Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Lynn Nottage needs to be fired if that's what she said indeed, but are we sure that report is genuine? Because it just doesn't make any sense, what's the point of alienating both your client and your potential public while presenting yourself as a money hungry immoral (unless she's indeed to be fired and that's her PR now).
 
Lynn Nottage needs to be fired if that's what she said indeed, but are we sure that report is genuine? Because it just doesn't make any sense, what's the point of alienating both your client and your potential public while presenting yourself as a money hungry immoral (unless she's indeed to be fired and that's her PR now).

Is this the name of the owner of MJFacts?

When someone who has twitter wants to investigate the owner of the MJfacts / MJandboys webside further....
He/ she posted the twitteradress on the webside. It is:
@Michael26184311

But don't make a mistake and reveal to him that you are MJfans or not on his side.

It would be interesting to know if dan reed is in his/her friendslist.

I don't have twitter.
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona;4255523 said:
These are really sick people who working on these MJandboys / MJFacts page.
A comment example under James article:

gorgia
"I think James and Wade had anal sex with MJ when they were teenagers. Because they loved him and wanted to make him happy. And now they can’t tell this truth. They feel shame and disgust. And because of it we see strange holes in their narratives."

Anwer:
"I agree Georgina. I suspect they each gave in to that at some point but they both seem to be heterosexual so they are not going to admit what they did. Besides, their story is not about the details of their sex lives. They shared enough for us to know they were the victims of a very sick man.

After reading the information on this site (I ignored all of the author’s editorial comments) I have decided the evidence is overwhelming that MJ did have sex with these kids. The evidence I find most compelling, is the number of former “special friends” that will not confirm or deny that they had sex with MJ. If they could honestly deny it they would have done so in 2005 when MJ needed them. I’m sure they all knew they would be rewarded financially if they came forward to support MJ….yet a number of them chose to stay silent.

Wade and James were loyal to MJ while he was alive. Now that he is gone, I don’t blame them for trying to get compensated by the estate. I don’t plan to allow my new found knowledge to interfere with my enjoyment of MJ’s music. The man was obviously sick. God knows what happened to him during his own childhood.

Obviously DOZENDS of people’s lives have been devastated by the things MJ did. I wish them all the best as they try to heal and move forward."


The first ome sounds like a peodo.
I think those people are sicko and trying to use MJ. Too desperate to want to label MJ and make others who deny being victims to be victims. That is a sick person with SELF issues.
 
I simply wanted portrait the sickness, madness and stupidity of these people.

I only have read it a little bit today after I found out that the original webside is closed and I got the imagination yesterday that there semes to be a connection between LN and Dan Reed previous work "the pedophile Hunter" who very obviously used MJFacts as resource.

It can be possible that people of the group, which was portrait in TPH also works for MJFacts.
Why not?
That is a sick website. They can think what they want it does not make it true. I went on there last year and never went back when it was clear to me they have an agenda. MJ been dead 10 years and for anyone to still be harping on him like that site show there is something else going on and people who are abusers and sick want to label MJ like one of them. It wont work. That site has an AGENDA.
 
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HEY GUYS....

MJFACTS IS DOWN!

You can still find it in google but it did no wok anymore when you klick on it!

I don't know who did this....If they did it themself or someone could close the webside.

BUT there is a new Web side now which looks veeeery simluar to MJfacts and has this adress:

[link removed]

I was wondering why this new webside name did always appeared as a source when I resarched pictures from Michael.
Now I know why.

I think the people behind MJFacts and MJandboys are the same people.

The YouTube channel from MJfacts still works.

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Its the same webside cause they have "MJ and his young friends" where they make every boy in MJs life to his victim like MJFacts also did this!

2 man down
 
Or maybe i should say, All the kings horses and all the kings men.....

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Is this the name of the owner of MJFacts?

When someone who has twitter wants to investigate the owner of the MJfacts / MJandboys webside further....
He/ she posted the twitteradress on the webside. It is:
@Michael26184311

But don't make a mistake and reveal to him that you are MJfans or not on his side.

It would be interesting to know if dan reed is in his/her friendslist.

I don't have twitter.

Don't take offense, but my friendly advice to you is to post less and read more.
 
No, no one who is willing to believe liars should work on a project. she is believing something that is FALSE. There is no cover up on how MJ was investigated and if anyone can not see that, then people like that will believe what they want. She should NOT work on it if she has that belief. If she does, will she talk about the LIES told in court? People who admitted to lies under oath? if she want to go there, then she better go both ways and reveal what MJ had to go through. And she needs to put scenes where tabloid told people to lie on MJ in order to pay them 6 figures. So again, IF anyone wants this lying accusations to be done in the play, then they better reveal the LIES by the accusers and others; if not, leave it the #%^ alone.

I agree!

These court cases have been going on since 2013/4. Didn't the Estate discuss them with her before awarding the contract to write the 'book' for the musical?

Didn't they include a non-disparagement clause in her contract? That would be ironical....

