Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[terrell]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

You guys have way too much faith in the general public. They literally believe anything if it's presented in a certain way. This is gonna be damaging big time.

I disagree. I think overall people are tired of this stuff. And with these guys who DEFENDED JACKSON people who are out for the truth are sick of it. I notice no one is hardly writing or posting about what their lawyer is saying "they need to be heard". Idiot, they DEFENDED MJ IN COURT where thier voices were heard where it matters.

 

[mkgenie]

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[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

What part of "the estate should be doing so" don't you understand?

Like it would be taken seriously by anyone it would be called biast and laughed at by the media. And no major network would air it. Theres no point creating such docs when those that control what the gen pub see have an agenda to stop any information that goes against their mantra against mj. Like hughes book for example..you can create the most brill docu but if you cant get anyone to air it and get it out there to the gen public its pointless

 

[PoP]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

Just posted the meme on deviantArt, already posted on Twitter yesterday.

 

[L.T.D]

Is it sad that I still hold out hope for Jordan Chandler and/or Gavin Arvizo to one day come out publicly and admit it was all done for money?

That’s all it would take to put this to rest. I think it would most likely come from Chandler.

If I was Gavin Arvizo I would be thinking that Michael literally helped him beat cancer and he wouldn’t even still be here if it wasn’t for him, yet he played a part in Michael ultimately dying. The least he could do is help now.

 

[Themidwestcowboy]

Is it sad that I still hold out hope for Jordan Chandler and/or Gavin Arvizo to one day come out publicly and admit it was all done for money?

That’s all it would take to put this to rest. I think it would most likely come from Chandler.

If I was Gavin Arvizo I would be thinking that Michael literally helped him beat cancer and he wouldn’t even still be here if it wasn’t for him, yet he played a part in Michael ultimately dying. The least he could do is help now.

Unfortunately I don't think it would end there. Some people would still doubt his innocence even if god himself came and said he was innocent. There are also too many opportunist that would do anything to destroy his name and/or make some money.

 

[L.T.D]

Unfortunately I don't think it would end there. Some people would still doubt his innocence even if god himself came and said he was innocent. There are also too many opportunist that would do anything to destroy his name and/or make some money.

I don’t know about that, one admission with enough publicity I think could really turn it around, it’s definitely the best we could hope for anyway.

 

[terrell]

Is it sad that I still hold out hope for Jordan Chandler and/or Gavin Arvizo to one day come out publicly and admit it was all done for money?

That’s all it would take to put this to rest. I think it would most likely come from Chandler.

If I was Gavin Arvizo I would be thinking that Michael literally helped him beat cancer and he wouldn’t even still be here if it wasn’t for him, yet he played a part in Michael ultimately dying. The least he could do is help now.

Garvin does not matter. It is more Jordan because he got a settlement.

 

[terrell]

I don’t know about that, one admission with enough publicity I think could really turn it around, it’s definitely the best we could hope for anyway.

I agree. It does not work much now because Michael is still loved but Jordan admitted it would stop the haters even more. What more can they say if he come out and admit he lied. Hater looks stupid now with MJ having a trial that clearly showed his innocent but an admission would kill it even more.

 

[Galactus123]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

You can contact Channel 4 here:

https://www.channel4.com/4viewers/contact-us

 

[L.T.D]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

Garvin does not matter. It is more Jordan because he got a settlement.

He definitely matters, the fact he was accused twice is what convinced a lot of people it happened. Like I said, I think Jordan is most likely though....

 

[dmehta]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

What incentive does Jordan have to come forward? He lives a life of anonymity.

 

[L.T.D]

What incentive does Jordan have to come forward? He lives a life of anonymity.

Doing the right thing and having a conscience? I don’t expect him to, but i wish he would and I feel he is the most likely out of the two.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

Can't someone like Corey Feldman just come forward (again, I know) and state that MJ isn't the predator a lot of people still want him to be? He has spoken in the past about being around real predators and that MJ certainly wasn't one of them. Or how about Macaulay Culkin?

