Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

[ozemouze]

I know but what makes me sad is MTV.

MTV was never respectful towards MJ. They refused to play him (or any black artists) on rotation in the beginning (until 83!), and even then they were forced to play him due to Thriller's success. This eventually lead to the breaking of racial barriers on the channel but the same people remained in charge... I have a feeling they never forgave MJ for this, and for exceeding their heroes. Sure, they profited from MJs success (hence the MJ days and programs) but they ridiculed and ignored him every given opportunity.

 

[PoP]

His music being banned from the radios doesn't mean he is guilty. They banned his music because they are stupid people, and the people who think like that are stupid too.

Indeed they, they're brains are poisoned and they caught the CancelCulture disease.

MTV was never respectful towards MJ. They refused to play him (or any back artists) on rotation in the beginning (until 83!), and even then they were forced to play him due to Thriller's success. This eventually lead to the breaking of racial barriers on the channel but the same people remained in charge... I have a feeling they never forgave MJ for this, and for exceeding their heroes. Sure, they profited from MJs success (hence the MJ days and programs) but they ridiculed and ignored him every given opportunity.

Plus they even refuse to listen to Michael's suggestion of removing that disrespectful video of Eminem which should not be named off the channel. MTV's not the same anyways and they suck.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ll take my 10 thousand hours of actual experience w/ him over your 4 hour “reality show” experience. And to answer your other question. LN was not pushed aside, it was exposed for the lie it is. You are just late to the party. <a href="https://t.co/IwoDRtQL0H">https://t.co/IwoDRtQL0H</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1205237955956105216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">12. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jezebel writer, today did a piece on Cancel Culture, admitting he thought MJ's public cancellation &quot;seemed inevitable&quot; after LN but went on to hear his music, virtually everywhere in 2019. <a href="https://t.co/cIKTj9q83t">pic.twitter.com/cIKTj9q83t</a></p>&mdash; Nick &#127775; (@MJonTheBrain) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJonTheBrain/status/1204945782459133953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">12. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congrats &amp; thank you, <a href="https://twitter.com/dannywuyue?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@dannywuyue</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a>.<br><br>I've always said the silver lining to the corruption that hit us this year is that it invigorated so many to seek the truth w/ fact-seeking explorations.<br><br>I myself remained largely dormant on this topic for many years, until LN... <a href="https://t.co/AB5AnT0Rcf">https://t.co/AB5AnT0Rcf</a></p>&mdash; TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1205232772232732672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">12. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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[La74]

That's the reason for the ban in the first place, to confuse cause and effect (and rely on circular logic). It's not a genuine concern just a tool in order to control the narrative.

There are some who fell for the trick but I think there are even more who begins to see through the obvious. And that's why there's a gap between major public reaction (rise of online streams, Thriller celebrations at Halloween etc) and MSM/radio/TV ban - as you said, the "the public has spoken" and doesn't care about the "gatekeepers".

I agree and he is played on the radio all the time there I live.

 

[DifferentKindOfLady]

Does MTV even play music any more?

All I ever notice is a bunch of "Teen Moms" and how folks are STILL being Catfished (LOL).

They play the trash who they call music
Yeah that's true! Catfish is on everytime I turn the TV. As for the teen moms I don't know who's who anymore

 

[DifferentKindOfLady]

MTV was never respectful towards MJ. They refused to play him (or any back artists) on rotation in the beginning (until 83!), and even then they were forced to play him due to Thriller's success. This eventually lead to the breaking of racial barriers on the channel but the same people remained in charge... I have a feeling they never forgave MJ for this, and for exceeding their heroes. Sure, they profited from MJs success (hence the MJ days and programs) but they ridiculed and ignored him every given opportunity.

I know that, but I think because of Thriller people started to listen and enjoying MTV much more. I think they owe that to MJ. But no, they treated him like shit especially now, but when he died they were so fake, with the tributes they made to him... Right now that doesn't matter anymore and all they do is ignoring him and pretending he doesn't exist.

 

[terrell]

MTV was never respectful towards MJ. They refused to play him (or any back artists) on rotation in the beginning (until 83!), and even then they were forced to play him due to Thriller's success. This eventually lead to the breaking of racial barriers on the channel but the same people remained in charge... I have a feeling they never forgave MJ for this, and for exceeding their heroes. Sure, they profited from MJs success (hence the MJ days and programs) but they ridiculed and ignored him every given opportunity.

