Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

somewhereinthedark;4253962 said:
Dan Greed is a very disturbed man. He can dish it out, but can’t handle it, when it is thrown back into his racist face. Typical behavior from a coward

Yeah, at this point I don't think we have to worry too much about him going for a sequel to this laughable filth. He's not gonna get Chandler for it and Arvizo I really, really doubt too.
 
somewhereinthedark;4253963 said:
This monster is desperate and flailing all over the place. He is @#$&*# and he knows it. Hopefully this monster self-destructs in front of our very own eyes. He KNOWS he is defending two liars, becaus he is complicit and helped orchestrate these lies.
Keep the pressure on this creature. He deserves everything that is coming to him. We can’t trust him at all. He is a devil and needs to be exposed to the fullest extent.

I guess he will make his stupid followers belive that this is now Tajs or the Estate Rebuttle Documentery and there will be come nothing more then this to conquer his child pornographic fiction movie.
I don't know why the article labels this youtube video as an official Rebuttle from the Jackson Family.
I absolutly didn't understand it as this and in the description box didn't say something like this.

This is again are FAKE NEWS and Dan Greed again spread FAKE NEWS!
 
I guess he will make his stupid followers belive that this is now Tajs or the Estate Rebuttle Documentery and there will be come nothing more then this to conquer his child pornographic fiction movie.
I don't know why the article labels this youtube video as an official Rebuttle from the Jackson Family.
I absolutly didn't understand it as this and in the description box didn't say something like this.

This is again are FAKE NEWS and Dan Greed again spread FAKE NEWS!

It's the one we had last week, right? With the guy interviewing Brandi, but also Sundberg on the phone, where they also cover the note by Wade that he had to present to the judge?
 
Can sombody confirm that Wade said in his testemony in 2005 that he only stayed at Neverland alone without Joy was in 1992 and 1993 when stayed at the ranch with the other children Mc, Brett and Jordan?

Joy said that Wade was never left alone at Neverland until 1993.. meaning each time he was there, so was she.. and in 2016, she stated that they've only been to the ranch 4 times (up til 2016) when MJ was there..


Damn it man, I really want to share my document!
 
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Can the Estate use the content of LN in the Trial (eg: the train station story)?
 
Joy said that Wade was never left alone at Neverland until 1993.. meaning each time he was there, so was she.. and in 2016, she stated that they've only been to the ranch 4 times (up til 2016) when MJ was there..


Damn it man, I really want to share my document!

I still think we should look into this more. Going alone to the ranch is techincally different to being left alone at the ranch.
 
There would be no sure fire way to know if Wade was ever there without anyone else.. You can't prove a double negitive! The only way I could see this being confirmed is if there is a security log of who enteres and leaves Neverland with time stamp..

We have to understand that it's very hard to prove something didn't happen.. (I've never gone to Brazil) can I or anyone prove that? Now (I have gone to Italy) that can be proven..

We spend a lot of time trying to prove something didn't happen, while we got lucky with various documents (Train station for example) but outside of those documents, we would get much further proving things did happen..

We can't prove James did not spend Thanksgiving with Michael in 1989 without proving that he DID tour and was in Australia.. It's finding the proof that something happened that disproves the claim...


We could only prove he has never been left alone is finding a quote that states exactly that, or proving every day between 1990-1993 that he was not there alone.. That's pretty impossible.. So if there is not a direct quote, I would not chase this one.


That said, if anyone has found a quote stating that he's never been there without other visitors, please share.. I've never seen it!
 
Maybe with all he had done and posting this.......he would most probably say someone hack his acc or something like that.....and most hater would believe him??
 
Can the Estate use the content of LN in the Trial (eg: the train station story)?

No they cannot not that they need it anyway. No chance in hell the appeals of Wade or Safe**** will be successful.
 
Joy said that Wade was never left alone at Neverland until 1993.. meaning each time he was there, so was she.. and in 2016, she stated that they've only been to the ranch 4 times (up til 2016) when MJ was there..