It would just be to show support, it won't stop the doc airing.

 

[Carmour260]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

Like all of you, I'm tired of hearing about these false allegations. This is one of things that will stick forever no matter how hard we tried, but we have to keep on trying. That's one of the main reasons why I'm very skeptical about the latest movements that are happening lately.

First of all, my prayers go out to those who were abused growing up, or at some point in their lives. Now, there are people out there who are taking advantage for their own personal gain.

More and more people are aware than you may realize about the allegations against Michael. Yes, the media is worse than ever in general.

 

[terrell]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

He definitely matters, the fact he was accused twice is what convinced a lot of people it happened. Like I said, I think Jordan is most likely though....

No, it was more of the settlement. Garvin was viewed far less especially being in that Martin Bashir and how his mother behave.

 

[L.T.D]

Id say I was going to boycott Channel 4.....but I don’t think I’ve watched anything on there sincerely Big Brother left it in 2010.....terrible channel. Always been a bit trashy, same as Channel 5

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

Is there a website or a summary of the things about Safechuck and Robson? From when their allegations started to when the judge dismissed it? I'd like to have this next time I'm talking to someone who will absolutely fire up this topic to me next time I'm seeing him/them, so I can tell them to read that and bring themselves up to date about it instead of just eating it all up as "news" or even "facts"?

 

[PYT1982]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

HBO's CEO is richard.plepler@hbo.com

 

[dmehta]

Doing the right thing and having a conscience? I don’t expect him to, but i wish he would and I feel he is the most likely out of the two.

In an ideal world, yes, but I can’t see that ever happening. He has a new identity, lives a life of anonymity, he earned a small fortune from the settlement. Coming clean would thrust him into the public eye, would result in a massive backlash against him.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am sick of this! I have known Michael since he was 12 years old. He is my daughter’s Godfather! Lionel and I trusted our precious child with him. Stop with the LIES AND THE MONEY AND ALL OF YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF HIS NAME! &#128545;&#128545;&#128545;&#128545; <a href="https://t.co/JcweAAoOZy">https://t.co/JcweAAoOZy</a></p>&mdash; Brenda Harvey Richie (@BrendaRichie) <a href="https://twitter.com/BrendaRichie/status/1083566388403269633?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sign Petition - <a href="https://t.co/EBYtzIGRaG">https://t.co/EBYtzIGRaG</a> Sign and share on all social media TELL <a href="https://twitter.com/sundancefest?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sundancefest</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/iankatz1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iankatz1000</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/HBO?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@HBO</a> .. We've had Enough of the Bullsh*t -- <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> WILL SURVIVE <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> ...Take it to the bank .. <a href="https://t.co/DT8hn6yqIm">https://t.co/DT8hn6yqIm</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1083784726979072000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">LaToya is looking into the documentary <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeaveMJAlone?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeaveMJAlone</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopLeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopLeavingNeverland</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/StopLeavingNeverlandNOW?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#StopLeavingNeverlandNOW</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JusticeForMJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JusticeForMJ</a> <a href="https://t.co/Oevc7NMjoh">pic.twitter.com/Oevc7NMjoh</a></p>&mdash; lucy (@kjngofpops) <a href="https://twitter.com/kjngofpops/status/1083701932315893760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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[SmoothGangsta]

I haven’t seen one comment on any posts about this on social media that is against Michael, it’s all against the documentary. So far I have no reason to doubt the public will see it for what it is.

