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Controversial MJ Documentary Leaving Neverland [GENERAL DISCUSSION THREAD]

Mikky Dee said:
I've been wondering if he is associated with NAMBLA in some way....or at the very least he has directed the narrative along NAMBLA lines and I have no idea why. This talk of James and Wade being "in love" with Michael; of it being a "real relationship", as though they were dating; referring to the abuse as "having sex", almost as though it's being normalised; talking about it being a "pleasurable" experience. All of that is very, very SICK, in my opinion and makes me wonder about Reed's own background and past.
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I've wondered this too. I have a degree in criminal psychology and have dealt with paedophile, serial killers, serial child killers etc there is defo something not right about him. I had the same feeling about Jimmy Savile before all that broke out. It's only a matter of time i think. I think if people start searching the dark-web about Dan Reed they mind find some answers.
 
KOPV said:
DON'T contact dan Reed for any f**** reason... I am not the type to be this blunt but STOP that is f*** DUMB sorry!

He KNOWS they are lying, whoever is doing this is just giving him more of an idea what to excuse/coverup/and hide from..

Think of him as the new 'Tom Sneddon' in ways!


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I agree. I don't understand why MJ fans keep contacting or tagging him on "Twitter" especially. It's not helping anything. We don't need to keep him in the loop about anything regarding discrepancies or inconsistencies in regards to his mockumentary.

That's just giving him more ammo and reasons to make adjustments to LN.

Please stop tagging and contacting him.

Fans aren't going to change his mind anyway. Dan thinks MJ is guilty as hell and nothing any of us say can change that.
 
is there a document available with the deposition of Joy Robson in 1993 where she says Wade went to Big Canyon with them?
 
Mikky Dee;4252675 said:
I've been wondering if he is associated with NAMBLA in some way....or at the very least he has directed the narrative along NAMBLA lines and I have no idea why. This talk of James and Wade being "in love" with Michael; of it being a "real relationship", as though they were dating; referring to the abuse as "having sex", almost as though it's being normalised; talking about it being a "pleasurable" experience. All of that is very, very SICK, in my opinion and makes me wonder about Reed's own background and past.
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I have been wondering and have stated the same thing about Reed. IMO, he is advocating and promoting NAMBLA doctrine with this fraudomentary AND his glee in talking about man/boy sex. It’s just not normal to speak of so-called “victims” in this sick, pornographic way. It is revolting and makes me want to vomit.
 
Cinnamon234;4252678 said:
I agree. I don't understand why MJ fans keep contacting or tagging him on "Twitter" especially. It's not helping anything. We don't need to keep him in the loop about anything regarding discrepancies or inconsistencies in regards to his mockumentary.

That's just giving him more ammo and reasons to make adjustments to LN.

Please stop tagging and contacting him.

Fans aren't going to change his mind anyway. Dan thinks MJ is guilty as hell and nothing any of us say can change that.
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I agree that fans should not be contacting Dan Reed. However, I believe that Reed KNOWS Michael is innocent, he just doesn’t give a damn.
 
Mikky Dee said:
I've been wondering if he is associated with NAMBLA in some way....or at the very least he has directed the narrative along NAMBLA lines and I have no idea why. This talk of James and Wade being "in love" with Michael; of it being a "real relationship", as though they were dating; referring to the abuse as "having sex", almost as though it's being normalised; talking about it being a "pleasurable" experience. All of that is very, very SICK, in my opinion and makes me wonder about Reed's own background and past.
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That bothered me too. Referring to it as sex and saying he was his lover (I believe prompted by Dan?)... it just didn't sit right. I'm not a psychologist and know little about child sexual abuse but do victims really talk this way? I know rape survivors don't refer to their rape as having sex unless they say something like "he forced me to perform oral sex". There seems to be no force talked about, no coercion, just that they had various kinds of sex. Again I don't know a lot about sexual abuse but it just doesn't sit right with me. It was kind of romanticised. I'd be really interested to hear from someone who knows about child sexual abuse.

Also what wasn't mentioned was any kind of effect the abuse had on them as children. No hypervigilence, no grades dropping at school, no becoming withdrawn etc. Neither of them suffered any kind of negative effects from it? Again, it was romanticised. It was a relationship. They were infatuated with each other. Pretty gross that narrative.
 
L.T.D said:
Guys I have a feeling it's happening, the tide is turning. The Sun and The Mirror post about it, and now I'm seeing pages on Instagram completely unrelated to Michael posting about the lies. Interest in it is building I can feel it!
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It was always going to in my opinion we just had to ride it out.
 
I've touched on trying to see what I could find on Dan Reed but I could not find anything aside from his film work.. It is very hard to believe with his narccistic, @$$ hole banter, along with his manipulitive and degrading word play - that he would not have had any legal trouble or negitive things stated about him through his career..

He is a first class pr!(k even if I exclude the concept of MJ out of the equation.. And the way he talks about sex abuse is not from a person that has empathy for pain yet he speaks like he sure knows a lot about mentality of an abuse victim.. I find that interesting..

Who has NO empathy with a lot of knowlege of a subject? (I am not trying to claim he's done wrong himself) but GENERALLY are sociopaths that have commited crimes.

And I thought this way before I heard him say that he makes documentaries that '..turn me on'... Yes, I am aware that it could very well mean 'high interest' and not sexually, but when I consider the content of his 2 biggest documentaries, what he says, how he says it... It's eyebrow raising to say the least.

I would be curious to know his criminal record!!
 