Kurt Ludor was a hater. He always wanted Madonna to rule MTV. He was also the editor of Rolling stone at the time.

 

[ozemouze]

Kurt Ludor was a hater. He always wanted Madonna to rule MTV. He was also the editor of Rolling stone at the time.

I think the name is Loder, but yep (I remember him being a "rock fan", but I guess he was happy with anyone but MJ). And don't get me started on Rolling Stone, bunch of haters and many with a feeling of cultural superiority. I'm still surprised they aren't called out yet on that behaviour. Their covers of MJ are a good example: one with McCartney (so not a solo pic), one (quite racist and belittling) cartoon, 2 only after his death - out of 8 total.

RS was quite successful at spreading the "rock is the only artistic genre" narrative for decades (70-80-90s) and did a lot of damage with dismissing others. The irony is I actually love said rock stuff, but it certainly not the only meaningful music, and the agenda was always obvious and very annoying.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I became a MJ's fan after watching LN out of curiosity (I am a educational psychologist who works with victims and predators) and I realized that R and S are 2 liars. <a href="https://twitter.com/danreed1000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@danreed1000</a>, should I thank you? <a href="https://t.co/4ALuSZ8Xmy">pic.twitter.com/4ALuSZ8Xmy</a></p>&mdash; Marianna Fabiani (@MariannaFabian2) <a href="https://twitter.com/MariannaFabian2/status/1205150402720784384?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">12. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Alh21]

And it´s not just radio stations. At least in my country MTV and VH1 don´t play Michael´s music. The only one playing his music is MCM Pop.

I'm so pleased I live where I do, my local radio station plays at least 3 songs a day by MJ, if not more, especially the DJ that is on at 10am, he must love Michael cause he always playing his music

 

[terrell]

I'm so pleased I live where I do, my local radio station plays at least 3 songs a day by MJ, if not more, especially the DJ that is on at 10am, he must love Michael cause he always playing his music

Where I live at in the United States (SOUTH), MJ was never moved; in fact, I did get on here or searched for MJ info, I would know nothing about MJ being banned and LN would be just more trash someone want to talk about MJ. Plus MJLive came here in Sept and was great and packed.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Thanks to <a href="https://twitter.com/ArtSuperNova?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ArtSuperNova</a> for making and sending me this depiction of me defending (left to right) Brett Kavanaugh, Michael Jackson, Matt Lauer &amp; Joe Paterno on my podcast. <br><br>Matt gave me crap because it appears here that I am much older than him. I told him that I just feel older. <a href="https://t.co/Ve0Twnqedz">pic.twitter.com/Ve0Twnqedz</a></p>&mdash; John Ziegler (@Zigmanfreud) <a href="https://twitter.com/Zigmanfreud/status/1205997345910878209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">14. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Teaching my nephew some values. And he LOVED IT! This is the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Legacy?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Legacy</a> we pass onto younger generations. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJinspires?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJinspires</a> <a href="https://t.co/PGjsbdasZt">pic.twitter.com/PGjsbdasZt</a></p>&mdash; Ika Ferrer Goti&#263; (@IkaFerrerGotic) <a href="https://twitter.com/IkaFerrerGotic/status/1201912058205396992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">3. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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[DifferentKindOfLady]

I'm so pleased I live where I do, my local radio station plays at least 3 songs a day by MJ, if not more, especially the DJ that is on at 10am, he must love Michael cause he always playing his music

Where I live radio stations also play Michael music. But MTV Portugal and VH1 don't.
Thank God there are people who don't let themselves fool by the mockumentary!

