Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 - Controversial MJ Documentary "Leaving Neverland"

Channel 4 is one of the most watched tv channels in the UK. It is front and centre, with no subscription needed. It is free to air. Yes, it shows some trashy tv, but it will get plenty of viewers.

I suppose, yeah it's a terrestrial channel, the only thing I ever watch on it is Frasier, the majority of the population will watch BBC 1 or ITV, I'll not be watching the channel again that's for sure
 
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Great letter. Hopefully they will do a shorter version for people with short attention spans, or refuse to read anything longer than a page or two.
 
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Great letter. Hopefully they will do a shorter version for people with short attention spans, or refuse to read anything longer than a page or two.

It would be good if a few of the Non-tabloids printed versions of this. Wonder if the main points will go out as a press release, if HBO don't give a satisfactory response ie include the Estate / MJ side in the doc? (Editing can be done quickly, if they wanted to).
 
Great letter. Looks like we are coming out swinging. Can’t argue facts. It’s nice to see punches thrown. #Mj
 
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Support wade sh**? Websitr called mjvictims

I just saw someone post this on a YouTube comment
 
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Support wade sh**? **LINK REMOVED BY ADMIN**

I just saw someone post this on a YouTube comment

Why are we meant to click on a Wade supporters page? It would be better to have more info here if it is really needed. Don't want fans clicking on there unnecessarily... :(
 
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So this letter was sent today? Is it the first contact the Estate has made with HBO?
 
Great letter but the HBO boss has said he has no plans to meet with the estate and has no plans not to air it. It’s time to go all guns blazing now..
So
dmehta;4240301 said:
Brilliant letter. Exposes so many of the lies spouted by these two disgraceful human beings. They must now send a similar copy to Channel 4.

If HBO and/or Channel 4 don’t take action, then the Estate need to start a media blitz to get this info out there. It’s time to fight fire with fire.

We had an exceptional lawyer defending Michael in 2005 - Tom Mesereau - and he did a stellar job and got MJ acquitted. Today, Mike is dead and can’t defend himself. The Estate MUST go for a full on offensive. As Weitzman states in his letter, they have litigated against these two perjurer for several years. They are armed with the facts and the evidence of their lies.
 
AmitLal92;4240317 said:
Great letter but the HBO boss has said he has no plans to meet with the estate and has no plans not to air it. It’s time to go all guns blazing now..
So

How do you know that?
 
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Why are we meant to click on a Wade supporters page? It would be better to have more info here if it is really needed. Don't want fans clicking on there unnecessarily... :(
I am.not saying to click on it.. I just found out about it and wanted to share the info.

Ps. Dont go to the site, I changed the post without link
 
AmitLal92;4240320 said:
Annoying but he’s not standing down. http://bit.ly/2RPsR95

Thank you for this link. Main points are these:

You've set a premiere date for Leaving Neverland. Given the Jackson estate's comments that it's "a tabloid character assassination," do you have any trepidation about airing it?

Not at all. All I would ask is that anybody writing or thinking about it would watch it and reserve judgment until they see it. It's a very powerful documentary.

Are you prepared for potential backlash — or legal action — from the estate?

Yep. [We have] no plans to not air it.

After the Sundance screening and the estate's comments, was there a conversation with HBO CEO Richard Plepler or AT&T CEO John Stankey about sticking with the controversial doc?

No. Let's be clear: What controversy? There were two protesters at Sundance. Reserve judgment and watch it and decide for yourself.

And if the protests grow louder?

We're standing by it. It's very, very powerful.

Will you meet with the Jackson Estate given their newly released 10-page letter and claims that it ignores journalistic ethics?

No. The letter doesn't change anything. The show is airing. It's not changing because of the letter and I ask that everybody watch it and decide for themselves. It's a very, very powerful documentary and I think once they see it, they'll understand.

So, you have no interest in taking a meeting with the Jackson Estate?

No. There are no plans to take a meeting. We are airing the documentary and the letter is not going to change that.
 
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I wish I could expect more from HBOs CEO.. of course the doc is powerful. Anything edgy and disgustingly detailed is powerful. That doesnt make it FACTUAL!
 
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Support wade sh**? Websitr called mjvictims

I just saw someone post this on a YouTube comment
That probably someone he knows working for him or either him.
 
myosotis;4240323 said:
Thank you for this link. Main points are these:

You've set a premiere date for Leaving Neverland. Given the Jackson estate's comments that it's "a tabloid character assassination," do you have any trepidation about airing it?

