Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

I see clothing stores selling MJs merch more now than I ever have in the past, and his albums are on the front of music racks and selling well, and his music is still played regularly pretty much anywhere I go.

Meanwhile, if it wasn't for me keeping up with the news from these boards I wouldn't even know anyone was still talking about the mockumentary, and those I know who have watched it or paid attention to it at all think it's BS.

Who were we supposed to mute again?
 
I see clothing stores selling MJs merch more now than I ever have in the past, and his albums are on the front of music racks and selling well, and his music is still played regularly pretty much anywhere I go.

Meanwhile, if it wasn't for me keeping up with the news from these boards I wouldn't even know anyone was still talking about the mockumentary, and those I know who have watched it or paid attention to it at all think it's BS.

Who were we supposed to mute again?

Exactly. That is why pay no attention to the some media (these fools in the media are not crazy. They know these guys are liars-that is why they did not cover thier story in 2013 to 2018) but now it is $$$ time. And I told you LA Times aint #$^. Still trying to downplay the school keeping the name. GET OVER IT LATIMES. The PUBLIC/PARENTS has SPOKEN even in other places (hardly no one read their trash no more). MOST people who discuss it think it should STAY. Media, you have no power. Like CHalamaine the God said, "U can put stuff on tv but social media will call you out if u are lying".
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">From <a href="https://twitter.com/BoyGeorge?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BoyGeorge</a> to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AndyCohen?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AndyCohen</a> re <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeavingNeverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#LeavingNeverland</a>: &quot;I think, one of the things that isn't in any of those documentaries is the word 'alleges.' It's just taken almost for granted that this is what happened and therefore we all should accept it.&quot; <a href="https://t.co/wsvv9UCpmu">pic.twitter.com/wsvv9UCpmu</a></p>&mdash; Leaving Neverland Facts (@NeverlandFacts) <a href="https://twitter.com/NeverlandFacts/status/1123652332011409408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">1. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wow look how many people are there! Interest in Michael Jackson and his creative genius remains. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MuteWho?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MuteWho</a>? <a href="https://t.co/UOauoZjO8V">https://t.co/UOauoZjO8V</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1124012307632336896?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Red roses for L.O.V.E. and white roses for innocence. Will your rose be there? <a href="https://t.co/rfVDbELOrA">https://t.co/rfVDbELOrA</a></p>&mdash; andjustice4some (@andjustice4some) <a href="https://twitter.com/andjustice4some/status/1123969941974261760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">But when it comes to Michael Jackson’s kids, who cares about their rights or feelings. Right?&#128545; <a href="https://t.co/KW93krTT3b">https://t.co/KW93krTT3b</a></p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1124016839628066816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ironically <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/leavingneverland?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#leavingneverland</a> has INCREASED number of <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjfam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjfam</a> truth triumphs and LOVE WINS! I BET MY ORGANS anyone who will do 10 mins of research with an open mind will believe <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mjinnocent?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mjinnocent</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/moonwalkers?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#moonwalkers</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJJusticePrjct</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/JuliaBerkowitz1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JuliaBerkowitz1</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewGreene864?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@AndrewGreene864</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJ_India?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJJ_India</a> <a href="https://t.co/BeeXZQBfFg">pic.twitter.com/BeeXZQBfFg</a></p>&mdash; Divina (@lightinwhisper) <a href="https://twitter.com/lightinwhisper/status/1124003724685393920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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Update by Taj:

May 1st Update:

First I want to thank all of you for your continued support and donations. Together we will cement my uncle Michael&#8217;s incredible legacy and the truth.
Please remember, this project is not in direct competition with any other pro Michael Jackson videos, documentaries or specials. Actually, the more the merrier.. And I welcome all of them.

From now on there will be weekly updates. This first one will obviously be much bigger than the next ones because there hasn&#8217;t been an update in awhile.

One of the most asked question is, have we started the project yet?

The short answer is Yes. However we are still in the &#8220;boring&#8221; part of production. And there is A LOT of pre-production.
Writing, Budgeting, Hiring, ROI (for possible investors), Researching. Paperwork&#8230;etc
The good news is we are almost at the end of this stage.

