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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Michael Jackson is our brother and son. We are furious that the media, who without a shred of proof or single piece of physical evidence, chose to believe the word of two admitted liars over the word of hundreds of families and friends around the world who spent time with Michael, many at Neverland, and experienced his legendary kindness and global generosity. We are proud of what Michael Jackson stands for.

People have always loved to go after Michael. He was an easy target because he was unique. But Michael was subjected to a thorough investigation which included a surprise raid of Neverland and other properties as well as a jury trial where Michael was found to be COMPLETELY INNOCENT. There has never been one piece of proof of anything. Yet the media is eager to believe these lies.

Michael always turned the other cheek, and we have always turned the other cheek when people have gone after members of our family – that is the Jackson way. But we can’t just stand by while this public lynching goes on, and the vulture tweeters and others who never met Michael go after him. Michael is not here to defend himself, otherwise these allegations would not have been made.

The creators of this film were not interested in the truth. They never interviewed a single solitary soul who knew Michael except the two perjurers and their families. That is not journalism, and it’s not fair, *yet the media are perpetuating these stories.

But the truth is on our side. Go do your research about these opportunists. The facts don’t lie, people do. Michael Jackson was and always will be 100% innocent of these false allegations.

The Jackson Family.
 
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Hmm... I get little bit doubts now if all people here are real MJ fans cause these fans I think actually needs no poof for Michaels innocence, they know it 100 percent cause they can feel it deep down in their hearts when they listen to him. He was a very authentic honest man who had much diffiulties to lie or hold something back.
MJ could merge compleatly with music physically and spiritually. When he performed it on stage or in the studio he hold nothing back and gave his compleate innerself and his feelings about the diffent songs into his art.
People like me can still feel this feelings and his spirit there.
When you for example compare the songs where he sings about children and woman you can feel only in one category a sexual energy and then you have one more evidence which is maybe the best!
I still belive in Michael 100 percent and I think noone can take this away in this year!
And I won't give him up or let him down when he is compleaty defenceless and can't speak anymore for himself.
I think it shoud be forbitten to acuse a dead person for a crime. That is unfair!
Then everyone can do this now and destroy the legecy and the name of a dead superstar.
To testify under oth and change your story many years later when you can expect money shoudn't be allowed eighther!
 
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Jacobshagen might be the worst yet. Asked MJCast to be interviewed on MJs 60th and sharing MJ videos until a month ago on FB.

So easy to see through it.

My heart really hurts that someone could go through this, especially someone like MJ
 
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I don't see some of these comments as having doubts, but instead just wanting to be very clear and correct in the things we say when defending Michael. They can correct me if I'm wrong. You can't approach the general public in a fanatical way or you wont be taken seriously. The pure facts are enough.

I used to think about all the scammers and shady individuals that became associated with MJ and think "gee, Michael sure knew how to pick them". But I now more than ever realise that these types of people sought him out and they did it for a reason. Because they are the types of people looking for an opportunity or to capitalise from knowing him. These are the types of people that were constantly trying to get close to him and so some of them made it through the cracks. These are not your run of the mil every day people just looking for a friendship. It's no surprise that Safechuck and Robson were in showbiz from a very young age so presumably (and definitely in Wade's case) had stage parents. Michael was simply too nice and trusting. This is what happens when you let people like this into your life. They have no real regard for you. Only from what they can get from you.
 
dmehta;4238631 said:
Such an eye opener.

It even states in there that the whole story about Norma Staikos being a 'madame', procuring young boys for Michael (which Wade used in his lawsuit) was in Gutierrez's book.

This is what needs to be exposed. A filthy book which is banned in the US, whose author was ordered to pay MJ over $2mill in damages and then fled the country, was used as the basis of many of Wade and Jimmy's claims in their lawsuits.
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Holy shit. And these lies are being said in the new "doc" as well? I know there are tons of disgusting things claimed in the "doc", but a lot actually are based on that book by Victor? Unbelievable, and people just eat it up. This needs to be out there!

elusive moonwalker;4238634 said:
Michael Jackson is our brother and son. We are furious that the media, who without a shred of proof or single piece of physical evidence, chose to believe the word of two admitted liars over the word of hundreds of families and friends around the world who spent time with Michael, many at Neverland, and experienced his legendary kindness and global generosity. We are proud of what Michael Jackson stands for.

