interesting.
She works hard at that, it seems. Credit where it's due.

I read a bit about her liveshows and the blonde ambition tour was her big breakthrough apparently
Mm, interesting. I thought it was the Like A Virgin tour although that was just America, not global. Blonde Ambition did make a huge splash at the time, I do remember that.

and there are conflicting reports about her singing live or not.
Yeah, I cannot get a straight story on this.

It was her 3rd tour, according to what I read her first 2 tours were completely life so I already have them lined up next.
I can't stand the Like A Virgin fragments that I've seen but I'm not a fan. She doesn't really do it for me. There are things she does well and I admire the way she approaches certain aspects of her work, especially the live shows. But she's not my artist. She just does not interest me enough. I do admire her LAV achievement, though. She was taking charge even at that early stage.

I don’t think I will bother with her tours after blonde ambition as I saw some setlists and I knew almost no songs. I applaud though that each tour had a vastly different setlist.
I do think that's cool.

But just in terms of stage design It is better than anything MJ has done imo. “This is it“ though looked interesting in that regard.
That's the impression I get although I haven't watched enough of her or Michael to say confidently. I watch random songs of Michael, I never watch an entire show - apart from Live In Mexico - and I watch the same songs over and over bc I'm not ready yet to move on. I'm not mad keen on what I've seen of HWT.

Madonna's stuff sometimes seems *too* over the top, imo. The staging, I mean. But she tries to mix it up and bring in variety.

TII looked amazing, imo. Higher production values and the whole thing just looked fabulous. The smaller venue was a big, BIG help, I'm convinced of that. I know now that a lot of what Michael would have done, he'd been doing for years already. I didn't know that at the time. But I still think the show would have looked brilliant.
 
It’s so irritating, she talks to the crowd and sings several songs in some kind of British accent. This can’t be how she normally speaks right?

i just finished the entire concert, took me 3 days, concerts are just too long usually, give me the old 1 hour shows!
In the end a guy in the audience tosses a full bottle of water at her, clearly not scripted. She then shouts something in French at the guy which got a big cheer. She speaks a lot of French during the show, impressive.

She ended with vogue completely mimed and then holiday which she sung completely live. The difference was very clear to me. Her final song I don’t know the song but it was also live.
 
It’s so irritating, she talks to the crowd and sings several songs in some kind of British accent. This can’t be how she normally speaks right?
I've seen fragments of that. I ran away, screaming. She sounded mad. IIRC, she did adopt a dreadful so-called British accent when she was married to thingy - the film director guy. Actually, I think his name might be Guy, lol. Anyway, him. She sounded ridiculous.

i just finished the entire concert, took me 3 days,
This is what I mean. I can't get through these freakin' stadium shows. Jeez! They are way too long. I get it, people want value for money, they spent loads of dosh. And the record company wants loads of material for the video / DVD. But it's exhausting plodding through it.

concerts are just too long usually, give me the old 1 hour shows!
Yeah, 1 hour is fine. I prefer 90 mins if it's a large theatre show or a smallish arena show. But beyond 90 mins, I just don't care.

In the end a guy in the audience tosses a full bottle of water at her, clearly not scripted.
Hm. D#ckhead.

She then shouts something in French at the guy which got a big cheer. She speaks a lot of French during the show, impressive.
Oh, I haven't seen that. I always admire anyone who has decent language skills bc mine are non-existent, sadly.

She ended with vogue completely mimed
I am convinced she mimed it the 3 versions of Vogue I saw. I've seen comments saying, no, no, she sometimes / always sings it live. But no way it sounded live to me. I know that song and I know what mimed vocals look like.

I don't know if her fans are just being defensive or what. I could be wrong, obvs. But I don't think so.

and then holiday which she sung completely live.
Yeah, I've seen bits of that.

The difference was very clear to me. Her final song I don’t know the song but it was also live.
Exactly. The difference is clear as anything, imo. I mean, it's Madonna so I don't care. I just find it mildly interesting, the different stories I've seen.
 
I was thinking the whole time who does she sound like on that tour and now I remember it. It is like that Fran character in “ the nanny”.
 
@zinniabooklover

I watched her first tour: the like a virgin tour 1985
I put it straight to my favorites list.