Who in their right mind wants to pay money to watch a musical about a child molester, or even a suspected child molester? Hardly a way to sell MJ's music to young / potential new fans.

PS When I saw this news on FB this morning, I added the Twitter quote to the 'MJ musical thread'...then I came here and saw there was already a discussion. I've added the main DM article to the musical thread too, and another quote from here.
 
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Can you stop posting links to this website?

I can!
But it was only TWO times where I posted links.
The first time I needed to get the information out that MJFacts has now a new name and the original webiside is closed.
The second time I was forced to proof the information about the twitter adress what I don't wanted myself when I posted it.

Everyone maybe knows now the new adress of the new MJfacts webside so that I don't think I needed to link anything anymore to this page.
 
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I'm just saying a lot of the things you are asking have been answered in this thread and I feel like the thread is moving too fast with no real new information.

But this thread had 12.012 posts now and 800 pages!
You expected that everyone had read ALL this 12.012 posts compleatly and can remember everthing what was posted there?

I normally don't ask questions from which I know the answer and try to make sure that don't post things twice.....

But I absolutly understand that the thread becamed confuseing.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/MJonlineteam?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@MJonlineteam</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/Lynnbrooklyn?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Lynnbrooklyn</a> does NOT deserve to move forward with this project. She has no heart for it, if she has no heart to research the TRUTH!</p>&mdash; Dr. Andrew Greene (@AndrewGreene864) <a href="https://twitter.com/AndrewGreene864/status/1119025550595698688?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mute who? LONDON TODAY!<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MJFam?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MJFam</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/traveling?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#trave ling</a> <a href="https://t.co/HWdlNDK1eQ">pic.twitter.com/HWdlNDK1eQ</a></p>&mdash; J. B. Buch (@buch_jb) <a href="https://twitter.com/buch_jb/status/1119255770711851010?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The tabloid Daily Mail vs Lynn Nottage -- What to believe? MJ Estate's response - <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MichaelJackson?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw"># MichaelJackson</a> was ravaged by Daily Mail ...Paris Jackson too.... Be careful - &quot;Just because you see it in a magazine&quot; ...and all that jazz.. <a href="https://t.co/i2mCvEwIyy">pic.twitter.com/i2mCvEwIyy</a></p>&mdash; MJJJusticeProject (@MJJJusticePrjct) <a href="https://twitter.com/MJJJusticePrjct/status/1119259334242783232?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">19. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Standing up for THE TRUTH against all odds = INTEGRITY.<br><br>I am proud to be one of the MANY voices fighting for someone no longer here to defend himself.<br><br>Agendas and financial motivation are at the heart of these CALCULATED ATTACKS against my uncle.<br><br>Facts don&#8217;t lie, people do.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1118980239042859009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="de"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Standing up for THE TRUTH against all odds = INTEGRITY.<br><br>I am proud to be one of the MANY voices fighting for someone no longer here to defend himself.<br><br>Agendas and financial motivation are at the heart of these CALCULATED ATTACKS against my uncle.<br><br>Facts don&#8217;t lie, people do.</p>&mdash; Taj Jackson (@tajjackson3) <a href="https://twitter.com/tajjackson3/status/1118980239042859009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">18. April 2019</a></blockquote>
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The Estate never disappoint me. The responds of Alicia concerning Lynn Nottage is the same as HBO responds about Dan Reed.
 
There was a quote in the article. Something about Michael was "a genius... but deeply flawed". Deeply flawed huh? What do you mean by that? He was no more flawed than any of us. He was a ****ing human being. Granted, it's from a tabloid so they could have just made up the quote, but there WAS a quote.

And if they want to be disappointed with the fans... well guess what? Seems like the fans are the only ones out here fighting for Michael's name right now. Y'all wouldn't know shit about the train station if it were not for Michael's fans so maybe chill out with all this "disappointed" talk.
 
The quotes from the article are "immensely flawed human being", and "I think they were telling the truth". Were the quotes made up? Yes or no? The Estate make it really hard to support them. They never seem to have Michael's best interest at heart.
 
She needs to come out and clear this up. Does she believe the accusers or not? Simple as that. And if she does, they need to let her go, period.
 
BTW.. STILL waiting on the Estate's response to Leaving Neverland that is seperate from the lawsuit that most likely wont do jack shit anyway and is more about a clause in a contract than hitting back at actual claims.

They are so tone deaf. They are really going to come at MJ fans saying they are "dissapointed" as they sit on their hands and let us fight for Michael by ourselves (with a few nephews). They are ****ing clueless.
 
They are defending her and trying to make fans feel stupid for questioning her. Not as if fans have done most of the work for the this whole time or anything.
 
There was a quote in the article. Something about Michael was "a genius... but deeply flawed". Deeply flawed huh? What do you mean by that? He was no more flawed than any of us. He was a ****ing human being. Granted, it's from a tabloid so they could have just made up the quote, but there WAS a quote.