People have always loved to go after Michael. He was an easy target because he was unique. But Michael was subjected to a thorough investigation which included a surprise raid of Neverland and other properties as well as a jury trial where Michael was found to be COMPLETELY INNOCENT. There has never been one piece of proof of anything. Yet the media is eager to believe these lies.

Michael always turned the other cheek, and we have always turned the other cheek when people have gone after members of our family – that is the Jackson way. But we can’t just stand by while this public lynching goes on, and the vulture tweeters and others who never met Michael go after him. Michael is not here to defend himself, otherwise these allegations would not have been made.

The creators of this film were not interested in the truth. They never interviewed a single solitary soul who knew Michael except the two perjurers and their families. That is not journalism, and it’s not fair, *yet the media are perpetuating these stories.

But the truth is on our side. Go do your research about these opportunists. The facts don’t lie, people do. Michael Jackson was and always will be 100% innocent of these false allegations.

The Jackson Family.
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Good statement. Hopefully we'll soon get to find out what Taj meant in his latest tweet. That he couldn't say anything else, it sure seemed like he had plans. Can't just have been this statement by the brothers. I hope not.
 
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To piggyback off of that, the kids that spent the most time with Michael... Emmanuel Lewis, Macaulay Culkin, Brett Barnes and the Cascio's all say nothing sexual ever happened. I'm not sure if Corey Feldman spent quite as much time with him as they did, but he also says nothing happened.

Macauley was already a huge star when he met Michael. Michael sought him out because he knew what it was like to be a child star. Macauley didn't want or need anything from Michael and neither did his parents. Same with Corey. Same with Emmanuel.

Brett I don't know much about, but I don't think he was ever trying to get into showbiz. Nor do I know about his parents motives. Seemingly he just hit it off as a pure friend to Michael.

The Cascio's tried to capitalise off of him in a different way but I won't get into that here.
 
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Yeah all I wanted to say is you can never have a 100 percent proof that MJ is innocent but you can feel it that he is 100 percent innocent.
And this is the only way to know it 100 Percent.
Don't worry I don't use such arguments anymore outside since the new year started. ;-)
 
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ManBehindTheMirror - Girl said:
Yeah all I wanted to say is you can never have a 100 percent proof that MJ is innocent but you can feel it that he is 100 percent innocent.
And this is the only way to know it 100 Percent.
Don't worry I don't use such arguments anymore outside since the new year started. ;-)
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Yeah, but no one can say these people even Jordan are victims. A innocent person can not show you something if it never happen.
 
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Let's face it, Jordy Chandler was damaged goods when he met Michael Jackson. His bio Dad was in arrears in his child support payments. This was over $60, 000. Evan and Jordy did not have much of a relationship, either. Evan was a dentist and this led him to Hollywood. He was an opportunist. He found an opportunity to exploit one of the biggest star's around, someone who took an interest in helping his son to have a better childhood, Michael Jackson. In fact, Michael empathisized with kid's like Jordy. Michael had gone through his own pain and suffering as a child. He was treated more like an adult, instead of a kid. It's why Michael did have the sleep overs and talked about sharing his bed. He understood the suffering of not being able to do those things and this was why he enjoyed kid's company, over being a womanizer, like R Kelly.

Michael Jackson empathisized with children's suffering. For this, his sharing his good fortune, monetarily, he was made to pay. If Evan had been mandatorily made to pay his child support, out of his pay check's, maybe Evan would have been whistling a different tune. The only pattern I see going on today, with Wade and James accusations, is the same opportunistic pattern started by Evan Chandler. Michael Jackson did not need to rape a kid to feel powerful, but someone like Evan Chandler needed to, so he raped the relationship Michael Jackson and Jordy Chandler had developed, because Evan wasn't man enough to have already done so. Evan was not much of a Dad at all. He was just a bio Dad. Evan wanted money, a producer, to fund his projects. He started with one of his own dental patients, someone who had a script ready to go. The Robin Hood Men In Tights screenplay. Yep...Evan Chandler was an opportunist and nothing and no one was going to get in his way. His own brother, Ray, got into the act, Ray wrote a book based on Evan's conjured up make believe story of a fictional account of the relationship between Michael and Jordy.