Here is why:
- it is about 50 min long
- almost no theatrics, just a band, madonna and 2 or 3 dancers and fully 100% live vocals
- I know all the songs and I actually enjoy the mid 80s music a lot
- loud crowd
- boundless energy, she keeps moving just like MJ
- you can hear her voice tire, so important to get immersed in it (imo)
- there’s about 3 costume changes tops which are edited or cut from the video which is probably why it isn’t 1 hour long
- great picture quality

Also there is a guy invading the stage during like a virgin, I love when unexpected stuff happens 🤭
If you want to watch one madonna concert, this is the one…

Personally I’m going to try a couple more, up next is the who’s that girl concert. It should be better with an even better setlist but I worry she is already too famous here, I hope she keeps,it simple like on her first tour ( please no drawn out video segments, special effects or hundred people on stage lol)

Also you probably aren’t interested at all but I wanted to share my thought about this with someone and you are the victim 😂
 
@zinniabooklover

I watched her first tour: the like a virgin tour 1985
I put it straight to my favorites list.

Here is why:
- it is about 50 min long
- almost no theatrics, just a band, madonna and 2 or 3 dancers and fully 100% live vocals
- I know all the songs and I actually enjoy the mid 80s music a lot
- loud crowd
- boundless energy, she keeps moving just like MJ
- you can hear her voice tire, so important to get immersed in it (imo)
- there’s about 3 costume changes tops which are edited or cut from the video which is probably why it isn’t 1 hour long
- great picture quality
All of this makes perfect sense. I really do find her to be utterly boring - always have. But I've seen enough fragments of LAV to understand the appeal. For such a big show it's pretty simple and all the better for it. Plus, it's her first big tour so it's like First Album. You know, how the first album is always so intense and everything is there. A lifetime of what the band or artist wanted to say to the world. It's never quite the same after that.

Also there is a guy invading the stage during like a virgin, I love when unexpected stuff happens 🤭
Can't beat a stage invasion, lol. Love it.

If you want to watch one madonna concert, this is the one…
Yeah, no! I really don't want to watch an entire Madonna show. :ROFLMAO:

Nice try, though!

Personally I’m going to try a couple more, up next is the who’s that girl concert. It should be better with an even better setlist but I worry she is already too famous here,
This will be interesting. I'm convinced the extra fame actually can spoil things. That's why I was always into bands only up to a certain point in their career. Up to them playing venues of a certain size but no bigger. And for sure, no arenas and certainly no freakin' stadiums. I don't mean I prevented myself from following a band that I loved. I mean, my interest just naturally fizzled out as they got bigger. Or maybe I just have a short attention span, lol. I give them a few years and then I'm done.

I hope she keeps,it simple like on her first tour ( please no drawn out video segments, special effects or hundred people on stage lol)
This is all the stuff I have no patience with. I want good, live vocals. I want it to be visually interesting but that doesn't mean it can't be simple.

Also you probably aren’t interested at all but I wanted to share my thought about this with someone and you are the victim 😂
No, this was interesting. I agree completely, keep the theatrics out of it. I don't think a pop show or rock show needs that - or not too much of it. I just always want the artist. If I love someone's voice and they have good songs, that's all I need

"That's all I need to get by ..."
(Marvin Gaye / Tammi Terrell) - sorry, couldn't resist, lol.

And for sure the picture quality of every Madonna show I've seen has been great which is why it was such a shock to my system when I started to watch Michael's shows. I could not believe the sh#tty quality. wth?

Am I right in thinking LAV was all arenas, not stadiums? If so, that is part of why it works, imo. Stadiums are useless bc there's no acoustics. I do think live shows need to be contained in a space. Acoustically *and* visually. Michael had no choice. His fanbase was so huge there was nowhere else for him to go. But it's a shame bc stadiums don't serve the artist or the music well, imo.
 
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Yes it is a smaller venue, simple stage setup, not big.

The band plays great as well.

The blonde ambition tour was fun but too long and annoying in her interaction with the crowd. The first tour seems less rehearsed both madonna and the crowd seem to make each other stronger.

This felt like a party and less a show. Now I definitely need to watch early prince shows because i think they will have the same energy and atmosphere.

PS forgot to add madonna sings a segment of billie jean during like a virgin!
 
Yes it is a smaller venue, simple stage setup, not big.

The band plays great as well.

The blonde ambition tour was fun but too long and annoying in her interaction with the crowd. The first tour seems less rehearsed both madonna and the crowd seem to make each other stronger.
Funnily enough I did a big U-turn. I decided to watch LAV all the way through. Was gonna treat it like a science experiment or my homework or something, lol. Thought it would be interesting to re-visit it and also see if I could do the whole thing.

Just tried. Got to 50s and wanted to pull out my own fingernails.