Damn it man, I really want to share my document!

Hm Perl Junior made it look like in her latest video that Wade said it himself in 2005 or 1994 that he never stayed alone in neverland exept from the years I mention when he stayed there with other children.
What make sense cause children can't come or leave Neverland Ranch without the help from adults and MJ seamed not to send out his limosines to help them to come to Neverland cause this definitly they would mention in their story.
So the way to the Ranch must have gone trough their parents or the parents from other children like it was said in the testemony.
 
Hm Perl Junior made it look like in her latest video that Wade said it himself in 2005 or 1994 that he never stayed alone in neverland exept from the years I mention when he stayed there with other children.
What make sense cause children can't come or leave Neverland Ranch without the help from adults and MJ seamed not to send out his limosines to help them to come to Neverland cause this definitly they would mention in their story.
So the way to the Ranch must have gone trough their parents or the parents from other children like it was said in the testemony.

Wade did testify to that in 2005.
 
somewhereinthedark;4253963 said:
This monster is desperate and flailing all over the place. He is @#$&*# and he knows it. Hopefully this monster self-destructs in front of our very own eyes. He KNOWS he is defending two liars, becaus he is complicit and helped orchestrate these lies.
Keep the pressure on this creature. He deserves everything that is coming to him. We can’t trust him at all. He is a devil and needs to be exposed to the fullest extent.

Now ONE of his many lies have made it to TMZ. I want to see who will start picking it up. And I want them to report all the other lies as well. Wade's lies will keep us here all day.
 
Hello MJ fans. I'm a life long fan who has disconnected for many years from the forum. I have forgotten my first username so I decided to create a new one. I'm "new" again on here so hopefully this will go though. You have all been doing a great job finding everything and posting in here. it's helped me tremendously in catching up on what has been going on. I came across this clip. It probably was posted already in here but in case it didn't here it is. https://twitter.com/nukleopatros/status/1114433862195662849?s=21
 
Dan Reed and his team of crooks have made one crucial mistake in the past 48 hours. Karma will get at them.
 
^ Yeah, that one, which uncovered himself (or his team) maintaining the other account that runs the Robson & Safechuck supporters Facebook page (re-directed from mjvictims.com) and is being promoted on mj_fa-cts.c_om, too.

That opens legal doors that I have explained earlier.
 
^ Yeah, that one, which uncovered himself (or his team) maintaining the other account that runs the Robson & Safechuck supporters Facebook page (re-directed from mjvictims.com) and is being promoted on mj_fa-cts.c_om, too.

That opens legal doors that I have explained earlier.

Bring it on! All the bad news you can possible imagine for these three...I'm more than contend with that.
 
^ Yeah, that one, which uncovered himself (or his team) maintaining the other account that runs the Robson & Safechuck supporters Facebook page (re-directed from mjvictims.com) and is being promoted on mj_fa-cts.c_om, too.

That opens legal doors that I have explained earlier.
I see. I can spot these liars out on the internet. they come up with this stuff and when u challenge them, they have either nothing or make up lies. I tell these folks, Michael Jackson has fans in all kinds of professions. He has doctors, lawyers, District Attorneys, nurses, blue collar workers, white collars workers, police, detectives, etc and people who do homework because they wanted to know the truth and now they know this is all lies since 1993.
 
The guys behind LN (Kew Media) really are fooling themselves. I found a recent article where different 'content providers' for video on demand (Avod - advertising-paid and Svod- Subscription paid services) discussed what kind of content they would be looking to produce in the future, to keep their income coming in. Here's a snapshot of part of the conversation:

https://tbivision.com/2019/04/04/wild-money-the-new-rules-of-play-in-distribution/

LH (Drive): There is a joy in being in non-scripted and working in traditional docs. Take Leaving Neverland or the Princess Diana doc we did on the anniversary of her death: because they are true stories most of us can relate to, they immediately feed a journalistic desire. It’s much easier to break through because it’s really happening, and journalists want to write about it.