And if they want to be disappointed with the fans... well guess what? Seems like the fans are the only ones out here fighting for Michael's name right now. Y'all wouldn't know shit about the train station if it were not for Michael's fans so maybe chill out with all this "disappointed" talk.

It reminds me of the introduction to the London NPG art exhibition book written by (I think) Zadie Smith? I seem to recall that wasn't especially favourable towards MJ either.

I guess the Estate will need to live in a permanent state of 'disappointment' about the fans, as long as Michael's 'flaws' are up for official promotion. Discussion of Michael's entirely fictitious 'flaws' takes up too much fan time and emotion already, without having to bear the brunt of character dissection from 'official' and linked sources.

Plus: If they 'know' that the Mail always twists things, why is Nottage even speaking to their reporter Bamigboye at such a fan-sensitive time? It makes no sense.
 
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Please do not post links to those disgusting websites. It's just giving them the clicks and attention they want. Ignore them.
 
Has the entire tabloid article been posted? I would like to read it.

Thanks to Respect


The writer of a musical backed by Michael Jackson's estate has pledged that the show will not ignore the explosive allegations about the singer's predatory behaviour towards underage boys.

Playwright Lynn Nottage, winner of two Pulitzer Prizes for Drama, told me Jackson was a genius, 'but an immensely flawed human being'.

She also revealed that she believed the testimony given by Wade Robson and James Safechuck, who were close to the singer in their pre-teen years, in the C4 and HBO documentary Leaving Neverland. The two men recounted how Jackson had seduced and sexually violated them when they were children (one just seven years old).

Nottage, breaking her silence about Jackson for the first time, told me: 'I think they were telling the truth.'

Jackson's estate and Columbia Live Stage hired Nottage, one of America's most honoured contemporary dramatists, and Christopher Wheeldon, a director and choreographer who's also artistic associate of the Royal Ballet, to write and direct the musical Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough, marrying a story to a catalogue of Jackson's hits.

Nottage won the Pulitzer in 2009, for Ruined, and two years ago for Sweat. (The latter, critically acclaimed when it ran at the Donmar, will transfer to the Gielgud on June 7 for a limited run of 50 performances.)

Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough was due to open in Chicago this year before heading to Broadway. But its postponement was announced just before Leaving Neverland had its premiere at the Sundance Film Festival.

According to recent statements, the musical will now go straight to Broadway in 2020.

Nottage told me that she has to figure out if there is a 'way to tell a story about someone who was a genius, but an immensely flawed human being'.

When I asked if Jackson's estate would allow her to explore the dark side of the superstar's life, Nottage responded: 'I hope so.' She added: 'I think it would be a dishonour to the complexity of who he is and the situation [he was in] to gloss over everything. But how we do it, I don't know.'

We discussed whether you should continue watching or playing an artist's work once something unsavoury has been uncovered.

'My life tracks with Michael Jackson, musically. The very first album I owned was ABC and I thought: 'Can I never listen to that album again?'

'Off The Wall is an album that I absolutely adore. Can I no longer listen to that? It means erasing my cultural DNA.'

Nottage observed that if you stop listening to Michael Jackson because of his predatory behaviour towards children, 'then you stop listening to Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis'.

Was Jackson trying to tell us about his troubles through his music? 'I actually read the lyrics of his songs in ways that people, when they're dancing, aren't listening to. And you realise that he was working out his angst and pain through his music. You hear his struggle.'

You see the struggle, too. 'Michael Jackson was an incredibly self-destructive human being. He destroyed himself, not just on the inside, but on the outside,' Nottage said, referring to the star's constant tampering with his pigmentation and the many times he went under the scalpel to alter his facial features, particularly his nose.

'He wanted to disappear, and he was telling us that.'

She added: 'We had this wilfulness not to know how much pain he was in. We turned away, but we knew, on some fundamental level, that something was going on and we refused to see that.

'You can still have empathy for someone, for people who do bad things. But you have to understand why.'
 
Pulitzer price doesn't save someone from saying stupid things.
She's definitly in the wrong place there. Good bye.
 
Pulitzer price doesn't save someone from saying stupid things.
She's definitly in the wrong place there. Good bye.

Quite. Reed is a BAFTA winner. Prizes mean nothing where MJ opinions / research are concerned.

Hard to avoid her meaning in this sentence:

Nottage observed that if you stop listening to Michael Jackson because of his predatory behaviour towards children, 'then you stop listening to Elvis Presley and Jerry Lee Lewis'.
 
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That woman is full of it. MJ music talks about mistreatment (tabloid junkie; Leave me alone;Scream; Dom Sneddon etc). His music talks about his joy; changing the world, etc. Was MJ flawed? yes. WE ALL ARE FLAWED but that does not make him an abuser when you look at the facts. I am sick of this kind of person want to judge the accused YET she is NOT looking at the accusers and all of their lies and motives.
 
Pulitzer price doesn't save someone from saying stupid things.
She's definitly in the wrong place there. Good bye.

For that matter, Michael is an AWARD WINNER. So why are they bothering him if we go by awards
 
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