I didn&#8217;t want to actually start filming and then run out of money and not finish this. It&#8217;s too important. That is why we have been a little slower in the pre production phase.

More planning and smarter planning will save us lots of money and your donations will be better utilized.

Will this even be completed and will it be this year?

Definitely it will be completed, We have everything we need to shoot and edit this. (Equipment wise and personnel wise)
However licensing news clips, music, and personal/home videos will not be free or cheap.

Also we know that we can&#8217;t count on the media to promote any positive Michael stories. Thus, extra funds will go into online marketing and promotion.

So who&#8217;s involved?

I can&#8217;t share that list yet, but I can say that I am not doing this project alone. There are some really dedicated people on board. Helping me steer this ship. Also I can say that the amount of people who were very close to my uncle, who have volunteered to help and/or be interviewed is beyond even my expectations. This movie will do my uncle justice.

What is the tone? Is this a direct rebuttal to Leaving Neverland?

This is bigger than Leaving Neverland. This is about all the past lies and allegations that have unfairly plagued my uncle&#8217;s life while he was alive and infected his legacy even after his death. This movie is about answers, the facts, and the truth.

So where is the money going?

Have you heard of the saying: Fast,Good,Cheap - Pick any two

Well I am choosing Fast and Good.

I am still aiming to complete the movie this year if all goes according to plan. However I don&#8217;t want to sacrifice on the production quality and accuracy. Therefore things will cost more then if we took our time.

I want this to stand the test of time, like my uncle. I want this to be what people reference hundreds of years from now when they look up the legendary Michael Jackson.
 
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So after training Love island star @meganbartonhanson for the Full Monty Ladies Night show for Breast Cancer Awareness, I went to film a documentary to be shown on Amazon which points out the facts in @michaeljackson life that have been incorrectly portrayed recently.
As part of his and many other superstars security detail, I explain how it is near on impossible for anyone to get past staff and the security in place.
Fans could not get past us and would go to extreme levels to meet Michael. And Michael was never alone when travelling with his friends/family/nannies in tow and many other members of the entourage!

I hope I have cleared up the myths and explained how Michael was protected like the president with over 150 staff including 100 security guards at anyone time at Neverland alone. And how his “secret room” was in fact his “panic” room which all major stars have. And it was built before he bought Neverland! People used to parachute into Neverland in the hope to meet their idol and he had to run to his panic room! Corridor alarms when people approach your private space is normal for all superstars! Not just for #michaeljackson! And even cameras above his bedroom door for surveillance by bodyguards while on the road too as well as nighttime security bedroom door security.
He was checked on through the night too by phone calls!

I remember my last meeting with Michael and our mutual friend Mark Lester in March 2009.. we were having fish and chips on the floor after he watched the musical “Oliver” and we talked about the excitement of his sell out concert tour “This is it” and his plans for the future.

It’s nice to see in this documentary the people who he spent time with giving their unbiased view, correcting timelines and interviewing experts on his legal cases.
He was a very generous man, helping people and raising millions for charity, but unfortunately when you are one of the biggest stars in the world, you are also one of the biggest targets.

Let’s please consider that these people who have outrageous things to say about MJ have a movie to push or either owe his estate money or are suing his estate for hundreds of millions of dollars! #mjfam
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">But when it comes to Michael Jackson’s kids, who cares about their rights or feelings. Right?&#128545; <a href="https://t.co/KW93krTT3b">https://t.co/KW93krTT3b</a></p>— Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1124016839628066816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">2. Mai 2019</a></blockquote>
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The fact that they used that home movie footage of PPB in this really pisses me off. The whole movie is bad enough as is but for them to put that footage in there is really low. Seriously, **** them for putting that in there.
 
Look at t. MJ music is still played, a School VOTED and PARENTS to keep his name, sales are up, etc while Oprah is backlashed, Doc is fading, considered a flop compare to how it was advertised, lies coming out about these fools. Etc. That says it all. Perez can think what he wants because I have thoughts about him. His thoughts are no more important than ours.

I also believe that Perez Hilton is a pedophile and a NAMBLA member. He is a desperate, lowlife has been eager for attention. Perez is pathetic and yes, I believe he is being paid for his statements against Michael. Another thing is he and other lowlifes in the media are angry that their agenda and plans are not succeeding as they hoped and planned.
 