The thing hasn't been shown yet. I'm just saying that film makers know how to manipulate people and make them think whatever they want.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am behind you 100%. The MJ community is here for you brother. &#10084;&#65039; <a href="https://t.co/uQfi92lNNe">https://t.co/uQfi92lNNe</a></p>&mdash; Darren Hayes (@darrenhayes) <a href="https://twitter.com/darrenhayes/status/1083505706093821953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Lies, greed, jealousy and hate will always challenge LOVE. But LOVE will always win. It is the strongest force in the universe. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/innocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#innocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/truth?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#truth</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/love?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#love</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/michaeljackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#michaeljackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/youarelove?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#youarelove</a>… <a href="https://t.co/7x8gpEWARY">https://t.co/7x8gpEWARY</a></p>&mdash; Taryll Jackson (@tarylljackson) <a href="https://twitter.com/tarylljackson/status/1083511742439792640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shame on HBO. Shame on Channel 4. Shame on Sundance. <br><br>Absolute disgrace.</p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1083520414243045376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Then he applied for a job choreographing a Michael Jackson tribute show for the MJ Estate. When he didn’t get that job, he filed lawsuits against 50 different people/companies, seeking money from all of them over alleged abuse. He claimed the 50 civil suits were not about money. <a href="https://t.co/ESQnrmh5lx">https://t.co/ESQnrmh5lx</a></p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1083341338714783744?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ne-Yo Says R. Kelly Allegations Don't Compare to Michael Jackson's <a href="https://t.co/a0yTrikuJM">https://t.co/a0yTrikuJM</a></p>&mdash; TMZ (@TMZ) <a href="https://twitter.com/TMZ/status/1083383598076448769?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">10. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh shut up! It was proven he was targeted for his money and extorted by the families, hounded by the media who told lies against him and still, he was cleared of all charges.<br><br>Stop propagating nonsense. <a href="https://t.co/oCnY50DFMZ">https://t.co/oCnY50DFMZ</a></p>&mdash; Ikenna Ronald Nzimora (@ronaldnzimora) <a href="https://twitter.com/ronaldnzimora/status/1083607059323674624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson's nephew defends his uncle following sexual abuse documentary announcement <a href="https://t.co/4PqkrgOCHF">https://t.co/4PqkrgOCHF</a> <a href="https://t.co/tW8cEk8L3h">pic.twitter.com/tW8cEk8L3h</a></p>&mdash; billboard (@billboard) <a href="https://twitter.com/billboard/status/1083566691139964929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">11. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

That tweet by Charles Thomson (who are all these people?) is quite big. But even if the doc was to touch on that (which they won't) I'm sure Wade will point to repressed memories or some shit.

Do we have something like that about Safechuck too? He has supported MJ during the Arvizo trial didn't he?

 

[terrell]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

That tweet by Charles Thomson (who are all these people?) is quite big. But even if the doc was to touch on that (which they won't) I'm sure Wade will point to repressed memories or some shit.

Do we have something like that about Safechuck too? He has supported MJ during the Arvizo trial didn't he?

How can you have a repressed memory when you are asked about Mike every since you were a teen, in your 20's, and early 30's. Also, this clown is seen dancing with Janet at the MTV Michael Jackson tribute in 2009. This stuff can be traced and documented.

 

[Staffordshire Bullterrier]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

How can you have a repressed memory when you are asked about Mike every since you were a teen, in your 20's, and early 30's. Also, this clown is seen dancing with Janet at the MTV Michael Jackson tribute in 2009. This stuff can be traced and documented.

Yeah it's total insanity if you think about it. Even the more crazy that HBO is willing to finance this kind of trash. You would think they first do some research about the people they are covering. They so clearly don't give a damn and just hope it will get tons of viewers watching it. Is this the same with Safechuck? I barely knew about the guy.

If you ever get to talk to a doubter or believer of this trash you can just tell them what you just said. Nobody in their right mind would even consider that to be believable. Yeah except for the people that desperately want MJ to be a predator.

 

[elusive moonwalker]

Re: Sundance Festival 2019 Carrying MJ Molestation Doc

He never claimed repressed memory. He said he knew what mj had done but thought it was normal until he got to 30 and suddenly realised what happened was abuse. Totally ridiculous even more so when he testifyed and was asked all sorts of lurid questions in 05..

Charles thompson? pot kettle black.add latoya to that aswell