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I have another question. Updating my article about the facts cause going to send to our media. I haven't seen the movie (makes me sick) so I am confused about what was in it and what did they say in interviews.

Did Safechuck said in the movie that he realized he was raped when saw Robson filling the lawsuit? Where did he or his mother said that in 2005 Safechuck said to her that Michael is a bad person? Was both things in the movie?
 
I wouldnt be surprised if Reed was connected to MjFacts or some other Mj hate group. I bet if the FBI investigated him they would find something.
 
Spike J;4252606 said:
About Janet, Yes, she didn't give hbo a performance nor she gave the channel an exclusive interview as the other inductees of the RHOF. Her motive absolutely has to do about the LN fiasco. I thought it was a badass move and she even mentioned her brothers being inducted in 1997. It was exactly what she had to do: Get her award and pay dust to the channel.


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I think the doc did have something to do with it.
It was said through people who knew her circle that Janet would perform and everyone found out last minute that she was not performing.
It was also supposed to be a requirement that the inductees give an interview yet some bitter journalists who trashed her before was mad because she refused to do interviews.

I’m happy she didn’t say anything because the news of James getting caught in his lies about the train station and Wade’s Grand Canyon story would’ve been pushed aside for her comment.
An example is when the fans found out about Joy liking Michael pictures after Wade came out but Streisand’s comments pushed that information to the side.
 
somewhereinthedark said:
Reed KNOWS these two are lying. He is not innocent in this scam. He is very much involved and definitely complicit.
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He was/is the "gun for hire" from some (pervert) Hollywood moguls to finally destroy the black still so sucessful MJ and his Legecy (maybe to make a big step to normalizie sex and relationships with children in the society in giving the impression that it is not something what is bad for the child.)

Robbsaber01 said:
I wouldnt be surprised if Reed was connected to MjFacts or some other Mj hate group. I bet if the FBI investigated him they would find something.
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I don't know if it is Dan Reed but I have the impression since yesterday that it is possible Dian Dimand or Victor G.!
Its sad that we don't seam to have some good hackers in The MJ Fan Community to find something like this ( Who are the people behind MJfacts?) out as a important part of the puzzle.
 
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"Debunking Leving Neverland ' Lie By Lie' - Lie #4 "Sex at the Train Station" from "The Michael Jackson Innocent Project"
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Share it!!!
 
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ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
He was/is the "gun for hire" from some (pervert) Hollywood moguls to finally destroy the black still so sucessful MJ and his Legecy (maybe to make a big step to normalizie sex and relationships with children in the society in giving the impression that it is not something what is


I don't know if it is Dan Reed but I have the impression since yesterday that it is possible Dian Dimand or Victor G.!
Its sad that we don't seam to have some good hackers in The MJ Fan Community to find something like this ( Who are the people behinf MJfacts?) out as a important part of the puzzle.
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it was posted ages back that a woman that is or was involved with mjfacts commented on the book about mj by convicted abuser tom o'carrol that hes trying to sell again on amazon. She said his real name instead of pen name and said it takes one to know one! So what does that tell you!
 


this is the full interview on british tv where the host reads the full estate statement to them.
 
L.T.D said:
Guys I have a feeling it's happening, the tide is turning. The Sun and The Mirror post about it, and now I'm seeing pages on Instagram completely unrelated to Michael posting about the lies. Interest in it is building I can feel it!
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I really hope so but won't get my hopes up just yet. I would like to see one of the more non tabloid sources pick it up. These are the same sources that always fabricate the worst stories. People already reading that trash, their minds have been poisoned long ago and probably won't believe these new stories. Actual tabloid readers and believers are simple folks anyway.

I want a CNN to discuss it, NBC, ABC News, even Foxnews. I want to hear about radio station DJ's starting to mention these facts. Really hope we're gonna see hear that eventually and I hope this year still holds some real bad news for these two fake victims.
 
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KOPV said:
DON'T contact dan Reed for any f**** reason... I am not the type to be this blunt but STOP that is f*** DUMB sorry!

He KNOWS they are lying, whoever is doing this is just giving him more of an idea what to excuse/coverup/and hide from..

Think of him as the new 'Tom Sneddon' in ways!


Please think through these things..
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Exactly. Fans are just giving him attention and ammunition by doing that.
 
ManBehindTheMirrOr - Dona said:
"Debunking Leving Neverland ' Lie By Lie' - Lie #4 "Sex at the Train Station" from "The Michael Jackson Innocent Project"
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Share it!!!
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I shared this on another website and one of the main MJ haters said "Safechuck is likely just mixing up his memory of an incident of abuse with another memory of being there at at later date".
 
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He cant have created a memory from been there at a later date as the train station didnt excist during the time he visited the ranch?
 
Thanks smoothgangsta


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so funny that wade and james never gave interviews alone but only together. otherwise the risk was too high to tell contrary stories.

also funny that dan greed AS THE DIRECTOR is always on the road telling people the craziest stories. even that he is on the photoshots. lol. as if he was a star.

even funnier that james and wade now stopped giving interviews.

curious if they are satisfied now with the whole debunked movie. and if they found peace now with themselves.

also want to know if they get the money they expeced or if it didnt help them financially.

hope they will get sued SOON! and die sad.
 
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elusive moonwalker said:
He cant have created a memory from been there at a later date as the train station didnt excist during the time he visited the ranch?
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It seems odd that he would mention the train station if he was never there. We don't really know the last time he visited Neverland do we?
 
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