GOD, SHE'S SO BORING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Gaaaaaaaaadddddddddd!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, f&m, I know you like her 80's music so you're OK but I never did. She's just so ... gah!

Give me Cyndi every freakin' time! EVERY time. Cyndi is the Goddess Of All & Everything. Also, Cyndi has the cutest stage invasion of all time.

I might try again later. :eek:

This felt like a party and less a show. Now I definitely need to watch early prince shows because i think they will have the same energy and atmosphere.
Early Prince I can't stand, tbh. He gets more interesting to me later on.

PS forgot to add madonna sings a segment of billie jean during like a virgin!
I vaguely remember that. I think I was updating my grocery shopping list at the same time, lol.

No, seriously, it was a cool move on her part. I appreciated the gesture. But that was as far as my interest went.
 
@zinniabooklover

What Cyndi Lauper show do I need to watch?
Well, if we're talking an entire show I'd recommend Cyndi in Paris from her 1987 world tour. She's in theatres on this tour, the video is from her performance at The Zenith.

It'a approx 90 mins but if you can't be bothered to do the whole thing look for specific songs. I'd recommend Iko Iko, Maybe He'll Know, Calm Inside The Storm, 911, One Track Mind - pretty much in that order. For the encore she does a nice version of Baby Workout plus an acapella version of True Colours. I've posted at least two of these on the board but can't remember where. But you can catch these as stand alone songs. Or there's a YT channel that gives you time stamps for the individual songs.

For the cutest ever stage invasion you wanna watch her 1985 performance of Money Changes Everything. It's online as a standalone song so you can just Google it. Your time stamp is approx 1m 30s so you don't even have to watch the entire song. I've watched it umpteen times. ❤️

I love her 1985 performance but the 1987 tour is better. Her band is way better for a start - her band is BRILLIANT - and her setlist is to die for, imo.
 
@zinniabooklover Ok I’m looking forward to it, apart from 2 songs I don ‘t know any of her music though.
Thanks for the detailed response!
OK, well, if you do watch 1987 the YT channel to look for is Cyndi Lauper Fans Channel (or something like that). I mention it bc some of the uploads of this tour have crap quality colour or the focus is crap. She has some of the songs on her own YT channel but can't remember if the whole show is there. The fans one is the one I always use.
 
Funnily enough I did a big U-turn. I decided to watch LAV all the way through. Was gonna treat it like a science experiment or my homework or something, lol. Thought it would be interesting to re-visit it and also see if I could do the whole thing.
Update - can't do it. Just can't.

I decided to watch LAV (song) since I have already watched that. Plus, I wanted to check out the stage invasion. I can't even list all the things I couldn't stand, this will turn into an essay and not a very positive one. The stage invasion was a bit limp. I had forgotten it. The BJ section was just ... well, it's the thought that counts. I got as far as her asking the audience if they 'felt all right' and, since I didn't, I decided to bail.

I'd forgotten about her rolling around on the floor. Michael on the floor vs. Madonna doing same. No contest.

No offence, f&m. She just doesn't do it for me and she never did. Cyndi wobbling around above her audience in a trash bin is way more exciting to me. Some things just can't be changed. Madonna's effect on me is one of them.

At least I tried, lol. :ROFLMAO:
 
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I'm not a madonna fan either but it popped up, gave it a go and surprisingly loved it :D
Part of this is from my sister, when she was young she was a huge fan like most young girls so I know all that 80s music from her debut album till the immaculate collection.

I thought she was a miming untalented pop star but there she is dancing and jumping and singing surprisingly well at the same time, I dunno I like
it lol

I hope I will like the Lauper concert, I should know more songs don't I? It's strange that only 3 are very familiar, I like those though a lot though. True colors, time after time and girls just wanna have fun (this last one is again due to my sister being crazy about the dance movie of the same name.)
 
@zinniabooklover

I'm not a madonna fan either but it popped up, gave it a go and surprisingly loved it :D
Part of this is from my sister, when she was young she was a huge fan like most young girls so I know all that 80s music from her debut album till the immaculate collection.

I thought she was a miming untalented pop star but there she is dancing and jumping and singing surprisingly well at the same time,
oh I never thought she was that. Credit where it's due. She was always the real deal, just not for me. Like the way she starts LAV (song), that little dance routine they do. So boring. Tbf, she's dancing and singing so the dance routine has to be basic. I get that. But, for me, so boring to watch. But it doesn't matter. Her fans love it and that's what counts.

I dunno I like it lol
But that's great. Especially when it was so unexpected.

I've said it before, I admire her as a pop star and the way she runs her career and life.
 
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