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> does such a great job providing facts, educating others with the truth. The Fam being willing/able to take the prosecutorial role of 'burden of proof' while defending a man shows how great the community is.<br><br>26yrs of this BS, the accusers &amp; bandwagon are still on hearsay.</p>&mdash; Rasheed (@rasheedKOPV) <a href="https://twitter.com/rasheedKOPV/status/1206614909959589890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On December 22nd @ 12:00 PM PST we will reflect on 2019 LIVE with <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@tajjackson3</a>. If you're not subscribed to the channel yet, make sure you do and click the notifications bell so you won't miss it! <a href="https://t.co/Oe0z9yWRvH">https://t.co/Oe0z9yWRvH</a></p>&mdash; &#128074;&#127995; The Michael Jackson Innocent Project (@MJInnocent2019) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJInnocent2019/status/1206342029124554752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">15. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My timeline is really starting to swing away from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a> discussion and back to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a>’s art. Sooo refreshing. Just in time for Christmas... Continuing the vibe by watching a first leg Bad World Tour show while podcast editing. Aaow! &#127876;&#9996;&#127997; <a href="https://t.co/yOVIbQ2FdY">pic.twitter.com/yOVIbQ2FdY</a></p>&mdash; Jamon Bull (@JamonBull) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamonBull/status/1206533018292088832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">16. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

For months, some fans from the german community have been working on a "counter docu" for television. Now the time has come. The broadcasting date is here: THANKS, we are proud of you

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A MUST WATCH. Rickey Smiley, Eva Marcille and Da Brat calling Oprah out on Michael Jackson and people of color who have not been convicted of any crime. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> MAKE SOME NOISE. WATCH AND SHARE! <a href="https://t.co/ki1a4BGUo7">https://t.co/ki1a4BGUo7</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1207020989382479872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson was acquitted on all charges.<br>Russell Simmons passed lie detector tests.<br><br>One word for Oprah: Reckless</p>&mdash; Diamond and Silk® (@DiamondandSilk) <a href="https://twitter.com/DiamondandSilk/status/1206997766519562240?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson on the 2019<a href="https://twitter.com/billboard?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Billboard</a> Year-End ARTIST Charts! &#128081;<br><br>In total, Michael appears on 10 various Billboard 2019 Year-End Charts (at higher positions than last year). &#128293; <a href="https://t.co/7VetQ7y7hX">pic.twitter.com/7VetQ7y7hX</a></p>&mdash; MJJLegion &#9813; (@MJJLegion) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJLegion/status/1206752586835075072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">17. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Paris78]

For months, some fans from the german community have been working on a "counter docu" for television. Now the time has come. The broadcasting date is here: THANKS, we are proud of you

 

[ScreenOrigami]

I lost all respect for The Guardian. And I really used to like their articles.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8216;I was surprised how unceasing the abuse was&#8217;: the fallout from Leaving Neverland <a href="https://t.co/GVAR7JVYdu">https://t.co/GVAR7JVYdu</a></p>&mdash; The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1207349959516999680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[travis3000]

I lost all respect for The Guardian. And I really used to like their articles.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#8216;I was surprised how unceasing the abuse was&#8217;: the fallout from Leaving Neverland <a href="https://t.co/GVAR7JVYdu">https://t.co/GVAR7JVYdu</a></p>&#8212; The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1207349959516999680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I just read that article, so disgusting. That stupid writer lives in her METOO bubble convinced MJ's reputation has been destroyed, as his 35 year old Thriller album remains in the Top 100 best selling albums of the week LOL. Some people need to get a clue.

 

[PoP]

I just read that article, so disgusting. That stupid writer lives in her METOO bubble convinced MJ's reputation has been destroyed, as his 35 year old Thriller album remains in the Top 100 best selling albums of the week LOL. Some people need to get a clue.

I'd spit at that writer for that crap article and being poisoned as well.

 

[ozemouze]

I lost all respect for The Guardian. And I really used to like their articles.

Same here. :fear:

It's really an upside down world with MJ, isn't it? The Guardian pretending not knowing the inconsistencies in LN, throwing fact checking out of the window and willingly participating in this obvious agenda... and then you have Geraldo Rivera from FOX presenting facts since 2003?

BBC is the same. And all these opinion pieces instead of facts?! It's hard to digest to see how fake they really are.

With Oprah I was not surprised. She was always phoney.

 

[Paris78]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Quote of the Day, from 2005... <a href="https://t.co/vRUAjUdAlE">pic.twitter.com/vRUAjUdAlE</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1207379452583243776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Robson/Safechuck Case: Here's what wasn't mentioned by the duo during their TMZ celebration nor by the media last month.<br><br>The panel of judges made clear the non-statute related merit issues in JS' case would also carry back to trial court, so will get their own renewed hearings. <a href="https://t.co/PE70306sOq">pic.twitter.com/PE70306sOq</a></p>&mdash; TSCM (@MJJRepository) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1207135068801642503?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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[ozemouze]

I just read that article, so disgusting. That stupid writer lives in her METOO bubble convinced MJ's reputation has been destroyed, as his 35 year old Thriller album remains in the Top 100 best selling albums of the week LOL. Some people need to get a clue.

