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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Cinnamon234;4253455 said:
It wasn't my intention to make anyone hysterical when I posted that tweet from Jacobshagen in this thread. However, it is important that we're aware of these kind of things. We have to be. I like to know what we're up against.

That said, I agree that this guy isn't credible. It doesn't seem that even most of the mainstream media takes this clown seriously (and hopefully it'll stay that way). He comes across as desperate and fake.

Something is really wrong with this guy. He has major issues.
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Staffordshire Bullterrier;4253482 said:
Well he sure shouldn't be underestimated when it comes to being a con man. After all he did manage to get in the room where Katherine was, a photo taken, he apparently is real good in falsifying MJ's autograph and selling it to fans. I hope those fans come forward, because it could get him arrested and maybe charged and convicted too. I really hope so. I'm so damn tired of that guy.

Good lord we have some seriously rotten people in this world who really don't deserve their freedom at all. But LN pretty much flopped, it's still being reported on about the lies (sadly very few USA sources, ridiculous really) and if he actually comes with a "doc" it will flop just as hard. **** him.
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In his latest interview w/ Billboard, Taj explains how much of a mistake for the Jackson family it was not to fight lies of the media and tabloids enough; all those lies and rumours became "facts" for a lot of people.

He also explains how he did intend to confront ROBson in 2013 but refrained from doing so after his family told him most people did not believe ROBson anyway, and here we are. Underestimating Jacobshagen would be a huge mistake. As crazy and foolish as he seems, he—is—not—kidding! There are holes and inconsistencies in his story too, but he knows a lot of people will blindly believe him like they did ROBson & SafeCHECK, he knows there is a market for this type of horrific slanderous stories, he knows about #MeToo, and he wants his own 15 minutes and the money that comes w/ it.

His film could be even more devastating than Leaving Neverland because of those 20 so-called witnesses and those videos that will supposedly show MJ "in action". MJ impersonators have been offered money to stage child molestation, and Jacobshagen is sick enough to orchestrate all that.

ROBson & SafeCHECK were underestimated, we thought they'd vanish, and look where we are now w/ even Oprah, Barbra Streisand, Ellen & Paul McCartney giving those crooks so much credence. WE HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
 
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I don't know if its the fact the document I created is now finished but I can't stop making things: When I came into the forum this morning, reading what people were talking about this just kept coming to me:

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https://twitter.com/Pezjax/status/1114172435979558913
(Sorry, but for some reason I can't embed twitter messages. :blush:)

The tweet includes screenshots that Reed left comments recommending the AirBNB they rented where they shot the interviews. It's kind of strange to praise the pool while filming a documentary on CSA. Also by doing so he revealed the huge gap between filmings too (he left comments both times).

So why did it take James 17 MONTHS to 'find' the jewelry MJ 'gave' him? - I guess they must have been disappointed when they went back to re-shoot only to find the furniture changed, but as long as you have the same clothes & use of the pool right?! - the viewers were duped AGAIN
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It's all about the deception in this -The fact they went back and hired the same AirBNB to reshoot 17 months later in the same clothes demonstrates that this film is 'structured' and 'manipulated' when it's presented to/by the media as 'raw' and 'honest'.
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More continuity issues are revealed in the comment section, like Robson's mother's different hair, while wearing the same clothes and sitting on the same couch, so certainly trying to give the impression it was recorded at once at the same time.

About the follow-up recording of the ring scene: couldn't it be that they found out/remembered only later the existence of the shopping video, created a story around it, with the intent of "leaking" the video later as some "indipendent new discovery corroborating" their story?
 
Guys, when will be a first court meeting between HBO and Estate? Is it going to be soon as I heared something about April?
 
It was said safechuck was at the ranch in the late 90's doing something for a college project. Mj was not there.safechuck said he never saw mj at the ranch again after 92. So he could have taken the pictures then.
 
As far as those pictures go, in my opinion, if Safechuck is NOT in the pictures with the train, then what's the point?

Two pictures of the train means absolutely nothing!!!!

Shoot, I would have been sitting on that dang train OR at last I would have been standing along side the train. I definitely wouldn't have wasted my time just taking pictures of the train, if I were so close to that train.
 
Thanks respect.

So robsons lawyer thinks donald trump jr is a victim amongst all the others they name.

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Justice for The Falsely Accused
@JuliaBerkowitz1
LOL at the desperation of Wade Robson's lawyer suggesting MJ molested Donald Trump's son, among others. From John Branca's deposition.

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Big Apple NYC said:
As far as those pictures go, in my opinion, if Safechuck is NOT in the pictures with the train, then what's the point?

Two pictures of the train means absolutely nothing!!!!
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Exactly, they could've been taken by anybody, so their claims mean nothing without actual proof.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Thanks respect.

So robsons lawyer thinks donald trump jr is a victim amongst all the others they name.

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Justice for The Falsely Accused
@JuliaBerkowitz1
LOL at the desperation of Wade Robson's lawyer suggesting MJ molested Donald Trump's son, among others. From John Branca's deposition.

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6:28 PM - Apr 5, 2019
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LORD JESUS, they better leave Donald Trump out of this nonsense. First of all Trump has always supported MJ and he is quick with his Twitter finger. They better leave that fool alone. LOL.

