ScreenOrigami
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Yup, the presumption of innocence is something we shouldn’t have to politely beg people to consider. It’s a human right, and it applies to everyone.
Sadly, MJ is simply not a human being for some. That's the root of this whole situation starting from 93. Shame on everyone (journalists, comedians, filmmakers, celebrities, police officers, DAs, talking head experts and Oprah Winfrey) who contributed to it, and still continues to do so.ScreenOrigami;4275533 said:Yup, the presumption of innocence is something we shouldn’t have to politely beg people to consider. It’s a human right, and it applies to everyone.
Sadly, MJ is simply not a human being for some. That's the root of this whole situation starting from 93. Shame on everyone (journalists, comedians, filmmakers, celebrities, police officers, DAs, talking head experts and Oprah Winfrey) who contributed to it, and still continues to do so.
Sadly, MJ is simply not a human being for some. That's the root of this whole situation starting from 93. Shame on everyone (journalists, comedians, filmmakers, celebrities, police officers, DAs, talking head experts and Oprah Winfrey) who contributed to it, and still continues to do so.
I agree that rehumanizing MJ would be the most crucial thing, but I have no idea how it can be done as it's a tricky subject unfortunately: how can you reach a public that don't want to listen and how you find the best context anyway?And I strongly believe we should start our own orchestrated social media PR campaign to change that.
ozemouze;4275540 said:I agree that rehumanizing MJ would be the most crucial thing, but I have no idea how it can be done as it's a tricky subject unfortunately: how can you reach a public that don't want to listen and how you find the best context anyway?
You can't reply to someone who "just watched LN" (lol) with "but he was a great humanitarian, and look how funny and original person he was", they won't accept this "defence", and rightly so. In this context you must send them dry facts e.g. construction permits - with rational thinking people this might work but the rest likely won't ever bother. You can't promote "MJ the person" randomly either as it would be... random, plus it can backfire easily ("but people can have good and bad sides as well" at best, "...doesn't matter as he was a monster" at worst).
It's a Catch-22 as a lot of people should "get" MJ first to be able to process the information about his innocence, but they won't be willing to accept him as a person until they aren't aware of his innocence. :/
Yeah I noticed that and it's indeed brings more positivity usually.Some fans are actually doing this already, but we can certainly do way more.
Just to clarify: she wasn't harassed, she was asked a simple, reasonable question. Please don't accept her distortion of the events as factual. And it's very childish from her that she thinks being annoyed justifies not wanting to know the truth ("I stopped listening").
I agree. And I strongly believe we should start our own orchestrated social media PR campaign to change that.
That's the one she chose to rant about. ¯\_(ツ_/¯Amaya;4275557 said:Were there other people @'ing her besides the one that calmly asked the question? I could see her getting threatening remarks from others which... would not be good. But if she's saying this specific question is harassment then yeah....
ozemouze;4275561 said:That's the one she chose to rant about. ¯\_(ツ_/¯
There have been some rude tweets but most people were sending facts, Square One etc, or just asking questions trying to make her think. And she blocked everyone, not just the offensive ones.
And it's actually her who is rude to Taj and accuses him for sending "his folks" at her. She's a public figure, willingly accepting and using this role, so she should be able to cope with others disagreeing with her. And she as a blue tick celebrity has more responsibility than random tweeters because she is granted a wider platform. She has no problem spreading lies about MJ but acts all pissed of and "stops listening" when she's confronted about it (it's all an act though as she was never willing to listen to begin with). Very mature.
She quoted this tweet later as proof for harassment, but considering it was then "8 mins ago" how could she forsee it hours before? Another time traveler?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="hu"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If she think that bad ,Taj you should show her screenshoots of crap you and your family get every single day.</p>— Lady E (@TheRockStarE) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheRockStarE/status/1200685735193563136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2019. november 30.</a></blockquote>
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Plus she's way too easily offended. Was this tweet rude and uncalled for? Yes. But I wouldn't consider it harassment.
She even blocked me and I was nice. I will NEVER watch nothing of hers and I will tell everyone about her. These people have no power like they use to (see how Kid Rock degraded Oprah). No, they know this was BS on MJ and they hate to admit they are wrong. Ava can dish it bit can not take it. I can careless if she does not like MJ and she can believe what she wants (does not make it true. I told her u want to think MJ guilty. so what. that does not make it so just like there are some people who still think Central Park 5 are still guilty despite all evidence showing they were innocent). She just proved she is a joke. I say there is someone who is behind this and I am even more convince of this now but their lies wont work.somewhereinthedark;4275563 said:Don’t fall for this ploy. This is what haters use to deflect. No one is harassing this creature. She is a liar and a coward. People like her can dish it out; but, can’t handle when it is thrown back in their faces. She flat out LIED on Taj and that needs to be constantly and consistently brought up and rebuked by actually showing exactly what he said. Again, Ava is a LIAR and she intentionally lied on Taj to silence him and other fans. I don’t care if she blocks fans or not, she needs to be called out not only on her hypocrisy, but her blantant LIES about Taj and other fans only asking her a simple question and her refusal to answer it. She is fake and that needs to be spread everywhere.
terrell;4275573 said:She even blocked me and I was nice. I will NEVER watch nothing of hers and I will tell everyone about her. These people have no power like they use to (see how Kid Rock degraded Oprah). No, they know this was BS on MJ and they hate to admit they are wrong. Ava can dish it bit can not take it. I can careless if she does not like MJ and she can believe what she wants (does not make it true. I told her u want to think MJ guilty. so what. that does not make it so just like there are some people who still think Central Park 5 are still guilty despite all evidence showing they were innocent). She just proved she is a joke. I say there is someone who is behind this and I am even more convince of this now but their lies wont work.