There's simply no way that, when presented with information (court transcripts and video depositions already processed by others in a digestible format), a journalist (or any curious person, really) wouldn't click to skip through them, at least to check out what all the fuss is about.

Then, even a mediocre journalist would smell a big story in the possibility of LN being the hoax of the year, would investigate further, contact witnesses from both sides (and not only for the sake of fairness, but because that's what makes a story) and would write a follow-up to the first article with the updated "sensational" information.

The fact that they do the opposite proves it's not even bad journalism, it's not journalism at all - it's propaganda.

 

[ScreenOrigami]

There's simply no way that, when presented with information (court transcripts and video depositions already processed by others in a digestible format), a journalist (or any curious person, really) wouldn't click to skip through them, at least to check out what all the fuss is about.

Then, even a mediocre journalist would smell a big story in the possibility of LN being the hoax of the year, would investigate further, contact witnesses from both sides (and not only for the sake of fairness, but because that's what makes a story) and would write a follow-up to the first article with the updated "sensational" information.

The fact that they do the opposite proves it's not even bad journalism, it's not journalism at all - it's propaganda.

I couldn&#8217;t agree more. And I must say, 2019 has changed the way I look at the media. Forever. And I already was a critical reader to begin with.

 

[La74]

I couldn&#8217;t agree more. And I must say, 2019 has changed the way I look at the media. Forever. And I already was a critical reader to begin with.

My thoughts exactly! Or rather it was a BIG reminder and this time I think it changed the way I look at the media forever.

 

[DifferentKindOfLady]

Same for me. Right now I just don't know if what I'm reading is the truth or not. I don't know if the media is trying to ruin someone's life or if what they are telling is really accurate. Because I think the people who wrote that kind of stuff they're not journalists. A real journalist seek for the truth no matter what. The real ones don't destroy other peoples lives nor throw them into the bus.

 

[PoP]

Same for me. Right now I just don't know if what I'm reading is the truth or not. I don't know if the media is trying to ruin someone's life or if what they are telling is really accurate. Because I think the people who wrote that kind of stuff they're not journalists. A real journalist seek for the truth no matter what. The real ones don't destroy other peoples lives nor throw them into the bus.

The media is getting themselves in the middle of the war between truth/facts and lies and they wanna get involved for the thrill of satisfying stupid people and posioning their minds and to agitate us severely.

 

[ozemouze]

I think what suprised me most this year is how obviously the agenda was shown, I mean they weren't even trying to hide it and at least look fair. Plus the lame, tabloidish way they did it (clickbait titles, opinion pieces without knowing anything about the actual subject, lynch mob mentality, and some really, really dumb individuals - not that I know what's worse, a dumb journalist or a corrupt one). What's alarming is they still push this fiasco even though they must have realised by now how out of touch they are with the majority of the public in this.

 

[La74]

I think what suprised me most this year is how obviously the agenda was shown, I mean they weren't even trying to hide it and at least look fair. Plus the lame, tabloidish way they did it (clickbait titles, opinion pieces without knowing anything about the actual subject, lynch mob mentality, and some really, really dumb individuals - not that I know what's worse, a dumb journalist or a corrupt one). What's alarming is they still push this fiasco even though they must have realised by now how out of touch they are with the majority of the public in this.

I keep thinking was it always this way but it didn&#8217;t seem as obvious when I was younger and didn&#8217;t have access to social media?

 

[La74]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There aren&#39;t only long time fans defending <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJ?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJ</a> There are many ppl like me for whom the narrative of DR film wasn&#39;t convincing.<br>My research let me see that the accusers have a HIGHLY monetary interest &amp; their stories are DEMONSTRABLY full of contradictions.</p>&mdash; inlovewiththe80s &#55356;&#57270; (@inlovewiththe81) <a href="https://twitter.com/inlovewiththe81/status/1207398042992820224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 18, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>