Yep, Michael gave Evan this money to start up his projects. But, Evan never did anything else, he left town because the District Attorney of Los Angeles did not find any evidence to convict Michael Jackson, back in 1993. Bert Fields believes if Michael Jackson had gone to Court at that time, Michael would have won his case. End of story or is it. Nope, Wade and James are opportunists just like Evan and Ray Chandler.
 
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terrell said:
Yeah, but no one can say these people even Jordan are victims. A innocent person can not show you something if it never happen.
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This is why I said you can not know, you can only feel it and why I said I don't use this argument outside cause only fans who have occupy themself deeply and intensive with MJ can understand what I mean.
Lets end this discussion this thread is for more important things. ;-)
 
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KOPV said:
.. we can say for certain wade has made multiple versions/stories that contradict each other, we can say for certain he lied..
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TRUE!!!!!

I'll tell you one thing: There are a huge amount of YOUTUBE videos wherein Wade Robson is singing Michael's praises, before and after MJ's death. I was surprised to see so many. (I did a little YouTube search over the weekend, out of curiosity.)

The YouTube video of particular interest to me, is the one wherein Robson is being interviewed regarding the Cirque Show in Las Vegas. Robson is going on and on about how happy he was to be selected for the job, and how he planned to HONOR MJ with this show. But we all know that Robson NEVER got that job. That job went to Jamie King.

Aside from that, why would he even want to HONOR his "alleged" abuser!!?? There is no way to explain that, in my opinion.

I guess nobody ever told Wade that the INTERNET IS FOREVER!!!!!! Not only is he a LIAR, he's a "I'm Smarter Than Everybody Else" LIAR!!!!!!
 
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Thats what i was exactly going to say where are these claims from mccauley? Sean lennon, brett barnes and many others who where with Michael tons of times are spent a lot more time than these 2.
 
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ManBehindTheMirror - Girl said:
This is why I said you can not know, you can only feel it and why I said I don't use this argument outside cause only fans who have occupy themself deeply and intensive with MJ can understand what I mean.
Lets end this discussion this thread is for more important things. ;-)
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I agree. Just like that part of these saying MJ threaten his mother. REALLY. Anyone who met MJ will tell that does not add up. People whom MJ should have threaten, MJ did not do that.
 
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And to think this is only after Sundance. End of February it airs on channel 4,doesnt it? And later on HBO, sigh. This shit storm is only just getting started. Really hope Taj has something big coming.
 
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Before it aires on televison, Taj should air something on youtube. Not a complete documentery but anything useful like interviews with some people who spend time with Michael as a child...
He should give it to big channel with many subscribers.
 
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This talk about you don't know 100% certain this or that.. well of course not, we cant even say for certain if our spouses are loyal to us.. but you can have clarity of knowlege pointing us to a logical answer.

Logically the allegations dont add up. I'm not the greatest with math but I understand probabilities and it's very unlikely for these allegations to be true.

Story 1 + story 2 + story 3 doesnt add up to truth..
 
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Since there exists no physical evidence the allegations against Michael by Dumb and Dumber come down to credibility. The question then is, are these fine young men credible? Hmm... I think they'd have a pretty hard time in court.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’ve been sitting here reading all your messages &amp; I hear U &amp; feel U. My uncle would be so proud of us. I thought now would be a good time for an update because a lot of you are feeling helpless. Please don’t. Hold your head up high &amp; stay proud. Show the world your love for MJ.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1089701112389677056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">&#128591;&#127997; yes. PROOF <a href="https://t.co/CrkRXoJWYa">https://t.co/CrkRXoJWYa</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1089612283968249856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can tell you we have many strong allies on our side. <a href="https://t.co/RDIuMVSbZj">https://t.co/RDIuMVSbZj</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1089703034668511232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Actually, your headline is a bit misleading. Fans are simply demanding that the media report the proof we already know is there. But thanks for at least acknowledging that there is more to the story than the word of two men whose claims have already been dismissed in court.</p>&mdash; Raven Woods (@emailraven) <a href="https://twitter.com/emailraven/status/1089592893004828673?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">27. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson’s Family Calls ‘Leaving Neverland’ Documentary a ‘Public Lynching’ <a href="https://t.co/PP22HQ4MGg">https://t.co/PP22HQ4MGg</a></p>&mdash; Variety (@Variety) <a href="https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1089899119215288320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">When Robson came forward with his claims in 2013, Barnes made vague mention of the allegations, writing, “I wish people would realise, in your last moments on this earth, all the money in the world will be of no comfort. My clear conscience will.”<a href="https://t.co/v4RlTWVjpz">https://t.co/v4RlTWVjpz</a></p>&mdash; Charles Thomson (@CEThomson) <a href="https://twitter.com/CEThomson/status/1089915179167612929?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Michael Jackson's family denounces documentary as 'public lynching' <a href="https://t.co/qU0hW0A5vj">https://t.co/qU0hW0A5vj</a></p>&mdash; The Guardian (@guardian) <a href="https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1089882642437341184?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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Dear ARMY of MOONWALKERS we URGE you to come together in PEACEFUL PROTEST by Channel 4 headquarters in London to Boycott releasing of disgusting documentary Leaving Neverland in UK TV and show public the true Angelic Beauty of MICHAEL J JACKSON