Not at all. All I would ask is that anybody writing or thinking about it would watch it and reserve judgment until they see it. It's a very powerful documentary.

Are you prepared for potential backlash — or legal action — from the estate?

Yep. [We have] no plans to not air it.

After the Sundance screening and the estate's comments, was there a conversation with HBO CEO Richard Plepler or AT&T CEO John Stankey about sticking with the controversial doc?

No. Let's be clear: What controversy? There were two protesters at Sundance. Reserve judgment and watch it and decide for yourself.

And if the protests grow louder?

We're standing by it. It's very, very powerful.

Will you meet with the Jackson Estate given their newly released 10-page letter and claims that it ignores journalistic ethics?

No. The letter doesn't change anything. The show is airing. It's not changing because of the letter and I ask that everybody watch it and decide for themselves. It's a very, very powerful documentary and I think once they see it, they'll understand.

So, you have no interest in taking a meeting with the Jackson Estate?

No. There are no plans to take a meeting. We are airing the documentary and the letter is not going to change that.
Nothing can be powerful when it is full of LIES.
 
AmitLal92;4240317 said:
Great letter but the HBO boss has said he has no plans to meet with the estate and has no plans not to air it. It’s time to go all guns blazing now..
So
And that right there is very telling.
 
myosotis;4240323 said:
Thank you for this link. Main points are these:

You've set a premiere date for Leaving Neverland. Given the Jackson estate's comments that it's "a tabloid character assassination," do you have any trepidation about airing it?

Not at all. All I would ask is that anybody writing or thinking about it would watch it and reserve judgment until they see it. It's a very powerful documentary.

Are you prepared for potential backlash — or legal action — from the estate?

Yep. [We have] no plans to not air it.

After the Sundance screening and the estate's comments, was there a conversation with HBO CEO Richard Plepler or AT&T CEO John Stankey about sticking with the controversial doc?

No. Let's be clear: What controversy? There were two protesters at Sundance. Reserve judgment and watch it and decide for yourself.

And if the protests grow louder?

We're standing by it. It's very, very powerful.

Will you meet with the Jackson Estate given their newly released 10-page letter and claims that it ignores journalistic ethics?

No. The letter doesn't change anything. The show is airing. It's not changing because of the letter and I ask that everybody watch it and decide for themselves. It's a very, very powerful documentary and I think once they see it, they'll understand.

So, you have no interest in taking a meeting with the Jackson Estate?

No. There are no plans to take a meeting. We are airing the documentary and the letter is not going to change that.

Wow, he's clearly convinced by Robson and Safechuck and couldn't care less about the contradictions
 
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Wow, he's clearly convinced by Robson and Safechuck and couldn't care less about the contradictions
$$$$$$$$$$ is what he is hoping it will make. Let this trash expose what HBO is all about. Like I said, these fools will be taken to task as well. This not going to be some trash MJ and move on as they think if this airs.
 
myosotis;4240323 said:
Thank you for this link. Main points are these:

You've set a premiere date for Leaving Neverland. Given the Jackson estate's comments that it's "a tabloid character assassination," do you have any trepidation about airing it?

Not at all. All I would ask is that anybody writing or thinking about it would watch it and reserve judgment until they see it. It's a very powerful documentary.

Are you prepared for potential backlash — or legal action — from the estate?

Yep. [We have] no plans to not air it.

After the Sundance screening and the estate's comments, was there a conversation with HBO CEO Richard Plepler or AT&T CEO John Stankey about sticking with the controversial doc?

No. Let's be clear: What controversy? There were two protesters at Sundance. Reserve judgment and watch it and decide for yourself.

And if the protests grow louder?

We're standing by it. It's very, very powerful.

Will you meet with the Jackson Estate given their newly released 10-page letter and claims that it ignores journalistic ethics?

No. The letter doesn't change anything. The show is airing. It's not changing because of the letter and I ask that everybody watch it and decide for themselves. It's a very, very powerful documentary and I think once they see it, they'll understand.

So, you have no interest in taking a meeting with the Jackson Estate?

No. There are no plans to take a meeting. We are airing the documentary and the letter is not going to change that.


Obviously disappointing but this interview was with a guy called Casey Bloys, HBO’s head of programming, not the CEO who the letter was addressed to.
 