Leaving Neverland: Kiwi doco defends Michael Jackson
Emily Brookes
11:19, May 03 2019


A 23-year-old New Zealander living in Los Angeles has self-funded a documentary that aims to discredit the recently-aired Leaving Neverland.

Liam McEwan has been in LA since early 2017 working as a celebrity interviewer.

He's met the likes of Elton John, Ed Sheeran, Britney Spears, and Miley and Billy Ray Cyrus.

But over the years one star has shone brighter for McEwan than any other: Michael Jackson.

"Michael Jackson has played an important part in my life," says McEwan.

So he found the allegations detailed in Leaving Neverland, which aired on TVNZ earlier this year, pretty upsetting.


That film is about Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who filed sexual abuse lawsuits against Jackson in 2013 and 2014 respectively. Those suits were dismissed on the grounds that too much time had elapsed since the pop star's death and and there was no entity to take responsibility for his actions

"Leaving Neverland gave these guys an opportunity to talk but it didn't give the other side a story," he says. "That's what made me want to investigate it further."

McEwan is no stranger to the media world. While still at high school in Auckland he hosted a show on Devenport's community radio station The Flea FM, which led to a job as a producer at iHeartRadio, and then to a gig on TVNZ's now defunct The 4.30 Show.

His reporting skills garnered international attention, and he moved to the US with a job at Bauer Xcel, a women's interest publisher heavy on celebrity. For the last few months he's been going it alone, funding his meetings with the stars through brand partnerships and publishing them on social media, where he is known for his energetic interview style and trademark shoulder-length curly hair.

Fair to say he's a go-getter. But up until a couple of months ago, he had never considered himself a documentary maker.

"I had no idea how to do this," McEwan laughs. "Usually my content is so light hearted and so fun, I'm not used to having to take things incredibly seriously and that's something I had to do here."

But he had a good in, having previously interviewed both Jackson's father, Joseph, and his son, Prince.

"There was already a level of trust there" with the Jackson family, McEwan says.

His documentary, Neverland Firsthand, packs a lot into its 30-minute run time, unpicking some of the earlier film's claims, particularly those made by Wade Robson.

Its key witness is Jackson's niece, Brandi Jackson, who dated Robson for over seven years. McEwan also speaks with a private investigator who worked on Jackson's 2005 molestation trial (Jackson was acquitted), a technical director who helped to design and build the Neverland Ranch, and Jackson's nephew Taj.

They call into question the veracity of some of Robson and Safechuck's claims, including that they were regularly present in the recording studio with Jackson.

McEwan did not attempt to interview Robson or Safechuck.

"The accusers had four hours in Leaving Neverland in which to share their story," he says. "In the half hour that I had to do something, it was important to share the other side."

To date, Neverland Firsthand film has been viewed over 900,000 times on YouTube. It's been featured in People and Vanity Fair, and McEwan has appeared on Australian TV to discuss the film.

Unsurprisingly, it has attracted the attention of other media platforms and distributors – McEwan declines to say exactly who – but he hasn't yet been tempted to sell it to, or rework it with, anyone else.

"It's sensitive and it needs to be done with respect," he says.

McEwan has other big things cooking: He'll be going on staff again in a couple of months as a celebrity reporter for another US media platform.

But if the right subject came along, he'd definitely make another documentary.

"I really enjoyed myself," he says. "I feel like in terms of a journalist I've been able to one-up myself."


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Paris78;4256923 said:
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So after training Love island star @meganbartonhanson for the Full Monty Ladies Night show for Breast Cancer Awareness, I went to film a documentary to be shown on Amazon which points out the facts in @michaeljackson life that have been incorrectly portrayed recently.
As part of his and many other superstars security detail, I explain how it is near on impossible for anyone to get past staff and the security in place.
Fans could not get past us and would go to extreme levels to meet Michael. And Michael was never alone when travelling with his friends/family/nannies in tow and many other members of the entourage!