Yeah I noticed that and it's indeed brings more positivity usually.
Thank you for your positive outlook and attitude on things and proactivity BTW!
Especially since we may start to see long-term effects of this before long. I recently saw a post on Reddit from someone who decided to come forward with their story about being abused as a kid, and they cited a discussion of "how MJ manipulated his victims" (I think it was from a podcast or something) as the catalyst for speaking out. I fear that the more people cite LN and all the expert talk about it as their reason for coming forward with their own stories, the more credibility it and R&S may gain, regardless of how obvious the inconsistencies with their stories are.
You're welcome. :flowers: I really appreciate how intelligent and well-thought-out your positive PR idea is. Please apply for a job at the Estate.Thanks for your kind words.
ozemouze;4275584 said:You're welcome. :flowers: I really appreciate how intelligent and well-thought-out your positive PR idea is. Please apply for a job at the Estate.
Ugh, that's such a shame, too. This whole "documentary" is a mockery of people who have actually experienced abuse like this. People are going to cite that (the encouragement of people to come out with their stories) as justification for LN, too; they'll say stuff like "even if that isn't true, look at how it's helped others talk about this." We definitely need to help actual victims, but not at the expense of innocent people like Michael.
That is no justifications and wont fly. It was lie and MJ should not have been used. There are PLENTY of CONVICTED people who could have been used to prove a point. Just like when Oprah said this "transend MJ", black twitter said she sound stupid and did not make no sense. She talked about MJ. In the end, it failed and did not solved nothing and did NOT put a "serious" focus on abuse. It ONLY ticked people and now have people calling out these liars even Dave Chappell. It is turned into a mockery.
That is no justifications and wont fly. It was lie and MJ should not have been used. There are PLENTY of CONVICTED people who could have been used to prove a point.
Wow, great video from this lady!Paris78;4276051 said:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If only all people who look to vilify and condemn Michael were as level headed, fair, objective and honest as this woman here... �� �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJacksonIsInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJacksonIsInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KingOfPop?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KingOfPop</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y4u9nTpfWT">https://t.co/Y4u9nTpfWT</a></p>— Danny Oliver (@DannyMJOliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyMJOliver/status/1203306506453737472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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Paris78;4276051 said:<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">U R certainly allowed your opinion, & as U know I stand w ALL <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VICTIMS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VICTIMS</a>. However that will never negate the times & memories we shared. Those were R experiences & while I was a victim of molestation, my time w MJ was pure & innocent, & that is the person I choose 2 remember.</p>— Corey Feldman (@Corey_Feldman) <a href="https://twitter.com/Corey_Feldman/status/1202794698215059457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">6. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If only all people who look to vilify and condemn Michael were as level headed, fair, objective and honest as this woman here... �� �� <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJackson</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJacksonIsInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MichaelJacksonIsInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJInnocent?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJInnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KingOfPop?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KingOfPop</a> <a href="https://t.co/Y4u9nTpfWT">https://t.co/Y4u9nTpfWT</a></p>— Danny Oliver (@DannyMJOliver) <a href="https://twitter.com/DannyMJOliver/status/1203306506453737472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">7. Dezember 2019</a></blockquote>
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The only ones who feel that are non black people. Blacks know what this feels like. It has been the life of many blacks. Image those who have this and went to prison and now being let out after 5, 10, 15, 20, 30 years for a crime they did NOT commit. And when u see some blacks go along with this (very few but their are some Like Oprah, Ava), it is to "think" they will stay in good grace with whites and the powers that be. WELCOME TO BLACK AMERICA or just being black.Wow, great video from this lady!
"I realised I wanted him to be guilty as I begun to see what was done to him and what he suffered, I wanted him to be guilty because it was intolerable if all this was done to an innocent man" - that's what she felt during her reasearch and as horrible as it sounds she hit the nail on the head with that (and it was very brave from her to acknowledge and confess this feeling).
I'm convinced it's a general (although unconscious) sentiment among the public and also a reason (unfortunately) why many aren't brave enough to investigate further. Realising that an innocent person was subjected to this horrible inhuman treatment is frightening, so it's much more comforting to be willfully blind and believe all this was done to a guilty man who deserved it.
"But of course I followed the facts and yes, he was innocent and it broke my heart" - this lady was brave enough to face the devastating truth (and you can see she's clearly heartbroken by it). Kudos to her for it!