This information comes from John Branca's Deposition, is that correct?
 
elusive moonwalker said:
It was said safechuck was at the ranch in the late 90's doing something for a college project. Mj was not there.safechuck said he never saw mj at the ranch again after 92. So he could have taken the pictures then.
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I'm maybe dumb, but I really don't understand Reed's reasoning with the pictures. What do they prove even if they exist and were indeed taken by Safechuck apart from that he was there after 94 and could use a camera? Or am I missing something here?
 
ozemouze said:
I'm maybe dumb, but I really don't understand Reed's reasoning with the pictures. What do they prove even if they exist and were indeed taken by Safechuck apart from that he was there after 94 and could use a camera? Or am I missing something here?
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He is grasping for the straws. Saying it proves he was there also after the train station was build and had sex in there too.

The pics may not mean anything unless it is proven Reed lies and Safechuck didn't take them. Then it will be another nail in his coffin.
 
Can someone verify if the pictures from the train station in LN are the same posted by onmjfootsteps ?
 
Big Apple NYC said:
LORD JESUS, they better leave Donald Trump out of this nonsense. First of all Trump has always supported MJ and he is quick with his Twitter finger. They better leave that fool alone. LOL.

This information comes from John Branca's Deposition, is that correct?
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Yeah. Sorry im no good at embeding? In the actual tweet it shows the transcript of brancas depo. Finaldi goves a long list of supposed victims including siggy jackson! and trump. Maybe someone should tweet trump?
 
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ozemouze said:
I'm maybe dumb, but I really don't understand Reed's reasoning with the pictures. What do they prove even if they exist and were indeed taken by Safechuck apart from that he was there after 94 and could use a camera? Or am I missing something here?
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Once again reed didnt read safechucks court depo. He himself said he never saw mj again at the ranch after 92.only budapest and new jersey. Or i guess reed is calling safechuck a liar again!
 
A post from respect re the train station


I don't know if he went back after 1997. There are some photos of him in the film doing some film (him with a camera etc) apparently at Neverland and he looks about 16/17. In his complaint there is mention of MJ lending him some support for film projects he did in high school.
 
elusive moonwalker said:
Finaldi goves a long list of supposed victims including siggy jackson!
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Now why in the world would they bring up SIGGY JACKSON, of all people. LOL. We all know that "Homie Don't Play Dat!!!"

Siggy about to go off, when (if) he hears that they mentioned him as being a "victim." Let the countdown begin.....
 
elusive moonwalker said:
A post from respect re the train station


I don't know if he went back after 1997. There are some photos of him in the film doing some film (him with a camera etc) apparently at Neverland and he looks about 16/17. In his complaint there is mention of MJ lending him some support for film projects he did in high school.
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Amazing, seems MJ went out of his way to help them and look how they repay him.
 
Arckangel;4253689 said:
In his latest interview w/ Billboard, Taj explains how much of a mistake for the Jackson family it was not to fight lies of the media and tabloids enough; all those lies and rumours became "facts" for a lot of people.

He also explains how he did intend to confront ROBson in 2013 but refrained from doing so after his family told him most people did not believe ROBson anyway, and here we are. Underestimating Jacobshagen would be a huge mistake. As crazy and foolish as he seems, he—is—not—kidding! There are holes and inconsistencies in his story too, but he knows a lot of people will blindly believe him like they did ROBson & SafeCHECK, he knows there is a market for this type of horrific slanderous stories, he knows about #MeToo, and he wants his own 15 minutes and the money that comes w/ it.

His film could be even more devastating than Leaving Neverland because of those 20 so-called witnesses and those videos that will supposedly show MJ "in action". MJ impersonators have been offered money to stage child molestation, and Jacobshagen is sick enough to orchestrate all that.

ROBson & SafeCHECK were underestimated, we thought they'd vanish, and look where we are now w/ even Oprah, Barbra Streisand, Ellen & Paul McCartney giving those crooks so much credence. WE HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!
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I hate to have to worry about this piece of shit, but I can't deny all this isn't sitting right with me. Even Chantal Obrist, the woman investigating him says in that video that nobody should underestimate him. He's a as she calls it masterful conman and even threatened people. She calls him dangerous. I didn't read the tweets by him but if he has received help with this, depending on who that is, it could be another LN situation. Personally I don't believe it can get worse than that, not by this guy.

And we all know that any kind of tapes he has is fabricated. I know some people are stupid as hell but even they hopefully won't fall for that. If that had ever existed he sure as hell would have given that to police. The guy is full of shit, but that's nothing new. Jesus I'm so sick of him. When does it truly stop?
 
ozemouze;4253710 said:
I'm maybe dumb, but I really don't understand Reed's reasoning with the pictures. What do they prove even if they exist and were indeed taken by Safechuck apart from that he was there after 94 and could use a camera? Or am I missing something here?
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He’s trying to justify the changing of the timeline in the train station story by saying James went after 94.
The problem is that
1) Michael’s alibi and timeline does not work with James’s accusation of being abused everyday at the train station.
2) he’s now saying Michael abused James at 16/17 and now they all need to be called out for their narratives of Michael abusing only young boys and dumping them when they hit puberty.
 
ksat9;4253722 said:
He’s trying to justify the changing of the timeline in the train station story by saying James went after 94.
The problem is that
1) Michael’s alibi and timeline does not work with James’s accusation of being abused everyday at the train station.
2) he’s now saying Michael abused James at 16/17 and now they all need to be called out for their narratives of Michael abusing only young boys and dumping them when they hit puberty.
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Ontop of safechuck saying he never saw mj at the ranch again after 92
 
elusive moonwalker;4253723 said:
Ontop of safechuck saying he never saw mj at the ranch again after 92
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Thank you.
While the media are reporting the discovery, I still think they’re soft-balling this.
This literally exposed his train station story as a lie which then makes you question if his other stories are true.
 
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