Estate Attys. to Radar Online: (UNFORMATTED)

Be prepared to laugh with this one :) (Thanks and much love to Mr Steinsapir for this letter :clapping: )

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February 7, 2019

VIA E-MAIL AND FACSIMILE
Radar Online
American Media, Inc.
Attention: General Counsel
4 New York Plaza
New York, NY 10004
Fax: (212) 743-6590
E-Mail: DMCA@amilink.com

Re: Puported Radar Online Artice re “Exhumation of Michael Jackson”
Gentlepersons:

We are counsel to the Co-Executors of the Estate of Michael J. Jackson, as well as
various wholly-owned entities which own intellectual property and other intangible rights
associated with the late Michael Jackson (collectively the “Estate” or the “Jackson Estate”).

The Estate asked me to alert you to the fact that your website, Radar Online, appears
to have fallen victim to a hack by online pranksters who are posting utterly ludicrous articles
on it. In particular, we refer you to the “article” that appeared on your site at 9:30 a.m. on
February 6, 2019, entitled Michael Jackson’s Body May Be Exhumed As 11 More Sex Assault
Victims Come Forward.
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The only thing about the article that struck us as genuine—and not a
hack—was the fact that it was attributed to “Radar Staff.” No individual, of course, would
attach their personal name to such a trashy article full of obvious lies.
In the very unlikely event that this article was indeed a genuine article by “Radar
Online,” could you please ask your “source” when Mr. Jackson’s body will be exhumed? As
the successors to Mr. Jackson’s legal interests, the Estate’s representatives were surprised no
one told them about this unusual development. We see that the source is identified as “an
insider”—can you let us know what asylum he is inside?

1
https://radaronline.com/exclusives/...romcrypt-sexual-assault-scandal-buried-proof/
Radar Online
February 7, 2019
Page 2

Likewise, the article refers to an “army of shell-shocked victims” with “at least 11 new
victims who claim they were molested and even raped by Jackson.” We are shocked that the
Santa Barbara District Attorney’s Office—which spent over a decade on a virtual jihad
against Jackson trying to prove that he was a molester without success, because he was not—
never found this “army of shell-shocked victims.” Perhaps your source—the “insider”—
should start working for law enforcement and finding real child molesters.

The article continues that “Radar has also learned the FBI was accused of covering up
evidence that Jackson was a sex trafficker!” It continues that “Secret files obtained by Radar
show a journalist claimed in 1993 that a starstruck FBI official ‘did not pursue the allegations
because Jackson was to receive an honor at the White House.’” The article states that Mr.
Jackson was at one time being considered for prosecution under “the White Slave Traffic
Act” yet “[d]espite the claims of witnesses who saw him smuggle a 12-year-old across
America by train, the U.S. Attorney dropped the case.” These are shocking accusations of
government misconduct indeed.

Of course, nothing in the article is true. The article is full of maliciously and provably
false statements. If you have fact-checkers—and, frankly, we find that hard to believe in light
of this article—they should be fired on the spot. (We cannot offer you legal advice, but we
believe you have good cause for terminating them.) The only “redeeming” thing we can say
about your “fact checking” here is that the assertions in your article are so absurd that the
article (perhaps) might not “reasonably be understood as describing actual facts.” Hustler
Magazine, Inc. v. Falwell, 485 U.S. 46, 57 (1988).

In closing, it is not our usual practice to tell persons in other professions how to do
their jobs, but we will make an exception here. May we suggest that you try something
different in the future and talk to real, sane, and credible sources? If you had any modicum of
credibility left, you would retract this ridiculous “article.” We hereby demand that you do so.
We understand that your business is failing, but perhaps it would be doing better if you
stopped publishing this ridiculous garbage.

One final point, and lest there be any doubt, nothing stated in this letter should be
construed to waive any of the Jackson Estate’s rights and remedies in connection with this
article—all such rights are expressly reserved.

Kindest regards,

Jonathan Steinsapir

cc: Howard Weitzman, Esq.
Bryan Freedman, Esq.
Jon Fine, Deputy General Counsel, American Media Inc.

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PS The original source for both letters was the MJ Estate on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bto9JiFjzcP/?utm_source=ig_twitter_share&igshid=1te0zvw4nz3e9
 
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Holy shit. That letter to HBO is fantastic, respect to them for that, absolutely! Two big middlefingers up to HBO for completely ignoring the estate, not wanting to meet with them and definitely airing the "documentary". What a terrible piece of shit, I'm sorry.