I hope I have cleared up the myths and explained how Michael was protected like the president with over 150 staff including 100 security guards at anyone time at Neverland alone. And how his “secret room” was in fact his “panic” room which all major stars have. And it was built before he bought Neverland! People used to parachute into Neverland in the hope to meet their idol and he had to run to his panic room! Corridor alarms when people approach your private space is normal for all superstars! Not just for #michaeljackson! And even cameras above his bedroom door for surveillance by bodyguards while on the road too as well as nighttime security bedroom door security.
He was checked on through the night too by phone calls!

I remember my last meeting with Michael and our mutual friend Mark Lester in March 2009.. we were having fish and chips on the floor after he watched the musical “Oliver” and we talked about the excitement of his sell out concert tour “This is it” and his plans for the future.

It’s nice to see in this documentary the people who he spent time with giving their unbiased view, correcting timelines and interviewing experts on his legal cases.
He was a very generous man, helping people and raising millions for charity, but unfortunately when you are one of the biggest stars in the world, you are also one of the biggest targets.

Let’s please consider that these people who have outrageous things to say about MJ have a movie to push or either owe his estate money or are suing his estate for hundreds of millions of dollars! #mjfam

&#128514;&#128514; wow hes really milking the 4-5 days he got to tag along with mjs really security in london in 2002. And never seen again after that &#128514;
 
Thanks respect.

HBO are embarrassing themselves once again. Stating in court doc that Liam McEwan's video is a publicity campaign by the Estate. Just shows the level of research they put in anything. SMH.


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UPDATE: HBO has filed their opposition to arbitration with the Estate of Michael Jackson. NOTE: The court docs were NOT available on the district court website as of 5 pm PST, but WERE posted with the media @Deadline. Read their argument here --->. https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2019/05/leaving-neverland-opp-to-compel-arbitration.pdf

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The LA school topic made fans forget Nottage declaration about MJ.
 
Thank you Joyner Lucas for using your mind, not jumping on the bullshit bandwagon like lots of these mindless drones today. He's the rapper known for "I'm not racist" and other songs. In this video he's basically praying to God for him to take R Kelly, but bring back Whitney, bring back Michael. Good on him!

https://youtu.be/_WrMzFlLk7Q
 
The LA school topic made fans forget Nottage declaration about MJ.

I don't think so. Most MJFans will not really forget anything what happened in this LN-situation because of all the emotions it caused in many of them.
MJ always makes people care about things (not only things about him, things and people in general, this is a part of his legacy)!

Michael Jackson made people THE FIRST TIME ever really question puplically the truth in a documentery and demonstrate against it wordwide!
This is veeeeery special for me!

I never ever really question before what people have told me in a documentery before and take seriously and to over 90 percent as the intensly investigated truth!
But after I know that nearly everthing in LN they tell is compleatly bogus, I ask myself in the last days in what other documentarys I saw in my life can also be bogus, but me and other people were not able to see it because we know too less about the subject and don't care obout if this what they are telling there really is the truth or mostly manipulation and propganda to control people and their mind!
 
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Thanks respect.

HBO are embarrassing themselves once again. Stating in court doc that Liam McEwan's video is a publicity campaign by the Estate. Just shows the level of research they put in anything. SMH.
Unbelievable. It's (at least) two big mistakes: claiming that an independent self-founded youtube doc is an official one (just because some members of the Jackson family gave interviews to a third party, it isn't), and confusing the Estate with the Jackson family.

I'm really wondering if they can be that clueless, or they are just trying to sway the public opinion by deliberately mixing things.
 
HBO are embarrassing themselves once again. Stating in court doc that Liam McEwan's video is a publicity campaign by the Estate. Just shows the level of research they put in anything. SMH.


But even if it was a campaign by the Estate. what would be wrong with that? These fools IGNORED the other side with their ONE SIDED DOC. So what HBO and all these liars can talk but the other side should not but sit there and take this trash? These people are crazy.
 
Unbelievable. It's (at least) two big mistakes: claiming that an independent self-founded youtube doc is an official one (just because some members of the Jackson family gave interviews to a third party, it isn't), and confusing the Estate with the Jackson family.

I'm really wondering if they can be that clueless, or they are just trying to sway the public opinion by deliberately mixing things.
No, their @#$ messed up big time and now trying to avoid the law suit. Wont work. Yet they got the nerve to question the Estate about a campaign. These people got a brass pair.
 