The Documentary will be released on Channel 4 early spring we would like to ask you to come and JOIN us on journey of series of protest prior UK release of the documentary to get it banned and shelved.

First protest will take place on Wednesday 6th of March 2019 at 122-124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX closest Tube station is ST James Park.

Please come in masses every person counts share with everyone in MJ Community we all need to work in UNITY as in numbers is a Strength. We have organised it for Wednesday as we need to be heard by decision makers and they will definitely not be there on weekend.

Anyone interested to be part of organising the event please don’t hesitate to contact us every hand is needed

LOVE YOU ALL ANGELS and THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELP and SUPPORT &#128149;&#128149;&#128149;&#10084;&#65039;

A documentary titled "Leaving Neverland" is debuted at the Sundance Film Festival. The film's creators, Wade Robson & James Safechuck, filed two cases against Michael's estate. They were dropped for the sake of accuracy. They also testified under oath that Jackson never harmed them. Due to this case, Robson is bankrupt. The producer of the film is Dan Reed. This film is based on the falsified claims of molestation by the hands of Michael Jackson. As Michael's innocence was proven by a court of law and a 10 year FBI investigation, this is legally considered defamation of character. This mendacious documentary should NOT see the light of day.
 
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xscape guy 2003 said:
What makes my blood boil is that people think that US AS fans would still support, listen and play MICHAELS music/videos if there was any shred of full eveidence to suggest/ show that Michael was this monster they are trying to portray him as.

I for one would drop him like a hot potato!
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Same here.

It's ironic that one of the most genuine, most authentic, most honest, most public and transparent artists, who opened up his soul for all the world to see and who shared his demons with the world, would then be portrayed as this conniving and manipulating criminal genius. It is a tested strategy to point the finger at someone and accuse that person to be the polar opposite of who they really are.

And Michael knew. Didn't he sing "You try to get me to lose the man I really am"?
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Next tweet I am posting the Q&amp;A of Robson/Safechuck. Let me preface by saying that I was the only person in that audience that was not standing or clapping. It was painful to watch. I not a professional videographer and some parts are hard to hear.</p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1089941241473654784?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Robson/Safechuck Q&amp;A Salt Lake City 1/26/19. <a href="https://t.co/1Mmd8KXge8">https://t.co/1Mmd8KXge8</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1089941383966732288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">28. Januar 2019</a></blockquote>
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Can't bring myself to watch those two backstabbers right now. Plus it would be a waste of time anyway. Did Andjustice4some ask them anyway questions though? Would have been great to ask them a very difficult question, basically about their many contradictions and see how they react.
 
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I take that standing ovation with a grain of salt. That is sundance. The clap for everything. I doubt everyone brought into their mess. And I want to commend CNN. They wont air or talk nothing about it not even on their web which is rare. They want stay away from FAKE NEWS.
 
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terrell said:
I take that standing ovation with a grain of salt. That is sundance. The clap for everything. I doubt everyone brought into their mess. And I want to commend CNN. They wont air or talk nothing about it not even on their web which is rare. They want stay away from FAKE NEWS.
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Don't speak too soon about CNN. They haven't said anything, for now. Just be on the look out. Like I thought, a lot of people have more sense about this. I'm proud that some are posting links to the actual facts. Matter of fact, post some songs from Michael himself.
 
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