That letter to Radar Online is superb, damn they have some sense of humor for sure. I needed this laugh. But again, the letter to HBO, that was some powerful stuff!
 
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Holy shit. That letter to HBO is fantastic, respect to them for that, absolutely! Two big middlefingers up to HBO for completely ignoring the estate, not wanting to meet with them and definitely airing the "documentary". What a terrible piece of shit, I'm sorry.

That letter to Radar Online is superb, damn they have some sense of humor for sure. I needed this laugh. But again, the letter to HBO, that was some powerful stuff!
And when this trash air, that letter to HBO needs to be posted on every face book, article column, twitter, Instagam, radio stations, etc to let people see what kind of folks are running HBO. if people are interesting in truth and facts, they would not be doing this. I say again, if these dogs want to play tough, it is going to get tough for them as well. everybody is not stupid and they will have the wool pulled off them.
 
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This is going to get nasty. Something tells me that THIS IS IT! Now we need support from more fans and some of MJ friends.
 
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And when this trash air, that letter to HBO needs to be posted on every face book, article column, twitter, Instagam, etc to let people see what kind of folks are running HBO. if people are interesting in truth and facts, they would not be doing this. I say again, if these dogs want to paly tough, it is going to get tough for them as well. everybody is not stupid and they will have the wool pulled off them.

Oh I'll start with it tomorrow and will post it again after that shit has aired. I have big doubts anyone is gonna actually read it, but then again I don't have terribly many friends on FB (wish anyone could see it when I post such a thing), but you never know. It's a damn long read though, but so worth it.

It's mind-boggling really that the people at HBO would have read this letter and not second guess the documentary at all. If they used to be a well respected network with decent documentaries, that'll end the minute LN airs. I'm trying to grasp why they would decide this, with now the knowledge of what these two men are all about. And then I simply realize....

Anything for money. They start to drool when they think of the potential amount of viewers. I won't be one, not watching a second of that shit. Nor will I be subbing to them to watch Game of Thrones. Yes I look forward to it a lot, but MJ is more important. Enough is goddamned enough and We've had enough!
 
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Is there nothing the estate can do legally after HBO has indeed aired it? Aren't they breaking any rules or anything with such a thing? Basically you can just make a doc about anyone, claim the most horrible shit and if a network picks it up it's all good? Sigh.

Oh and as for Robson and Safechuck who both owe the estate money, what's gonna happen with that? Why haven't they paid the estate yet? Aren't they obliged to pay them what they owe the estate? Also, do we know what Robson's mother has said about this?
 
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This is going to get nasty. Something tells me that THIS IS IT! Now we need support from more fans and some of MJ friends.
Yeah, and this will get nasty for Wade and James and Dan. And what gets me is when this Dan Reed say this is not about Michael YET he named the doc "leaving neverland". Come on fool.
 
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Since Michael is not a living person it puts the estates it takes away alot of power from the estate to do much.. they could find something to pick on but I doubt it would get far..

Theyd have a little more against the director and accusers over HBO.. and even that would be an uphill battle. They are pretty protected..

Depending on how they word things in the documentary it could give them leverage but we will see.
 
Staffordshire Bullterrier;4240339 said:
Is there nothing the estate can do legally after HBO has indeed aired it? Aren't they breaking any rules or anything with such a thing? Basically you can just make a doc about anyone, claim the most horrible shit and if a network picks it up it's all good? Sigh.

Oh and as for Robson and Safechuck who both owe the estate money, what's gonna happen with that? Why haven't they paid the estate yet? Aren't they obliged to pay them what they owe the estate? Also, do we know what Robson's mother has said about this?

I do t know if they can do anything legally. We all know MJ is with Sony and so is Branca. What if Sony tells them we are pulling all our films off HBO and they cannot use any of Sony’s music on any HBO film. We will see if Sony will back MJ. After all HBO isn’t guaranteed for ever but Michael Jackson is.
 
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Well, all that is left to do now is to brace ourselves, and let God take control of what's ahead. This too shall pass, we are stronger than ever. We'll show these fools that evil will not overcome good. Don't dwell on this, keep fighting the battle. We won many of them, but the war is far from over...
 
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