GP (Kew): Non-scripted programming is now about making that event. Since you can’t read any truth in newspapers, people are looking for this kind of signature doc because they want to discover the real story. .................................................

..................Speaking of wild money, how did Kew get involved in Leaving Neverland?

GP (Kew): We were very fortunate. Channel 4 had commissioned it and Dan Reed and Amos Pictures sold it to HBO and it was free and clear, and they could make the deal they wanted for it. They were more concerned about getting good distribution. With our profile in feature-length docs and having Alex Gibney and Nick Broomfield on board, they felt we were one of the doors to knock on.

The above is interesting, because I thought that HBO co-produced rather than 'bought' LN. (Hence the lawsuit)
 
Thanks smoothgangsta


Mike Smallcombe
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Tonight at 22:45 BST I’ll be live on Australian breakfast programme @sunriseon7 to discuss the evidence which discredits the Leaving Neverland allegations against Michael Jackson, and the rather odd and deflective reaction of the director.

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Mac Culkin about Mike!

https://youtu.be/karXDWaQGWM


Good stuff!

Hm this is "old" from January shortly after the LN anouncement on sundance.
But good stuff.

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I always had a sure feeling about a conection between LN, Wade, MJFacts and this Wade Robson supporters Group ( MJvictims).
But I know that the creator behind MJvictims (who produced by the way a very evil documentery about MJFans) that he didn't know anything about LN before the Sundance anouncement cause he had said this on in a video on the channel in a way that sounded very beliveable for me directly after the anouncement.
For him Wade and James are absolute heros since they came forward and accused MJ.
He was also active at the trail against MJ in support of the Avisos.
So he belived that MJ is guilty since for decades.

Chantal Robson shared a video from MJvictims on her twitter account in 2014.
This was her only puplic support besides a anouncement of an interview with Wade she showed til the end of 2017 for her brother as as a sexual abused victim.
 
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You know what, I don't think people ever genuinely believed Safechuck was more credible. Robson's contradictions became public early plus his emotionless delivery wasn't convincing either, but by then people were led to believe that LN is credible because of the heavy promotion, so they just assumed the relatively unknown Safechuck MUST BE the authentic one then.

And about Oprah:
https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1114921868392378374
I'm still repulsed that Oprah would exploit 100 actual abuse survivors and make them watch four hours of pure child erotica stories told in sensationally graphic fashion... Just to hype up the "sincerity" of this project and try to garner ratings and sympathy.

What a sick woman.
I'm still shocked no one called her out on this unbelievably tacky move, as it's disgustingly tasteless even if you believe the accusations. If those LN promoters claiming they "support the victims" ever REALLY cared they would have attacked Oprah for this exploitation of real CSA victims and playing with their emotions for ratings.
 
You know what, I don't think people ever genuinely believed Safechuck was more credible. Robson's contradictions became public early plus his emotionless delivery wasn't convincing either, but by then people were led to believe that LN is credible because of the heavy promotion, so they just assumed the relatively unknown Safechuck MUST BE the authentic one then.

And about Oprah:
https://twitter.com/MJJRepository/status/1114921868392378374

I'm still shocked no one called her out on this unbelievably tacky move, as it's disgustingly tasteless even if you believe the accusations. If those LN promoters claiming they "support the victims" ever REALLY cared they would have attacked Oprah for this exploitation of real CSA victims and playing with their emotions for ratings.
Oh she was called out. Black twitter and radio dogged her out bad until she had issue that statement on "This transcend Michael". No one was trying to hear it but her lap dogs like ellen, Rosie odonnell-who needs to shup up because she had abuse claims against her by her own daughter, etc and I pointed that out to her. Shut her down quick.
 
Glad to hear that.

But I think whole articles should have been written about how despicable of her was to use CSA victims basically as scenery.
 
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