I have a question, so what if it was? How does this help HBO if that was an official rebuttal?

I’m asking because is this the reason the Estate can’t financially help Taj’s doc publicly ? What is HBO’s angle?
 
Thanks respect.

HBO are embarrassing themselves once again. Stating in court doc that Liam McEwan's video is a publicity campaign by the Estate. Just shows the level of research they put in anything. SMH.

HBO IS PATHETIC!!!!!

I wonder how many of the HBO bigwigs watched Liam McEwan's video, before they came to THAT conclusion. It's a pretty detailed video and I'm sure they were pissed when they watched it. In my opinion, this mockumentary has been nothing but a headache for HBO. I'm sure they expected the viewers to just go along with what was being displayed. No questions asked!!

They played themselves, because there has been nothing but questions on top of questions, aside from straight up lies, and inconsistencies being exposed.

I notice that their recent answer to the Estate has a sentence reading as follows: "Leaving Neverland tells the personal story of two individuals who ALLEGE that as young boys, yada, yada, yada." Funny that now that their asses are on the fire, they decide to use the word ALLEGE. Idiots!!!!
 
HBO doesn't know well the Estate.
The Estate release a doc about the allegations, that's a joke.
 
Have you noticed that they are using the word 'alleged' in their court rebuttal?! This and the fact that they have added the word 'alleged' to their description of the film tells me they r indeed worried the estate have ground to claim damages from them otherwise they would not use it at all as they themselves state the dead has no protection at all under law and they took full advantage of that.
 
Have you noticed that they are using the word 'alleged' in their court rebuttal?! This and the fact that they have added the word 'alleged' to their description of the film tells me they r indeed worried the estate have ground to claim damages from them otherwise they would not use it at all as they themselves state the dead has no protection at all under law and they took full advantage of that.
Exactly. Also, HBO has to remember this was HIGH PROFILE and promoted with what they said AROUND THE WORLD. If they go into court and want act like everyone is stupid to what they did, that will blow up in their face.
 
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If the contract of 1992 is really over between MJ and HBO (because Michael is dead) as HBO claims, HBO will beat the Estate.
 
Have you noticed that they are using the word 'alleged' in their court rebuttal?! This and the fact that they have added the word 'alleged' to their description of the film tells me they r indeed worried the estate have ground to claim damages from them otherwise they would not use it at all as they themselves state the dead has no protection at all under law and they took full advantage of that.

BOOM!!!!!!!

Now, all of a sudden, ALLEGED is HBO's favorite word.

Like I said previously: HBO didn't expect anybody to question their "mockumentary." Now they are just throwing stuff at the wall, hoping SOMETHING will stick.
 
If the contract of 1992 is really over between MJ and HBO (because Michael is dead) as HBO claims, HBO will beat the Estate.


The MJ Estate did well to find the contract in the first place, but they were grasping at straws really to do something. ANYTHING to counter the documentary in a legal sense.

I haven't read the whole HBO contract but I haven't seen anything to indicate that it extents beyond MJ's lifetime. Having said that, I don't think it specifies it expires at a particular time during his lifetime either.

As MJ is deceased the HBO contract is the only thing they have and it's lucky they had that.

So MJ Estate argue it applies in perpetuity and HBO argue that it expired.

that was bound to happen and now we have to wait to see what the decision is.

Does anybody know whether there are any precedents that can be used? Did MJ Estate reference any in their demand for arbitration?
 
Thank you Joyner Lucas for using your mind, not jumping on the bullshit bandwagon like lots of these mindless drones today. He's the rapper known for "I'm not racist" and other songs. In this video he's basically praying to God for him to take R Kelly, but bring back Whitney, bring back Michael. Good on him!

https://youtu.be/_WrMzFlLk7Q

I notice it was only published on 2nd May, so from that I assume he is in support of MJ after Leaving Neverland. That's great news!

He has 3million YouTube subscribers and the video already has over 1million views, so this positive message is particularly valuable. Also, it targets the younger demographic who have the opportunity to become the new generation of MJ supporters/fans - a valuable audience to influence.
 
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